[06:12] <Kilos> morning anton_may dlPhreak paddatrapper superfly inetpro theblazehen and other lurkers
[06:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:12] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[06:13] <Kilos> holy moly
[06:13] <Kilos> you got it right
[06:13]  * inetpro always gets it right
[06:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:14] <Kilos> do you have day off today?
[06:16] <mazal> Morning oom Kilos , inetpro
[06:16] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:18] <mazal> Has the ubuntu-za membership always been just 1 year ?
[06:18] <mazal> See mine expired again
[06:18] <Kilos> yes
[06:19] <mazal> hmm...could have sworn it was longer
[06:21] <superfly> Kilos: you're up way too early on a public holiday 
[06:21] <Kilos> oops sorry
[06:22] <mazal> btw oom , would have been here last night , but power went off :(
[06:22] <Kilos> ai!
[06:22] <mazal> Morning superfly
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: you're supposed to sleep in. 
[06:22] <superfly> Hi mazal, so are you. Unless you have kids. 
[06:22] <Kilos> nature calls reularly in the mornings superfly 
[06:23] <Kilos> im a creature of habit , thats why i battle when things change
[06:23] <superfly> Kilos: I know, but you can still go back to bed after making a wee
[06:23] <Kilos> like using unity after getting used to kde
[06:24] <Kilos> everything is on the wrong side
[06:24] <Kilos> nono breakfast is also a same time thing
[06:24] <Kilos> oh inetpro 
[06:24] <mazal> superfly, I was in bed before 9pm already. So was up at 1:30 and again at 5:30 :P
[06:25] <mazal> Sponsored by power failure
[06:25] <Kilos> you went missing last night so you are next months chair
[06:25] <superfly> mazal: you're like a little kid! 
[06:25] <Kilos> haha
[06:25] <Kilos> he is ill superfly 
[06:25] <Kilos> compulsive buyers syndrome
[06:25] <mazal> issie !
[06:26] <Kilos> haha
[06:26] <mazal> I didn't buy anything yesterday
[06:26] <Kilos> thats why you are ill
[06:26] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[06:26] <mazal> If I wasn't on stand-by today a little "accident" might have happened today though
[06:27] <pavlushka> yes Kilos , how are you?
[06:27] <Kilos> good ty and you
[06:27] <Kilos> ahaha
[06:47] <Kilos> inetpro did you find out why TZ is always upgrading
[06:47] <Kilos> must be security stuffs
[06:56] <inetpro> Kilos: TZ changes happen because of DST changes
[06:56] <inetpro> oh and I didn't agree to chair anything
[06:56] <Kilos> oh ok then
[06:57] <Kilos> we asked you and you didnt say you couldnt so we took that as accepting
[06:57] <Kilos> chesedo has an exm
[06:57] <Kilos> exam
[06:58] <inetpro> I gave up when I kept getting disconnected
[06:58] <Kilos> we fogrive you
[06:58] <Kilos> forgive
[06:59] <Kilos> and to show we werent upset we even handed the chair back to you
[06:59]  * inetpro will read the minutes one day when there's nothing else to do
[06:59] <Kilos> lol
[06:59] <Kilos> you at work?
[06:59]  * inetpro is always at work
[06:59] <Kilos> nonono man
[06:59] <Kilos> real work
[07:00] <Kilos> away from home at office work
[07:02] <inetpro> what's the difference?
[07:02] <Kilos> well 
[07:02] <Kilos> at office tea times are scheduled
[07:02] <Kilos> home work is anytime is coffee time
[07:15] <mazal> Ugh , latency is killing me :(
[07:16] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[07:16] <Kilos> hows theblazehen today
[07:16] <mazal> Lo theblazehen
[07:17] <theblazehen> hey mazal. 475 ms rtt to you from me it seems. Ouch
[07:17] <mazal> When I do installs or updates in cli there's about 3 to 4 seconds delay before something start to happen. Mobile is crap here
[07:18] <mazal> Tried some mc with friends , sompletely unplayable
[07:19] <Kilos> i thought your adsl was fixed
[07:19] <mazal> I cancelled it mos oom , they fixed it 1 moths after I put cancellation in , then the very next day cancellations department woke up and did the cancellation
[07:20] <Kilos> lol
[07:20] <mazal> Too many cable issues here and too long downtime. Cable not an option anymore
[07:21] <mazal> Ever sinve they retrenched the people who can work the work simply don't get done
[07:21] <mazal> since*
[07:22]  * mazal ponders
[07:23] <Kilos> i wonder what were the pros issues last night
[07:23] <mazal> With mc a bust I should prob go abuse the 360
[07:23] <Kilos> also was very unstable connection
[07:25] <mazal> Between telscum and escum I am lucky if I get through just 1 day without issues
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[07:38] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos
[08:15] <Kilos> mornin kmf 
[08:15] <kmf> morning Kilos
[08:23] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[08:23] <Kilos> howdy toad killer
[08:24] <paddatrapper> How you doing Kilos?
[08:24] <Kilos> well ty lad , and you?
[08:25] <paddatrapper> I'm good. Enjoying blobbing for a bit before I need to start getting stuff done
[08:25] <Kilos> lol
[08:28] <paddatrapper> mazal: I feel your pain - I've had bad Telkom Internet for years that they finally fixed the other day. Turned out to be a corroded connector in the junction box... Been complaining since about 2010 to them
[08:28] <Kilos> ai!
[08:32] <superfly> Hey paddatrapper 
[08:32] <paddatrapper> Hey superfly
[08:32] <superfly> Sup kmf
[08:33] <paddatrapper> How things?
[08:33] <superfly> Can't complain, got to (sort of) sleep in this morning 
[08:34] <paddatrapper> Always nice
[08:34] <nlsthzn> hey all
[08:34] <superfly> Hey nlsthzn 
[08:34] <nlsthzn> superfly, alo, how are you? all well I hope?
[08:34] <superfly> paddatrapper: I'm sure tumbleweed would love to have you on the video team 
[08:35] <superfly> nlsthzn: all good, and yours? 
[08:35] <superfly> nlsthzn: How's baby bear? 
[08:36] <paddatrapper> superfly: yeah thanks. I spoke to him last night - finding quotes for hiring various things sound and video related
[08:36] <superfly> Awesome 
[08:36] <nlsthzn> good enough (despite the oil price trying to wrangle away all the jobs here)... oh and the baby bear is growing into a healthy toddler bear thanks :)
[08:37] <superfly> nlsthzn: yeah, same with the Princess on this side 
[08:37] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[08:37] <paddatrapper> Hey nlsthzn
[08:39] <nlsthzn> glad to hear superfly 
[08:39] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos , paddatrapper 
[08:39] <mazal> Some useless info feedback:
[08:39] <mazal> First gaming testing begun on K 16.04 ( minecraft )
[08:40] <mazal> Did not install oracle java and using build-in open JDK 8
[08:40] <mazal> No issues
[08:40] <mazal> excellent performance and stability
[08:40] <Kilos> good
[08:40] <mazal> The more intensive Steam stuff I plan on starting this afternoon ( telscum and escum permitting )
[08:42] <mazal> Toughest of them all will be BL 2
[08:42] <mazal> Is by far the strongest / biggest game I have that is on Linux
[08:42] <mazal> Maybe I must do it now...hmmmm
[08:42] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <Kilos> decisions decisions
[08:43] <mazal> but....but....I want to finish my railroad in mc :P
[08:43] <Kilos> what  did fly say last night
[08:44] <nlsthzn> mazal, I have had an issue launching planetary annihilation, sound issue... launching steam with some parameters fixes it.  annoying
[08:45] <nlsthzn> don't think the issue is only on 16.04 however
[08:45] <mazal> nlsthzn, never played that before
[08:45] <nlsthzn> it is a kickstarter game that didn't live up to the hype
[08:45] <nlsthzn> which is usual
[08:45] <mazal> ok
[08:46] <nlsthzn> and smite via wine not installing anymore, but that is because of a change to the launcher, not the distro it seems :/
[08:46] <nlsthzn> silly devs :p
[08:46] <nlsthzn> writing software for windows that makes life difficult on linux 
[08:47] <Kilos> ouch
[08:48] <mazal> Ok dumb question for the day: How do I see what filesystem an external is ? Without going to gparted
[08:50] <mazal> oho , steam is not in the repo's anymore , lemme check with synaptic
[08:51] <nlsthzn> steam is in the repo's
[08:51] <superfly> mazal: mount 
[08:51] <mazal> Both synaptic and software centre doesn't show it for me nlsthzn
[08:51] <mazal> ta superfly
[08:51] <nlsthzn> weird... well I always install with apt
[08:52] <nlsthzn> and that worked
[08:52] <mazal> package name just steam ?
