[00:00] <zequence> Software does some things differently from previous package installers
[00:00] <zequence> It's new, in short
[00:01] <studio-user427> Ah, I see. Still a super noob, but I'll get the hang of it soon.
[00:02] <studio-user427> Second question, firefox is having trouble playing videos on certain sites. How do I install a flash plug in for it?
[00:02] <studio-user427> Or would it be best to get a different browser?
[00:03] <zequence> studio-user427: to install most of the codecs and stuff you need, do this in a terminal
[00:03] <zequence> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:03] <zequence> It will add all sorts of non-free stuff that many people can't live without
[00:03] <zequence> ..such as flash player
[00:04] <zequence> Main reason that is not already included is because of licenses
[00:04] <zequence> those being non-free, that is
[00:04] <zequence> ..and not very re-distributable.
[00:05] <zequence> Just makes the whole thing a lot more complicated, doesn't it?
[00:05] <studio-user427> I see, yeah...it's a shame folks are still using flash anyway.
[00:06] <zequence> Even after installing ubuntu-restricted-extras you may be lacking support for some drm stuff for DVDs
[00:06] <zequence> If you absolutely must have those, there's a script you can run to install that as well
[00:06] <zequence> Think most people these days don't use hard mediums as much anymore
[00:07] <studio-user427> Ah..ok. True. I should be good if my job doesn't ask to use my comp for a presentation.
[00:07] <studio-user427> Non-profits are super old school.
[00:07] <zequence> To me, Windows is old school
[00:08] <zequence> I's like, really 80's frame of mind
[00:08] <zequence> Even with the nice graphics
[00:08] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is probably not the freshest experience out there though
[00:09] <zequence> But, it does come with everything imaginable, already installed
[00:09] <studio-user427> Yeah I grew up on windows...I'm sure most folks have.
[00:10] <zequence> We will hopefully add the possibility to choose Destop Environment during install. That should ensure that everyone gets the kind of user experience they want
[00:10] <zequence> I did too - grow up on Windows. Quit using it at around 2008 completely
[00:10] <zequence> Almost ten years now
[00:10] <zequence> I don't get much inspired from seeing Win 10
[00:11] <developer> Hi, evŕyone!!!!
[00:11] <zequence> developer: Hello!
[00:11] <studio-user427> That sounds cool. This way makes you have to learn though. It's best not to let the world get lazy from
[00:11] <studio-user427> from nice user interfaces.
[00:11] <zequence> studio-user427: Always takes some effort to learn something new, but the question is if it's good to do in the long run
[00:11] <studio-user427> Hello developer
[00:12] <zequence> I wouldn't say Windows has a nice UI. Gnome, maybe, but not Windows
[00:12] <zequence> It's just flashy looking.
[00:12] <zequence> But, if you are used to it, it's what works, I guess
[00:13] <zequence> Win8 I think most people would consider some form of scizophrenia
[00:13] <studio-user427> If tech is changing everday it's best to know the foundations to help keep up with the times.
[00:13] <studio-user427> Windows 8 was terrible.
[00:13] <zequence> Windows is in many ways stuck in the past
[00:13] <zequence> just take some very core stuff
[00:14] <zequence> Like, usb things
[00:14] <zequence> Stick a mouse into a Windows and it will say "installing drivers", and then you might even need to unplug, replug until it works
[00:14] <zequence> In Linux, it just works, right away
[00:14] <zequence> Why?
[00:15] <zequence> Windows is thinking in terms of permanent installations, like before USB
[00:15] <zequence> The driver already exists
[00:15] <zequence> But, the way they designed the core is that you need to create an interface for everything, like if it was a permanenet installation
[00:16] <zequence> And, it's not for security, or they would have have introduced that today - not in the 90s
[00:16] <zequence> I'm just saying Windows is yesterday, not the future
[00:16] <studio-user427> Huh...didn't think of it that way. Does sound pretty backwards now that you mention it.
[00:17] <studio-user427> Glad my friend set me up with this
[00:17] <zequence> This might not be the ultimate solution for everyone, but it sure is more fun!
[00:18] <studio-user427> True, glad there's folks around to instantly troubleshoot & learn with.
[00:18] <studio-user427> So yeah more fun indeed.
