[01:36] <kulelu88> .
[05:11] <Kilos> morning all
[05:24] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos
[05:27] <Kilos> winter in africa
[05:27]  * Kilos shivering
[05:35] <paddatrapper> I quite enjoy it, though it could be warmer!
[05:36] <Kilos> you lucky
[05:36] <Kilos> im only comfy at 20°c and above
[05:46] <paddatrapper> I'd love Zim teamperatures with CT climate
[05:51] <Kilos> wb theblazehen 
[05:52] <theblazehen> ty Kilos. 
[05:52] <theblazehen> Dunno what happened for me to leave
[05:52] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:04] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy inetpro 
[06:07] <inetpro> oh yeah and good mornings to you as well oom Kilos
[06:07] <inetpro> oops, did I say morning even?
[06:07] <Kilos> lol
[06:07] <Kilos> and oom
[06:07] <Kilos> sigh
[06:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[06:07] <inetpro> good $daytime to everyone else
[06:08] <Kilos> nippy on the boney today hey
[06:08] <inetpro> no man, dis lekker so
[06:08] <Kilos> do peeps still say boney for small bikes
[06:09] <Kilos> i hope maia is ok inetpro she hasngt answered mails
[06:09] <Kilos> we need to get an ordr in for sticks
[06:10] <Kilos> maybe superfly must investigate
[06:13] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[06:14] <theblazehen> hi thatgraemeguy, inetpro, Wolfeyes
[06:16] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos, thatgraemeguy
[06:16] <Wolfeyes> hey theblazehen
[06:16] <Kilos> dont forget inetpro 
[06:16] <Kilos> he sulks
[06:16] <Wolfeyes> hey inetpro
[06:16] <Wolfeyes> lol
[06:20] <theblazehen> hey Langjan
[06:20] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[06:20] <Langjan> Hi Kilos , sorry we are doing some other urgent things, can I connect with you a bit later?
[06:20] <Maaz> Langjan: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell Langjan https://bin.snyman.info/mmmv2bs4" 18 hours, 30 minutes and 24 seconds ago
[06:20] <Maaz> Langjan: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Langjan when you do your monthly payments set one of them to fax you your confirmation of payment once every two or three months to keep your fax facility up and running" 11 hours, 20 minutes and 41 seconds ago
[06:20] <Kilos> yessir
[06:20] <Langjan> ok thks
[06:41] <mazal> Morning
[06:49] <mazal> maaz tell tinuvamac The workaround with apt update in root's cron works sharp thanx
[06:49] <Maaz> mazal: Sure, I'll tell TinuvaMac on freenode
[06:49] <mazal> maaz tell magespawn The workaround with apt update in root's cron works sharp thanx
[06:49] <Maaz> mazal: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[06:49] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:49] <mazal> More oom
[06:50] <mazal> Slowly but surely getting there oom
[06:51] <Kilos> good
[06:51] <mazal> Most things things that didn't work had been fixed/workedaround
[06:51] <mazal> Wow check that word , my typing/spelling is dangerous
[06:51] <Kilos> np
[06:52] <mazal> Just some alternate app searches left
[07:02]  * mazal fiddles
[07:08] <mazal> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/162860-the-best-adsl-service-provider-in-south-africa.html
[07:08] <mazal> Now why does last place not surprise me in the least
[07:16] <mazal> Oh oom Kilos , I forgot to tell you something interesting I found here
[07:17] <mazal> Remember how I could never hear my audio on thi pc on 14.04 , now on 16.04 audio is working way better. I can actually hear what's going on.
[07:25] <theblazehen> mazal: It was distorted right?
[07:26] <mazal> No just so soft that it was like not having audio at all
[07:28] <Kilos> why didnt you guys greet noobie
[07:28] <Kilos> i was fetching sheep
[07:28] <Kilos> happy your sound sorted mazal 
[07:28] <Kilos> rugby time now now
[07:28] <theblazehen> Aww, missed him :(
[07:29] <mazal> Kilos, who is playing ?
[07:29] <Kilos> sharks/chiefs
[07:30] <mazal> I haven't had tv so long don't even know what's going on in sport
[07:34] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/wwuEthD my back hurts from the small font size now :(
[07:34] <theblazehen> hi TinuvaMac
[07:35] <theblazehen> hey Langjan
[07:35] <Kilos> rugby Langjan 
[07:35] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  just backing up whats on the sticks
[07:35] <Langjan> ok enjoy
[07:35] <Kilos> ok
[08:01] <Kilos> wen jy Langjan 
[08:08] <Langjan> kyk maar eers klaar, wats die telling?