[08:52] <superfly> mazal: you need to go to Steam to get it 
[08:53] <mazal> On my way now
[08:53] <mazal> Wonder why they removed it from repo's though
[08:53] <superfly> So many games, so little time. I've been playing TinyKeep recently 
[08:54] <superfly> mazal: I've never found it in the repos
[08:55] <nlsthzn> sudo apt-get install steam
[08:55] <nlsthzn> try it first >.<
[08:55] <nlsthzn> save yourself a lot of headache
[08:55] <mazal> superfly, I did with 14.04
[08:55] <mazal> nlsthzn, copy that
[08:56] <nlsthzn> the new software centre based on the gnome-software will not show many apps... there is a certain file or flag that it needs where it pulls the info from.  not all packages has this.  but synaptic should show it :/
[08:57] <mazal> Interesting , how does apt see it and synaptic not
[08:57]  * nlsthzn installs synaptic to check it out
[08:57] <superfly> I haven't used any software centre thing in years 
[08:57] <superfly> nlsthzn: next time, use "apt" 
[08:58] <mazal> I do when I can't remember the package name
[08:58] <superfly> much nicer than apt-get / apt-cache
[08:58] <nlsthzn> well my synaptic shows it (steam:i386) might be because I have it installed
[08:58] <mazal> The ones I remember I also cli
[08:58] <mazal> Will see what mine shows after install , installing with apt now
[08:58] <nlsthzn> superfly, I have actually been using apt a lot these days... but muscle memory still goes apt-get :p
[08:58] <superfly> mazal: apt search <part of package name>
[08:59] <paddatrapper> Alias it nlsthzn
[08:59] <mazal> installed , let's go see what says synaptic
[08:59] <nlsthzn> :) but both work fine for me.. I always tab-complete from about the second letter of what I am installing so I always have a list
[09:00] <nlsthzn> paddatrapper, that sounds like a sensible thing to do ... but I am lazy
[09:00] <mazal> Yep steam there now
[09:00] <mazal> I wonder what other software I miss that way and think it's not there
[09:00] <paddatrapper> nlsthzn: Lol ja I get that!
[09:01] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:01] <mazal> ugh , 245mb update , sb time
[09:01] <nlsthzn> yup steam is brutal in that regard
[09:07] <mazal> nlsthzn, ever used a controller on Linux ? Would it work ?
[09:08] <nlsthzn> I have a logitech gamepad f510 and it works as expected
[09:08] <mazal> On Winbloze I used a wired 360 controller , prefer it to kb and mouse
[09:08] <nlsthzn> 360 controller will also work
[09:09] <mazal> hmmm......
[09:09] <mazal> This is gonna make trouble
[09:09] <nlsthzn> might need an additional app however
[09:09] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I might buy some more games lol
[09:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:10] <nlsthzn> mazal, I have a crap ton of linux games from humble sales that I am not using as they are double etc... what genre are u interested in and I will send you a key?
[09:10] <mazal> fps , strategy , action adventure , rpg , action rpg
[09:11] <mazal> and some platformers , but not too keen on the platformers
[09:11] <nlsthzn> lol
[09:11] <nlsthzn> so games in general
[09:12] <nlsthzn> well I see that I have a planetary annihilation key extra... pity I can't export this list :
[09:12] <nlsthzn> :/
[09:13] <nlsthzn> what is your fave genre mazal ?
[09:13] <mazal> sjoe
[09:13] <mazal> All of them lol
[09:13] <mazal> I'm a heavy gamer
[09:13] <nlsthzn> then you need many keys
[09:14] <mazal> Ok steam installed , painless and no issues. According to my library I have 11 games that is Linux supported , nice :)
[09:14] <mazal> Now I needs to remember how to install from my backup , haven't done that in more than a year :P
[09:15] <Kilos> ai! die kindera
[09:15] <Kilos> kinders
[09:15] <mazal> Wat oom ?
[09:15] <Kilos> speel speel speel. haal nog geld uit en speel meer
[09:15] <Kilos> ai!
[09:16] <Kilos> ohi EvilDMP you still around
[09:16] <mazal> Hey I am working on Ubuntu's rep here. If I can get gamers over it's more ppl for Ubuntu :)
[09:16] <EvilDMP> hello Kilos 
[09:17] <Kilos> any excuse is better than none mazal 
[09:17] <mazal> issie
[09:17] <Kilos> haha
[09:17] <Kilos> we got sirens screaminghere
[09:18] <Kilos> someone been shot again
[09:21] <mazal> Ok install from backup is running. Gonna start with BL2 since it is a very big strong game and good test
[09:22] <mazal> Ai steam is nice , pitty it's platform is so expensive :(
[09:22] <superfly> mazal: BL2?
[09:22] <mazal> Borderlands 2
[09:22] <superfly> aaahhh
[09:22] <mazal> Know it ?
[09:22] <superfly> mazal: Humble Bundles++
[09:23] <mazal> I mean the hardware is expesive
[09:23] <mazal> expensive*
[09:23] <superfly> know of it, as it were, haven't bought it, haven't played it
[09:23] <mazal> Awesome game. One of my all time favourites. FPS meats RPG
[09:24] <mazal> Have it on PC , PS3 and PS4 :)
[09:26] <paddatrapper> BL2 is great fun. Wish I had more time to play it
[09:29]  * nlsthzn just tried awesomenaughts again... got my backside handed to me >.<
[09:36] <superfly> I tend to play the puzzle games, they're the only ones I have a chance against
[09:46] <inetpro> climagic tip: <Ctrl-w> # Remove the previous word on the command line (before the cursor). This is highly useful when reusing old commands.
[09:54] <superfly> inetpro: I must remember that
[10:01] <nlsthzn> superfly, some puzzle games are ok... but often they just lead to frustration :;
[10:01] <nlsthzn> :p
[10:13] <superfly> nlsthzn: I get more frustration out of the bigger games
[10:13] <nlsthzn> I guess it depends on the game... some can be very frustrating
[10:13] <nlsthzn> but I like indie games :)
[10:15]  * nlsthzn testing obs and streaming to twitch tv
[10:15] <nlsthzn> really working well in 16.04
[10:21] <magespawn> good day all
[10:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[10:29] <Wolfeyes> hey magespawn and bye lol
[10:35] <inetpro> uh oh! 
[10:36] <inetpro> who ran into a power pole again? 
[10:36] <inetpro> power failure here for almost 30 minutes now 
[10:37] <inetpro> oh Kilos, and I am at home 
[10:37] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <inetpro> time to sit back and relax, can't work with no power 
[10:39] <nlsthzn> +1
[10:39] <nlsthzn> can't power without work
[10:55] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[10:55] <Kilos> you missed our meeting last night
[10:56] <Kilos> i go check up on sheep
[11:00] <bushtech> hi Kilos, sorry, bit busy
[11:00] <bushtech> you well?
[11:09] <inetpro> at least power came back again as we sit down for lunch, with no coffee... wonder what happened
[11:10] <inetpro> wb Wolfeyes
[11:11] <Wolfeyes> ty inetpro
[11:11] <bushtech> inetpro: some neighbours chopping cables again?
[11:12] <inetpro> bushtech: with power back so soon? I doubt
[11:13] <bushtech> lol, maybe they cut themselves off as well
[11:13] <inetpro> haha, ja maybe
[11:21]  * inetpro really enjoying 'My Data Manager' to for checking data usage on Android devices
[11:22] <inetpro> so much more useful when you can drill down to week, day or hour
[11:23] <bushtech> inetpro: does it show which apps are sucking data?
[11:23] <inetpro> bushtech: yep
[11:23] <inetpro> bushtech: see https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobidia.android.mdm&hl=en
[11:23] <bushtech> great, will check it out 
[11:23] <bushtech> thanks
[11:24] <inetpro> only thing that needs a bit of a rethink is the shared plan option
[11:25] <inetpro> doesn't really work when you don't have a single data account for multiple devices
[11:25] <inetpro> oh and you can not use that for wifi at all 
[11:25] <inetpro> would be awesome if one could use it for wifi
[11:26] <inetpro> bushtech: I do like the alarm options for wifi
[11:27] <inetpro> you can set three alarms, two for setting your cummalative usage for the month and one for daily usage
[11:28] <inetpro> oh and the alrms for data usage limits are just as nice
[11:30] <inetpro> and there goes our power again 
[11:36] <Kilos> ai!
[11:37] <bushtech> Eish!
[11:54] <inetpro> Kilos, how can I check whether my alternator in the car is charging without a multimeter? 
[12:06] <nlsthzn> inetpro, drive long enough and if the battery is dead you know >.>
[12:06] <kayise> Hello everyone
[12:07] <kayise> Does anyone know where I can get Ubuntu stickers in SA?
[12:07] <Kilos> hi kayise 
[12:07] <Kilos> print your own
[12:07] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:07] <kayise> I'm looking for an ubuntu sticker to cover the apple logo on my machine
[12:07] <Kilos> lol
[12:07] <Kilos> lemme find a link
[12:07] <kayise> yeah
[12:07] <kayise> lol
[12:08] <google> ai!
[12:08] <kayise> i want to make sure people know I'm using Ubuntu not MAC
[12:08] <bushtech> does that make you koogle?
[12:08] <Kilos> Maaz googlr spread ubuntu
[12:08] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[12:08] <Kilos> ai!
