[04:07] <paddatrapper> Good morning everyone
[05:09] <chesedo> Morning paddatrapper and others
[05:17] <mazal> Mornings
[05:20] <Kilos> hi mazal and others
[05:20] <Kilos> hi  anton_may 
[05:32] <magespawn> ood morning
[05:32] <magespawn> perhaps a good one too
[05:33] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:33] <Kilos> ill be quiet and slow today. kinda bad night with min sleep
[05:36] <magespawn> did the meeting keep you up late?
[05:43] <chesedo> Hi mazal Kilos magespawn 
[05:47] <Kilos> not really magespawn one of those head days
[05:48] <Kilos> hi chesedo kmf 
[05:48] <kmf> morning Kilos 
[05:56] <Kilos> oops chased him
[06:06] <Kilos> hi boy
[06:06] <Kilos> Wolfeyes_is 
[06:16] <anton_may> Morning
[07:18] <Kilos> morning paddatrapper TinuvaMac 
[07:19] <Kilos> and theblazehen inetpro dlPhreak nuvolari 
[07:19] <Kilos> Maaz seen nuvolari 
[07:19] <Maaz> Kilos: nuvolari was last seen 3 months, 3 days, 21 hours, 8 minutes and 36 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-01-25 02:10:54 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-17 01:24:13 PDT
[07:19] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[07:19] <theblazehen> wow, long time
[07:19] <Kilos> yeah sad
[07:20] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:20] <Kilos> since he went to capetown he has got more and more corrupt
[07:50] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos
[07:51] <paddatrapper> And inetpro
[08:44] <Langjan> G'morning guys
[08:45] <Langjan> magespawn, thanks I am making some progress with my special docs
[08:45] <Langjan> hi Kilos 
[08:51] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[08:54] <Langjan> hoe gaan dit?
[08:54] <Kilos> ok dsnkie en self
[08:54] <Kilos> dankie
[08:55] <Kilos> net moeg, het min geslaap
[08:58] <Langjan> Ai, jy het dan vroeg gaan slaap, pla jou gewete jou?
[08:58] <Langjan> Goed hier dankie
[08:58] <Kilos> nee man die domkop draai en dink oor allerand goed
[08:59] <Kilos> to in my skool dae
[08:59] <Langjan> Soos ek, moet leer afskakel
[08:59] <Kilos> en as ek by pc sit word ek moeg, dan le ek en binne tien minute is ek weer wakker
[09:00] <Langjan> Kry jy genoeg oefening?
[09:00] <Kilos> ja ek loop en hol my gaai af agter skape en een tollie
[09:01] <Kilos> loop seker 3 ks agter hulle aan in n dag
[09:01] <Langjan> harloop vinniger...lmga
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:01] <Langjan> Kilos, jou raad asb
[09:01] <Kilos> waarmee oo
[09:01] <Kilos> m
[09:01] <Langjan> my vriend se data op sy stokkie het slotjies op
[09:02] <Langjan> en geen toegang om te delete of stokkie te format
[09:02] <Kilos> die data of die stok
[09:02] <Langjan> die folders
[09:02] <Langjan> fikles
[09:02] <Langjan> files
[09:02] <Langjan> wys 'n slot
[09:02] <Kilos> ok
[09:03] <Kilos> plug it in usb port
[09:03] <Langjan> op sy ander stokkie kan hy nie toegang kry om te paste nie
[09:03] <Langjan> lyk my hys swaar op stokkies
[09:03] <Kilos> then run sudo fsck -f /media/jan/stick name
[09:03] <Langjan> name just like that?
[09:04] <Kilos> nee man
[09:04] <Langjan> or his name?
[09:04] <Kilos> i name mine 16 and 16g etc
[09:04] <Langjan> oh just give it a name
[09:04] <Kilos> when i format them you get the option to name it
[09:05] <Kilos> otherwise it becomes fil_system bla bla
[09:05] <Langjan> ok so that formats it so I must backup first
[09:05] <Langjan> whre possible
[09:05] <Kilos> wait
[09:05] <Langjan> where
[09:05] <Kilos> you can get to see the data on them?
[09:06] <Langjan> yes
[09:06] <Kilos> ca you
[09:06] <Kilos> n
[09:06] <Kilos> ok then easy to copy paste to desktop
[09:06] <Langjan> yes on some
[09:07] <Kilos> otherwise you can use testdisk to repair it
[09:07] <Langjan> ok baie dankie
[09:07] <Kilos> like damaged files can be recovered
[09:08] <Kilos> lemme see if i can find my data recovery story
[09:10] <Langjan> Looks like his grandson played with his computer, dont know how he managed to do that
[09:10] <Kilos> ai!
