[02:52] good morning to all [02:52] harro \o [02:52] hey daftykins [02:53] much on the cards today for you? [02:53] in few hours we going to the sauna [02:53] with arranged breakfast [02:53] then in the afternoon ill be on irc [02:54] daftykins: you got plans? [02:55] http://news.softpedia.com/news/entroware-s-orion-laptops-now-ship-with-ubuntu-mate-16-04-lts-and-skylake-cpus-503499.shtml [02:56] :D sounds good, not been to a sauna [02:56] nah not really any work on right now, waiting for this client to be back in-island to finish setting up her new email setup [02:57] daftykins: are those still job you got through your uncle's business? [02:57] nah everything is freelance [02:57] great [03:11] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/franz-messaging-app-linux-slack-whatsapp-telegram [03:13] hmm [03:13] WhatsApp touts encryption these days, but makes me wonder about the security from PC to phone [03:14] yeah [03:14] i've never tried it, if i'm honest [03:14] millions of users use it... [03:15] amusingly before the encryption thing, i was planning on ARP spoofing my phone to see whether the traffic were in plaintext [03:17] there was an article of a hacker explaining sniff out phone traafic recently right [03:18] hmm not sure i saw that one [03:18] but that's mobile network traffic you mean? [03:18] yeah [03:19] well phreaking has been there for ages :p [03:19] :D [03:40] http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-605672866 [03:40] mac style :p [03:42] erk! [03:43] problem with deviantart is there seems to always be a pervy image one click away [03:43] lol [03:43] daftykins: you can block adult content at the top :p [03:43] ah well i clear my browser cache religiously, so that'd require cookies i guess [03:44] :p [03:45] anyone know where to find a business that makes a logo + wallpaper + phone wall all the same? [03:46] i find many logo companys, but always lack wallpapers [03:47] hmm my mate told me about some kind of website where you put up a request and people bid to do it, winner (you choose) taking the money you offer [03:47] they did it for his girlfriends new business [03:47] ah [03:47] interesting [03:48] i think they presented the idea of their business and then had a whole brand made up by several folks [03:48] nice [03:51] well i already know business name and quote and picture [03:51] but need a company making it all-in-one [03:52] business cards, usb sticks etc [03:55] :D [03:55] hrmm they got some pens made with their logo, i could ask - can't be too useless location wise since you're not far from me :) [03:57] yeah [03:58] ill try some local shops [04:01] hmm Cisco has found a bunch of NTP daemon bugs [04:03] oO [04:29] How is the gaming scene coming along with Steam and Ubuntu? Are there still a lot of games that are Windows only ? [04:29] HickorySmokedBac: steam performs well on good hardware [04:29] HickorySmokedBac: but linux users still low count on gaming [04:30] lotuspsychje: Are we talking about i5 + 950+ things ? [04:30] HickorySmokedBac: depends what your game is of course [04:30] all you have to do is browse the Steam website to find out what's Linux and what isn't [04:30] lotuspsychje: Borderlands 1/2/pre , Fallout 4 [04:30] GTAV.. [04:31] i dont think gta5 can be played on linux [04:31] yeah those are less likely [04:31] Going to get Mafia 3 later.. [04:31] ah [04:31] * HickorySmokedBac sighs [04:31] if you want triple A titles like that, Linux is a mistake [04:31] I guess I better upgrade to 10 then [04:31] HickorySmokedBac: the real high end gaming is not for linux yet [04:31] Before the free time to do it is up [04:32] HickorySmokedBac: check the steam database as daftykins suggests [04:32] I don't want to end up with some hardware still working in 4 years and the OS craped out [04:32] HickorySmokedBac: alot of linux titles out there to play [04:32] for reasonable prices [04:32] all you have to do is install it and enter your 7 or 8 key (you don't have to be