[08:50] <Sick_Rimmit> Good Morning friends
[08:50] <lordievader> o/
[08:50] <vip> hi ho
[08:51] <soee> \o
[08:51] <yofel> moin
[10:14] <renee77> hey all
 Hello renee77
 How are you ?
[10:15] <soee> hiho renee77
[10:15] <renee77> I'm strugling 
[10:15] <renee77> lol
[10:17] <renee77> I cant figure out what I am supposed to do with triaging, I know how it is done but not know where I get involved. There a many bugreports saying the are duplicates etc but not assigned or redirected
[10:17]  * clivejo is struggling too
[10:17]  * renee77 hugs@clivejo
[10:17]  * clivejo kicks git
[10:17] <renee77> hehe that is my next question
 Alright renee77
[10:18] <renee77> trying to get partitiomanager in kdevelop
 I am at work right now, but I can help you later this evening
[10:18] <renee77> but git support plugin unchecks everytime
[10:19] <renee77> Tonight not sure it is kingsday but will try to come online if possible, but I will look for you tomorow evening
[10:21] <renee77> For now does anyone know why I cant select git support?
[10:21] <renee77> or do I have to uncheck github provider
[10:22] <renee77> been searching online but not getting to a solution
[10:31]  * renee77 feeling stupid, I think it helps to install git package (made a clean install yesterday *blush*
[10:32] <clivejo> but on the plus side, you'll never make that mistake again :)
[10:33] <renee77> hehe true
[10:35]  * ahoneybun has too much sleep
[10:35]  * clivejo has not enough sleep
[10:35]  * clivejo had nightmares about git
[10:36] <ahoneybun> yakes
[10:37] <renee77> lol  wanna talk about it ;-)
[10:38] <clivejo> The git archive become aware and tried to take over the world
[10:38] <clivejo> and I accidently deleted debian's repo's
[10:38] <clivejo> :O
[10:39] <soee> lol
[10:39] <renee77> ahh but it wanted to have beter clivejo repo's 
[10:39] <renee77> bugless
[10:39] <clivejo> which meant debian was dead and I was the most hated person in the Debian world
[10:40] <renee77> aiiii
[10:42] <clivejo> and LP repo just kept growing and evolving, spawning new branches for emotions and thought
[10:42] <clivejo> craziness all round!
[10:42] <soee> how could this happen ?
[10:43] <clivejo> it cant :P
[10:43] <soee> you cloned repos, changed  remotes  and uploade dto LP ?
[10:43] <clivejo> LOL
[10:43] <clivejo> soee: it was a dream, I was half asleep
[10:43] <soee> ~.~
[10:43] <clivejo> logic and reason dont exist
[10:45] <clivejo> normal people dream about monsters and the undead, I dream about git repo's becoming self aware!
 OK, I just go to find a link for you, which has good info about Bug.
 Here we are, this is Ovidiu, Aaron and I talking about Bug Triage, how it works for Kubuntu, where to go and what to do.
 https://plus.google.com/b/112102796730023795852/events/c256vvlan1utb4hs8li9euomv28
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:18] <yofel> clivejo: I'm pretty sure someday a frustrated sysadmin will attach a neural network to a git repo, then it'll be self-aware
[11:22] <BluesKaj> that's a scary thought 
[11:33] <yofel> IKR
[11:49] <soee> YAAAAAAAAY!
[11:50] <soee> my fav game series ever Tomb Raider and this: Feral Interactive has let the cat out of the bag: Tomb Raider is shipping for Linux today!..
[11:53] <sitter> RIP life
[11:54] <soee> :D
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hi soee, sitter, yofel , a user is aking if the devs are going to "port" kjots to Xenial ?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> aking-asking 
[12:27] <soee> is it part of KDE apps 
[12:27] <soee> ?
[12:29] <soee> !package kjots
[12:29] <soee> !package kjot
[12:30] <soee> !xenial kjot
[12:30] <yofel> !info kjots xenial
[12:30] <yofel> !info kjots trusty
[12:30] <yofel> ah, now I remember
[12:31] <yofel> BluesKaj: no, that's one of the applications that the kdepim developers killed during the kf5 porting (at least for now)
[12:46] <tsdgeos> yofel: http://download.kde.org/stable/kjots/
[12:47] <yofel> ah, so it's back, thanks
[13:21] <BluesKaj> yofel, thanks for your answer, I passed it on.