[08:09] <Kilos> 15/10  vir hulle
[08:09] <Kilos> ai!
[08:15] <superfly> wow theblazehen, that's tiny
[08:16] <theblazehen> superfly: Yeah :( Went to 8 pt again now thoguh
[08:16] <theblazehen> though*
[08:21] <Kilos> half time Langjan 
[08:26] <Langjan> Yeah 15-15, they need a kicker
[08:29] <Langjan> Sorry theblazehen I missed your hi, hi there
[08:29] <Kilos> second half
[08:45] <Langjan> A side that keeps kicking possession away like the sharks are doing, does not deserve to win
[09:16] <Langjan> Well-deserved loss by Sharks, eish!
[09:17] <Langjan> You there Kilos? 
[09:22] <Langjan> Error synchronizing after initial wipe: Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark, 0)
[09:22] <Kilos> here
[09:23] <Langjan> hi
[09:23] <Kilos> you used disks?
[09:23] <Kilos> formay to fat
[09:23] <Langjan> yes, same result on both sticks
[09:23] <Kilos> did you use disks from the bash
[09:24] <Kilos> the disk utility
[09:24] <Langjan> ?
[09:24] <Kilos> type in disks in the dash
[09:24] <Langjan> No fat option
[09:24] <Kilos> that will should stick
[09:24] <Kilos> for all systems i tink
[09:25] <Langjan> tried for all systems
[09:25] <Langjan> result above for both sticks
[09:25] <Kilos> and that gives the errors
[09:25] <Kilos> maybe sticks messed up 
[09:25] <Kilos> try gparte
[09:25] <Kilos> d
[09:25] <Langjan> looks like
[09:26] <Langjan> partition editor or partition manager?
[09:26] <Langjan> gparted
[09:27] <Kilos> tick on partition
[09:27] <Kilos> that wilfirst make sure you choose the stick
[09:27] <Kilos> once stick highlighted then tick partition
[09:28] <Langjan> do I install gparted partition manager or gparted partition editor?
[09:28] <Kilos> gparted
[09:28] <Kilos> ive never had to choos
[09:28] <Langjan> editor or manager? lees jy nie joungmAN?
[09:28] <Kilos> lol
[09:29] <Langjan> there are two gparted apps
[09:29] <Langjan> which one?
[09:29] <Kilos> did you run sudo apt install gparted
[09:29] <Langjan> no
[09:29] <Kilos> do that
[09:29] <Langjan> looked in software
[09:30] <Langjan> installing..
[09:31] <Langjan> tick which partition?
[09:32] <Kilos> on the right top
[09:32] <Kilos> will show drives
[09:32] <Kilos> tick that arrow
[09:32] <Kilos> choose stick
[09:32] <Kilos> sdc or something
[09:33] <Langjan> stick there long ago, theres a few partition places, which one?
[09:33] <Kilos> wait
[09:33] <Kilos> what partitions you see on stick
[09:34] <Kilos> should be just one partition
[09:34] <Langjan> places where to click on partition, not partitions
[09:34] <Kilos> what does stick show as
[09:35] <Kilos> you have to be careful with gparted
[09:35] <Kilos> you tick wrong thing you drive is gone
[09:35] <Langjan> dev/sdb and dev sdc
[09:36] <Kilos> oh shows both
[09:36] <Kilos> ok choose sdc first
[09:36] <Langjan> yes I have them both in different usb's
[09:36] <Kilos> what does it show now
[09:36] <Langjan> dev sdc fat32
[09:37] <Kilos> tick on it to highlight
[09:37] <Kilos> then partitions at the top
[09:37] <Kilos> popup will show options
[09:38] <Langjan> then? waiting...
[09:38] <Kilos> are you with me?
[09:38] <Kilos> yay
[09:38] <Kilos> ok tick delete
[09:38] <Langjan> done
[09:39] <Kilos> then partitions again and choose create
[09:39] <Langjan> new
[09:39] <Kilos> yes
[09:39] <Kilos> soory i forgot it says new
[09:39] <Kilos> and tick format
[09:40] <Langjan> no format option, only create
[09:40] <Kilos> all systems or fat32
[09:40] <Kilos> create
[09:40] <Langjan> as primary or extended?
[09:40] <Kilos> wait
[09:41] <Kilos> you on the stick hey
[09:41] <Langjan> yes
[09:41] <Kilos> primary is good
[09:41] <Langjan> ok done
[09:41] <Kilos> now tick partitions
[09:41] <Kilos> and format
[09:42] <Langjan> format to?