[09:11] <Kilos> gparted will find its name
[09:11] <Kilos> or mountpoint
[09:11] <Kilos> may be /dev/sdc or something
[09:12] <Kilos> then you do sudo fsck -f /dev/sdc or maybe sdc1
[09:13] <Langjan> Hey now I'm getting confused about what to do and what not
[09:14] <Kilos> lol
[09:14] <Kilos> ok 
[09:14] <Kilos> plug it in
[09:14] <Kilos> does pc see it
[09:14] <Langjan> Its not here, will come tomorrow
[09:14]  * mazal peeks in
[09:14] <Kilos> ok save this coming link first
[09:14] <Langjan> but yes, pc sees it
[09:15] <Kilos> then open gparted 
[09:15] <Langjan> hi mazal 
[09:15] <mazal> How is everyone
[09:15] <Langjan> no link
[09:15] <Kilos> dont ask how to fix if thing not in your possesion
[09:15] <Langjan> fne thaks mazal 
[09:15] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[09:16] <Langjan> Jy slaap nog as hy kom man
[09:16] <Kilos> hoe laat
[09:17] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmv2bs4
[09:17] <Langjan> 11:23!
[09:17] <Langjan> lmga
[09:17] <Kilos> those commands ae for serious data loss
[09:17] <Kilos> innie nag
[09:17] <Kilos> ai! slaap julle toppies nie
[09:17] <Langjan> Nee man jy vra hoe laatr dit is...
[09:17] <Langjan> lmga 
[09:18] <Kilos> nee man
[09:18] <Langjan> more-oggend 08:30
[09:18] <Kilos> im here around 7am most days
[09:18] <Langjan> not when I need you
[09:18] <Kilos> when you log off ill leave that link with maaz for you
[09:19] <Kilos> but ill be here tomorrow
[09:19] <Langjan> ok will save the link on my desktop
[09:19] <Langjan> thks
[09:19] <Kilos> just hope i havent forgotten how
[09:19] <Kilos> normally the fsck -f works though
[09:20] <Kilos> but if you can see whats on the stick drag drop it all to a folder on your desktop then format the stick
[09:20] <Langjan> Ok thks will do
[09:21] <mazal> you have a damaged stick ?
[09:21] <Kilos> and name it an easy name
[09:21] <Kilos> then easy to work out the path to it
[09:21] <Langjan> no mazal is's a friends stick 
[09:21] <mazal> is it damaged ?
[09:22] <Kilos> like mine are /media/miles/16g  and so on
[09:22] <mazal> Or what's wrong with it ?
[09:22] <Langjan> Dont think so, just the files on it 
[09:22] <mazal> Files missing ?
[09:23] <Langjan> some open with a lot of repeated letters, whole page full others no access or he cannot paste docs to it, two sticks with probs
[09:23] <mazal> oi
[09:23] <Langjan> file shows a little lock and will not delete
[09:23] <mazal> That doesn't sound good
[09:23] <Kilos> remember you can also chown them
[09:24] <Kilos> thats gives you full read write permissions
[09:24] <Langjan> dont think my teeth are up to it 
[09:24] <Langjan> to chew on them
[09:24] <Kilos> not chew on
[09:24] <Kilos> chown
[09:24] <Langjan> lmga
[09:24] <mazal> Linux or winbloze user ?
[09:25] <Langjan> Ubuntu 14.04
[09:25] <mazal> Ext4 or fat32 ? ( the stick's format )
[09:25] <Langjan> sorry dont know sticks are not here
[09:26] <Langjan> I will get them tomorrow morning
[09:26] <mazal> If ext4 it might be as simple as permissions like Kilos say , if fat32 it is something worse as fat32 don't have permissions
[09:27] <Kilos> well see what Langjan s pc sees first
[09:27] <Kilos> no good guessing what might be the problem
[09:27] <mazal> yeah
[09:27] <Langjan> OK thks I will see how far I get tomorrow and perhaps get back to you if necessary
[09:27] <Kilos> nono
[09:28] <Kilos> come here before you plug it in
[09:28] <Kilos> so we know
[09:28] <Langjan> Ok thks will do
[09:28] <Kilos> anytime my friend
[09:28] <Langjan> ok have a great day and many thks so far
[09:29] <Kilos> you too ty
[09:29] <Langjan> thks
[09:29] <mazal> Lekker dag oom Jan
[09:29] <Langjan> jy ook dankie mazal 
[09:40] <mazal> Why do I always get stuck on the problems that google don't know
[09:41] <mazal> Still have the problem of daily update checking not working
[09:41] <mazal> When I checked manually in cli there was again a bunch of updates that the auto didn't notify me of
[09:47] <TinuvaMac> is the auto updates not just set to only do security updates? you need to change it to all updates if that is what you want
[09:47] <mazal> http://picpaste.com/updates-35BtOejE.png
[09:47] <mazal> ^^
[09:47] <mazal> I can't see what is wrong there
[09:48] <TinuvaMac> oh
[09:48] <TinuvaMac> gui...