[12:09] <Kilos> Maaz google spread ubuntu
[12:09] <Maaz> Kilos: "Home | spreadubuntu" http://spreadubuntu.org/ :: "Ubuntu – Package Search Results -- spread" http://packages.ubuntu.com/spread :: "The Spread Toolkit - Download" http://www.spread.org/download.html :: "Ubuntu Unity Spread for 14.04 - YouTube" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuqn19Fq5i0 :: "Task switching in Ubuntu, and a introduction to 'The Spread ..."
[12:09] <Maaz> https://design.canonical.com/2012/03/task-switching-in-ubuntu-and-a-introduction-to-the-sp…
[12:09] <Kilos> top link kayise 
[12:09] <Kilos> you dhould be able to get something there
[12:10] <Kilos> s/dhould/should
[12:11] <Kilos> maybe someone has stickers from 14.04 release
[12:11] <nlsthzn> it is possible to order stickers from canonical store... they don't cost to much but the shipping costs are high
[12:12] <Kilos> and postage is dicey
[12:12] <Kilos> kayise where are you
[12:14] <kayise> okay thanks for the link
[12:14] <kayise> I think printing is way to go then
[12:14] <Kilos> i think you can download images from there and print your own
[12:14] <Kilos> definiteley the cheapest way imo
[12:16] <kayise> ya i had a look at the ones from canonical store, wasnt sure about shipping. so if you say costs are high, then might as well go with the print route
[12:16] <kayise> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/stickers_tux_10.04_12.04_es.png 
[12:16] <Kilos> where are you kayise maybe someone close has leftovers
[12:17] <kayise> i'm in Joburg
[12:18] <Kilos> if you dont come right with printing ill try get hold of the contact in jozi and let you know
[12:18] <kayise> okay thanks bud
[12:19] <Kilos> you will find me here most of every day
[12:19] <Kilos> you can also hang out here 24/7
[12:19] <Kilos> oh btw how did you find us
[12:20] <Kilos> nlsthzn has maias membership expired?
[12:20] <kayise> do you know if anyone in Cape Town has some stickers left over, because I'll be in CT in May for a weekend
[12:20] <Kilos> the lady im asking about is there
[12:20] <Kilos> superfly have you any?
[12:21] <Kilos> we have many members in CT
[12:21] <superfly> Kilos: I don't really. I was looking for my own the other day and can't find them
[12:21] <Kilos> oh my
[12:22] <Kilos> hopefully maia still has
[12:22] <nlsthzn> Kilos, ubuntu-membership uncle Kilos ?
[12:22] <Kilos> yes nlsthzn 
[12:22] <Kilos> please
[12:22] <nlsthzn> afaik it doesn't ever expire
[12:22] <Kilos> every 2 years
[12:22] <Kilos> and peeps miss the email reminders
[12:23] <Kilos> why arent you showing yours
[12:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:23] <kayise> how i found this channel: 1) first searched in google for "ubuntu stickers south africa" 2) Then this link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-za/2781-ubuntu-trusty-release-party-in-randburg/ came up 3) Then from there I found this link http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/
[12:24] <Kilos> aha
[12:24] <superfly> kayise: impressive
[12:24] <Kilos> this is the ZA LoCo help channel
[12:24] <kayise> @superfly lol
[12:24]  * nlsthzn asked to have his cloak removed after incident... don't want to associate to closely with ubuntu...
[12:24] <Kilos> ok nlsthzn 
[12:25] <Kilos> see superfly our advertising is poor
[12:25] <superfly> Kilos: we have advertising?
[12:25] <kayise> ya i didnt know about this channel and I've using Ubuntu since 2009
[12:25] <Kilos> nope thats why it is so poor
[12:26] <superfly> I'm closing IRC now, I need to concentrate on some hairy code, I'll be back later.
[12:26] <kayise> so what is a LoCo?
[12:26] <Kilos> local community
[12:26] <kayise> ahh okay
[12:27] <Kilos> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[12:28] <kayise> do you guys have meetups and stuff?
[12:28] <kayise> for example anything planned for 16.04 LTS?
[12:28] <Kilos> we try yes but everyone is so busy nowadays
[12:28] <kayise> oh i see
[12:28] <Kilos> hopefully we will have some release parties when the flash disks arrive
[12:30] <kayise> what are the flash disks? also where are they arriving from? Canonical??
[12:30] <Kilos> we have a meeting every month here as well at 8.30 pm on the 4th tuesday of the month
[12:30] <Kilos> yes we order from canonical, they arent supplying dvds anymore
[12:32] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/buy-ubuntu-16-04-usb-official
[12:32] <Kilos> 8g sticks
[12:34] <kayise> oh i see, I must say the branded ubuntu usb stick looks awesome.
[12:35] <Kilos> yeah
[12:36] <Kilos> with luck we will get supplies for each region
[12:36] <Kilos> and maybe some stickers as well
[12:37] <kayise> okay cool, do you know what the ETA on these are? 
[12:38] <Kilos> the biggest time snags come with customs
[12:38] <Kilos> so maybe a month or more
[12:38] <kayise> iesh customs
[12:38] <Kilos> yeah
[12:39] <Kilos> last batch of dvds took weeks to clear
[12:40] <kayise> i think I'll pursue the print option for now, also would be nice to know how printing process works, might come in handy for other future projects.
[12:41] <Kilos> oh kayise join our mailing list and launchpad and then mail the list and ask if anyone in jozi has any stickers left over
[12:41] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org
[12:42] <kayise> cool I've joined the mailing list, thanks
[12:43] <Kilos> you welcome
[12:43] <Kilos> join launchpad as well then you are a ZA member
[12:46] <Kilos> hi Sxuza 
[12:50] <Kilos> i can never find the LP link for za
[12:51] <Sxuza> hey Kilos  :)
[12:51] <Kilos> inetpro dont you want to put it back in the topic
[12:51] <Sxuza> if im Sop for another channel somewhere , how do i find out how many people are on the ops list?
[12:51] <Sxuza> infact everyone that is serviced by chanserv 
[12:52] <Kilos> ask on #freenode
[12:52] <Sxuza> ok 
[12:52] <Kilos> what is a Sop anyway
[12:52] <Sxuza> Super op
[12:52] <Kilos> ah
[12:53] <Sxuza> when u can add and delete people and some other servicees for that channel 
[12:53] <chesedo> Hello all
[12:53] <Sxuza> hey chesedo 
[12:53] <Kilos> freenode has changed, you first query an op to allow you to speak
[12:53] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[12:53] <Kilos> whats out LP link
[12:54] <chesedo> inetpro: sorry for having to put you on as chair without conce
[12:54] <chesedo> *consent
[12:55] <Kilos> another new peson today been on buntu since 2009 and only just found us today
[12:55] <Kilos> i think pro is away due to power cut
[12:58] <Kilos> hi zulucoda 
[12:58] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:58] <Kilos> kayise https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[12:59] <zulucoda> Hi Kilos, actually its me Kayise.
[12:59] <Kilos> haha
[12:59] <zulucoda> let close the kayise chat
[13:00] <Kilos> sawubona
[13:01] <zulucoda> yebo baba, ninjani la eUbunu-za channel?
[13:01] <Kilos> lol you got me there i know only a few zulu words
[13:02] <Kilos> spent many years farming in natal
[13:02] <zulucoda> hehe
[13:02] <Kilos> did you get the link to join launchpad
[13:04] <Kilos> the pro will understand better, he grew up there
[13:05] <zulucoda> yeah joined launchpad as well https://launchpad.net/~muzi-zulucoda
[13:05] <Kilos> cool
[13:06] <zulucoda> at least I know where to find other local Ubuntu peeps now. 
[13:06] <Kilos> good
[13:07] <zulucoda> @kilos, so when did you make the transition from Win$ to Ubuntu?
[13:08] <Kilos> 2008
[13:08] <zulucoda> okay that was the Vista period
[13:09] <zulucoda> lol
[13:09] <Kilos> tried 8.04 and couldnt get mobile to work and then been going since 8.10
[13:09] <Kilos> i have never seen vista
[13:09] <zulucoda> okay lol
[13:10] <Kilos> got killed on xp with virii etc so hunted for an alternative
[13:10] <Kilos> but then i was still learning about pcs as well
[13:10] <zulucoda> whats virii?
[13:11] <Kilos> viruses
[13:11] <zulucoda> oh i see
[13:11] <Kilos> one virus many virii
[13:11] <Kilos> i hope
[13:11] <Kilos> hehe
[13:11] <zulucoda> okay
[13:11] <Sxuza> Leceister must win the league this weekend 
[13:12] <Sxuza> Leceister must win the league this weekend 
[13:12] <Sxuza> Leceister must win the league this weekend 
[13:12] <Sxuza> u guys need to say something 
[13:12] <Sxuza> agree of disAgree 
[13:12] <Sxuza> lol
[13:12] <Kilos> how can you get so excited about foreign soccer teams
[13:13] <Sxuza> Pirates this side are doing well 
[13:13] <Sxuza> im all sorted 
[13:13] <Sxuza> what else u wanna say Kilos  ?