[09:42] <Kilos> fat32
[09:42] <Kilos> or all systems
[09:43] <Langjan> make up your mind sooner, too late for tears
[09:43] <Kilos> lol
[09:43] <Kilos> i dont member what shows man
[09:43] <Kilos> if it shows fat32 choose it
[09:43] <Kilos> if not then choose all systems
[09:44] <Langjan> ok created fat32
[09:44] <Langjan> now test?
[09:44] <Kilos> has it formatted yet
[09:44] <Langjan> yes
[09:44] <Kilos> ok test it
[09:45] <Kilos> you can even use disks to check
[09:45] <Langjan> ok just need to check which one it is
[09:45] <Kilos> see if you still get same error
[09:45] <Kilos> unplug other one man
[09:45] <Langjan> which one man?
[09:45] <Langjan> let me sort them out first
[09:45] <Kilos> the one you havent formatted
[09:45] <Kilos> sdb
[09:46] <Kilos> i always work on one thing at a time
[09:47] <Langjan> unable to mount
[09:47] <Kilos> oh here is another thing you can install by you
[09:47] <Kilos> oh
[09:47] <Kilos> what size stick
[09:47] <Langjan> 8gb
[09:48] <Kilos> have you access to a windows machine
[09:48] <Langjan> yes
[09:48] <Kilos> plug it in there and choose format
[09:49] <Langjan> ok I need to start it but also have to arrange some wages for a guy in Mozambique, can you give me 20 minutes?
[09:49] <Kilos> you must tell win peeps to use the safely remove option before unplugging sticks
[09:50] <Langjan> he uses Ubuntu
[09:50] <Kilos> ok i go do some chores
[09:50] <Kilos> also use safely remove
[09:50] <Langjan> ok
[09:50] <Kilos> right click safely remove
[09:50] <Kilos> when its shows in the dash
[09:51] <Kilos> some things say eject
[09:51] <Langjan> I always do but not sure about my pal, will tell him. chat a bit later then
[09:51] <Kilos> ok
[10:24] <Langjan> ok Kilos thks, both formatted and working
[10:24] <Langjan> looks like Win 7 is better than Ubuntu...
[10:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:25] <Kilos> just remember to tell peeps about the safely remove option
[10:26] <Kilos> especially on windows. it crashes sticks quick if they just pulled out
[10:29] <Langjan> Now I'm converted to Windows...
[10:29] <Kilos> hahah enjoy
[10:30] <Kilos> ill wait for you to come back crying
[10:30] <Langjan> Just took a spanking new Dell Inspiron 15 series 3000 out its box 
[10:31]  * mazal hands Langjan 1 bullet
[10:31] <Langjan> P&G digital Pta did not want to supply with ubuntu so owner wants to dual boot
[10:31] <Kilos> you are spoiled
[10:31] <Langjan> you see any complicatins?
[10:31] <Langjan> yes by you
[10:31] <Kilos> should be fine
[10:32] <Langjan> ok thks, gonna roll some balls that run skew this afternoon, maybe check you tomorrow
[10:33] <Langjan> mazal, I bit the bullet
[10:33] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:33] <Langjan> thks
[10:33] <Kilos> you know where to find us
[10:33] <mazal> oom Langjan , you gonna need it
[10:33] <Langjan> yes, in meetings or by the rugby...lmga
[10:33] <Kilos> lol
[10:33] <Langjan> need what mazal ?
[10:34] <mazal> That bullet
[10:34] <mazal> I would have given a match , but Winbloze don't burn
[10:34] <Langjan> for billy hekkies?
[10:34] <mazal> yeah
[10:35] <Langjan> well Win 7 had to help out when Ubuntu could not format a little stick or two...
[10:35] <Langjan> shame
[10:35] <Langjan> !
[10:35] <mazal> oom Kilos , I just recived mail of the special this weekend ! yummy , let's see
[10:35] <Langjan> special on win 10?
[10:36] <Kilos> ai!
[10:36] <inetpro> ai!
[10:36] <Langjan> hi inetpro hoesit?
[10:36] <Kilos> he is a gaming addict
[10:36] <inetpro> hoekom sukkel on so? :-)
[10:36] <Kilos> and shopaholic
[10:36] <inetpro> good and yourself Langjan
[10:37] <Langjan> also good thks, especially when I discovered win 7 can help where ubuntu fails... 
[10:37] <Kilos> compulsive shopper Langjan 
[10:38] <Langjan> and Kilos put me on that track - rebels among us!