[09:48] <TinuvaMac> im stuck dont know :P
[09:48] <mazal> I think the doesn't actually run the update check.
[09:49] <mazal> Cos when I run manual in cli the notifier immediately tells me there is updates
[09:49] <mazal> So the notifier service is running , but the update check itself doesn't run it seems
[09:51] <TinuvaMac> does the update checker have a pid or lockfile preventing it from running perhaps?
[09:52] <mazal> How would I check for that ?
[09:52] <TinuvaMac> no idea. unfortunately i dont use ubuntu enough to really know that
[09:52] <mazal> It won't be apt's locfile cos then the manual wun would also fail and tell me
[09:53] <mazal> lockfile* and run*
[09:55] <mazal> Maybe I must just put a manual command in root's cron if that would be safe to do
[09:56] <mazal> 0 8 * * * apt update
[09:56] <mazal> Would that be safe to do ^^
[09:57] <TinuvaMac> i guess
[09:57] <TinuvaMac> cant do too much harm
[10:13] <magespawn> half way through a teamviewer session to sort out a 'urgent' problem, the person on the otherside just starts working again
[10:14] <magespawn> i do not see a problem with that mazal, might be better to find the solution to the real problem though
[10:32] <Langjan> hi Kilos 
[10:32] <Langjan> do you have a fax machine?
[10:33] <Langjan> I just need a fax to be sent to my seldom-used fax facility to keep it active
[10:33] <Langjan> 086 659 7704
[10:33] <Langjan> Anybody? 
[10:36] <magespawn> i'll send one
[10:36] <Kilos> nope Langjan 
[10:36] <Kilos> lol
[10:36]  * mazal plans
[10:36] <Langjan> thks magespawn appreciated
[10:37] <Kilos> just send one yourself with a 30 day loop
[10:37] <Langjan> cannot send, only hace receive facility
[10:37] <Langjan> have
[10:37] <Kilos> lol
[10:37] <Kilos> im joking man
[10:38] <Kilos> there is actually fax software in ubuntu
[10:38] <mazal> This reminds me of and old Schuster song 
[10:38] <mazal> " Die Lionking-Luyt , hy fax jou sommer uit "
[10:38] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <mazal> Who remembers that !
[10:40] <Langjan> Fax from Ubuntu?
[10:40] <Langjan> must have a look
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz google how to send a fax from 14.04
[10:40] <Maaz> Kilos: "Newest 'fax' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/fax :: "mgetty-fax : Trusty (14.04) : Ubuntu - Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+package/mgetty-fax :: "How to Send a Fax in Ubuntu | Chron.com" http://smallbusiness.chron.com/send-fax-ubuntu-53374.html :: "Sending a fax in ubuntu | Len"
[10:40] <Maaz> https://www.len.ro/work/sending-a-fax-in-ubuntu/ :: "How to fax - General notes | HPLIP Knowledge Base" http://hplipopens…
[10:41] <Langjan> thks Maaz 
[10:42] <Kilos> there will be many more if you google with a browser Langjan 
[10:42] <Kilos> i use the bot because it always gives the top 4
[10:45] <squish102> sent fax
[10:46] <Kilos> ty squish102 
[10:46] <squish102> testing if fax would send from usa. use free service hellofax
[10:49] <Langjan> many thks, fax received - Ford.  From magespawn or from squish102 ?  
[10:53] <mazal> maaz seen thatgraemeguy
[10:53] <Maaz> mazal: thatgraemeguy was last seen 2 days, 5 hours, 9 minutes and 56 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-25 22:43:55 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-21 10:03:12 PDT
[10:54] <mazal> anybody know if thatgraemeguy is ok ?