[00:20] <studio-user427> Ah so third question, terminal commands for Ubuntu Studio are essentially the same as older Ubuntu versions?
[00:20] <studio-user427> Looking up resources on the terminal and trying not to cross wires so to speak
[00:20] <zequence> Also with all the extremely integrity provocing features of Win10 I'm more towards actively disrecommending anyone from using it at all, for any purpose, much more than I would for Win7
[00:20] <zequence> studio-user427: One thing that hardly ever changes, that is the terminal commens
[00:20] <zequence> commands*
[00:21] <zequence> The UI changes a lot in the Linux world, but not the stuff underneath as much - would cause hell
[00:21] <studio-user427> Sweet.
[00:21] <studio-user427> Yeah for sure.
[00:22] <zequence> Linux itself changes probably more than anything out there - even Windows, but the interface for it can't do that too much, or it will become a nightmare
[00:22] <zequence> Now I'm talking about the plumbing underneath, the kernel, which is what Linux in fact is
[00:23] <studio-user427> UI is something I can handle...but once I'm set with the terminal my brain would fry if it changed.
[00:24] <zequence> It's the part that you'll find everywhere nowadays - 60% of servers, 100% supercomputers, 60% mobile, and soon probably everything else
[00:24] <zequence> google, facebook, amazon, etc, etc
[00:24] <zequence> Only user PCs are not dominantly Linux these days pretty much
[00:25] <zequence> But, what we do is not exactly involved in that either. So, there's a big difference between say Ubuntu and Android
[00:25] <zequence> The Terminal has long been a tool that you hardly can live without
[00:26] <zequence> You can, but it helps knowing the terminal sometimes
[00:26] <studio-user427> Right, had to crack my Android some years ago for a virus. Terrible stuff.
[00:26] <zequence> Also, if you ever need to fix a bug in a kernel module, and someone has, but it's not out there yet - you can build it from source code!
[00:26] <studio-user427> Haha, I'm soon gonna learn that. Long live the Terminal.
[00:27] <studio-user427> Woah, might need some help if that comes up. Still a pretty basic coder.
[00:27] <zequence> Developers usually use the terminal for most things, and it's not just to be old school - it's faster, but it takes longer to learn
[00:28] <zequence> Basically what you do there is you run applications, giving them arguments on what they should do
[00:28] <zequence> like 'ls -a'
[00:29] <zequence> Which is the program that resides in /bin/ls, and what it does is list files
[00:29] <zequence> With the argument "-a" you tell it to also list hidden files
[00:29] <studio-user427> Right
[00:29] <zequence> You can also tell it where to list files, like 'ls ~/.config/'
[00:30] <zequence> So, pretty basic really. Just a lot of text instead of mouse clicks
[00:31] <zequence> Once you learn scripting, you can do things like move all wav files from this folder to that folder, and convert them to flac, in one command
[00:31] <studio-user427> Oh sweet. A designers dream, haha.
[00:31] <zequence> That's when it starts to become really handy to know the terminal, but usually it's just stuff like installing some packages or adding a PPA or two
[00:32] <studio-user427> Ah, ok. Gotcha.
[00:32] <studio-user427> Does Studio have any short cuts to get me start in the meantime?
[00:33] <studio-user427> I rember an older version of Ubuntu I used had a few.
[00:33] <zequence> Well, it's the same for all Linux distros pretty much - except when it comes to installing packages
[00:33] <zequence> When it comes to installing packages, all Debian based are very much the same
[00:33] <zequence> Ubuntu is Debian based
[00:34] <zequence> The other big root apart from Debian is Red Hat
[00:34] <zequence> Fedora is a Red Hat based distro
[00:34] <zequence> They have their own packaging system
[00:34] <studio-user427> Ah, ok. One of the tutorials I was watching is based in Fedora.
[00:35] <studio-user427> I'll keep that in mind.
[00:35] <zequence> Most of that will be the same in Ubuntu Studio
[00:35] <zequence> At least the basic stuff
[00:35] <studio-user427> Gotcha
[00:35] <zequence> I did this a long while back https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UsingTheTerminal
[00:35] <zequence> It's old, but perhaps it has some useful points
[00:36] <studio-user427> Yeah for sure, I'll check it out.
