[01:38] signal is pretty cool. [04:54] jrwren, yeah but it's linked to the play store, which I don't have and won't support. fuck google/alphabet [12:55] you can't get signal outside of play store? really? huh. [14:03] Yeah, people tried to get it on F-Droid and pissed Moxie off. Here's a prety good rundown https://f-droid.org/forums/topic/redphone-and-textsecure/ [14:06] Silence/SMSSecure is a fork of Singal/TextSecure before they required play services and they just kind of went their own way. Now Singal doesn't even use SMS AFAIK [14:07] I get that, but everyone I talk to uses SMS so I need somthing that everyone can use. The key system is annoying but better than nothing [14:15] well, that is the difficulty of security right? [14:16] the lowest common denominator is insecure [14:17] how so? I always thought security through obscurity wasn't really secure either [14:18] as far as SMS goes it's insecure by design though [14:23] you said you need something that everyone can use. [14:23] you defined LCD. I pointed that out. [14:23] given that requirement, you will always use something insecure. [14:24] I suppose, unless the phone companies implement better standards for SMS [14:24] https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/11493/how-hard-is-it-to-intercept-sms-two-factor-authentication [14:25] my big thing is I don't want to rely on the phone company for security either though since they have access to everything [14:29] anyone happen to know of a non-crap free oracle client? 0xDBE was nice but isn't free anymore, and SQLDeveloper is kind of... well, I don't care for it. [14:30] ColonelPanic001: I used to compile perl bindings and use bash and a perl script for my oracle queries. Not joking. [14:30] nah, that's not unreasonably really, considering [14:31] https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ [14:31] this looks nice, and the betas I used were very nice, but not free, and I don't think I'd have an easy time getting my boss to pay for it, so meh [14:32] I mean, SQLDeveloper works well enough that it's not like I don't have a client, it's just... ugh [14:33] stupid ethics. It's free for students and teachers. I have a .edu email, but I'm neither of those. [14:33] <_stink_> i ended up just using sqlplus [14:33] <_stink_> but i know you like an IDE [14:33] why the hell can something as common as oracle have such shit for clients? [14:34] I would have thought it'd at least have something like MySQL Workbench or something [14:37] ColonelPanic001: haha, Oracle tools suck all around [14:37] they do :\ [14:37] I use sqldev / sqlplus [14:37] sqldev freezes up at least once per day [14:38] every 6 months or so I do this cycle of acceptance and eventually coming back to "well maybe if I just ask around again someone found something" [14:38] so sometime in the fall expect this again :\ [14:38] :) [14:38] fwiw Datagrip there, I liked. [14:38] just not $200 liked [14:38] if it were that or nothing I'd ask my boss about it, but meh [14:39] ColonelPanic001: ah, someone on my team was using that for a bit (maybe it was a trial?) and it seemed pretty interesting [14:39] yeah, I just used the trial [14:39] didn't realize it was $200 though [14:39] it was called 0xDBE then [14:39] and yeah, I liked it [14:40] still bloaty crappy java, but nice [14:42] ColonelPanic001: not GUI, but have you tried sqlcl? http://www.thatjeffsmith.com/archive/2016/04/new-sqlcl-available-for-download/ [14:43] supposed to be a more user friendly sqlplus [14:43] never heard about it, I'll poke at that [14:43] thank you [14:46] ColonelPanic001: yw. lmk if you try it, I haven't gotten around to it yet [14:46] sure thing [19:15] it's not bad [19:16] I am a noob with oracle, but in as much as it is something I can do "sql me@PROD" and then just do "select * from things;", nice [19:16] still playing around a little though