[13:22] <yofel> yw. The 'no' for xenial stands even with there being a 5.0.1 release
[13:23]  * yofel wonders if one could do that with snappy..
[14:42]  * genii makes more coffee
[18:37] <ronnoc> Hi guys this should definitely be posted to the Wire - esp. since there's been no activity since January ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jsZ3xw0lck&feature=youtu.be 
[18:37]  * clivejo rolls eyes
[18:37] <clivejo> thats a beta release
[18:38] <clivejo> !info plasma-desktop
[18:38] <clivejo> !info plasma-desktop xenial
[18:38] <clivejo> we shipped 5.5.5 not 5.5.4
[18:38] <clivejo> and apps 15.12.3 instead of 15.12.1
[18:44] <ronnoc> so...maybe post with an asterisked clarification?
[18:45] <clivejo> or review the released version :/
[18:46] <ronnoc> fair enough. just don't shoot the messenger ;)
[18:46] <clivejo> I wouldnt shoot you :P
[18:47] <clivejo> and the trout is reserved for soee_
[18:48] <mamarley> clivejo: Here's a herring.  🐟  You can use that instead. :)
[18:52] <clivejo> yofel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY1bFbGbQDg 6mins in
[18:52] <clivejo> Device Manager worked in Virtual Box, but not on actual hardware
[18:53] <clivejo> well 5.38 onwards
[18:54] <clivejo> can anyone confirm that?
[18:56] <ronnoc> lol
[19:23]  * soee installs Tomb Raider on steam ... :)
[19:24] <clivejo> soee: are you on kubuntu or neon?
[19:25] <soee> clivejo: kubuntu 
[19:25]  * clivejo wonders if the device manager is working in Neon
[19:26] <soee> device ?
[19:27] <clivejo> settings > device manager
[19:27] <clivejo> allows you to install 3rd party drivers for video etc
[19:27] <clivejo> hasnt worked in a while
 /me uses NVIDIA Cards so might have issues with ath
 *that
[19:32] <clivejo> Aaron do you know what its called?
[19:32] <clivejo> I know the settings is called KCM
 Driver Manager?
[19:32] <clivejo> yup
[19:32] <clivejo> like what package installs it
[19:32] <clivejo> also who runs the bot here?
 we used to use Jockey till shadeshalyer made his own
 the IRC one?
[19:33] <clivejo> needs to be updated to make xenial current
[19:33] <clivejo> and dev aka yak +1
 no clue about the package name
[19:36] <soee> so driver or device manager ... ?
 Driver Manager I believe
 you can still use "jockey" I think when using krunner
[19:38] <clivejo> ah found it kcmshell5 kcm_driver_manager
[19:38] <soee> kubuntu-driver-manager ?
 maybe
[19:38] <soee> !package kubuntu-driver-manager
[19:38] <soee> !package kubuntu-driver-manager xenial
[19:38] <clivejo> !info package
[19:39] <soee> !info kubuntu-driver-manager xenial
[19:39] <clivejo> Bug 1530523
 I think I'm hitting that too
[19:39] <genii> Here also
[19:39] <clivejo> +1
 never bothered to open it since 15.10
 /me confirms
[19:40] <clivejo> dont think it worked in 15.10 either
[19:40] <genii> It's stalling in both Wily and Xenial for me
 /me hates HexChat
 on Windows anyway
[19:41] <clivejo> dont use windows :P
[19:41]  * clivejo shakes head
 yea
 whatever
[19:42] <soee> well in the end it allows to install 2 things: microcode for cpu and gpu driver and both can be installed manually :)
[19:42] <clivejo> LOL
[19:42] <clivejo> yeah, but why isnt it installing the 2 things mr soee
[19:43] <soee> because it i scollecting data of whoel world :D it is spy
 damn it synergy is not passing my mouse input...
