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[00:13] <bazhang> #HURD
[00:15] <IdleOne> The tavern
[00:15] <IdleOne> /bar/pub
[00:17] <genii> heh, bazhang
[07:06] <dax> 07:05 < dchapman> dax: Ah, I was using the -d switch. Mystery solved.
[07:06] <dax> ugh
[07:07] <dax> can they just, like, rename -d to --devel and add a --i-dont-want-devel-i-just-want-the-latest-lts option
[07:07] <dax> i am so tired of people not knowing what -d does
[07:07] <dax> every. single. release.
[07:07] <dax> yet another reason update-manager is ridiculous and Debian does this better
[07:08] <Unit193> update-manager cleans up after upgrade.
[07:08] <dax> i could go with "maybe people shouldn't break crap in the first place", but then we'll end up disagreeing about PPAs or something
[07:09] <dax> or about how ridiculous metapackage behavior is by default these days, since it messes with that too
[07:11] <Unit193> Eh, I'm not the most fond of metapackages, they do weird things.  I like tasks.  I didn't disagree about update-manager, though yes I do (most of the time) use it to release jump. :P
[07:11] <dax> they used to be significantly less weird before some dingus decided that removing them should mark their dependants as manually installed
[07:11] <dax> anyway
[07:11] <dax> it's bed time
[07:11]  * dax flies away
[07:12] <Unit193> I looked to file a bug for lts-to-lts jumping, there were already some related that could likely have been co-opted.
[09:46] <k1l> when did #ubuntu turn into ##windows with everyone just telling to reinstall?
[11:14] <hep7> hello
[18:45] <k1l> [zrkadlo] (~zrkadlo@185.25.248.171): realname  and [mohg] (~mohg@185.25.248.171): realname  both doing the "yo guys, what is grub" game
[18:46] <bazhang> sockenpupets?
[18:47] <bazhang> or just classmates
[18:48] <k1l> something is dubious