[13:13] <Sxuza> <-- think theyre gonna take the Nedbank 
[13:13] <Kilos> i follow the rugby and cricket
[13:13] <Sxuza> ure a sisi
[13:13] <Kilos> yes
[13:13] <Sxuza> Soccer is a real man's sport
[13:13] <Kilos> rugby is a sissy sport
[13:13] <Sxuza> its the best played sport
[13:14] <zulucoda> I'm okay with Leceister winning as long as its not ManU , Arsenal ManCity
[13:14] <Kilos> most skillfull feet yeah
[13:14]  * Sxuza sets mode +o zulucoda 
[13:14] <Sxuza> ure the man 
[13:15] <zulucoda> I appreciate both Soccer and Rugby
[13:15] <Sxuza> Kilos : the people that watch rugby and soccer ....... just take a moment and do the maths 
[13:15] <Sxuza> i love Rugby too
[13:15] <zulucoda> or tho i like watching Rugby more 
[13:15] <Sxuza> not not as much as Soccer 
[13:15] <Sxuza> zulucoda : NOOOOOO!
[13:15] <Kilos> rugby is growing in za
[13:15] <zulucoda> My rugby team are the Lions, best team in SA at the moment
[13:16] <Sxuza> <-- Sharks 
[13:16] <Sxuza> before there was EP , theyre the closest to my area
[13:16] <Sxuza> <-- East London 
[13:16] <Kilos> im a sharks fan of course, but lions and stormers are actually playing better this year
[13:16] <mazal> nlsthzn, Kilos, that test did not go well
[13:17] <mazal> Massive FPS stuttering and freezing
[13:17] <Kilos> what mazal 
[13:17] <bushtech> the guys with skillful feet are good soccer players but the ones who combine that with skillful hands are the great ones
[13:17] <nlsthzn> mazal, borderlands 2?
[13:17] <mazal> yeah
[13:17] <Sxuza> Kilos : atlesat we agree on something 
[13:17] <nlsthzn> ati or nvidia?
[13:17] <Sxuza> and yes thyre not the best team out there currently
[13:17] <mazal> nvidia GTX 760 4gig
[13:17] <nlsthzn> latest driver installed/
[13:17] <nlsthzn> ?
[13:17] <mazal> Yep
[13:18] <nlsthzn> strange... shouldn't have any issues :/
[13:18] <mazal> The proprietry one. Think it's 361 if memory serves
[13:18] <Sxuza> Im loyal to Chelsea , thats why i need Leceister to take the League
[13:18] <nlsthzn> mazal, you could also add the graphics ppa, there are even more drivers there... it happens from time to time that a specific driver has issues with specific software...
[13:19] <Sxuza> bushtech : i cannot , and will not ever turn a blind eye to what youre saying 
[13:19] <zulucoda> iesh I'm a Liverpool man 
[13:19] <Sxuza> Noted.
[13:19] <mazal> nlsthzn, I remember reading about that at one stage. It's mos a dedicated graphics driver ppa ?
[13:19] <nlsthzn> mazal, yup...
[13:20] <Sxuza> and it is also true, that there's alot of brains needed in Rugby than in Soccer 
[13:20] <Sxuza> same goes for the Refs 
[13:20] <mazal> Shees now where did I put that article ?
[13:20] <Sxuza> i think Rugby Referrees are very sharp
[13:20] <mazal> Think it was in one of the rss feeds
[13:20] <Sxuza> and wiiiiiide awake
[13:20] <Sxuza> but the flow of the game is better with Soccer , thats why its the best followed Sport
[13:21] <zulucoda> ya soccer flows well and also Ref cant sway the game in soccer
[13:22] <Sxuza> ya mfethu yinyani leyo
[13:22] <zulucoda> but Rugby Refs can determine how the game flows
[13:22] <mazal> nlsthzn, this is the one yes ? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:22]  * Sxuza thinks zulucoda  knows his sport 
[13:23] <nlsthzn> mazal, yup
[13:23] <Kilos> guys when others are busy helping with pc issues sit back a while till they have sorted it
[13:23]  * nlsthzn just tried shadow warrior... gfx look amazing and fps fine... sound however >.<
[13:23] <zulucoda> @Sxuza thanks man. Went to an all boys school so sport was drilled into us and we had play sport so ya.
[13:24] <Sxuza> Kilos : are u refering to the people that are chatting about Soccer ?
[13:24] <Kilos> anything off pc topics lads
[13:24] <zulucoda> sorry guys
[13:24] <Sxuza> o ok.
[13:24] <Kilos> i chat sport as well but pc issues come first
[13:24]  * nlsthzn is sure that the chatter is low enough not to be an issue...
[13:25] <mazal> Yeah not bothering me either
[13:25] <mazal> nlsthzn, looks like 364 is the latest , mine is 361 , gonna try that
[13:25] <Kilos> not serious Sxuza zulucoda 
[13:26] <nlsthzn> chat away guys :) 
[13:26] <Sxuza> was actully withdrawn there  for a moment Kilos 
[13:26] <Sxuza> but wiff respect , i wanted to make sure i comply
[13:26] <Sxuza> :)
[13:26] <nlsthzn> worth a try mazal ... but can also check google if there are any known issues...
[13:27] <Kilos> im not fighting im just saying we must consider pcs issues as priority
[13:27] <mazal> This would be the oackage name for apt ? nvidia-graphics-drivers-364
[13:27] <Sxuza> i got that Kilos  :)
[13:27] <Sxuza> and that goes with out qtn , 
[13:27] <Kilos> :D
[13:29] <nlsthzn> mazal, what you can do is add the repo. apt update then run the drivers application 
[13:30] <nlsthzn> it will list all of the available drivers
[13:30] <mazal> ppa not working
[13:30] <nlsthzn> what command you use?
[13:30] <mazal> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmvskn7
[13:30] <mazal> I added it to sources list
[13:31] <nlsthzn> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[13:31] <nlsthzn> also need to sudo apt update after adding
[13:31] <nlsthzn> so try updating first
[13:31] <mazal> That error came up when updating
[13:32] <nlsthzn> hmmm...
[13:32] <mazal> Will try the other route now ( add-apt
[13:32] <nlsthzn> wonder why the key isn't working
[13:32] <nlsthzn> when using apt it gets and verifies the key for me
[13:33] <nlsthzn> works fine forme
[13:33] <nlsthzn> works on my machine (TM)
[13:33] <nlsthzn> :p
[13:34] <mazal> When using add-apt didn't get errors , running update now
[13:34] <mazal> And update ran through without error either. So that seems to be to do with manual adding it to sources.list
[13:35] <mazal> Now just go to restricted drivers and see what it shows
[13:35] <nlsthzn> yup
[13:35] <nlsthzn> should have a list..
[13:35] <nlsthzn> if you choose something else and your system gets borked I am sorry
[13:36] <nlsthzn> drivers are funny things :p
[13:36] <mazal> After yesterday at work I know how to easily purge nvidia drivers without a DE hehehe
[13:37] <mazal> Getting the same as last week now , Kubuntu just hanging there at " collecting information about your system "
[13:37] <mazal> That's when I go into drivers
[13:38] <mazal> Did the same thing just after I installed and eventually after trying many times it showed something
[13:38] <nlsthzn> ah yes
[13:38] <nlsthzn> mazal, that is a bug in KDE
[13:38] <nlsthzn> kubuntu I mean
[13:38] <nlsthzn> will have to use terminal
[13:38]  * nlsthzn on unity cause it sucks less than kde at the moment
[13:40] <mazal> I dunno how to do it in terminal , and don't see directions on site
[13:41] <nlsthzn> sudo apt install nvidia-364
[13:41] <nlsthzn> just start typing nvidia and hit tab and it will show all the choices
[13:41] <mazal> thanx
[13:41] <mazal> Wow ok , didn't know that
[13:41] <nlsthzn> tab autocomplete will show anything matching your query
[13:42] <nlsthzn> even command work... if typing apt-get just type apt- and hit tab and you will get apt-get :p
[13:42] <mazal> I use that for filename and folders , didn't know it will quesry package name also
[13:42] <nlsthzn> ah ok...
[13:42] <nlsthzn> yes works for all \o/
[13:43] <Kilos> see nlsthzn you are more than just a pretty face
[13:43] <mazal> After install will it enable automatically or how to enable it ?
[13:43] <nlsthzn> reboot
[13:43] <nlsthzn> well that is what I do ...
[13:44] <nlsthzn> being linux I am sure there are ways of making it work...
[13:44] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I try uncle Kilos ... not hard... 
[13:44] <Kilos> hehe
[13:44] <mazal> I see the nvidia settings app at least shows current driver in use , so one will be able to see there
[13:45] <nlsthzn> well, give it a go... but I suspect a restart will only really enable the new driver
[13:45] <nlsthzn> the nvidia app is perhaps just reading some file to see the version number
[13:48]  * nlsthzn can't find a terminal command to show :/
[13:48]  * nlsthzn fails at internet
[13:50] <mazal> Yeah I will check after reboot.