[19:51]  * clivejo wonders why it only has a s390x for xenial
[19:52] <mamarley> clivejo: Probably because the other arches were copied from Wily and it was never uploaded directly to Xenial.
[19:53] <clivejo> Ive thrown a 16.04version rebuild at LP
[19:53] <clivejo> maybe some of the toolchain has been updated from the binary was built?
[19:54] <clivejo> its building ok :/
[19:54] <clivejo> ok lets install the rebuild
[19:57] <clivejo> nope, still failing
[19:57] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: can I help with anyting,
[19:57] <sick_rimmit> no idea what I am doing
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> but lets not let that get in the way :-)
[19:58] <clivejo> Im trying to figure out why the device manager isnt working
[20:00] <clivejo> source code seems to be here - http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch/garg/kcm-driver-manager.git
[20:00] <clivejo> would you have a look rick
[20:03] <sick_rimmit> sure
[20:03] <clivejo> can you help me setup kdevelop?
[20:05] <sick_rimmit> Yep
[20:05] <sick_rimmit> Installed.
[20:05] <sick_rimmit> ?
[20:05] <clivejo> it will be in a sec
[20:06] <sick_rimmit> You'll need the Git plugin enabled.. it is in settings >  configure kdevelop > plugins
[20:06] <sick_rimmit> Check Git to turn it on
[20:07] <clivejo> looks like its on
[20:07] <sick_rimmit> let me know when your ready and I can talk you through pulling the kcm-driver-code
[20:07] <clivejo> ok lets try
[20:08] <sick_rimmit> project > fetch project
[20:08] <sick_rimmit> Change cvs from SVN to Git
[20:08] <sick_rimmit> create a folder say kcm-driver-mngr
[20:08] <sick_rimmit> then paste
[20:09] <sick_rimmit> git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/garg/kcm-driver-manager.git
[20:09] <sick_rimmit> in the source box
[20:09] <sick_rimmit> hit Get
[20:11] <clivejo> how do I know its done it?
[20:11] <sick_rimmit> The next button with go Blue
[20:11] <sick_rimmit> then you click it
[20:12] <clivejo> oh ok
[20:12] <clivejo> sitting waiting on nothing!
[20:12] <sick_rimmit> patience
[20:12] <sick_rimmit> If it let you click Get then it's all goof
[20:12] <sick_rimmit> s/goof/good/
[20:12] <clivejo> yeah
[20:13] <clivejo> but I kinda expected something to happen
[20:13] <clivejo> *ping* foods done
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> Cool
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> see in the white window the git call and then exit 0
[20:14] <sick_rimmit> Kdevelop hands off to git, and then has to wait for git to clone and return a status
[20:14] <sick_rimmit> That used to catch me out, I would think it had crashed
[20:14] <sick_rimmit> could probably benefit from a progress bar
[20:15] <sick_rimmit> So now you have the project listed with Master in grey next to it.
[20:15] <sick_rimmit> this is the branch currently checked out
[20:15] <clivejo> ok Im in the next sreen
[20:15] <clivejo> yeah, can see the project
[20:15] <clivejo> I go into src?
[20:15] <sick_rimmit> Just keep clicking next until the end
[20:15] <sick_rimmit> the default project managers are fine
[20:16] <clivejo> ok
[20:16] <cyphermox> debfx: hey, do you remember https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/739943 ?
[20:16] <clivejo> back to the green start screen
[20:16] <cyphermox> (setting the original /etc/newt/palette rather than /etc/newt/palette.ubuntu)
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> OK, so now you have a kcm-driver-manager session ?
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> can you click that ?