[10:38] <Kilos> the work specail knocks his brain into shopping mode
[10:38] <Kilos> use whatever tools work
[10:39] <mazal> Now that was utterly disspointing
[10:39] <Kilos> not often sticks pack up
[10:39] <mazal> I have 3 platforms and not one have something on special I like
[10:39] <Kilos> yay
[10:39] <mazal> :(
[10:39] <Kilos> credit card rests
[10:39] <Langjan> that pal of mine breaks things better than I can
[10:39] <Kilos> lol
[10:39] <mazal> Kilos, I see broken down sticks almost every day
[10:39] <Langjan> but think his grandson did it
[10:39] <mazal> Not realiable at all
[10:40] <Langjan> I have not seen one in years
[10:40] <Kilos> i have seen one that cant be recovered mazal 
[10:40] <Langjan> if at all
[10:40] <Kilos> havent
[10:40] <mazal> The one's I see break down can't even be seen by the pc let alone be recovered
[10:40] <Kilos> lol
[10:41] <mazal> Nethier winbloze nor Ubuntu even see the device
[10:41] <Kilos> easy come , easy go
[10:41] <Kilos> testdisk should see it
[10:41] <Langjan> ok guys see you later, as soon as I get xchat working on my new windows install...
[10:41] <mazal> neither*
[10:41] <Kilos> cheers Langjan 
[10:41]  * mazal glares at Langjan
[10:41] <Langjan> mooi loop
[10:41] <Langjan> lmga
[10:41] <Kilos> jy ook oom
[10:42] <Langjan> en lekker naweek
[10:42] <Langjan> dankie
[10:42] <mazal> it took Kilos 2 years to get me off winbloze at home now oom goes there , ai
[10:42] <Kilos> no man
[10:42] <Langjan> never in your life, lmga
[10:42] <Kilos> he is doing a dual boot for someone else
[10:43] <mazal> I haven't done that since 08\
[10:43] <mazal> '08*
[10:43] <mazal> Hate dual boot
[10:43] <Langjan> He wanted to buy with 14.04 preloaded, deler would not...eish!
[10:43] <Langjan> dealer
[10:43] <Langjan> why?
[10:43] <mazal> Lot's of issues
[10:43] <Langjan> never had issues on my wifes machine
[10:44] <Langjan> win 7 factory install, ubuntu 14.04 dual boot only a pleasure
[10:44] <Kilos> best is squeeze win into first 50g and then linux the rest of it
[10:44] <Kilos> oh
[10:44] <mazal> Oh now you see what happens when I look at specials , I forgot the server's backup is finished
[10:44] <Langjan> why so much for win?
[10:44] <Kilos> and turn off all win updates
[10:45] <Langjan> ok gotta go, cheers guys, ubuntu bo!
[10:45] <Kilos> hehe
[10:46] <Kilos> gaan speel toppie
[10:46] <Langjan> seriously mazal you recommend not to go that way, dual boot?
[10:46] <Langjan> My dual is on desktop, is issues with laptop?
[10:47] <mazal> Is a personal preference of mine Langjan , if you don't have problems with it go for it. 
[10:47] <Langjan> ok will see how it goes, thks
[10:48] <Kilos> man dont listen to a gamer
[10:48] <Kilos> ai!
[10:48] <mazal> Ok server back up , sorry users :P
[10:48] <Kilos> lol
[10:49] <mazal> Fortunately it's Friday afternoon so nobody working anyway
[10:54] <mazal> I'm lucky with my dealer. When I buy I can specify " No OS "
[10:55] <mazal> In desktops anyway , laptops not
[10:55] <mazal> Hey Kilos I have an idea
[11:00] <Kilos> ?
[11:01] <mazal> nvm
[11:15] <mazal> maaz tell langjan http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-1404-dual-boot-mode-windows-8-81-uefi/
[11:15] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[11:27] <Kilos> i dual booted 14.04 on win7 here on this lappy when i got it and it worked finew
[11:29] <mazal> The UEFI and Secure boot thing of Win 8+ can cuase headaches. From what I read
[11:30] <mazal> Haven't needed to do it myself. Last time I did it was Win XP days
[11:31] <Kilos> i dont even know if uefi was involved here
[11:31] <Kilos> install just worked
[11:37] <mazal> I used a different way for a while. Installed ubuntu on external hdd. Worked great as your OS and apps went where youu went. But performance wise very slow
[11:37] <mazal> Even on USB3
[11:37] <mazal> Barry still does it till today though
[11:38] <Kilos> starnge usb3 is slow
[11:38] <Kilos> strange
[11:38] <mazal> Not really
[11:38] <mazal> Internal drive is faster
[11:38] <Kilos>  " I love usb3 .. just did a speed test for guy on Linux Europe.... 47 GB iso file...... 6 seconds. "
[11:39] <Kilos> thas not slow at all
[11:39] <mazal> Yeah in copying data terms is fine
[11:39] <mazal> But running OS from it is slower than internal
[11:40] <Kilos> ah
[11:40] <mazal> Well for the first bit anyway
[11:40] <mazal> Once all apps is open and running it is not big difference. But the booting and opening of apps is slower
[11:40] <Kilos> ok
[11:42] <mazal> But it's nice having your axact same stuff at work and at home the whole time. I worked like that for more than a year I think
[11:42] <mazal> And could leave the Winbloze pc alone for it's games
[11:42] <Kilos> yes
[11:44] <mazal> But with SSD at home machine now I won't even concider USB3 for my OS
[11:45] <Kilos> ssd actually lekker fast
[11:45] <Kilos> im happy this one is still going
[11:45] <mazal> I can now actually for the first time test it properly. My home pc and work pc has exact same OS and apps. But this one is HDD
[11:46] <mazal> And home faster for sure.
