[17:56] <trebmuh> hi sakrecoer 
[17:56] <trebmuh> hi zequence 
[17:56] <trebmuh> (olinuxx here)
[17:56] <sakrecoer> hi!
[17:57] <trebmuh> o/
[17:57] <sakrecoer> :) its better to speak about packaging in here, or stuff from the devel mailing list :)
[17:58] <sakrecoer> so we don't scare the artists off with funky computer words :D
[17:58] <trebmuh> make sense :) sorry for the mess then ;)
[17:58] <sakrecoer> nothing to be sorry about!!
[17:58] <sakrecoer> on the contrary! nice with a little action boost :D
[17:59] <sakrecoer> but then again, this channel exists, so lets take advantage of it!
[18:00] <trebmuh> yep'
[18:00] <sakrecoer> trebmuh aka olinuxx is the mastermind behind our french counterpart librazik
[18:02] <zequence> Is that a continuation of Tango Studio?
[18:03] <zequence> I remember I tried that distro, ardound 2008-2009 or something like that
[18:03] <zequence> Maybe a little later, don't remember
[18:03] <zequence> Was Ubuntu based at the time, I believe
[18:04] <trebmuh> zequence, not officialy, but I did participate to tango a bit before being unable to continue participation due to a relocation in Australia for 3 years and a half (and a job, and so on)
[18:04] <trebmuh> zequence, the first tangostudio was based on ubuntu yes, then the 2nd version switched to debian wheezy
[18:05] <trebmuh> So LibraZiK is not a continuation (from my POV) but, it can be viewed as one (as a user POV)
[18:06] <trebmuh> I'm focussing on imroving usability for francophone users ie : frenchised menu items, frenchised GUI (when I can) and french support through a IRC chan + forum on linuxmao.org (which I'm main admin of)
[18:07] <zequence> trebmuh: Why not help Ubuntu Studio have that dimension as well?
[18:08] <zequence> Mostly about translations and communication channels, like a french IRC, french mail list, french forum, etc.
[18:08] <zequence> Changes to packages are either done in Debian, or if they are original Ubuntu Studio source - here
[18:09] <zequence> We have had one or two being interested in doing something for Spanish speaking, but no one has ever done anything concrete for that
[18:09] <trebmuh> I much prefer to make my own and collaborate when that make sense (like SSR maybe) since, I'm not stuck with bureaucraty :)
[18:09] <trebmuh> same with debian :)
[18:09] <zequence> Well, duplication of work
[18:09] <trebmuh> not really
[18:09] <zequence> But, your choice :)
[18:10] <zequence> Why not do the work at the root instead?
[18:10] <trebmuh> I'm sending patches upstream when that make sense
[18:10] <zequence> ok
[18:10] <trebmuh> both in debian and/or upstream project
[18:10] <trebmuh> then it sailing back to ubuntu as well :)
[18:11] <zequence> Yep
[18:11] <trebmuh> in fact, I'm certainly already participating to ubuntu with this POV :)
[18:11] <zequence> Sure. But, you are repackaging or doing new packages, so that is duplication of work
[18:11] <zequence> trebmuh: How about licenses. Do you have anything non-free included?
[18:12] <trebmuh> not really non-free stuff
[18:12] <zequence> So, no linuxsampler, no flashplayer?
[18:12] <trebmuh> no
[18:12] <trebmuh> only stuff like madfuload / alsa firmware
[18:12] <trebmuh> and wifi stuff on my live
[18:13] <zequence> Ok, so it's not strictly free, in other words
[18:13] <zequence> ..which makes it similar to Ubuntu
[18:13] <trebmuh> but I much prefer spending my free time on free software
[18:13] <trebmuh> well more or less :)
[18:14] <trebmuh> I'm planning to make totally free live as well on a next release
[18:14] <zequence> Ok, that's something that we can't offer for sure
[18:14] <zequence> Well, at least not with current selection of packages
[18:14] <trebmuh> what do you have as non-free in US ?
