| jrwren | signal is pretty cool. | 01:38 |
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| Scary_Guy | jrwren, yeah but it's linked to the play store, which I don't have and won't support. fuck google/alphabet | 04:54 |
| jrwren | you can't get signal outside of play store? really? huh. | 12:55 |
| Scary_Guy | Yeah, people tried to get it on F-Droid and pissed Moxie off. Here's a prety good rundown https://f-droid.org/forums/topic/redphone-and-textsecure/ | 14:03 |
| Scary_Guy | Silence/SMSSecure is a fork of Singal/TextSecure before they required play services and they just kind of went their own way. Now Singal doesn't even use SMS AFAIK | 14:06 |
| Scary_Guy | I get that, but everyone I talk to uses SMS so I need somthing that everyone can use. The key system is annoying but better than nothing | 14:07 |
| jrwren | well, that is the difficulty of security right? | 14:15 |
| jrwren | the lowest common denominator is insecure | 14:16 |
| Scary_Guy | how so? I always thought security through obscurity wasn't really secure either | 14:17 |
| Scary_Guy | as far as SMS goes it's insecure by design though | 14:18 |
| jrwren | you said you need something that everyone can use. | 14:23 |
| jrwren | you defined LCD. I pointed that out. | 14:23 |
| jrwren | given that requirement, you will always use something insecure. | 14:23 |
| Scary_Guy | I suppose, unless the phone companies implement better standards for SMS | 14:24 |
| Scary_Guy | https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/11493/how-hard-is-it-to-intercept-sms-two-factor-authentication | 14:24 |
| Scary_Guy | my big thing is I don't want to rely on the phone company for security either though since they have access to everything | 14:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | anyone happen to know of a non-crap free oracle client? 0xDBE was nice but isn't free anymore, and SQLDeveloper is kind of... well, I don't care for it. | 14:29 |
| jrwren | ColonelPanic001: I used to compile perl bindings and use bash and a perl script for my oracle queries. Not joking. | 14:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | nah, that's not unreasonably really, considering | 14:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ | 14:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | this looks nice, and the betas I used were very nice, but not free, and I don't think I'd have an easy time getting my boss to pay for it, so meh | 14:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I mean, SQLDeveloper works well enough that it's not like I don't have a client, it's just... ugh | 14:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | stupid ethics. It's free for students and teachers. I have a .edu email, but I'm neither of those. | 14:33 |
| _stink_ | i ended up just using sqlplus | 14:33 |
| _stink_ | but i know you like an IDE | 14:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | why the hell can something as common as oracle have such shit for clients? | 14:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I would have thought it'd at least have something like MySQL Workbench or something | 14:34 |
| widox | ColonelPanic001: haha, Oracle tools suck all around | 14:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | they do :\ | 14:37 |
| widox | I use sqldev / sqlplus | 14:37 |
| widox | sqldev freezes up at least once per day | 14:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | every 6 months or so I do this cycle of acceptance and eventually coming back to "well maybe if I just ask around again someone found something" | 14:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | so sometime in the fall expect this again :\ | 14:38 |
| widox | :) | 14:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | fwiw Datagrip there, I liked. | 14:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | just not $200 liked | 14:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | if it were that or nothing I'd ask my boss about it, but meh | 14:38 |
| widox | ColonelPanic001: ah, someone on my team was using that for a bit (maybe it was a trial?) and it seemed pretty interesting | 14:39 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, I just used the trial | 14:39 |
| widox | didn't realize it was $200 though | 14:39 |
| ColonelPanic001 | it was called 0xDBE then | 14:39 |
| ColonelPanic001 | and yeah, I liked it | 14:39 |
| ColonelPanic001 | still bloaty crappy java, but nice | 14:40 |
| widox | ColonelPanic001: not GUI, but have you tried sqlcl? http://www.thatjeffsmith.com/archive/2016/04/new-sqlcl-available-for-download/ | 14:42 |
| widox | supposed to be a more user friendly sqlplus | 14:43 |
| ColonelPanic001 | never heard about it, I'll poke at that | 14:43 |
| ColonelPanic001 | thank you | 14:43 |
| widox | ColonelPanic001: yw. lmk if you try it, I haven't gotten around to it yet | 14:46 |
| ColonelPanic001 | sure thing | 14:46 |
| ColonelPanic001 | it's not bad | 19:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I am a noob with oracle, but in as much as it is something I can do "sql me@PROD" and then just do "select * from things;", nice | 19:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | still playing around a little though | 19:16 |
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