[11:46] <mazal> And home one has slower CPU actually. This one i7 , home on I5
[11:50] <mazal> Now I crave a tjoklit
[11:50] <mazal> maaz do you have tjoklits ?
[11:50] <Maaz> mazal: I already know stuff about do you
[11:51] <mazal> And all our shops closed :(
[11:55] <Kilos> ai! dont talk about those things
[11:55] <mazal> why ?
[11:55] <Kilos> you make my mouth cry
[11:55] <mazal> Ok I'll nibble on a cookie instead
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:58]  * mazal schedules weekend plans
[11:59] <Kilos> no shopping
[11:59] <mazal> Cancelled my shopping plan of tomorrow
[11:59] <mazal> I remembered it's end of the month
[11:59] <mazal> Then it's too busy there
[12:00] <mazal> But.............there is always digital stores lol
[12:00] <Kilos> go read what chuck says
[12:00] <mazal> Who is chuck ?
[12:01] <Kilos> sec
[12:01] <mazal> I only know chucky the crazy doll
[12:02] <Kilos> cant copy link
[12:02] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:03] <Kilos> ill mail it to you
[12:03] <mazal> Gaan hy met my raas ? Dan wil ek dit nie lees nie
[12:03] <Kilos> nee man
[12:04] <mazal> That is a lot of big words
[12:05] <Kilos> yes
[12:05] <Kilos> read instead of shopping
[12:06]  * mazal don't read
[12:06] <Kilos> theh spend some time learning to read
[12:07] <Kilos> either way will save you money
[12:07]  * mazal too old to learn
[12:07] <mazal> hahahaha
[12:11] <theblazehen> I hate SSL / TLS :(
[12:11] <mazal> Hi theblazehen
[12:12] <theblazehen> hey mazal. How's things?
[12:12] <mazal> okish thanx
[12:25] <mazal> almost home time . bye for now
[12:25] <Kilos> cheers
[12:25] <Kilos> ai!
[12:44] <chesedo> Afternoon all
[12:54] <Kilos> hi chesedo- 
[12:55] <chesedo> Kilos: have you slept better?
[12:56] <Kilos> last night 9 hours
[12:56] <Kilos> and wash asleep now and missed half the bulls match
[12:56] <Kilos> sigh
[13:40] <arts> hey everyone
[13:40] <superfly> sup arts
[13:40] <superfly> haven't seen you in a while
[13:41] <Kilos> hi arts 
[13:41] <arts> yeah been up to my neck in work,haha how are you superfly 
[13:42] <arts> hi Kilos how are you
[13:42] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[13:42] <superfly> arts: can't complain, I leave that to Kilos. Also been busy with work, DebConf and all my usual other stuff
[13:42] <Kilos> haha
[13:42] <Kilos> when do i complain superfly 
[13:43] <arts> superfly, DebConf?
 and wash asleep now and missed half the bulls match
 sigh
[13:43] <Kilos> lol
[13:43] <superfly> arts: https://debconf16.debconf.org/
[13:46] <arts> awesome sauce!
[14:29] <paddatrapper> Weekend!
[14:29] <Kilos> haha
[14:29] <Kilos> do you come online weekends paddatrapper 
[14:29] <Kilos> i forgot already
[14:30] <Kilos> oh and you can get a cloak for your ip address
[14:35] <arts_> superfly are you there?
[14:35] <Kilos> hes afk atm arts_ but will be back
[14:36] <Kilos> travelling home maybe
[14:37] <arts_> cool bannanas
[14:37] <arts_> thought you were in AU?