using it) [04:33] then you're upgraded and can use 10 anytime [04:33] daftykins: The problem is the ISP rules . [04:33] how so? [04:33] daftykins: Sat ISP rules are 15 GBs besides 12-5 AM. [04:33] ask a friend to snag it and throw it on DVD for you [04:33] 12-5 AM is unmetered bandwidth (doesn't count) [04:33] daftykins: I was talking about the updates [04:33] ah or just leave a download going at midnight then [04:33] I can't just have them willy nilly downloading [04:33] no you just set it to a metered connection [04:33] which 10 Home does [04:34] simples. [04:34] no it doesn't [04:34] daftykins: You can't set wired to metered [04:34] hmm not on a wired box right now so can't confirm that [04:35] updates aren't big though so i don't see that being much of a problem [04:35] daftykins: ViaSat-2 is supposed to be up soon.. if SpaceX doesn't blow it up [04:35] And we're supposed to have better rules then [04:36] (With more bandwidth) [04:36] but I aint banking on it [04:37] welcome drama [04:38] hi [04:40] hrmm [04:43] morning baizon [04:43] hi lotuspsychje [04:47] daftykins: I might try this in a virtual machine tonight http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/35656-ethernet-connection-set-metered-unmetered-windows-10-a.html [04:47] Seems to be an easy registry 'hack' [04:49] mmhmm [04:49] obviously don't feed a VM your windows key ;) don't need to enter one at all to install [04:49] yeah, I just skipped it [04:50] It probably wont last many days though [04:50] (without starting to complain about needing to register) [04:51] sure it will [04:57] Close enough to Midnight.. might as well see [05:15] glooby: morning [05:16] hey [05:40] bbl guys have a nice day === drama_ is now known as drama [10:13] Howdy all [10:27] o/ [11:57] re [11:57] load [11:57] ;D [11:57] * lotuspsychje presses play on tape [11:58] hehe [11:59] * OerHeks presses money on the printer [12:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNfsY4CnJzA [12:01] lol [12:01] OerHeks: my bank acount is: 127.0.0.1 [12:03] hi pauljw [12:04] hey lotuspsychje [12:04] everyone :) [12:11] bummer. just discovered the laptop doesn't support 5ghz wifi, our neighbourhood wifi is becoming crowded.. 11 possible connections listed in nm...switched to ch 10 instead of the default ch 6 , maybe that will give me fewer dropouts [12:11] sir \o [12:12] BluesKaj: only channels 1, 6 and 11 are non overlapping in the 2.4GHz ISM band... you can region hack and use 13, but yeah you might have to just stump up for a dual-band card [12:12] i looked into it for my last laptop, saw cheap intel 6000 series n and ac cards for <£20 [12:14] ok , ch 11 seems like a good choice in the meantime [12:18] :D [12:18] i've been in the same boat of late, got my first dual band router when my ISP gave out free newer ones [12:25] my new router is both 2.4 and 5ghz, but the laptop was purchased when I had an isp provided router which was 2.4 only so never botherd to check the laptop's wifi capabilities [12:26] mmm much the same thoughts here [12:26] https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg991wtrfg7f2fn/IMG_20160304_104010.jpg?dl=0 [12:27] new laptop came with -ac and dualband so it can push the above :O [12:42] yay, 150,1 Gb uploaded \o/ [12:42] The first 2 days went fast, 50 gb/day [12:44] oO [12:46] hey de-facto [12:46] afternoon [12:46] OerHeks, that's more than twice my monthly bandwidth cap... :( [12:47] lol [12:47] * lotuspsychje hates caps [12:47] me too [12:47] My ISP starts mailing me when i exceed 1 Tb, FUP [12:47] lolll [12:47] greetz guys :) [12:48] So i can do radio/tv [12:48] hi de-facto [12:48] * lotuspsychje sneezes his nose with 1TB [12:48] * OerHeks runs for the gateway [12:48] haha [12:49] all the irc bandwith we spending :p [12:50] hi de-facto [12:52] that's nice OerHeks, i'm on hughesnet and have 60G of which only 10G is anytime with the other 50G for 2-8am use. we burn thru 10G pretty fast if we're not careful. so i'm up early to get all updates