[06:18] <pitti> Good morning
[07:27] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:27] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! ça va ?
[07:27] <seb128> hey pitti! ça va bien ! et toi ?
[07:27] <pitti> seb128: moi aussi, merci !
[07:28] <seb128> c'est vendredi !
[07:28] <RAOF> Aloha robert_ancell!
[07:29] <pitti> seb128: can you approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/convergence-y-replace-upstart for yakkety ?
[07:29] <robert_ancell> RAOF, heyho
[07:29] <seb128> pitti, done
[07:29] <seb128> hey RAOF
[07:30] <RAOF> Yo seb128!
[07:36] <pitti> seb128: merci
[08:12] <seb128> attente, Laney, 77c2347dde65c62336b612d91a32b9cf06cf66a7
[08:13] <Laney> can you share the command plz?
[08:13] <seb128> $ git log --full-history src/gs-app.c
[08:13] <seb128> and looked at commits around the date you had earlier
[08:47] <qengho> popey: How are you downloading snap packages every day? I overheard, but didn't get the details. wget?
[08:48] <popey> a magical script
[08:49] <popey> which just hits the store API and yanks everything it sees
[08:49] <popey> its a shame the snaps don't have sane names for the .snap files :(
[08:50] <popey> "AXQwkeqxpsWVOF2kUsgT6zJKVW8H9NIm_14.snap"
[08:50] <qengho> popey: right. What agent downloads? curl? wget? python?
[08:50] <popey> a shonky python script
[08:51] <qengho> popey: thank!
[08:51] <qengho> s
[08:51] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16124050/
[08:52] <duflu> Sounds in keeping "with snaps are very different to debs"
[08:59] <qengho> popey: I don't know the word "shonky", but I shall interpret it as "pretty good" because that program is. Thanks.
[09:40]  * willcooke -> airport
[10:30] <Guest22848> Hej gdzie moge znalezc katalog w ktorym domyslnie zostal zmontowany telefon (ubuntu 15.10)
[11:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html
[11:37] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[11:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not bad thanks
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> I see you've had a lot of fun this week ;)
[11:39] <seb128> we had some
[11:39] <seb128> but yeah, team dinner was great
[11:39] <seb128> we had plenty to eat and drink (even too much) and we just hit the per-diem
[11:40] <chrisccoulson> Nice :)
[12:01] <seb128> Laney, bug #1576539 ... that's what I was mentioning with upgrades issues with gconf
[12:02] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 has sort others
[12:03] <FJKong_> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16125148/
[12:10] <seb128> FJKong_, happyaron, it's bug #1570817
[12:16] <happyaron> I see
[12:17] <seb128> happyaron, want to do a SRU for it? I can sponsor it
[12:17] <happyaron> sure, will do
[12:17] <seb128> just makes libjpeg-progs Conflicts on libjpeg-turbo-progs
[12:18] <seb128> the conflicts was added the other way around
[12:18] <seb128> but it only works if the later is updated first
[12:27] <happyaron> seb128: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/257060860/libjpeg9_9b-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:30] <seb128> happyaron, should be a Conflicts and not a Breaks
[12:31] <seb128> also I'm unsure the Replaces is needed in those case?
[12:31] <seb128> (doesn't hurt though)
[12:31] <happyaron> seb128: following https://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package it should be Breaks not Conflicts (was informed quite some time ago saying that would help apt to solve deps..)
[12:32] <happyaron> but if you think Conflicts is better I can change that
[12:32] <seb128> you are not renaming a package
[12:32] <happyaron> ok
[12:33] <seb128> happyaron, https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-conflicts
[12:33] <seb128>  Conflicts should be used
[12:33] <seb128>     when two packages provide the same file and will continue to do so,
[12:33] <happyaron> ok
[12:33] <seb128> thanks :-)
[12:34] <happyaron> seb128: updated https://launchpadlibrarian.net/257062842/libjpeg9_9b-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:34] <seb128> happyaron, looks good, thanks
[12:34] <seb128> :-)
[13:14] <seb128> happyaron, uploaded
[13:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien! How important is ISO size these days? Asking because of bug #1575555, comment #10.
[13:15] <happyaron> seb128: thanks!