[14:37] <Kilos> nope still waiting for visa
[14:39] <paddatrapper> Kilos: weekend usually means unblocked wifi (so I can actually get weechat on my phone). And being able to sleep in a bit
[14:39] <Kilos> lol
[14:40] <Kilos> do you understand xml stuff
[14:40] <paddatrapper> Kinda. You use tags and stuff
[14:41] <Kilos> i have under taken a task but will need to set up a team to help
[14:41] <paddatrapper> Worked with it quite a lot when I was maintaining Java applications
[14:41] <paddatrapper> What does it entail?
[14:41] <Kilos> translation into afrikaans
[14:42] <Kilos> http://raisingphoenicia.com/localization
[14:42] <paddatrapper> Ah, cool
[14:42] <Kilos> i dont know if we do it onbline or copy that and set it up here
[14:43] <Kilos> online
[14:43] <Kilos> then we can distribute it to school kids i think
[14:43] <Kilos> maybe even pre primary schools
[14:44] <paddatrapper> Looks interesting!
[14:44] <Kilos> http://raisingphoenicia.com
[14:44] <Kilos> do you understand it?
[14:45] <Kilos> its just words and symbols to me
[14:45] <Kilos> hi Sxuza 
[14:47] <paddatrapper> Kilos: yeah I understand it
[14:47] <Kilos> yay
[14:47] <Kilos> must one download something
[14:47] <Kilos> we can pull in chesedo as well i hope
[14:48] <Sxuza> hey all 
[14:48] <Sxuza> hi Kilos  :)
[14:49] <paddatrapper> I'll have to have a look in more detail when I get home and find out
[14:49] <Kilos> cool ty
[14:52] <gremble> Good afternoon
[14:52] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[14:52] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[14:52] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[14:52] <gremble> I am well thank you
[14:53] <gremble> I never knew how useful a drop-down terminal could be
[14:53] <gremble> ubuntu mate has this really nice feature where you get a terminal by pressing f12 
[14:53] <Kilos> what is a dropdown terminal
[14:53] <gremble> It is always open, just hidden
[14:54] <gremble> It is a terminal that "drops down" from the top of your screen
[14:54] <Kilos> oh
[14:54] <Kilos> one can get it in kde as well but i didnt know what it was so didnt bother
[14:55] <Kilos> easy enough to open terminals here with ctrl+T
[15:02]  * chesedo is away from home this weekend Kilos 
[15:06] <Kilos> ok
[15:06] <Kilos> lol
[15:07] <Kilos> will catch you when you come back
[16:37] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Had a look at that localization - we need to create a "Locale Pack" that includes the xml manifest with word translations, ogg audio translations of words and visual images it seems
[16:38] <Kilos> haha paddatrapper say that in english
[16:38] <paddatrapper> So, yes, would need to download and work on it locally in a source tree and then submit it
[16:38] <Kilos> oh like merging when using bzr
[16:39] <paddatrapper> that manifest.xml file allows you to add text translations - bv. cat -> kat, then we need to record the audio clips - cat.ogg of a voice saying 'kat', and optionally textures if the word is seen on objects in the game
[16:40] <Kilos> holy smokes
[16:40] <Kilos> mike said its quite easy
[16:41] <paddatrapper> These all get kept together in the Locale Pack which we maintain like we would any other piece of software - launchpad perhaps? and submit it to them
[16:41] <Kilos> so its text words and audio as well
[16:41] <Kilos> i thought it was just text 
[16:42] <paddatrapper> It shouldn't be too difficult as the framework is already given. Looks like it is definitely the sound of each letter, don't know if it is each word as well
[16:42] <Kilos> but we can make a team, im sure we can get it done
[16:42] <Kilos> oh yes sounds
[16:43] <Kilos> will need sounds of the words as well i think
[16:44] <paddatrapper> Sure. I have the recording equipment, but not the accent.  can look around and find someone to be the voice actor
[16:44] <paddatrapper> Looking at it again - yes 1 recording for each word and 2 for letters - one for the name of the letter and one for it's sound
[16:45] <Kilos> whew
[16:46] <Kilos> you think we can do it paddatrapper 
[16:46] <paddatrapper> I reckon so :D
[16:47] <Kilos> yay we get superfly to say the words
[16:47] <paddatrapper> Good idea
[16:48] <Kilos> he can swim across the vlei to you
[16:48] <Kilos> hehe
[16:49] <Kilos> we will have to hear if he can pronounce afrikaans words properly
[16:50] <paddatrapper> Hehe. Probably does better than me!