[18:15] <zequence> There are some blobs in the kernel, such as wifi drivers
[18:15] <zequence> And, we include the alsa firmware stuff as well
[18:15] <trebmuh> "in the kernel" or as "external modules of the kernel" ?
[18:15] <zequence> During installation you can add stuff like nvidia drivers and flashplayer, but, it's a choice
[18:16] <zequence> Ubuntu packages the kernel a bit differently from Debian
[18:16] <trebmuh> mmm ok
[18:16] <zequence> It has never been fully free, I think. Debians didn't used to be either, in the past
[18:16] <trebmuh> I'm packaging my kernel from the debian one + some improvements if I can
[18:16] <trebmuh> I think the debian kernel are 100% since 2.6.x
[18:17] <zequence> No, I think it was after that
[18:17] <zequence> But, I could be wrong
[18:17] <trebmuh> http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#Debian
[18:17] <zequence> Anyway, nice chatting! Need to do some work :)
[18:18] <trebmuh> from squeez in feb 2011
[18:18] <zequence> Right, yep
[18:18] <trebmuh> yep no worries, always happy to share knowledge and work :)
[18:18] <trebmuh> I'll be sticking around if you're fine with it
[18:18] <zequence> Of course! :)
[18:18] <trebmuh> sweat
[18:18] <sakrecoer> please do so trebmuh ! :)
[18:19] <trebmuh> :)
[20:20] <autumna> hi trebmuh! (waves hi to also sakrecoer and zequence before vanishing right back) 
[20:21] <zequence> autumna: Hellp
[20:21] <zequence> :) same error as before
[20:21] <autumna> zequence that particular typo cracks me up every time. :D
[20:21] <zequence> lol
[20:21] <autumna> by the way I didn't forget the website discussion or any of the other stuff. got thrown an unexpected real life curveball, should be back sometime this weekend latest.
[20:22] <autumna> is curveball the correct term?
[20:23] <zequence> Well, I would assume everyone understood, so correct enough
[20:26] <trebmuh> hi autumna 
[20:26] <trebmuh> zequence, you're really good at user&jack troubleshooting, congrats :)
[20:26] <autumna> :)
[20:28] <zequence> trebmuh: I'm working on making ubuntustudio-controls take care of that in the future. Takes too long time for quite simple problems
[20:28] <zequence> Most of it is in the slowness in information exchange
[20:28] <trebmuh> I definitely do agree !
[20:28] <trebmuh> zequence, so you're a coder ?
[20:28] <zequence> trebmuh: I do some python. The current -controls was rewritten from scratch by me
[20:29] <zequence> I have rewritten it again, but not finished. Doing the GTK without Glade this time
[20:29] <trebmuh> great
[20:29] <trebmuh> I hope that one day we will have a soft like this one, distro-agnostic
[20:30] <trebmuh> It'd serve so much new-comers
[20:30] <zequence> I'm planning on making an unbranded version of -controls
[20:30] <trebmuh> but I remember using ubuntustudio control back on 10.04 or earlier and it was so good
[20:30] <trebmuh> sweat ! great news !
[20:30] <zequence> It's Debian based, currently, but it could do other distros too
[20:31] <zequence> Yes, at the time it solved some problems
[20:31] <trebmuh> zequence, if you would enjoy a debian tester for it, please let me know
[20:31] <zequence> Now, it only adds realtime privilege, which is a problem on non audio distros
[20:31] <trebmuh> yep
[20:31] <zequence> trebmuh: I think you should be able to install it as is. Just get the deb and try it out
[20:32] <trebmuh> will do, but what are the current feature ? only PAM configuration ?
[20:32] <trebmuh> s/feature/features
[20:32] <zequence> Yes, but it will detect if you are using something else - in which case it will not allow you to make changes to PAM
[20:32] <zequence> Actually, that and adding/removing users from audio group
[20:33] <trebmuh> ok