[00:39] <m0nkey_> High score: http://i.imgur.com/bo1Ivge.jpg
[00:41] <daftykins> :)
[00:41] <daftykins> they really don't work those things
[00:52] <daftykins> http://betanews.com/2016/04/27/windows-10-interrupts-live-tv-broadcast/
[06:38] <daftykins> g'mornin' folks
[06:46] <Myrtti> 10/10 can recommend finding your wallet from underneath the sofa after three days of searching
[06:46] <Myrtti> helps sleeping considerably
[06:46] <daftykins> \o/
[06:46] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ceiwnpktzfgs3yu/VID_20160428_071110.mp4?dl=0
[06:47] <daftykins> bonus cat video to celebrate your success!
[06:48] <Myrtti> \o/
[07:07] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:10] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , how are you doing today
[07:12] <MooDoo> knightwise: yeah I'm good thanks :)
[07:12] <MooDoo> you?
[07:20] <popey> *yawn*
[07:20] <popey> morning
[07:22] <brmbrmcar> Morning...
[07:30] <bittin> morning
[07:44] <SuperMatt> morning all
[07:52] <awilkins> Has the backup program changed for Xenial?
[07:52] <awilkins> The backup wizard keeps popping up and failing, and lo, duplicity is not installed
[07:53] <awilkins> This is an old home folder with my old settings, so are they directing xenial to use a different backup program when the default has changed?
[07:54] <awilkins> Aha : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsXPythonVersions
[07:55] <awilkins> Looks like it's been demoted from the install media for being written in Python 2.7 not 3
[07:55] <awilkins> Yet deja-dup (which depends on it to work) remains.
[07:56] <awilkins> Presumably it prompts you to install it when you configure your first backup
[07:58] <popey> awilkins: interesting. I'll ask the desktop team (who are sat next to me) if they're aware of this.
[07:59] <popey> actually i can test this. i am on a clean 16.04 install here
[07:59] <awilkins> I guess an upgrade would work
[07:59] <awilkins> Or they implemented that prompt and it does it when you configure 1st backup
[07:59] <Myrtti> I upgraded and I've got duplicity installed.
[08:00] <Myrtti> probably a worthless observation, but
[08:00] <popey> http://imgur.com/gvkwydA yes, it prompts
[08:00] <popey> that's quite nice
[08:01] <awilkins> I am a bit of an edge case : fresh install with restored home folder
[08:02] <awilkins> Ah, now getting "BackendException : could not initialise backend: No module named gi.repository"
[08:04] <popey> i dont think thats an edge case
[08:04] <popey> thats the exact same clean install i have :)
[08:05] <popey> https://answers.launchpad.net/deja-dup/+question/276745
[08:05] <knightwise> popey: would you do an inplace upgrade from 14.04 now or wait for 16.04.1 ?
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:05] <popey> seems maybe python-gi is missing?
[08:05] <popey> knightwise: up to you :)
[08:05] <awilkins> python-gi is present for python3 but not the python that Duplicity uses
[08:05] <daftykins> knightwise: i'd ask myself if i really need anything in the new, other than the shiny feel of being on current ;)
[08:05] <knightwise> I have the xps13 , and i'm using it at work so ... i'm kinda carefull.
[08:06] <popey> awilkins: if you could file a bug I'd appreciate it
[08:06] <awilkins> One for each problem?
[08:06] <daftykins> <3 XPS 13 9350
[08:06] <awilkins> The duplicity package clearly is missing a dep
[08:06] <knightwise> Love this machine :)
[08:07] <awilkins> I had a play with the XPS13, didn't like the keyboard
[08:07] <popey> i have the duplicity author here too, who i can poke
[08:07] <popey> so any detail you have would be super
[08:07] <awilkins> Very happy with a T460s right now
[08:07] <knightwise> And check out my lid cover https://www.dropbox.com/s/4rikj0o1lbe9i9f/20160426_090115.jpg?dl=0
[08:07] <popey> I <3 my T450
[08:08] <popey> Hot-swap dual battery ftw :)
[08:08] <knightwise> popey: that IS cool
[08:08] <awilkins> Ah, the battery isn't hotswappable on this
[08:08] <awilkins> But I think it has about a 9 hour life
[08:08] <knightwise> and if you put the laptop on its side it can act as a stand-in for a stonehenge block
[08:08] <Myrtti> I can't remember which XPS13 I've got
[08:08] <awilkins> Twin batteries, one LiPo one Li-IOn
[08:08] <Myrtti> can't easily check from the label either because I've got a case on
[08:08] <popey> 9 hours is acceptable
[08:09] <daftykins> knightwise: haha, where'd you get that from?