[13:50] <mazal> Still waiting on the DL though. Feels like I am back on dial-up. Mobile sucks
[13:52] <nlsthzn> ah yes... 33.6 ... *shudder*
[13:53] <nlsthzn> max d/l of 4.2kb a second... would have my mind blown when it went above 1kb/s :'(
[13:53] <Kilos> eish
[13:53] <mazal> At stages I can't even get a web site open
[13:54] <mazal> Currently coming down at 19k :(
[13:54] <mazal> So called 3G , meh
[13:56] <nlsthzn> :/
[13:56] <Kilos> something sick there
[13:56]  * nlsthzn hugs 20mb fiber line
[13:57] <nlsthzn> will be what I miss the most of this country... uncapped fast internet
[13:57] <mazal> You lucky.......uhm.....lemme try be polite here.........fish !!!! :)
[13:58] <mazal> Ok , eventually. Rebooting....hope I see you guys again lol
[13:58] <Kilos> mazal run http://www.speedtest.net then use those speeds to complain with
[13:59] <Kilos> net is slower but getting 3mb/s down
[13:59] <Kilos> his is extra bad
[13:59] <nlsthzn> gl
[14:00] <Kilos> i go lock up sheep
[14:02] <mazal> Ok I'm still here :) Nvidia settings report that I am on 364 now ;) Will test that fps stuttering now
[14:03] <nlsthzn> sweet
[14:09] <nlsthzn> tested the sound again in shadow warrior and it is working now
[14:09] <nlsthzn> sweet
[14:09]  * nlsthzn will be back laterz
[14:09] <nlsthzn> exit
[14:14] <Kilos> Sxuza zulucoda feel free to kick the ball around now
[14:14] <Kilos> ill grab it and run for the goal line
[14:15] <mazal> hmm...the steam dl is running over 400k
[14:15] <Kilos> shhhh
[14:15] <mazal> Something is fishy
[14:15] <mazal> But my ubu stuff dog slow
[14:16] <Kilos> you make things sick
[14:16] <mazal> Can't be my signal then , steam would also crawl at 19k then
[14:16] <Kilos> yes
[14:20] <magespawn> mazal: might be the ubuntu mirror you are using
[14:22] <magespawn> there is also a cli version of speedtest, you can also try mtr against specific ip addresses, record the ouput to a text file
[14:31] <mazal> Ok the latest drivers didn't help
[14:31] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[14:31] <Kilos> ai!
[14:32] <mazal> Well at least my budget will be saved lol
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:32] <Kilos> mazal what are your pc specs apart from the 16g ram you brag about
[14:33] <Kilos> and is the ram ddr3
[14:38] <magespawn> hi mazal 
[14:39] <inetpro> Kilos: how many links do you want me to add in the topic? Remember, there multiple important links on the site... just one link to refer new people to and achieve multiple goals
[14:39] <Kilos> i have added it with maaz inetpro ty
[14:40] <Kilos> just need to rmember what to ask
[14:40] <nlsthzn> mazal, so... any improvements?
[14:40] <Kilos> Maaz lp address
[14:40] <Maaz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[14:40] <inetpro> one address Kilos, just one address https://ubuntu-za.org/
[14:40] <Kilos> i really battle to find how to get there
[14:40] <Kilos> no man
[14:41] <Kilos> i tried to click those launchpad things and it dont go to where one can join directly
[14:41] <inetpro> LoCo Links is easy to find man
[14:42] <Kilos> the launchpad stuff goes with the bzr stuff and site stuff
[14:42] <Kilos> Maaz will remember for me
[14:42] <Kilos> so calm down old man
[14:42] <Kilos> is your power back
[14:43] <inetpro> yep, power is back... guys were working on the line here
[14:43] <Kilos> qi!
[14:43] <Kilos> what line?
[14:44] <inetpro> Kilos: power lines in my area
[14:44] <Kilos> oh they were
[14:44] <Kilos> we are and were spelt same arent they
[14:44] <Kilos> like were having fun
[14:45] <Kilos> Maaz define were
[14:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Were \Were\, v. t. & i. To wear. See 3d {Wear}. [Obs.] --Chaucer. [1913 Webster], Were \Were\, n. A weir. See {Weir}. [Obs.] --Chaucer. Sir P. Sidney. [1913 Webster], Were \Were\, v. t. [AS. werian.] To guard; to protect. [Obs.] --Chaucer. [1913 Webster], Were \Were\ (w[~e]r; 277). [AS. w[=ae]re (thou) wast, w[=ae]ron (we, you, they) were, w[=ae]re imp.
[14:45] <Maaz> subj. See {Was}.] The imperfect indicative plural, and imperfect subjunctive singular and plu…
[14:46] <Kilos> need to add a modern dictionary
[14:50] <paddatrapper> We're - we are, were - was
[14:50] <Kilos> oh yes ty paddatrapper 
[14:52] <Kilos> maybe i should have a bally nap
[14:56] <nlsthzn> freenode acting up again
[14:56] <Kilos> yeah
[14:57]  * nlsthzn goes to eat... om nom nom time... got some boerewors made by some safa friends here...
[14:57] <Kilos> nice
[14:57] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:04] <mazal> maaz tell nlsthzn Nope , no improvement
[15:04] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell nlsthzn on freenode
[15:04] <Kilos> hi skokkk 
[15:04] <skokkk> ello Kilos 
[15:04] <Kilos> mazal i asked what pc specs
[15:05] <mazal> Kilos, it's an I5 , 16gig DDR3 and Geforce GTX 760 4gig DDR5 Vram
[15:05] <mazal> It ran everything well in winbloze
[15:05] <skokkk> I'm starting to hate ubuntu with apt breaking the whole time
[15:05] <Kilos> ok ty
[15:05] <Kilos> skokkk whats breaking
[15:05] <skokkk> apt-get
[15:05] <mazal> I go watch a movie
[15:05] <Kilos> use apt
[15:05] <mazal> l8tr all
[15:05] <Kilos> or aptitude
[15:06] <Kilos> cheers mazal \
[15:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:06] <mazal-sulking> lol
[15:07] <mazal-sulking> I'm gonna go sit with my PS3 now
[15:07] <Kilos> see if there isnt something to speed it up mazal-sulking 
[15:07] <Kilos> like a ssd
[15:07] <mazal-sulking> Yes , the PS4
[15:07] <Kilos> i wonder why they dont use a cpu like that in pcs
[15:07] <Kilos> with lots of ram
[15:08] <Kilos> those things run with min ram
[15:08] <skokkk> I'm hating mint even more now :/
[15:08] <Kilos> but like 8 core cpu
[15:08] <Kilos> skokk try mate
[15:08]  * skokkk boots mint
[15:08] <skokkk> http://i.imgur.com/Ex2ZfSz.png
[15:09] <Kilos> what are all those open pages on the left
[15:09] <skokkk> caja-desktop failing to launch
[15:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:10] <skokkk> so it infinite loops till it works
[15:10] <Kilos> has it always done that
[15:10] <skokkk> first time
[15:10] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck and reboot
[15:11] <Kilos> inetpro has some link that shows extra stuff to make force work better
[15:11] <Kilos> boetie
[15:11] <Kilos> help die mannetjie asb
[15:12] <Kilos> skokkk everything up to date and upgraded?
[15:12] <Kilos> and how old is your drive
[15:13] <Kilos> not perhaps some bad sectors causing the prob?
[15:18] <Kilos> hi kmf did things go well
[15:31] <Kilos> oh skokkk did you asnt the mint peeps
[15:32] <Kilos> ask
[15:32] <Kilos> i dont know if they have an irc channel
[15:32] <skokkk> no, not yet.. I'm trying to get an ubuntu setup working just for one task :/
[15:33]  * skokkk fires up docker
[15:33] <skokkk> aaand docker no work
[15:34] <Kilos> eish
[15:34] <skokkk> You don't by any chance have an extra machine running VNC I can use for an hour or so?
[15:35] <Kilos> i dont know what vnc is
[15:35] <Kilos> i have another machine using 14.04 kde
[15:35] <Kilos> you can teamview to it if you like
[15:36] <skokkk> it's fine, using a VPS quickly, will tell you if I need it still
[15:36] <Kilos> ok
[15:38] <magespawn> what is the problem skokkk ?
[15:38] <skokkk> magespawn, just getting annoyed with no possible version of anything im doing working
[15:40] <magespawn> skokk if you need to test things, AWS does allow a free use service
[15:40] <magespawn> sorry skokkk 
[15:41] <skokkk> I own a dedi, just set up virtualbox quickly
[15:41] <skokkk> problem is I can't have too much virtualization going on
[15:42] <skokkk> I need paravirtualization on a dedi actually
[15:42] <superfly> skokkk: did you use docker from the repositories or from docker's site
[15:42] <skokkk> superfly, I've skipped past docker, it's giving me shit now
[15:46] <skokkk> vnc > remote desktop > virtualbox > qemu
[15:49] <skokkk> yet the sound works :O
[15:56] <nlsthzn> mazal-sulking, well you will not be getting the same fps with linux than windows in many games as they are not native but actually windows binaries wrapped in basically wine to emulate...