[16:50]  * paddatrapper klink soos 'n vrot Nederlander
[16:50] <Kilos> haha
[16:51] <Kilos> there are many of the guys in that area
[16:51] <Kilos> oh ill mail nuvolari 
[16:51] <paddatrapper> Awesome
[16:51] <Kilos> he has been slacking here since he moved to CT
[16:54] <paddatrapper> Lol. What do you expect? CT is nice and laidback
[16:55] <Kilos> mailed him
[16:56] <pavlushka> maaz tell Cryterion that I miss his humour, :)
[16:56] <Maaz> pavlushka: Got it, I'll tell Cryterion on freenode
[16:56] <Kilos> haha
[16:58] <pavlushka> Kilos: :p
[16:58] <Kilos> yes?
[16:59] <pavlushka> :p :p :p
[16:59] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:00] <paddatrapper> Kilos: https://github.com/XPRIZE/GLEXP-Team-The-Linguaculturalists/tree/master/app/src/main/assets/locales
[17:00] <paddatrapper> Some examples of locales
[17:00] <pavlushka> Kilos:  I am having biriani chicken here, want some, :p
[17:02] <Kilos> sshhhhh you making me hungrier
[17:15] <pavlushka> Kilos: https://ghoshsan06.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/chicken-rezala.jpg, the chickens are dipped in ginger soup but delicious, mmmm
[17:24] <Langjan> Hi guys, Kilos 
[17:24] <Maaz> Langjan: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell langjan http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-1404-dual-boot-mode-windows-8-81-uefi/" 6 hours, 8 minutes and 57 seconds ago
[17:25] <paddatrapper> Hey Langjan 
[17:25] <paddatrapper> Got to go eat
[17:25] <Kilos> naand
[17:26] <Kilos> Langjan wen jy
[17:27] <Langjan> Ek sien nou lyk my ek moet eers 'n partisie in win maak want ubuntu sien nie die win installasie nie
[17:27] <Langjan> dankie vir die inligting
[17:27] <Langjan> hi paddatrapper 
[17:27] <Langjan> eet lekker
[17:28] <Kilos> yes make the windows about 50g
[17:28] <Kilos> what size drive is in there
[17:29] <Langjan> 450gb
[17:29] <Langjan> and 64 bit
[17:29] <Kilos> you might need to boot from a win7 dvd to make the partitions
[17:30] <Kilos> i did that here and then after using it a couple of months wiped win and did a clean install
[17:30] <Langjan> acc to the link you sent I can partition from win 10
[17:31] <Kilos> cool
[17:31] <Kilos> that was mazal
[17:31] <Langjan> let me try that
[17:31] <Langjan> oh ok thks mazal 
[17:31] <Langjan> yes I see now
[17:32] <Langjan> had to set boot sequence, its set to ignore dvd
[17:32] <Kilos> at first this lappy refused to take linux
[17:32] <Kilos> was something i had to allow in bios as well
[17:33] <Kilos> every different make has their own quirks
[17:34] <Kilos> what was that link for paddatrapper 
[17:34] <Kilos> i see mhall there as well
[17:34] <Kilos> do we have to supply a map too?
[17:54] <Langjan> How do I see what windows version is in the machine?
[17:54] <Langjan> it only wants to shrink to 50%, about 230GB
[17:54] <Kilos> doesnt it show when booting
[17:54] <Langjan> maybe, did not notice
[17:55] <Kilos> well you dont want to mess it up so accept that size
[17:55] <Langjan> it says its using only 25GB but wants to keep halvies
[17:55] <Langjan> think so?
[17:56] <Kilos> once he is used to linux and needs more space you can wipe it for him and clean install buntu on it
[17:56] <Kilos> greedy
[17:56] <Langjan> ok makes sense
[17:56] <pavlushka> Kilos: very greedy, :p
[17:56] <Kilos> gparted could shrink it more i think but dont take a chance of messing it up now
[17:57] <Langjan> theres al 13 gb recovery partition?
[17:57] <Kilos> ye that for if win crashes
[17:57] <Kilos> after i saw my lappy worked lekker with kde i wiped everything
[17:59] <Kilos> using redshift here so battling to see channels colours change with incoming
[17:59] <Kilos> helps a bit to tilt screen closer
[18:05] <Langjan> Its win 10
[18:07] <Kilos> first thing go and turn off all updating
[18:09] <Kilos> forwarded you a mail on how
[18:09] <Kilos> win 10 comes with built in spyware
[18:19] <paddatrapper> Kilos: The link is to other locale packs that we can use as examples
[18:19] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:20] <Kilos> i see the fly hasnt shot us down yet
[18:22] <Langjan> I disabled secure boot
[18:22] <Langjan> now installing ubuntu in free space
[18:23] <Kilos> cool
[18:23] <Langjan> nothing broke yet.....