[13:15] <seb128> happyaron, thank you for providing the diff ;-)
[13:16] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Any thoughts on that bug ^ ?
[13:16] <seb128> GunnarHj, it's a cost/benefit balance, we don't have strict limit but making them bigger has an impact on mirrors, downloads, install time, etc
[13:16] <happyaron> GunnarHj: for me it would be nice to include all of them, but as you are asking, the size could be a problem
[13:17] <seb128> GunnarHj, the 372mb deb is not something we want
[13:17] <happyaron> GunnarHj: we might rebuild the fonts from scratch, like what Fedora is doing
[13:18] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Would that make them smaller?
[13:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, why did you had a policykit-desktop-privileges part to the hibernate bug?
[13:19] <happyaron> nope, but seems they did some trick to make the individual files work better for them
[13:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: Because of your comment. ;) Did I misunderstand?
[13:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, I pointed as the diff for reference, I think the documentation just need to update the list of actions to be the same that is used there
[13:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, I was pointing to the change done in the profile for reference, I don't think anything more need changing on that side
[13:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, you need to update the documentation to include the other actions
[13:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Are you saying that both files need to be changed? Also the one outside of /etc?
[13:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, no, I'm saying that /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla on https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html should have a
[13:21] <seb128> - Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate;org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions
[13:21] <GunnarHj> happyaron: The individual files seem to work fine already. The size is the problem.
[13:21] <seb128> + Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate;org.freedesktop.login1.handle-hibernate-key;org.freedesktop.login1;org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions;org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-ignore-inhibit
[13:22] <seb128> GunnarHj, can you try to have that actions list ^ in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla and see if it works?
[13:23] <GunnarHj> seb128: Unfortunately not - hibernation doesn't work on my box. But I can ask the bug reporter.
[13:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, well no need of working hibernation to see if the menu item is there?
[13:25] <GunnarHj> seb128: True. Will try later. Thanks!
[13:26] <GunnarHj> seb128: Are those 300 MiB a definitive no-go? (It would be possible to drop Korean in 16.04, but it would still be a 200+ MiB addition.
[13:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, I don't think that's reasonable
[13:27] <seb128> we can make language selector pull those at installation time though if you are online
[13:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, that's what I exepected. Well, the problem is that the package is already seeded in all flavors,.
[13:28] <seb128> we can split it?
[13:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: It's needed on the installer too. (But not for Chrome OTOH hand...)
[13:29] <seb128> I don't have a good answer to that
[13:29] <seb128> sorry :-/
[13:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: I think a split is worth considering. happyaron?
[13:30] <seb128> seems like yes
[13:30] <happyaron> agrees
[13:32] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Could we stick with e.g. "Regular", "Light" and "Bold" for JP, SC and TC on the installer?
[13:40] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1551028 still on your todolist/something you plan to look at?
[13:40] <seb128> seems concerning if it's a LTS SRU regression
[13:40] <seb128> we should at least try to understand it
[14:01] <tjaalton> seb128: i haven't had time
[14:14] <seb128> tjaalton, k :-(
[14:18] <tjaalton> there should be nothing special in the lts stack itself that would make it crash
[14:18] <tjaalton> works in xenial fwiw
[14:20] <seb128> yeah, maybe it's a local problem/specific to the config
[14:20] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks for the comment on that accountsservice bug
[14:22] <mdeslaur> seb128: np
[14:32] <happyaron> seb128: mind sponsor this? the failure could be a problem of my running kernel, rebooting solved the problem. https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6379161/+listing-archive-extra
[14:33] <happyaron> (and in that link the red cross is just fail to upload)
[14:33] <seb128> right, I saw that
[14:33] <seb128> wonder why
[14:34] <happyaron> I deleted the previous test build, but probably not completed yet
[14:34] <seb128> happyaron, unsure also if we need to update the plugins at the same time
[14:34] <happyaron> guess we need
[14:35] <happyaron> anyway looking at that already
[14:35] <seb128> yeah
[14:35] <seb128> I wonder if we should change the version
[14:36] <seb128> ubuntu16.04.1  to ubuntu0.16.04.1
[14:36] <seb128> to be < ubuntu1
[14:36] <happyaron> ok
[14:36] <happyaron> yep
[14:36] <seb128> I can do that
[14:36] <seb128> no need to reupload
[14:36] <happyaron> ty!