[08:09] <knightwise> http://www.bambooti.be/
[08:09] <daftykins> Myrtti: dmidecode, but i think you got a 9343
[08:09] <knightwise> they make curtom lids
[08:10] <daftykins> it'll be a 9343 if it's broadwell, 5000 series from "grep -i model /proc/cpuinfo"
[08:11] <Myrtti> ahha Product Name: XPS13 9333
[08:11] <daftykins> ooh even earlier
[08:12] <Myrtti> yeah we got this from eBay refurbisher 18 months ago or so
[08:13] <daftykins> *nod* after you linked i checked them out quite often :D
[08:13] <Myrtti> (with Dell onsite warranty and all)
[08:13] <daftykins> eventually i found mine on the Dell outlet though \o/
[08:13] <Myrtti> it was funny when the onsite came to repair the 'broken' speaker
[08:13] <Myrtti> and it turns out it wasn't broken, it wasn't hooked in
[08:14]  * awilkins planning to get a T420 for the offspring as a refurb from eBay
[08:14] <Myrtti> anyway, I should go get dressed, I came downstairs to prep a bacon sarnie for the hubby and just stayed to watch some youtubes
[08:15] <popey> i saw two X220's in CEX at the weekend
[08:15] <popey> one was 170 quid, one was 160
[08:15] <daftykins> hehe apparently CEX are selling some stolen copies of an unreleased Playstation 4 title
[08:17] <daftykins> i got an X240 for a client 2 years ago (hence the 4) but now we replaced his backup machine with an XPS13 9350 he seems keen to use the Dell as his daily, although it doesn't have built in mobile broadband so that kinda kills it
[08:18] <popey> yeah, i only recently figured out the middle digit was the year
[08:18] <Myrtti> aw crap, that reminds me of other things I haven't done today. BRB.
[08:18] <daftykins> popey: me too!
[08:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thank You Thursday! 😃 ❤
[08:19] <daftykins> i was all "hey waiddaminute the 2015 was x250 and we bought the x240 in 2014..."
[08:19] <popey> exactly
[08:19] <popey> "when did I buy the x220... and the new one is x260... waaaaaaitaminute!"
[08:19] <SuperMatt> I don't understand why they don't call it the x2015
[08:20] <SuperMatt> makes it a hell of a lot easier for people to understand what they're buying
[08:20] <popey> because that gives it away a bit too much
[08:20] <popey> "Oh, that's old"
[08:20] <popey> after 6 months
[08:20] <awilkins> Makes it harder to sell older models?
[08:20] <awilkins> Lenovo have a bargain area where they sell older models
[08:20] <daftykins> yeah i think a direct marker of time like that would send alarm bells to most
[08:21] <awilkins> Which is annoying
[08:21] <awilkins> Because they have different specs to the new ones :-Z
[08:21] <awilkins> Like last years X1 Carbon is different. Annoying.