[15:56] <Maaz> nlsthzn: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell nlsthzn Nope , no improvement" 52 minutes and 7 seconds ago
[15:56] <nlsthzn> lots of overhead added
[15:57] <nlsthzn> drop the settings until you get the fps that is playable it all I can recommend
[16:02] <skokkk> Kilos, does that offer still stand?
[16:02] <Kilos> yessir
[16:02] <Kilos> do you want to teamview to it or quemu
[16:50] <mazal> Sjoe this 3 year old media server app is still solid :)
[16:51] <Kilos> yay you over the sulk
[16:51] <mazal> hehehe , ja
[16:52] <mazal> for now
[16:52] <mazal> Explain this to me oom
[16:52]  * Kilos listens
[16:52] <mazal> When my nick has something added my ding works , when it's just as it should be my ding doesn't work ?
[16:53] <Kilos> wow
[16:53] <mazal> How is that for strange
[16:53] <Kilos> that only experts can explain
[16:53] <mazal> When nlsthzn answered me on that long nick ding worked
[16:53] <inetpro> mazal: and when I talk to you?
[16:54] <mazal> Never works on my correct name
[16:54] <mazal> I've looked at my notify settings over and over. Don't see what I did wrong
[16:55] <mazal> Not a trainsmash , is just nice when it works and I can hear someone talking to me when my eyes are not on pc
[16:55] <Kilos> add something to your nick then
[16:56] <Kilos> lol
[16:56] <Kilos> hi mazal-something 
[16:56] <mazal-something> Now it didn't work either
[16:56] <mazal-something> Mind boggling
[16:56] <mazal-something> Maybe it only works when I am marked away ?
[16:56] <Kilos> what kind of something are you talikng about
[16:57] <Kilos> wb mazal 
[16:57] <inetpro> mazal: what client are you using?
[16:57] <mazal> nope , that doesn't work either
[16:57] <mazal> konversation
[16:57] <mazal> nlsthzn, had a special voice it seems lol
[16:58] <nlsthzn> could be it is set to ping when you don't have the chat in the foreground
[16:58] <nlsthzn> or it has focus
[16:59] <nlsthzn> anyhow my ping works well and it keeps distracting me >.<
[16:59]  * nlsthzn goes away again :p
[16:59] <mazal> I dunno
[16:59]  * mazal shrugs
[17:00] <Kilos> my ping works with every channel message
[17:01] <mazal> Maybe I must minimize it's window and not just jump to other whatever window I am busy in
[17:01] <Kilos> and then when nick said it pings a bit different
[17:01] <Kilos> bit louder
[17:01] <inetpro> many different options available under Settings | Configure Notifications
[17:05] <mazal> I wasn't there. I was at configure konversation - Notifications
[17:06] <mazal> Lemme see what's there , maybe that's my problem
[17:07] <mazal> Ok count to 3 and say my name please
[17:07] <Kilos> mazal 
[17:07] <mazal> damn , still not working.
[17:08] <mazal> There is a "play a sound" that wasn't selected. Selected it and hoped that was the problem
[17:09] <mazal> Hang on , seenms every instance must be done by itself ?
[17:09] <mazal> When I click on "nick is written" the sound is not enabled
[17:10] <mazal> oom Kilos try again please
[17:18] <mazal> Anybody please
[17:22] <Kilos> mazal 
[17:22] <Kilos> sorry i went and ate
[17:22] <mazal> Yes !!!! 
[17:23] <Kilos> yay
[17:23] <mazal> Thank you inetpro
[17:23] <mazal> I was looking in the wrong place the whole time
[17:23] <Kilos> normally one sets notifications/alerts in the notifications secion
[17:23] <Kilos> you rush too much
[17:23] <Kilos> read everything
[17:24] <mazal> I did set it in notifications , but in "configure konversation"
[17:25] <mazal> I have no idea how I didn't see that one directly under settings. Big and clear as day
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <mazal> Which have to make me wonder why there are 2 seperate ones in the first place.
[17:26] <Kilos> ask the konversation peeps
[17:27] <magespawn> mazal so you have your notifications sorted?
[17:27] <mazal> How did I not see that ? One is so used to going to "confige appname" that I just went there the whole time
[17:27] <mazal> Yeah magespawn , inetpro fixed it
[17:27] <Kilos> lol
[17:27] <magespawn> cool beans
[17:27] <Kilos> well spotted inetpro 
[17:28] <Kilos> now fix mine
[17:28] <mazal> Now it works so well it dings while I am here also lol
[17:29] <Kilos> if ive been on anotherpage or even ticked a nick in the nick list and i dont first tick where one types then my typing goes into where my nick shows
[17:29] <Kilos> mazal try that
[17:30] <mazal> How you mean ?
[17:30] <mazal> Not following
[17:30] <Kilos> if i change channels and want to type i must first tick where i type otherwise it modifies my nick
[17:31] <Kilos> thats how i became google 
[17:31] <mazal> Mine goes back where it should
[17:31] <Kilos> was telling maaz to google something in pm
[17:31] <Kilos> if i change channels then flashing cursor doesnt show
[17:32] <mazal> Mine seems fine. I click on other channel tab , click on this tab , start typing and it's in right place
[17:32] <Kilos> now it worked with changing channels
[17:32] <Kilos> tick on someones nick then type here
[17:32] <mazal> Even works in the other channel
[17:33] <mazal> Then I can't type
[17:33] <Kilos> do you see nicks
[17:33] <mazal> I must first click in the type bar to ype then
[17:33] <mazal> But it doesn't change my nick or anything
[17:33] <Kilos> if i tick once on someones nick i cant keep typing till i tick here first
[17:33] <mazal> Same here
[17:34] <Kilos> ya that click on type bar messes up my nick
[17:34] <mazal> Doesn't do anything here
[17:34] <Kilos> i mean if i dont tick first
[17:35] <Kilos> i know it does it but i forget at times 
[17:35] <mazal> I think I know what happens.
[17:35] <mazal> To the left of the type pane is the nick change window
[17:35] <Kilos> yes
[17:35] <mazal> I think that get's highlighted , you start typing and it changes your nick
[17:36] <mazal> Dunno how to prevent it though
[17:36] <Kiloslol> ja i even have google spread ubuntu as a nick in there
[17:36] <Kiloslol> see
[17:36] <mazal> hahahaha
[17:36] <Kilos> inetpro please fix it
[17:37] <Kilos> hi ambo 
[17:37] <mazal> Do you use yout channel list as tabs on the bottom or list on the left side
[17:37] <Kilos> left same as xchat
[17:37] <Kilos> and nicks on right
[17:37] <mazal> Same as me
[17:37] <nlsthzn> that is the issue with KDE, to many settings and so many that seem to do the same thing
[17:37] <nlsthzn> but don't
[17:37] <nlsthzn> hexchat, install and everything works :p
[17:38] <nlsthzn> kthxbai
[17:38] <mazal> When I click on a nick it doesn't effect my "nick changer" if I can call it that
[17:38] <Kilos> one day ill go ask the konversation peeps
[17:38] <Kilos> no only when you type without first ticking in type bar
[17:39] <mazal> I can go crazy with the keys without clicking there first. Nothing happens
[17:39] <magespawn> it might have something to do with were the program is set to take focus
[17:40] <magespawn> something that says when switching tabs go to .....
[17:40] <Kilos> its weird because my nick gets changed on many ubuntu channels
[17:40] <mazal> Oom Kilos , maybe go and disable that box completely then
[17:40] <Kilos> they must think im crazy changing my nick all the time
[17:40] <Kilos> which box
[17:41] <Kilos> tell me step by step
[17:41] <mazal> hang on let me find the path
[17:41] <Kilos> head not lekker
[17:41] <mazal> settings-configure konversation-chat window-show box to change own nickname
[17:42] <mazal> It's under "layout" there
[17:43] <Kilos> ja mazal well done ty man
[17:43] <mazal> sharp
[17:43] <Kilos> no
[17:43] <Kilos> still cant tick on a nick and type
[17:44] <mazal> Ja that's normal
[17:44] <Kilos> ai!
[17:44] <mazal> Can't click somewhere and type somewhere else
[17:44] <Kilos> whyyyy
[17:45] <Kilos> you can on xchat
[17:45] <mazal> That's a xchat bug hehehehe
[17:46] <Kilos--> hello
[17:46] <Kilos--> yes xchat doesnt even do it here
[17:46] <mazal> Seriously , I dunno how you can make it to click in one place and type in another without any other action
[17:46] <Kilos> in xchat i can tick a nick and still type
[17:47] <Kilos--> Guest73981 where did manl go
[17:47] <mazal> Now I wonder how do clear this nickbox's history
[17:47] <Kilos--> or mani
[17:47] <pavlushka> missing inetpro !
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <mazal> Cos it will pile up , surely one should be able to clear the history
[17:48] <Kilos> i have no idea
[17:48] <Kilos> mine must be pages long
[17:48] <Kilos> yes the pro found it one day
[17:48] <mazal> Stop clicking on people nicks man !