done prior to 8am. [12:54] ah, HughesNet Gen4 satellite internet [12:54] pauljw: al you need is one iso 16.04 :p [12:54] true :D [12:56] my daughter is of course always messing with videos, but she's getting the idea that she needs to do so in the early mornning too. [12:58] =p [12:58] prior to hughenet, the three of us shared a dial-up connection, so bandwidth discipline is ingrained in all of us. [13:02] out of interesst, how big are ping times over such a satellite connection? [13:04] de-facto, don't know, let me see. [13:06] 11 packets transmitted, 10 received, 9% packet loss, time 10009ms; rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 625.188/928.682/1661.651/378.042 ms, pipe 2 [13:07] this is reduced speed as we're long past anytime cap. [13:07] yeah that makes sence since the distances are so far [13:08] that gnome-softwarecenter is a major bug, for this LTS release :-( [13:08] worse than ugly, bad [13:08] yeah [13:08] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-deb-software-install-error [13:08] seems to be, first thing i did was use it to install synaptic [13:10] i still prefer the old way, synaptic and gdebi, apart from them just working fine they also provide a nice interface with a lot of usefull info (like files, dependencies, linter in gdebi and such) [13:12] :) [13:14] ubuntu studio amd64 (ratio 13.2) xubuntu i386 (ratio 9.5) ubuntu-studio i386 (ratio 8.8) ubuntu-gnome amd64 (ratio 8.0) [13:48] hi is there a channel to discuss the ubuntu userland system on windows 10 "developer" [14:27] !ubuwin | chrs_ [14:27] chrs_: Canonical and Microsoft have announced that Windows 10 will be able to run Ubuntu programs without needing porting/recompilation. This functionality is still in beta and is not supported in #ubuntu. For discussion and support, see #ubuntu-on-windows. [14:28] oh nice factoid, i was about to suggest to find kirkland (dustin) [14:28] lol [14:28] now wubi must die! [14:28] after precise? [14:40] hi frostie [14:41] hi [14:57] * lotuspsychje is listening @ http://mixing.dj/2016/livesets/adam-beyer-drumcode-289-live-the-social-uk-13-02-2016/ [15:12] i was thinking if would be possible to add move the minimize maximize close buttons to the right again in Ubuntu? [15:13] frostie, no, that used to be possible, as of 15.04 no longer possible AFAIK [15:13] frostie: for ubuntu questions you can use #ubuntu [15:14] err as of 14.04 .. [15:15] i dont think that worked in 14.04 either... have to go back as far as 12.04 if i remember it right [15:15] jups [15:15] The unity-tweak tool had that option in 14.04, but not working at all [15:19] afternoon baizon [15:19] hi hi lotuspsychje [15:19] baizon: have an after-work beer :p [15:19] nooo [15:20] wine? [15:20] noooo [15:20] pepsi [15:20] hahaha [15:20] ;) [15:20] ok, im having a fristi with a straw [15:20] ice cold pepsi :) [15:20] pepsi is the best [15:20] baizon: crowdy support atm, you might wanna jump in :p [15:21] coca cola isnt good anymore [15:21] it never was :D [15:21] coca cola and pepsi ruin the taste of bacardi rum [15:21] :-D [15:21] lol [15:21] No Virgin Cola? [15:22] well i dont drink alcohol at all [15:22] * lotuspsychje looks in the mirror..no no virgin [15:22] I usually buy homebrand cola, 25 ct/can [15:22] lotuspsychje: it's an actual cola that Virgin (the megacorp) makes. [15:22] DArqueBishop: i know :p [15:23] lotuspsychje: heh, sorry. It's unheard of here in Redneckistan. [15:23] finally the software center was replaced in 16.04 [15:23] a relaxing cat ... https://i.imgur.com/mYXJCZk.gifv [15:24] has anyone try to install from it yet? [15:24] baizon: is that you? [15:24] That is how my chihuahua sits with me after diner too :-D [15:24] lotuspsychje: nope [15:24] OerHeks: lol [15:24] belly-up [15:28] whats with ubuntu offtopic channel? says i cant join must register... [15:29] !register [15:29] Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode [15:40] lotuspsychje: thanks! [15:50] hi moonwolf [15:51] bye [15:52] anyone