[00:36] <zequence> The tutorial thinks you have gedit installed, which you may not have, so it's a fail already :)
[00:36] <studio-user427> Hahaha
[00:37] <studio-user427>  Semi but not total so still useful
[00:37] <zequence> Think I tried to add all the usual tricks that are actually usable in real life
[00:37] <studio-user427> Cool cool
[00:38] <zequence> Remember, you can start any application from the terminal, no matter if it has a GUI or not. If you know the name of the binary, or the path to the binary, you type, and it starts
[00:39] <zequence> That's the number one thing you do in a terminal - run applications
[00:39] <studio-user427> Ooh, didn't know that...ok.
[00:39] <studio-user427> Saves a lotta time
[00:40] <zequence> Yeah, usually the first part of the command is a program of some sort. Then follows arguments and other technical stuff
[00:41] <zequence> The reason you can just type the name of the application instead of the full path to it is because of some environment variables
[00:42] <zequence> YOu can see what those are by running the command 'env'
[00:42] <zequence> Specifically the variable PATH
[00:42] <zequence> This is the cool thing about Linux. It's an open book, if you want to read it
[00:43] <studio-user427> Ah, I see what you mean. Just tried that out now.
[00:43] <studio-user427> Haha, that's a good way to put it.
[00:44] <zequence> If you want to run firefox, from the termina, for instance, you can either do 'firefox'
[00:44] <zequence> Or, '/usr/bin/firefox' which is the full path
[00:44] <zequence> The environment variable takes care of not having to write the full path
[00:45] <zequence> But, you could have it installed in different places, and the variable has some of those stored in order
[00:45] <zequence> That's something you would worry about when starting to build your own local variant, for instance
[00:46] <studio-user427> Cooool dude. Geeking out over here, haha.
[00:46] <zequence> Just to have a taste of a typical terminal command, even if firefox is very much graphical, type 'firefox --help'
[00:47] <zequence> One of the options you'll see is probably --safe-mode. So, to start firefox in safe mode, you would do 'firefox --safe-mode'
[00:48] <zequence> And, that's pretty much the basics of what happens in the terminal 90% of the time
[00:48] <zequence> If you don't know the first part of the command, don't do it. That's a general tip
[00:48] <zequence> If
[00:48] <zequence> if 'sudo' is the first part of the command, that means you should pay extra attention
[00:49] <zequence> sudo is a program that gives you root privileges - meaning you get to change any part of the system with that
[00:49] <zequence> Not so hard, right?
[00:49] <studio-user427> Cool, I see what you mean. Yeah, I'll be sure not to mess with 'sudo' commands for a bit.
[00:50] <studio-user427> No, it's not bad at all. Pretty neat stuff.
[00:50] <zequence> studio-user427: always remember to use the TAB key for auto-complete. It works in the most unusual places
[00:51] <zequence> Helps not having to type full path names and file names especially
[00:51] <zequence> Even helps auto complete arguments for applications
[00:52] <zequence> If I update the system, I don't use graphical tools. Why? Cause, it's faster in the terminal, plus I see everything that happens
[00:52] <zequence> So, I just do two commands. First, update the cache of installable packages with 'sudo apt-get update'
[00:53] <studio-user427> So when you say auto-complete that's mostly for arguments and root situations. Not for basic installs and running applications.
[00:53] <zequence> Then, I do the actual update, or rather upgrade, with 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[00:53] <zequence> studio-user427: I do auto-complete for anything that I don't remember how it is spelled in the terminal.
[00:54] <zequence> studio-user427: As long as it makes sense, the terminal usually will auto-complete (depends on lots of scripts already installed in the system)
[00:54] <studio-user427> Ah, I see.
[00:54] <zequence> Like, if you type this, and then press TAB a couple of times, you'll see what I mean 'ls /'
[00:55] <zequence> If there's more than one solution, it will show the alternatives
[00:55] <zequence> Otherwise, it will just complete
[00:55] <studio-user427> Yeah yeah ok. I see what you mean now.
[00:56] <zequence> So, if you want to see what is in /home, you do 'ls /ho' and press TAB a couple of times, then ENTER
[00:56] <zequence> and so on
[00:56] <zequence> Actually, only once in that case
[00:56] <zequence> cause there's no alternatives
[00:57] <studio-user427> Ok, gotcha.