[14:36] <seb128> oh
[14:37] <seb128> you need a SRU bug
[14:37] <happyaron> what about y series
[14:37] <happyaron> doing
[14:37] <seb128> I can upload that as 0ubuntu1
[14:37] <happyaron> ok
[14:42] <happyaron> seb128: bug #1576726
[14:43] <happyaron> seb128: shall we use the same bug for the applet package?
[14:44] <a1fa> does anyone have issues with ALT+TAB, selecting a window, and that window not being pulled to the front? it alwasy almost happens with GNOME TERMINAL :)
[14:47] <seb128> happyaron, yes
[14:48] <qengho_> a1fa: I have seen it when typing right before or right after, not sure which. What environment do you use?  ubuntu (unity)? gnome3?
[14:48] <a1fa> Unity 7.4, this bug has been around for a while
[14:48] <a1fa> its so hard to reproduce, but i think it only affets gnome terminal afaik
[14:50] <seb128> happyaron, you need a testcase in the description
[14:50] <seb128> happyaron, nothing specific to test there but maybe mention to test connecting to eth, wifi, vpn and see if things work normally
[14:51] <happyaron> ty, was wondering about what to write when seeing the template..
[14:53] <happyaron> updated
[14:53] <seb128> thanks
[14:53] <seb128> uploaded to yakkety
[14:53] <happyaron> thanks
[14:55] <GunnarHj> seb128, happyaron: Back to fonts-noto-cjk: Would it be possible to let fonts-noto-cjk *depend* on e.g. fonts-noto-cjk-extra, even if the latter is not included on the ISO?
[14:55] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, is the former included on the cd?
[14:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes. Actually I meant recommend.
[14:56] <seb128> no
[14:56] <seb128> we install recommends by default
[14:56] <happyaron> GunnarHj: Recommends + l-s
[14:56] <seb128> so it would get pulled on the iso
[14:56] <happyaron> we can filter that out I guess
[14:56] <happyaron> * (fonts-noto-cjk)
[14:57] <happyaron> at least we can include it in pkg_depends first, what do you think?
[14:58] <GunnarHj> happyaron: pkg_depends is of course not a problem. But all users don't start l-s the first thing they do after install.
[14:59] <GunnarHj> happyaron: But do you have an idea about which font files would be required in fonts-noto-cjk?
[15:00] <happyaron> GunnarHj: what do you mean by that
[15:01] <GunnarHj> happyaron: We want Chinese (and Japanese) be visible at installation, right?
[15:02] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Repeating my above question: Could we stick with e.g. "Regular", "Light" and "Bold" for JP, SC and TC on the installer?
[15:02] <happyaron> guess we want every language we support to be visible at installation... fonts-noto is now the only font on CD that supports every language...
[15:03] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Right. But we probably don't need all the font weights. Hence my question.
[15:04] <happyaron> ah understand now
[15:04] <happyaron> I think what you proposed would be enough
[15:06] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Ok, so should I proceed along those lines? fonts-noto-cjk installes that reduced list of fonts, and the rest in fonts-noto-cjk-extra. The latter is suggested by fonts-noto-cjk and pulled by pkg_depends.
[15:07] <happyaron> I'm fine with it. what do you think seb128?
[15:08] <seb128> works for me as well
[15:09] <GunnarHj> seb128, happyaron: Getting back with a proposal, then.
[15:11] <happyaron> seb128: the applet: https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6379293/+listing-archive-extra
[15:13] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[15:14] <happyaron> well I'm also maintaining ocserv, the server implementation of cisco anyconnect protocol. looks openconnect is on my plate as well?
[15:15] <seb128> yes
[15:15] <seb128> happyaron, ideally you would update n-m-*
[15:15] <happyaron> ok
[15:15] <seb128> openconnect/openvpn/pptp/vpnc
[15:15] <seb128> but probably for next week
[15:16] <seb128> we should wrap that week/sprint now ;-)
[15:16] <happyaron> yep
[15:17] <Laney> seb128 is going to give a motivational speech
[19:20] <a1fa> is unity8 package a rolling update in 16.04?