took a screenshot on 16.04 (unity) yet? [15:53] screenshot is so fast, takes the window from screenshot app itself also [15:53] can someone reproduce that? [17:19] how did you cause it? pressing PrtScrn makes it record the screen, but if I press it again with the snapshot dialog showing it captures that dialog too [17:19] prtscr makes it right yes [17:19] but with the app, it snaps the app itself [17:20] works just fine on ubuntu gnome though [17:20] TJ-: bug? [17:20] if I start 'screenshot' and take the entire screen it doesn't capture the dialog [17:20] lemme try [17:21] i got the dialog [17:22] may be a display-driver issue [17:22] bbl [18:51] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/28/windows_10_live_tv/ [18:52] lol [18:54] TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1573910 [18:54] Ubuntu bug 1573910 in gnome-screenshot (Ubuntu) "The background colour was changed after the screenshot" [Undecided,New] [18:54] perhaps related? [18:57] and another one [18:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1574398 [18:57] Ubuntu bug 1574398 in gnome-screenshot (Ubuntu) "Screenshot of a Google Maps screen captures the orange selection box in the image" [Low,New] [19:12] wb [19:12] thanks [19:12] BluesKaj: your on hexchat? [19:12] konversation [19:13] ok [19:13] having this weird bug lol [19:13] using gnome-screenshot it grabs also the dialog box, but only on hexchat lol [19:14] hexchat is a good client tho , it's my 2nd choice if I konversation screws up [19:15] but i bet kde doesnt have gnome-screenshot either? [19:15] lotuspsychje: many of those screenshot issues are going to be due the way the GPU-driver and the opengl layers work. to generate a screen shot you can't simply copy the framebuffer like in the goold old days, now, you've got to re-render the display into a RAM buffer pretending to be the GPU display, [19:15] ksnapshot in KDE [19:16] TJ-: but why only on hexchat? [19:16] screenshots on other parts doesnt do that [19:16] hexchat? you mean you capture the gnome-screenshot Save dialog when it is rendered on top of the hexchat window? [19:17] lotuspsychje, it's snapshot in kde [19:17] yep [19:17] holdon ill imgur [19:18] lotuspsychje: well, that tells me that most likely hexchat isn't using openGL rendering - maybe uses SDL - and that causes problems trying to isolate 'layers' [19:18] http://imgur.com/I63N1T9 [19:19] TJ-: should i bug or ignore this? [19:19] dialog boxes/context menus aren't picked up by snapshot either, it just won't copy the frame [19:19] hexchat uses libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 so that'll make sense [19:20] thats a bug against hexchat then [19:20] frames are composited by compiz/unity [19:20] no, its the artifact of using pixbufs and compositing [19:20] any appllication using pixbufs will likely have the same experience [19:22] TJ-: but lets say someone on xenial wants to grab a shot on hexchat [19:22] rather anoying right [19:23] TJ-, suppose kwin has the same behaviour [19:23] !info kwin [19:23] kwin (source: kwin): Transitional dummy for kwin-x11. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 6 kB, installed size 28 kB [19:24] it's possible some if it is to do with the gtk3/gdk3 vs older gtk/gdk2 libraries [19:25] should i bug this or ask to reproduce first? [19:26] no pixbuf dependency in kwin [19:27] a bug can't hurt, but there are so many critical/high bugs across unity gnome I don't forsee much progress in 16.04; possibly 16.10. There doesn't seem to have been much backporting of fixes to earlier releases so far for desktop [19:27] TJ-: against wich file should i bug [19:28] the 2 programs that demonstrate the error; let the devs dig in, reproduce it, and figure out where the blame lies [19:28] likely in some underlying libraries anyhow [19:29] can i ubuntu-bug hexchat gnome-screenshot togheter? [19:29] I've never tried; don't think so though [19:29] lets c [19:30] nop :p [19:30] ill go for hex [19:33] grrr, unity so