[08:22] <zmoylan-pi> they have to convince people to buy older models of thinkpad?? :-)
[08:23] <awilkins> Well, older models that THEY have in stock
[08:23] <awilkins> Because they're newer-ish models
[08:24]  * popey hugs his 10 year old T43
[08:24] <popey> and his slightly less old X61
[08:25] <popey> and his slightly newer X200
[08:25] <popey> *X220
[08:25] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TO48Cnl66w
[08:25] <popey> and the T450
[08:25] <popey> Surprised how well the T43 runs Ubuntu MATE
[08:28] <knightwise> popey: you put an SSD in that i presume
[08:28] <daftykins> i've got a couple of the premium older Sony ultraportables retired from a clients now, first was a core 2 duo ultra low voltage with 2GB RAM - second is the same with 4GB RAM and a samsung SSD - they both run xubuntu quite well
[08:30] <popey> knightwise: in the T43, not yet
[08:30] <popey> It's PATA so I don't have any compatible SSDs lying around
[08:31] <popey> I only ever had one Sony laptop. The little portable thing the size of a Toshiba Libretto
[08:32] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_C1_series#/media/File:Sony_vaio-_Pcg-c1x_2013-08-16_23-31.jpg
[08:32] <popey> \o/ nipple
[08:32] <JamesTait> davmor2, my wedding song!
[08:32] <popey> blimey, for an old laptop they still command decent money on fleabay
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> my one sony laptop was killed by dublin bus in freak accident. i thought having 2" of protection underneath, 1" on sides and .5" on top was enough protection for public transport
[08:35] <daftykins> bit of violent braking saw it take off?
[08:36] <zmoylan-pi> braking and swerving when i was at top of stairs threw me down the stairs. caught myself luckily but pitched forward caught top corner of laptop a whack which hairline fractured the motherboard. would never accept a hard drive after that
[08:37] <zmoylan-pi> booted off puppy linux fine for a year after that mind till it booted no more
[08:37] <daftykins> :D
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> so now i want netbook sized of smaller that i can put more protection around
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> s/of/or
[08:42] <zmoylan-pi> pity the thinkpad butterfly keyboard never lasted
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> proper keyboard in small package http://i.imgur.com/ohB4y2j.gif
[08:46] <daftykins> aww an extra specially vigorous enter key stab and it'd pancake off out the bus window though :)
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> no no you use vim and ctrl m all the way... :-)
[08:50] <daftykins> *gasp*
[08:52] <knightwise> ugly but functional
[08:53] <popey> hehe, now co-workers around me (with their W520's) are eyeing up my T450 and looking at upgrade options
[08:53] <daftykins> XD
[08:53] <popey> So many thinkpads and Dell XPS's in one room
[08:54] <daftykins> the client that wants to make use of mobile broadband with the XPS13, i'm thinking the ugly USB dongle from the likes of ZTE is the best bet :/
[08:56] <popey> I'd get a mifi
[08:56] <popey> means you can put it where you get the best reception
[08:56] <popey> not tethered to the usb port
[08:57] <DJones> Does anybody here use corebird, if so have you found a way to pin the app to the unity bar so you can click on it to start it? Every time I try, it pins my twitter nick, but when clicked, the app never opens a window
[09:01] <daftykins> popey: mmm he's getting on a bit now though so another battery to charge is a no go really
[09:01] <daftykins> mostly his trips are down to his apartment in Spain where it's not really moving so much as setting up in one spot
[09:01] <popey> I wasn't thinking him moving, but moving the device so it gets the best 3g/4g signal
[09:02] <popey> I used to work in an office where I used a usb dongle and only had one sweet spot where it worked well, had to blue-tak the usb dongle to the wall and run a long usb cable  😃
[09:02] <popey> maybe not an issue for him :)
[09:02] <daftykins> XD
[09:02] <popey> DJones: what's corebird?
[09:03] <daftykins> nah it could be, his apartment is a lower floor in a block - might require a trial run
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> or a hat with the dongle glued on with a usb leading to the laptop... :-D
[09:03] <DJones> popey: twitter client
[09:04] <DJones> One of the few for Ubuntu since polly & hottot stopped being supported
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <daftykins> \o
[09:09] <daftykins> sure wish these docks for the XPS13 didn't cost an arm and two legs - http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=452-BCDJ
[09:09] <daftykins> that's the cheaper one :|
[09:09] <daftykins> knightwise: have you been tempted? :)
[09:19] <knightwise> daftykins: tempted to ... ?
