[00:13] where would you go to talk to canonical employees? [00:13] #HURD [00:15] The tavern [00:15] /bar/pub [00:17] heh, bazhang === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy [04:12] totem called the ops in #ubuntu (allahuakbar) [04:12] somsip called the ops in #ubuntu () === downtime is now known as e [07:06] 07:05 < dchapman> dax: Ah, I was using the -d switch. Mystery solved. [07:06] ugh [07:07] can they just, like, rename -d to --devel and add a --i-dont-want-devel-i-just-want-the-latest-lts option [07:07] i am so tired of people not knowing what -d does [07:07] every. single. release. [07:07] yet another reason update-manager is ridiculous and Debian does this better [07:08] update-manager cleans up after upgrade. [07:08] i could go with "maybe people shouldn't break crap in the first place", but then we'll end up disagreeing about PPAs or something [07:09] or about how ridiculous metapackage behavior is by default these days, since it messes with that too [07:11] Eh, I'm not the most fond of metapackages, they do weird things. I like tasks. I didn't disagree about update-manager, though yes I do (most of the time) use it to release jump. :P [07:11] they used to be significantly less weird before some dingus decided that removing them should mark their dependants as manually installed [07:11] anyway [07:11] it's bed time [07:11] * dax flies away [07:12] I looked to file a bug for lts-to-lts jumping, there were already some related that could likely have been co-opted. [09:46] when did #ubuntu turn into ##windows with everyone just telling to reinstall? [11:14] hello [11:44] In #ubuntu, kalamsa said: ubottu you think prayer is a joke? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:45] [zrkadlo] (~zrkadlo@185.25.248.171): realname and [mohg] (~mohg@185.25.248.171): realname both doing the "yo guys, what is grub" game [18:46] sockenpupets? [18:47] or just classmates [18:48] something is dubious