[00:57] <zequence> the root for the whole system is /
[00:58] <zequence> but, the root for the logged in user is ~/
[00:58] <zequence> ~/ is the same as /home/username/
[00:58] <zequence> ~/ just makes things easier in many, many situations
[00:59] <zequence> I don't know your username, but I can tell you to see what is in your user config dir, by telling you to do the command 'ls ~/.config
[00:59] <zequence> Or, to see all of your files i your home dir with 'ls -a ~/'
[01:00] <zequence> And, anytime you don't know what a command does, or you want to know more about it, either do 'command -h' or 'command --help' or 'man command'
[01:00] <zequence> man is an application which needs to be shut down with 'q'
[01:01] <zequence> also, remember CTRL-C and CTRL-D for shutting down processes in a terminal
[01:01] <studio-user427> Ok, yeah. My friend who set it up gave me all the username stuff.
[01:01] <studio-user427> Ok, gotcha.
[01:02] <zequence> That's about it. You're now a certified Ubuntu Studio terminal user!
[01:02] <zequence> You won't be accidentally causing power shortages
[01:02] <studio-user427> Hahaha!
[01:03] <studio-user427> Sweet! Dude thanks a bunch. Was feeling a little anxiet about the switch, but I'm totally down for Linux life now.
[01:03] <zequence> :)
[01:03] <studio-user427> No longer a simple anime nerd - I have evolved haha
[01:04] <zequence> It's like being an Inhuman. You just find yourself here
[01:04] <zequence> Someting like that
[01:05] <studio-user427> Haha, true. Inhuman compared to the rest of the world yeah
[01:05] <studio-user427> Anywho, won't take up much of your time. Sure there some other folks with questions lurking about.
[01:05] <zequence> If you know Marvels Inhumans, it makes more sense
[01:06] <zequence> I'm not usually this active for sure. But, it seemed like you had some use of it
[01:06] <studio-user427> Still making my way through Marvel. Most of my life has been pure anime. So making my way through all the American stuff.
[01:07] <studio-user427> Yeah I did for sure!
[01:07] <zequence> Ah, I'm not American myself. But, I did grown up with some of the Marvel stuff
[01:07] <zequence> Was intending to become a graphics artist originally, but moved towards music later. Living in Sweden
[01:08] <zequence> Spiderman, Daredevil, that sort of thing. The golden ages for me were around 85-90 or so
[01:08] <studio-user427> Oh, I see. Always been interested in music, but there's a higher demand for graphics in Chicago non-profits.
[01:09] <studio-user427> I'm super into Flash these days. But Spiderman and Daredevil are cool.
[01:10] <zequence> Yeah, I still follow all of the stuff done in Cinema, but I would probably not if I hadn't read those magazines as a kid
[01:10] <zequence> Think it was Frank Miller era with the Daredevil stuff
[01:11] <zequence> Pretty brutal, but also a bit more evolved than the common stuff
[01:12] <zequence> studio-user427: What kind of non-profits?
[01:12] <studio-user427> Ah cool - I'll check that out. The most I've seen about Daredevil is the live action movie made some years back.
[01:13] <studio-user427> Mostly non-profits working to help communities that don't have gov support.
[01:14] <studio-user427> But I'm slowly leaving those places cause the pay isn't great.
[01:14] <zequence> The movie was very inspired by the Frank Miller era, specifically, sometimes copying some frames directly, but hard to reproduce that. Not really close to the original. Not sure if the original is readable to date though.
[01:15] <zequence> Getting paid can be important. We who do this Ubuntu Studio stuff, we don't get paid at all
[01:15] <zequence> It's totally on volunteer basis
[01:16] <zequence> Some of the flavors will have one or two Canonical employees helping out, but that's still just volunteer work
[01:16] <zequence> I just quit being project lead after 3 years
[01:17] <zequence> sakrecoer just took over, and is doing it for two years
[01:18] <zequence> He's also living in Sweden, coincidentally
[01:18] <studio-user427> Ah true, just getting started in my career w/ bills to pay. Once I get settled I wouldn't mind little to no pay.
[01:18] <studio-user427> Ah I see.
[01:19] <zequence> I suppose money is getting less important to people these days. Maybe it's universal
[01:19] <zequence> Lots of people feel that way now
[01:19] <zequence> Better to have something meaningful to do, and some freedom
[01:20] <zequence> studio-user427: Hope you have a good time with your Studio installation
[01:21] <studio-user427> Yeah, but in the states money can be a curse for most folks. Personally, I could care less.