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> !image
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> !imgur
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> !paste
[20:17] <cyphermox> debfx: I'm asking only because I was surprised to see it changed by kubuntu-settings on my system, and wondered if it still made sense to make that change (ie. if it really makes a difference for the kubuntu colors, that's a good reason)
[20:17] <clivejo> I dont see a session
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> some thing like this
[20:19] <sick_rimmit> http://imgur.com/yO2Iq7s
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> We can dive into BBB if it gets tricky, and share screen
[20:20] <clivejo> I think I have that now
[20:21] <sick_rimmit> OK Cool
[20:21] <sick_rimmit> So now the question is what is or is not the beahviour you were expecting
[20:21] <debfx> cyphermox: no, that was 5 years ago :P
[20:21] <cyphermox> debfx: I understand ;)
[20:21] <clivejo> I can see main.cpp
[20:21] <clivejo> K_PLUGIN_FACTORY(KcmDriverFactory,
[20:21] <clivejo>                  registerPlugin<Module>("kcm-driver-manager");)
[20:22] <debfx> cyphermox: anyway I'm no longer involved in kubuntu development so you have to discuss that with current kubuntu-devs
[20:22] <cyphermox> debfx: mmkay
[20:22]  * sick_rimmit grabs monacle and heads off to main.cpp
[20:24] <sick_rimmit> Hmmm.
[20:24]  * sick_rimmit Wonders what the status of clivejo: libqapt installation is
[20:25] <clivejo> huh?
[20:25] <sick_rimmit> standard or clivejo: packaged 
[20:25] <clivejo> I dont understand the question!
[20:25] <sick_rimmit> module.h
[20:25] <sick_rimmit> sets up 3 namespace deps
[20:25] <sick_rimmit> one of which is Qapt
[20:26] <clivejo> yeah, that would be to do that installation of the drivers
[20:26] <sick_rimmit> completely guessing here, as I don't know what kcm is doing or not doing
[20:27] <clivejo> This probes the system for hardware that could benefit from propriety software and installs it
[20:27] <clivejo> ie NVidia grpahics driver
[20:27] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes, replaces jockey
[20:27] <clivejo> I think its a front end to something
[20:27] <sick_rimmit> the problem with it is ?
[20:28] <sick_rimmit> libqapt will be the install / search cache
[20:28] <sick_rimmit> I reckon
[20:28] <clivejo> problem is Bug 1530523
[20:28] <sick_rimmit> Oh ah right
[20:30] <sick_rimmit> Can you reproduce it on your machine ?
[20:30] <sick_rimmit> I am on 15.10 here right now
[20:30] <clivejo> yes
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> OK..
[20:31] <clivejo> I think it does same on 15.10
[20:31] <clivejo> can you try?
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> Nope works for me
[20:31] <clivejo> hummm
[20:31] <clivejo> so whats changed!
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> try calling it from the command line, see what output you get
[20:32] <clivejo> nothing
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> hmmm 
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> did your new builds of libqapt make it into Xenial, the one for muon ?
[20:32] <clivejo> yes
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> hmmm not that then
[20:32] <sick_rimmit> Odds are that kcm is using libqapt in a similar way to muon
[20:33] <sick_rimmit> try calling it again but this time with strace
[20:33] <sick_rimmit> strace kcm-manager or whatever its called
[20:33] <clivejo> the only change to libqapt was to make it emmit signals
[20:33] <sick_rimmit> that would fit the frame
[20:33] <sick_rimmit> I mean the previous version
[20:34] <sick_rimmit> where it didn't emit them
[20:34] <clivejo> thats why muon was crashing
[20:34] <sick_rimmit> If kcm has a slot awaiting a signal then et voila! stuck code
[20:34] <sick_rimmit> ok don;t worry too much about that
[20:34] <sick_rimmit> can you get strace to run kcm
[20:37] <clivejo> it runs and gets stuck
[20:37] <clivejo> strace keeps displaying this over and over
[20:37] <clivejo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16088409/
[20:39]  * sick_rimmit grabs monacle
[20:40] <sick_rimmit> If you sit for a few seconds hands off machine does it continue output
[20:41] <clivejo> yes
[20:41] <sick_rimmit> strace is a Stack trace utility so it picks up mouse, kdb, everything really
[20:41] <clivejo> just sits there doing that
[20:41] <clivejo> until I close the window
[20:41] <sick_rimmit> Ok so it is stuck in a loop doing something
[20:42] <sick_rimmit> question is what ?