[09:20] <daftykins> knightwise: immediate lines above, the linked WD15 Dell dock and the more expensive Thunderbolt 3 based TB15
[09:21] <daftykins> for the dream scenario of a single cable for external displays, gigabit LAN, audio and so on :D
[09:21] <daftykins> oh and charging
[09:21] <knightwise> VERY nice :)
[09:22] <knightwise> love the fact that its also a charger
[09:22] <daftykins> i just hope the prices come down
[09:22] <knightwise> i have 3 cables right now, power usb and displayport
[09:23] <knightwise> Man , no wonder twitter stock is going down. Aside from website newsfeeds and media outlets , my timeline is dead
[09:28] <popey> you dont follow enough people :)
[09:28] <popey> also, lists ftw
[09:28] <knightwise> probably
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> well they broke the timeline by shoving the while you were away and non chronological silliness in
[09:33] <popey> awilkins: any progress with deja-dup?
[09:33] <awilkins> It stopped complaining
[09:33] <popey> I use tweetdeck so don't have that issue
[09:33] <popey> ok
[09:33] <awilkins> I guess it was just a periodic check failing or something
[09:34]  * awilkins checks backup schedule
[09:34] <awilkins> Scheduled for today
[09:34] <daftykins> oh hello Firefox 46!
[09:34] <awilkins> Ah, running nowe
[09:34] <awilkins> Must have prodded the sleeping beast
[09:35] <awilkins> My other pet peeve with deja-dup is the verification step
[09:35] <awilkins> When it needs an encryption password it prompts for it at the END
[09:35] <daftykins> :S
[09:35] <awilkins> Which often means that you miss noticing it and your connection to your NAS times out
[09:36] <awilkins> And then the verification check fails
[09:36] <knightwise> I hardly have any local data that isnt synced to my NAS or the cloud on any of my machines
[09:36] <awilkins> Firefox 46 has system themed menus and stuff now
[09:37] <Myrtti> ah, so it does
[09:37] <awilkins> I may give it another chance to be my main browser
[09:38] <awilkins> It kept browning out
[09:38] <awilkins> So I'm on Chromium on my desktop nopw
[09:39] <daftykins> clean profile?
[09:40] <awilkins> On firefox?
[09:40] <awilkins> It was clean as of 15.10
[09:40] <daftykins> never hurts to nuke and try again
[09:40] <awilkins> As clean as you can get when you sync
[09:40] <knightwise> is the new calendar app in 16.04 worth it ?
[09:40] <awilkins> There's a new calendar app
[09:40] <awilkins> ?
[09:40]  * awilkins just uses Lightning
[09:41] <knightwise> does it sync with google  ?
[09:41] <awilkins> Huh, 16.04 has stopped syncing with Google calendar
[09:41] <davmor2> knightwise: it does
[09:41] <awilkins> Must have to feed it my account again
[09:41] <knightwise> hmm.. wonder if I can install it on 1404
[09:42] <davmor2> knightwise: it's a bit meh to be honest, It's good that is it so simple but it might be too basic for some users, just depends on your needs I guess
[09:43]  * brobostigon is struggling with writing the new story for the next D&D game with his friends.
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> have it as a quest to install os/2 :-)
[09:44] <brobostigon> lolz.
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> navigating the phone tree of ibm support...
[09:44] <awilkins> YOU NEED THE HOLY DISKS
[09:44] <brobostigon> lolz v0.2
[09:44] <awilkins> YOU HAVE FOUND DISK 4 of 15
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> and the sacred scrolls of faq
[09:44] <awilkins> YOUR QUEST CONTINUES
[09:45] <brobostigon> :)
[09:45] <awilkins> DISK 7 IS...... !!! CORRUPT !!!
[09:45] <awilkins> <druids casts protection against corruption>
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> i knew the adventure was over when ibm started phoning me for os/2 support...
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> but dnd is great fun... you learn valuable lessons... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/724330546709561345/photo/1
[09:47] <brobostigon> :)
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> we were all in exactly the wrong position for that attack
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> tanks/fighters at the back, range/magic users at the front
[09:53] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: catnip one is great :D
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> you can't go wrong on the internet with cat memes...