[17:48] <Kilos> haha
[17:51] <mazal> Can't find anything re clearing that list
[17:52] <Kilos> pro will know if anyone does but he is sulking again
[17:52] <Kilos> caught the bug from you
[17:53] <Kilos> let me kill the extra me's
[17:53] <mazal> too many mini me's there
[17:55] <mazal> I go watch some tv
[17:55] <Kilos> ok
[17:57] <inetpro> you guys are a crazy bunch 
[17:57] <inetpro> nearly as bad as me
[17:58] <magespawn> how do you think we got this way?
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> is it a konversation prob inetpro 
[17:59] <inetpro> no
[17:59] <Kilos> me prob
[17:59] <inetpro> the problem is between the chair and the keyboard
[17:59] <Kilos> sigh
[18:00] <magespawn> id10t error
[18:00] <inetpro> you work with one app and expect every other app to behave the same?
[18:00] <magespawn> picnic
[18:00] <Kilos> yes for irc it must type in the correct bar
[18:01] <Kilos> i like konversation except for that one bug
[18:01] <inetpro> learn to do things differently and change the way you do things 
[18:02] <inetpro> stop clicking even, learn to use your keyboard
[18:02] <Kilos> thats why i must do one thing onl
[18:02] <Kilos> too many channels 
[18:03] <Kilos> only
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: I have more
[18:03] <Kilos> and meeting in africa in 30 mins and min peeps there
[18:03] <pavlushka> Good day inetpro!
[18:03] <Kilos> yes man you also have all your brain'
[18:03] <inetpro> but I just jump between about 5 of them frequently
[18:04] <Kilos> i sold some for booze money
[18:04] <inetpro> alt+1, alt+2, alt+n...
[18:04] <inetpro> pavlushka: hi
[18:04] <magespawn> what are you using inetpro?
[18:05] <inetpro> magespawn: quassel
[18:05] <inetpro> the concept is the same on most other clients
[18:05] <inetpro> just find teh shortcuts
[18:05] <inetpro> the*
[18:05] <pavlushka> inetpro: alt+n(n+1)/2, :p
[18:06] <magespawn> hi pavlushka 
[18:06] <pavlushka> hello magespawn !
[18:06] <Kilos> even a guy from turkey in africa channel now
[18:06] <magespawn> inetpro: indeed, i like irssi
[18:07] <pavlushka> Kilos: Fatar I guess!
[18:07] <Kilos> no az
[18:08] <pavlushka> i was forced to use irssi for help when i was unable to log into gui, that's way i learned a thing or to in irssi, lol
[18:09] <pavlushka> *two
[18:10]  * chesedo wonder how one will go to alt+16 for example
[18:11]  * pavlushka wonders if chesedo knows series sum!
[18:11] <pavlushka> chesedo: :p
[18:11] <Kilos> chesedo is very clever
[18:11] <chesedo> pavlushka: yes, and the proof
[18:11] <chesedo> :P
[18:12] <pavlushka> lol I though Kilos was clever.
[18:12] <Kilos> nono Kilos talks too much
[18:12] <chesedo> pavlushka: he is brilliant...
[18:12] <pavlushka> Kilos: please never mind, I am just pulling you leg, lol
[18:12] <Kilos> i know lad
[18:12] <pavlushka> *your
[18:13] <Kilos> chesedo you can promote the ubuntu for hope there as well
[18:14] <Kilos> might get other countries in africa active as well
[18:14] <pavlushka> chesedo: actually I dont know the range of his( Kilos ) diplomacy, !
[18:14] <chesedo> Kilos: hmm, but that reminds me
[18:15] <Kilos> reminds you of what
[18:15] <chesedo> kmf: did any other peeps pitch after i left
[18:15] <chesedo> *?
[18:15] <Kilos> oh yes what was it like chesedo 
[18:16] <kmf> chesedo: nope
[18:16] <Kilos> aw poor turnout
[18:16] <chesedo> fun and educational...
[18:17] <Kilos> as long as you guys enjoyed yourselves thats good
[18:17] <Kilos> how many peeps pitched up
[18:17]  * chesedo now knows about brave, servo, and another new browser
[18:19] <Kilos> what browser?
[18:19] <Kilos> ive even tried maxthon
[18:19]  * chesedo typed five integers trying to figure the correct counting...
[18:19] <Kilos> still prefer opera
[18:19] <chesedo> Kilos: brave and vivaldo
[18:19] <chesedo> *vivaldi
[18:19] <Kilos> linux browsers?
[18:20] <chesedo> yeah both and in beta
[18:20] <paddatrapper> brave sounds familier... Can't place where I've heard of it before though
[18:20] <Kilos> ah so will be in repos soon
[18:20] <chesedo> Kilos: doubt it
[18:21] <Kilos> paddatrapper you can join us on #ubuntu-africa as well for the meeting
[18:21] <Kilos> will be short and quick i think
[18:21] <paddatrapper> Kilos: I'll try - DebConf meeting at the same time
[18:21] <chesedo> pavlushka: it is the creator of js' project
[18:21] <Kilos> zulucoda_ you as well
[18:22] <Kilos> ok paddatrapper debconf more important
[18:23]  * pavlushka thinks chesedo is missing me!
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <chesedo> pavlushka: what did i miss?
[18:24] <pavlushka> chesedo> pavlushka: it is the creator of js' project
[18:25] <chesedo> oh boy, sorry pavlushka
[18:25] <pavlushka> not a problem
[18:25] <chesedo> paddatrapper:  it is the creator of js' project
[18:25] <pavlushka> chesedo: I know you were missing me, :p
[18:25]  * chesedo now has a new pa<tab> problem
[18:26] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Ah ok
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <chesedo> paddatrapper: well that is what kmf told me today
[18:30] <kmf> chesedo: we where talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
[18:43] <Langjan> Hi Kilos are you well?
[18:44] <Kilos> hi Langjan yes ty just busy in meeting in #ubuntu-africa
[18:44] <Kilos> you can join too
[18:44] <Langjan> oh I thought meeting was last night - another one?
[18:44] <Langjan> thks
[18:45] <Kilos> tis is all africa on one channel
[18:45] <Kilos> but most peeps seem to have forgotten
[18:45] <Langjan> just wondered how the 16.04 launch went 
[18:46] <Kilos> manhy like it but there are still many bugs to sort
[18:46] <Langjan> can chat again tomorrow some time
[18:46] <Kilos> ok ty Langjan stay well
[18:46] <Kilos> look after you guys
[18:46] <chesedo> Langjan: you can ask kmf
[18:46] <Kilos> ty for popping in
[18:47] <Langjan> ok good youi too Kilos 
[18:47] <Kilos> oh yes ask kmf
[18:47] <Langjan> thks chesedo 
[18:48] <Langjan> he also on meeting? lekker aand vir julle jongmanne
[18:48] <Kilos> selle daar dankie
[18:48] <kmf> lekker slaap Langjan 
[19:09] <nlsthzn> have a good one all... work again from tomorrow... will come visit soon :p
[19:09] <Kilos> chesedo thanks so much lad
[19:12] <Kilos> that wasnt good for the head
[19:13] <Kilos> bushtech hoekom so still
[19:14] <Kilos> skokkk jy baie slim ne
[19:16] <Kilos> oh my superfly no worry now , but sometime can you check why QA's links to minutes dont works please
[19:16] <Kilos> the text link is http://52.17.74.45/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2016-04-27-18-34-31.txt
[19:17] <Kilos> says page not found 404
[19:17] <Kilos> we have 3 months to sort her out before next meeting
[19:17] <Kilos> so i have no idea where she is saving stuff to
[19:18] <Kilos> ai!
[19:21] <magespawn> might not be saving it
[19:22] <Kilos> yeah magespawn but why
[19:22] <Kilos> ibids normally work
[19:22] <paddatrapper> Gah, I can only access google.co.za... Every single other page times out on this Telkom line
[19:23] <magespawn> lets see if we cn find out
[19:23] <Kilos> ai! paddatrapper 
[19:23] <magespawn> what line paddatrapper ?
[19:24] <Kilos> run mtr and see if you can find where things are breaking down
[19:24] <paddatrapper> magespawn: Telkom 2mbps
[19:24] <magespawn> ouch
[19:24] <magespawn> or just a normal traceroute
[19:24] <paddatrapper> It was working fine until about 30 minutes ago. Then it just died
[19:24] <Kilos> yeah someting
[19:24] <Kilos> storming?
[19:25] <magespawn> maybe reboot the router
[19:25] <paddatrapper> Actually pretty calm. Only had a little rain earlier
[19:25] <Kilos> or bad joints in junction boxes
[19:25] <paddatrapper> magespawn: already done that twice
[19:25] <magespawn> Kilos: have you always been using that server for the minutes?
[19:25] <Kilos> telkom has got very slack on maintenance
[19:25] <paddatrapper> Seems it's only on wifi... Wired connection is fine
[19:26] <superfly> Kilos: where does she get that IP address from?