[20:42] <sick_rimmit> so run it again without strace then ps uax to find its process id
[20:42] <clivejo> was hoping you could answer that
[20:42] <sick_rimmit> then lets try lsof 
[20:42]  * sick_rimmit needs man pages
[20:43] <sick_rimmit> ah yes
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> lsof -p <pid>
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> that will tell us what it is doing
[20:47] <clivejo> looks like it refreshed my package list
[20:47] <clivejo> dev/urandom
[20:47] <clivejo> /tmp/qapt-sock-3bf25b14c38b41b3a3540f48d3546b04
[20:49] <sick_rimmit> Alright that's progress
[20:50] <clivejo> it is?
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> So it's waiting on the qapt socket
[20:50] <clivejo> what does that mean?
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> it is an interprocess communication
[20:51] <clivejo> ah
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> kcm -> qapt
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> so now it is qapt that is doing something and kcm is awaiting it
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> so ps uax qapt
[20:52] <sick_rimmit> and lsof again
[20:52] <sick_rimmit> what is qapt doing ?
[20:52] <clivejo> nothing
[20:53] <clivejo> its not running
[20:53] <sick_rimmit> Ah ok, because it's a library
[20:53]  * sick_rimmit thinking....
[21:02]  * sick_rimmit running kcm here
[21:03] <clivejo> what version of libqapt are you running in wily?
[21:03] <sick_rimmit> Ah the one I compiled
[21:03] <sick_rimmit> good point
[21:06] <sick_rimmit> what is the comand to invoke kcm
[21:08] <clivejo> kcmshell5 kcm_driver_manager
[21:08] <clivejo> did you install libqapt globally?
[21:09] <clivejo> !info libqapt3 wily
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> Ah brill 
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> Ah ah
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> !paste
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16088695/
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Compare that with what you got
[21:12] <clivejo> Ill have to install it again!
[21:12] <clivejo> just a sec
[21:17]  * soee_ 50 minutes
[21:17] <clivejo> ok I dont have /var/cache/apt-xapian-index/index.1/postlist.DB
[21:18] <clivejo> I have the tmp/qapt-sock
[21:19] <clivejo> but not the anon_inode
[21:19] <clivejo> kcmshell5 22846 clivejo   64u     unix 0x0000000000000000      0t0   575670 type=STREAM
[21:19] <clivejo> I have that instead
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> hmmm apt-xapian installed ?
[21:24] <sick_rimmit> dpkg --get-selections | grep apt-xapian
[21:24] <sick_rimmit> wondering if it is a missing dependency
[21:29] <clivejo> !info apt-xapian
[21:30] <clivejo> !info apt-xapian-index
[21:30] <clivejo> !info apt-xapian-index xenial
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> Ah I wonder if it brought it in for me when I did build-dep for Muojn
[21:31] <clivejo> valorie mentioned she had xapian when she installed muon
[21:32] <clivejo> issues
[21:32] <sick_rimmit> xapian seems to be the search library / indexer for apt
[21:32] <clivejo> yeah
[21:32] <sick_rimmit> I read this today on J Thomas's blog
[21:32] <clivejo> tends to just work
[21:33] <sick_rimmit> Well..
[21:33] <sick_rimmit> what we do know is that in your instance. kcmshell is blocked by a non returning socket /var/qapt
[21:34] <sick_rimmit> I am afraid at this point I am out of my depth
[21:34] <clivejo> me too
[21:34] <valorie> hmmm, apt-cache policy tells me I have it installed
[21:34] <clivejo> I wonder would Carlo know?
[21:34] <sick_rimmit> but I reckon pasting all this info to the LP Bug will really help the next person
[21:34] <clivejo> Rick, mind doing that?
[21:34] <clivejo> Im about ready for bed!
[21:35] <sick_rimmit> Can I get a paste of your lsof output
[21:36] <clivejo> :( Ive shut it all down
[21:36] <clivejo> does yours show a list of drivers you can install?
[21:41] <sick_rimmit> Bug updated :-D
[21:41] <sick_rimmit> I'm going to wrap it up
[21:41] <sick_rimmit> nite all
[22:25] <sick_rimmit> Hey I am back on my Ubuntu tablet using chatter client, pretty cool
[22:26] <sick_rimmit> Hey Carlo
[22:27] <sick_rimmit> I have been doing some bug triage on muon, and have created a local feature branch, made a few tiny tiny mods