[10:55] <squish102> i sent the ford one
[10:55] <squish102> i think, was some random doc on my machine
[11:00] <Langjan> thks squish102 
[11:04] <mazal> oom Kilos , ek het 'n probleempie
[11:05] <mazal> Moet dalk die naweek bietjie winkels toe
[11:42] <Kilos> wat nou mazal 
[11:42] <Kilos> nee nee
[11:42] <Kilos> speel die speletjies wat jy het
[11:43] <mazal> uhm
[11:50] <Kilos> Maaz tell Langjan https://bin.snyman.info/mmmv2bs4
[11:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[14:54] <Kilos> Maaz tell NaSb Sorry i missed you, slept the whole afternoon away
[14:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell NaSb on freenode
[14:56] <magespawn> home time
[15:01] <Kilos> hi NaSb 
[15:18] <NaSb> Hello Kilos ;)
[15:19] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[15:19] <Kilos> i slept the day away
[15:20] <mazal> Hallo oom
[15:25] <Kilos> inetpro when you have time shout at me, safer than shouting at the devil
[15:42] <chesedo> Kilos: for that issue that oom jan has. It sounds like someone went to a guest session (or another user), plugged in the sticks and changed user again...
[15:43] <chesedo> oh and oom Kilos, read up on how blue lights from screens affects one's sleep...
[15:43] <Kilos> so permissions?
[15:43]  * chesedo uses redshift (on lappy) to sleep quicker
[15:43] <Kilos> i dont have any blue screens i think
[15:43] <chesedo> yes
[15:44] <Kilos> glad you could help him ty
[15:44] <mazal> I have filters in my glasses to block the blue light
[15:44] <chesedo> Kilos: no but your screen emits blue light which wakes you as red light (like a sun set) triggers one's sleep 'hormone'
[15:45] <Kilos> how do i find this redshift
[15:45] <chesedo> mazal: sounds like a benefit of having glasses...
[15:45] <chesedo> repo's i think, but read up first so that you understand
[15:46] <Kilos> ok ty
[15:46] <Kilos> Maaz google redshift for 14.04
[15:46] <Maaz> Kilos: "software installation - How do I install redshift in Ubuntu? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/482373/how-do-i-install-redshift-in-ubuntu :: "Redshift — Ubuntu Apps Directory" https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gtk-redshift/ :: "redshift-gtk : amd64 : Trusty (14.04) : Ubuntu - Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64
[15:46] <Maaz> /redshift-gtk :: "Protect Your Eyes From Strain With Redshift in Linux" https://www.maketec…
[15:46] <chesedo> yip, it is in repo's
[15:46] <Kilos> oh but my screen dies after 10 mins
[15:47] <Kilos> so no light when i try sleep
[15:47] <chesedo> brrr... thats the wrong search... will give you a link soon
[15:48] <paddatrapper> Kilos: The blue light wakes you while you are working on your pc. This continues long after you've turned it off, hence the poor sleep
[15:48] <Kilos> aha ty
[15:49] <Kilos> i normally crash at 9pm, and sleep well, odd days here and there i battle
[15:49] <paddatrapper> Red light in the evening "tricks" your brain into feeling sleepier and allowing you to sleep more easily when you get to bed
[15:50] <Kilos> ill install it for sure thanks
[15:50] <Kilos> oh
[15:50] <Kilos> you have to have a brain for it to work?
[15:50] <paddatrapper> Just the hormones :)
[15:50] <Kilos> lol
[15:53] <Kilos> ai! restart needed for redshift
[15:54] <Kilos> should one use redshift-gtk
[15:56] <Kilos> i dunno what the -gtk adds
[15:57] <chesedo> Kilos: here's a short article - http://www.wavewallcases.com/pages/blue-light-explained
[15:57] <Kilos> ty
[15:57] <chesedo> the gtk one has an frontend (GUI)
[15:58] <chesedo> s/an/a/
[15:58] <Kilos> so not needed?
[15:59] <chesedo> i would use it... this is from my start-up apps - redshift-gtk -t 6500:3000 -l -25.7:28.1
[15:59] <Kilos> ty
[16:01] <chesedo> your position will be about the same as mine... and can adjust '3000' to your liking (that is to which kelvin?? it goes down to). 2500 to 3500 is good
[16:01] <Kilos> ok ill look at it when i reboot
[16:01] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Yup, kelvin - measure of colour temperature (low being red, high being blue)
[16:02] <Kilos> ty for the info you two
[16:02] <chesedo> ty paddatrapper... it's been a long time since i've had an aquarium...