annoys me. What daft bugger thought it a great idea for xfg-open somefile.desktop to open in a text editor!!! [19:33] xdg-open, sorry [19:34] and then system settings has no applet for changing it... i remember this from years ago, and its not been fixed! [19:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat/+bug/1576385 [19:39] Ubuntu bug 1576385 in hexchat (Ubuntu) "Dialog window shows on a shot of gnome-screenshot only in hexchat" [Undecided,New] [19:54] hey! [19:54] howdy [19:54] New to Ubuntu [19:54] welcome to the community [19:54] got redirected here as apparently my new found love isnt really the right topic in #ubuntu :) [19:55] satysin: for discussion you can sit here [19:55] satysin: for ubuntu related questions: #ubuntu [19:55] so I can just chat about anything ubuntu related here? [19:55] yes [19:55] nice :) [19:55] do you mind screenshot sharing? [19:55] go ahead [19:55] http://i.imgur.com/8L7oL4K.png [19:55] what you think? [19:55] i love desktop shots [19:56] this is the first time in *years* I have a computer I feel is *mine* [19:56] never felt that with Windows [19:56] sweet [19:56] what theme is that [19:56] it isnt perfect but oh man it feels nice [19:56] arc [19:56] well a fork of arc actually [19:57] http://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/ [19:57] check mine [19:57] nice! [19:58] how you like the launcher on the bottom? [19:58] I need to find a good conky setup for my desktop [19:58] satysin: I like the GTK. kind of has that flat feel like Paper-GTK but a bit darker and more blues. [19:58] Armadillos: http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn [19:58] nicomachus, yes it is a bit of a mix of flatabulous and paper [19:58] Armadillos: try deviantart, loads of stuff [19:58] http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/customization/screenshots/nix/?order=5 [19:58] latest linux screenshots [19:59] satysin: im one of the guys that wanted launcher at bottom from the start:p [19:59] heh [19:59] i was used to gnome dock at bottom [20:00] yeah for all the freedom of linux it sucked it took so damn long for that to happen [20:00] I like the side launcher. [20:00] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [20:00] https://i.imgur.com/3aFrpFZ.jpg [20:00] nicomachus: sweet [20:00] what cli irc client you use? [20:01] irssi [20:01] hexchat here [20:01] yeah I just use hexchat as I used that elsewhere [20:01] I want to find a nice PS1 now [20:01] just realized I didn't get the launcher in that shot: https://i.imgur.com/IyyvGgI.jpg [20:02] I would love a numix icon set that wasn't quite so muted [20:02] same style just with more vibrant colours [20:02] irssi is good for emergencies when i can't get to the desktop, it's been valuable in the past [20:03] BluesKaj: yeah some nice rescue :p [20:03] I like it because I can script almost everything, then copy those scripts between machines and use irssi over SSH when needed. [20:03] anyone run Cinnamon on Ubuntu? [20:03] not here [20:03] mint got latest one i think [20:04] lotuspsychje, in th eold days when xorg.conf would muck up the gpu driver or some such [20:04] BluesKaj: yeah [20:13] well, stuff to do and dinner soon...take care [20:15] hey Bashing-om [20:16] another crowdy support today [20:16] Ready for another good day .. Been good for you ? lotuspsychje [20:17] great here [20:19] Good deal .. I get saddled up .. and - ride em cowboy ! - see if I can pick up where I left off early this AM . [20:19] hehe [20:22] looks like already, going to be a fun ride . [20:23] anyone here use wine? [20:24] not me [20:25] nite nite guys [20:25] night! [20:25] going to dreamscape [21:37] Gonna go cut grass .. back in a spell . [21:50] !ltsupgrade [21:50] Users of 14.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 16.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 21st. [21:51] ugh, july [23:52] Mission accomplished .. done what I had in mind ... Will pick the mowing back up tamale . Back to support .:)