[19:26] <magespawn> and they prefer to repair rather than replace faulty cables
[19:26] <Kilos> no magespawn  we moved her from pro's to fly's a while back
[19:26]  * paddatrapper has to tinker with the wifi it seems
[19:26] <Kilos> thts why i asked fly to check
[19:26] <magespawn> that is nginx server, does not seem to have anything on it though
[19:27] <Kilos> but he is busy and has 3 months
[19:27] <Kilos> oh my
[19:27] <Kilos> i could enjoy having adsl at times
[19:28] <magespawn> Kilos: superfly ^^
[19:29] <magespawn> < superfly> Kilos: where does she get that IP address from?
[19:32] <Langjan> Hi guys, still meeting?
[19:32] <Kilos> paddatrapper and all others
[19:33] <Kilos> feel  free to join these guys from tomorrow
[19:33] <Kilos> https://code.launchpad.net/~pirabarlen-cheenaramen/ubuntu/wily/nagios-plugins/crypto-fix
[19:33] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~hackers.mu
[19:33] <mazal> night everyone
[19:33] <Kilos> night mazal 
[19:33] <magespawn> good night mazal 
[19:33] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:34] <Langjan> Kilos,  whos the libre office fundi?
[19:34] <Kilos> the fly
[19:35] <Kilos> mind you could be many
[19:35] <paddatrapper> Third times the charm! When in doubt restart again
[19:35] <Kilos> fly helped me when i battled
[19:36] <Langjan> I need to get somebody who can point me in the right direction but will have to email what I need to do to create some text in blocks
[19:36] <magespawn> sorted paddatrapper?
[19:37] <magespawn> google is usually good for me Langjan 
[19:37] <paddatrapper> magespawn: Yup, all good
[19:37] <Kilos> wat se die google ding vir jou oom?
[19:37] <Langjan> I have been there but is clear as mud magespawn, old brains battle  
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <Kilos> magespawn dont forget i call him oom
[19:38] <Langjan> not funny at all...lmga
[19:38] <Kilos> haha
[19:38] <Kilos> paddatrapper glad thats sorted
[19:38] <Kilos> you a hacker
[19:38] <Langjan> Sa to be called oom for only 8 years and how many months and days? 
[19:38] <Langjan> Sad
[19:39] <Kilos> 2 months
[19:39] <Kilos> why sad
[19:40] <Langjan> want ek is nog jonk man
[19:40] <Langjan> dan noem die ou man my oom
[19:41] <Kilos> ja ek is oud
[19:41] <Kilos> ouer as julle almal
[19:41] <Langjan> ja my omie
[19:41] <Kilos> ek kan dit bewys
[19:42] <Kilos> was jy al by die groot hekke daar bo
[19:42] <Langjan> Unabridged birth certificate?
[19:42] <magespawn> text in blocks? 
[19:42] <Kilos> no man 
[19:42] <Langjan> yes magespawn 
[19:42] <Langjan> in different sizes and colors
[19:42] <Kilos> magespawn will help you oom
[19:42] <magespawn> perhaps a little more of a discription or an example if possible
[19:42] <Kilos> print them on paper
[19:43] <Langjan> really? baie dankie
[19:43] <magespawn> like a magazine or newspaper/
[19:43] <Langjan> I have, can I mail it to you?
[19:43] <Kilos> then use those differet colour highlighters
[19:43] <magespawn> sure 
[19:43] <Langjan> so you can see what I want to do?
[19:43] <Langjan> thks
[19:43] <Kilos> sien oom
[19:43] <Kilos> my mense weet als
[19:44] <magespawn> Langjan: see pm
[19:44] <Kilos> net hulle weet ook hoe om weg te kruip
[19:44] <Langjan> thks got it
[19:45] <Kilos> kyk na sy naam op die kant oom
[19:45] <Kilos> ai! dek sukkel met my volk
[19:48] <paddatrapper> What is the overall aim of launchpad, project management or source code management?
[19:48] <Kilos> we built our site there paddatrapper 
[19:48] <Kilos> and the africa site
[19:49] <Kilos> using nikola and bzr
[19:49] <Langjan> Sorry magespawn its a 2 MB doc
[19:49] <Kilos> well the fly did the work and others helped him and i kept breaking it
[19:49] <magespawn> paddatrapper: i think sourcecode, but maybe a bit of both
[19:49] <magespawn> np Langjan 
[19:50] <paddatrapper> Ok, trying to get an idea of where it sits in everything
[19:50] <Langjan> I have tried Libre office and impress 
[19:51] <Langjan> dont really know where to begin
[19:51] <Kilos> in ubuntu everything starts with launchpad
[19:51] <Kilos> everyone has lp address
[19:51] <magespawn> okay, which part are you struggling with
[19:51] <magespawn> ?
[19:52] <magespawn> Langjan: ^^
[19:52] <Langjan> how to begin to get the blocks of text in place  
[19:52] <Kilos> from LP we then make wiki pages 
[19:53] <Langjan> Youve lost me Kilos 
[19:54] <Kilos> im telling paddatrapper 
[19:54] <Kilos> sorry
[19:54] <Langjan> oh ok
[19:54] <magespawn> well pages 5-9 will can be done by inserting a table on the page and then filling in the text, you can adjust the size of the columns after the table is on the page, a bit like working in a spreadsheet
[19:54] <Langjan> magespawn, I just need to see how I get hose tables right
[19:55] <magespawn> pages 2-3 i am not too sure
[19:55] <Langjan> inserting tables does not seem to be the way to go 
[19:55] <Langjan> no 2-3 is not necessary
[19:55] <Langjan> its 5-9
[19:55] <magespawn> that would be the way i would handle it
[19:55] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Ok thanks, ek verstaan nou
[19:56] <Kilos> np
[19:56] <magespawn> let me create a document with the tables in and then i will mail it back to you
[19:56] <Langjan> normal tables too rigid, oh many thanks 
[19:57] <Langjan> but how do I learn to do it myself? 
[19:57] <magespawn> there are a couple of tricks, like merging cells etc that can get that effect
[19:57] <magespawn> i had a libre office tutorial website around here somewhere
[19:57] <Kilos> isnt there a tutorial available
[19:58] <Langjan> Sorry magespawn I also need page 3
[20:00] <magespawn> Langjan: that i am not sure how to do, maybe create it a image file in gimp or inkscape first, then insert that file in to document
[20:00] <magespawn> s/a/as
[20:01] <magespawn> if you really want to get into document lay out then i suggest scribus
[20:02] <magespawn> very nice for creating a layout without pictures or words to be used later
[20:02] <Langjan> ok thks magespawn will have a look
[20:03] <Kilos> Langjan did you get the tutorial
[20:04] <Langjan> just checking...
[20:04] <Langjan> nothing yet
[20:04] <Kilos> http://computers.tutsplus.com/tutorials/getting-started-with-libreoffice-writer--cms-21700
[20:05] <Langjan> thks Kilos 
[20:05] <Kilos> http://www.pitt.edu/~poole/libreofficeTutorials/libreofficeIntro.pdf
[20:05] <Kilos> theres one for eachers even
[20:06] <Kilos> http://www.pitt.edu/~poole/libreofficeframe.htm
[20:09] <magespawn> back
[20:10] <Kilos> wb  magespawn 
[20:10] <Kilos> wb Webtricity you need to chat sometimes
[20:11] <magespawn> did you guyes get my last couple of messages?
[20:11] <Kilos> nope
[20:11] <Kilos> we saw about scribus
[20:12] <magespawn> i'll have a look at the tables tomorrow at work, no libreoffice installed here
[20:12] <Kilos> magespawn can you hack
[20:12] <magespawn> in what way Kilos ?
[20:12] <Kilos> i dunno what a hackathon is
[20:13] <Kilos> but to morrow mauritius is having a three day hackathon
[20:13] <paddatrapper> Hackathons usually involve getting together and working to fix bugs in a specific piece of software
[20:13] <Kilos> thought maybe you could learn there
[20:13] <magespawn> usually where a whole load of people get together to debug nd write programs
[20:14] <magespawn> ubuntu hackathon
[20:14] <magespawn> ?
[20:14] <Kilos> yes but i have no idea what theyll do but thought you guys that can learn and remember would benefit from it
[20:15] <magespawn> are they doing it online?
 we are hacking sslv3 in ubuntu & debian
 Operation S.A.D = SSLv3 Absolute destruction
[20:15] <magespawn> secure socket layer version 3
[20:15] <Kilos> on channel #hackers.mu
[20:16] <magespawn> that would be a little beyond my skill level, but will have a look if i get the time
[20:16] <Kilos> https://code.launchpad.net/~pirabarlen-cheenaramen/ubuntu/wily/nagios-plugins/crypto-fix
[20:16] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~hackers.mu
[20:19] <magespawn> cool beans Kilos, bedtime for me
[20:19] <magespawn> good night all
[20:19] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[20:19] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:20] <Kilos> night all.sleep tight
[20:20] <Kilos> sien jou more paddatrapper 
[20:20] <Kilos> nag inetpro superfly 
[20:21] <paddatrapper> nag Ki
[20:21] <Langjan> nag kil slaap lekker