[16:02] <Kilos> so those colours happen no matter screen background?
[16:02] <paddatrapper> anytime - works for photography/video too
[16:03] <paddatrapper> Kilos: It tints the display.. becomes almost unnoticeable after a while
[16:03] <Kilos> aha
[16:04] <Kilos> die engelse is slim ne
[16:04] <chesedo> Kilos: all light emitting colors except for black and blue have blue in them
[16:04] <paddatrapper> Haha, ek werk met colour tem al die tyd
[16:04] <paddatrapper> s/tem/temp
[16:04] <chesedo> wow paddatrapper, what do you do?
[16:05] <paddatrapper> Video mostly, some visual effects/titling too
[16:05] <chesedo> oh, using any linux tools?
[16:06]  * chesedo does some amatuer editing from time to time using shotcut (will switch to blender soon)
[16:07] <paddatrapper> I'm trying to switch over to lightworks, that way I can get rid of my Windows desktop
[16:07] <paddatrapper> But it's quite a learning curve
[16:08] <chesedo> lol, looked at it once... spent 5 mins and decided to drop it...
[16:08] <paddatrapper> lol
[16:10] <chesedo> i've stepped from things like openshot (easiest) to shotcut, now eyeing (well forced to use for a shacky video) blender, and then a step up from that would be lightworks
[16:12] <paddatrapper> Ok, yeah I'm coming from Adobe Premiere, so similar work flow to shotcut and blender (I think). Still getting used to the floating components in lightworks that you just combine together
[16:15] <chesedo> blender being a 3d modeling software has a wacky (and somewhat hidden) video editing workflow
[16:18] <chesedo> oh Kilos you do not have to restart... can test the command in the terminal... <ctrl> + c to quit again
[16:18] <Kilos> cool ty
[16:20] <Kilos> ai!
[16:20] <Kilos>  Unable to get location from provider
[16:21] <chesedo> Kilos: what command did you use?
[16:21] <Kilos> redshift and redshift-gtk
[16:21] <Kilos> and once with sudo
[16:22] <chesedo> ai use 'redshift-gtk -t 6500:3000 -l -25.7:28.1' - the l flag gives the location manually
[16:22] <chesedo> without sudo
[16:23] <Kilos> oh wow
[16:25] <Kilos> sjoe you should see the bugs rolling in on #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[16:25] <chesedo> Kilos: quit red hey
[16:25] <Kilos> yeah
[16:26] <chesedo> in 30mins you will know why i am so sleepy 'early' in at night
[16:26] <Kilos> wow makes a massive diffs
[16:27] <Kilos> lol
[16:30] <paddatrapper> Right time to go get wet... I'll be back later
[16:30] <Kilos> go safe
[16:31] <Kilos> or is it bath time
[16:31] <paddatrapper> Hockey in the pouring rain, so close enough!
[16:32] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:22] <superfly> chesedo: I highly recommend blenderguru.com
[17:29] <chesedo> ty superfly.. remember watching Andrew years ago when i was interested in fluid simulations (and had way to much time on my hands)... his videos has always been out of this world
[17:30] <chesedo> blender has really improved with its renders since cycles came out
[17:32] <superfly> chesedo: cgcookie.com also released a full blender curriculum for 3d animation students (well, their teachers, actually)
[17:32] <superfly> (free)
[17:33] <chesedo> yip, saw the mail you sent on the list... still considering going through it
[18:06] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:06] <Kilos> redshift putting me to sleep
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe
[18:59] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Langjan when you do your monthly payments set one of them to fax you your confirmation of payment once every two or three months to keep your fax facility up and running
[18:59] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[19:00] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[19:21] <superfly> good morning inetpro
[19:21] <inetpro> superfly: oops, that time of day already?
[19:22] <superfly> inetpro: indeed
[19:23] <inetpro> hmm... guess I shall have to wake up and get ready again
[19:23] <inetpro> ready for some work again*
[19:41] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[20:35] <pavlushka> Hello Wolfeyes !
[20:35] <pavlushka> Wolfeyes: How are you?
[20:39] <Wolfeyes> hey pavlushka, okay and you
[20:40] <pavlushka> I am sleepy great, thumbs up!
[21:13] <pavlushka> Good night ZA!