[01:21] <studio-user427> Yeah, thanks again for all your help! Appreciate it.
[01:21] <zequence> let us know if something is not working right or you otherwise have any opinions!
[01:21] <studio-user427> Sounds good, will do.
[03:39] <micheal> its micheal myers
[03:40] <micheal> can u help me donload jack
[10:57] <Bernzel> Hey I need some help with exporting a trimmed down video in OpenShot, anyone that can help? Just spent 30mintues exporting the same video I came in with..
[11:02] <sakrecoer> Bernzel: what do you mean by trimmed down?
[11:05] <Bernzel> sakrecoer, I've cut the length down
[11:05] <Bernzel> with the resize tool
[11:07] <sakrecoer> Bernzel: but is the export region aldo shortened? please note i haven't use openshot in a longvtime
[11:08] <Bernzel> sakrecoer, no idea :/ I simply dragged the imported video to a track below, resized with the resize tool and tried to export straight after, but all I get is the full length video with no sound nor any visuals
[11:09] <sakrecoer> is the exported video having a bunch long bit of black at the end? Bernzel
[11:09] <Bernzel> sakrecoer, the whole vid is black
[11:09] <sakrecoer> that sounds very bad indeed...
[11:10] <Bernzel> I don't understand how it can be so difficult to just cut out a piece of a video :s
[11:10] <sakrecoer> Bernzel: have you put down much efforts on cutting the video, or could you redo it in kdenlive?
[11:10] <Bernzel> I could redo it.
[11:11] <sakrecoer> it could be something fishy with your export settings
[11:12] <sakrecoer> can't really help you with that right now..
[11:12] <sakrecoer> but kdenlive is a safer shot i think.
[11:13] <sakrecoer> i understand this isn't exactly a sollution
[11:13] <sakrecoer> sorry about that Bernzel
[11:14] <sakrecoer> i'll look into it later today, what version of ubuntustudio are you running?
[11:14] <sakrecoer> Bernzel:
[11:14] <Bernzel> sakrecoer, no worries! :) I'm not using UbuntuStudio
[11:14] <sakrecoer> ok, have you tried reaching out to the openshot guys, Bernzel ?
[11:15] <Bernzel> yeah they arn't responding. But I found something now
[11:15] <Bernzel> why it's black
[11:15] <sakrecoer> \o/
[11:15] <Bernzel> It's recording the full track which is cut out most of it. So when I forward to the time where I actually had video, it's showing
[11:15] <sakrecoer> got to go, good luck Bernzel
[11:16] <sakrecoer> check out for dome settings for whst region you want to export from the timeline Bernzel. ciao noe
[17:31] <danwe> hallo everyone, someone know why the generic ubuntustudio OpenShot video editor stopped working all of the sudden? it doesnt start and un-instaling and installing again didnt work. someone had this problem?
[17:45] <sakrecoer> danwe: that sounds odd.
[17:45] <sakrecoer> danwe: in your home folder, you should find a folder called ".openshot"
[17:45] <sakrecoer> it is hidden to you in the file manager unless you "display hidden files"
[17:46] <sakrecoer> danwe: back it up (rename it to .openshot_bckup) and try erstarting it
[17:46] <sakrecoer> *restarting it
[17:48] <danwe> sakrecoer: you are genius
[17:48] <danwe> it worked
[17:59] <sakrecoer> \o/
[18:00] <sakrecoer> danwe: those folders often hold configurations for the program they are named after, but sometimes they also have important data. always back them up first, before you delete them
[18:01] <sakrecoer> danwe: but its the classic trick that can often help
[18:01] <sakrecoer> danwe: by "those folders" i mean the folders that starts with a dot=> "." and that are hidden unless you show them
[18:02] <sakrecoer> specificaly the .folders in your home folder
[18:05] <sakrecoer> danwe: happy video editing! feel free to share your work with us here or by taggin ubuntustudio on your social media if you are into that :)
[19:22] <jgcampbell300> so any news on working speech recognition for linux ?
[19:26] <studio-user295> hola
[19:26] <studio-user295>  español?
[20:25] <danwe> sakrecoer: thank you for your help and info - I will surely do so