[10:00] <daftykins> unless perhaps it's a dog owners forum
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> nah a lot of dog owners don't mind a good cat meme
[10:03] <foobarry> just noticed something about Arial font
[10:04] <foobarry> write the word Tokyo
[10:04] <foobarry> it looks really bad
[10:05] <popey> ooh, i dont have arial installed
[10:05]  * popey installs
[10:06]  * zmoylan-pi just realises i don't have arial installed as i have been using times new roman and monospaced font for everything...
[10:07] <foobarry> need to check calibri instead if i can find it
[10:08] <foobarry> there's no digital signature on fonts is there? you don't know if you are getting a ripoff or not
[10:09] <popey> there is on the debian package
[10:10] <foobarry> strangely libreoffice has given me marginally bigger bullet points than another section of the doc even though everything seems to be the same (bullet size, font, spacing, text body, etc)
[10:16] <DJones> foobarry: Speaking of poor choices for a font, saw this the other day on twitter https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZnofBvIYAAfzOK.jpg
[10:16] <foobarry> oof
[10:16] <foobarry> probably quite a popular card
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> i have an aunt i'd like to give that card too...
[10:23] <foobarry> hmm
[10:23] <foobarry> intranet looks bad in calibri
[10:24] <foobarry> et is eww. think i'll try arial again
[10:26] <awilkins> popey, The debian package just downloads the font self-extractors from MS and unpacks them : does it check the signatures of the contents?
[10:38] <popey> awilkins: dunno
[12:37] <knightwise> Hmm, went from Gnome 3 to mate on 14.04 and I gotta say .. man its fast
[13:58] <foobarry> why does my browser never remember my google 2fa settings?
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> so google always has your phone number? :-)
[14:37] <diddledan_> morning
[14:51] <diddledan_> open.xamarin.com <-- the mobile sdk is finally opensource
[14:52] <diddledan_> mmm, sauce
[14:52]  * diddledan_ wanders-off to find some bbqsauce
[15:21] <MacroMan_> mysql: [ERROR] unknown variable 'sql-mode=ONLY_FULL_GROUP_BY,STRICT_TRANS_TABLES,ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO,NO_AUTO_CREATE_USER,NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION'
[15:28] <Myrtti> "ok"
[15:28] <diddledan_> I was thinking about that exact error too
[15:29] <diddledan_> I mean what are the chances that a random idiot will utter the exact random gibberish that I was thinking out which has zero relationship to anything real
[15:29] <diddledan_> about*
[15:32] <m0nkey_> I'm thinking about pizza
[15:32] <diddledan_> good plan
[15:33] <diddledan_> now I'm thinking about pizza
[15:33]  * diddledan_ drools
[15:34] <Myrtti> pizza ♥
[15:34] <Myrtti> best thing about the barbecue season is the pizzas
[15:35] <Myrtti> hm, maybe pizzabases could be something for me to make and freeze next
[15:42] <m0nkey_> Heh, the old BBQ pizza oven, huh?
[15:43] <m0nkey_> I've just realised I've not had my car insurance certificate in the car since August. Good job I haven't been stopped :)
[15:43] <foobarry> in the car?
[15:43] <foobarry> i don't even know where mine is
[15:43] <m0nkey_> It's a weird Quebec thing
[15:43] <foobarry> oh
[15:43] <foobarry> phew
[15:44] <m0nkey_> Both registration and proof of insurance must be with the car at all times.
[15:44] <m0nkey_> In the UK, Rozzers typically look up the reg number.
[16:25] <gpd> upgraded to my server to 16.04 from 15.10 last night - all seemed to be ok after some glitches in the install - but today everything seemes to have fallen over (courier-authdaemon, mysql, apache2) mysteriously during the day. nothing obvious in the logs. very weird.
[16:28] <m0nkey_> Pizza ready!
[17:19] <foobarry> gpd: "fallen over" how?
[17:19] <foobarry> isn't 16.04 systemd now?
[18:07] <awilkins_> I like this PC that looks like the Tet from Oblivion : https://twitter.com/Alienware/status/725745941764956162
[19:13] <knightwise> anyone know any good themes for mate ?  i"m on 14.04 and would like to spice it up a little