[18:24] <Kilos> it wont
[18:24] <Kilos> should go smooth
[18:24] <Langjan> will ubuntu boot before win?
[18:24] <Kilos> now if you saved all your packages you wouldnt have to update/upgrade online
[18:24] <Kilos> yes
[18:25] <Kilos> you get to choose though
[18:25] <Langjan> saved packages?
[18:25] <Kilos> if you leave it then it will boot ubuntu
[18:25] <Kilos> yes man
[18:25] <Langjan> ok saved packages?
[18:25] <Kilos> everything in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:26] <Kilos> you most likely dont even store them
[18:26] <Kilos> you rich peeps
[18:26] <Kilos> ai!
[18:28] <Kilos> install should be done in less than 10 minutes
[18:28] <Kilos> oh my ln
[18:28] <Kilos> Langjan 
[18:28] <Langjan> lost me there
[18:28] <Kilos> the freespace i think is in windows
[18:28] <Langjan> where do i put boot loader?
[18:29] <Kilos> haha
[18:29] <Kilos> sda
[18:29] <Kilos> just go with defults
[18:29] <Kilos> defaults
[18:29] <Kilos> dont always want to change things
[18:30] <Langjan> theres no defaults
[18:30] <Kilos> didnt it show sda
[18:30] <Kilos> just hit enter
[18:31] <Langjan> it shows 8 partitions 
[18:31] <Kilos> ai!
[18:31] <Kilos> isnt sda one of them
[18:31] <pavlushka> Good night guys!
[18:32] <Langjan> plenty sda's
[18:32] <Kilos> sda1
[18:32] <Kilos> where windows is
[18:32] <Langjan> sda1 fat 32 524 MB, used 33 MB
[18:32] <Kilos> grub must install there
[18:33] <Kilos> ya there
[18:33] <Kilos> the top one you can choose
[18:35] <Langjan> the top one is dev/sda 500GB
[18:35] <Cryterion> Hi
[18:35] <Langjan> hi Cryterion 
[18:35] <Cryterion> heya, how things?
[18:35] <Kilos> ja there
[18:35] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[18:35] <Cryterion> heya Kilo's
[18:36] <Langjan> now youve told me ya there in two places?
[18:36] <Kilos> well
[18:36] <Cryterion> anyone know the command to downgrade ubuntu from 16.04 back to where it was?
[18:36] <Kilos> did you try hit enter without choosing anything
[18:36] <Kilos> sda
[18:36] <Kilos> try sda
[18:37] <Langjan> which one?
[18:37] <Langjan> six sda's
[18:37] <Kilos> dev/sda 500GB
[18:38] <Langjan> must I rather go back and hit install on what ever comes up?
[18:38] <Kilos> ok try that
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> inetpro where are you
[18:39] <Langjan> ok which option, use lvm or something else?
[18:39] <Kilos> no
[18:40]  * Cryterion searches for inetpro on duckduckgo.com
[18:40] <Kilos> just enter
[18:40] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro 
[18:40] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 8 hours, 3 minutes and 42 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-29 03:36:35 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-26 11:53:48 PDT
[18:40] <Langjan> well its not erase and use whole disk then Ill lose win
[18:40] <Langjan> other option is encrypt
[18:40] <Kilos> no not that
[18:40] <Kilos> install alongside
[18:41] <Kilos> but i would do it differently
[18:41] <Langjan> no such option, it does not see the win installation
[18:41] <Kilos> holy moly
[18:41] <Kilos> the parted tool must see it
[18:42] <Langjan> so I must go back to try ubuntu
[18:42] <Kilos> whew
[18:43] <Kilos> i cant see the thing so kinda difficult
[18:43] <Kilos> go with try first ya
[18:43] <Kilos> but the way you were going would have worked as well
[18:44] <Kilos> only would have installed ubuntu in the win 50% of the drive
[18:45] <Langjan> chances are I would have selected the wrong sda option
[18:45] <Kilos> ok tell when you in the try option
[18:45] <Langjan> then I would have lost the win installation dont want that
[18:46] <Kilos> no
[18:46] <Langjan> yes im there
[18:46] <Kilos> it would install alongside
[18:46] <Kilos> ok open gparted
[18:47] <Langjan> shows dev/sda 3 226Gb and unallocated 224 GB
[18:47] <Langjan> and a number of small ones
[18:47] <Kilos> right tick once on unallocated
[18:48] <Kilos> then choose new or create
[18:48] <Langjan> right
[18:48] <Kilos> did you and i do this a while back
[18:48] <Langjan> yes on other machine
[18:48] <Kilos> so why you asking then
[18:49] <Kilos> dont you keep notes
[18:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:49] <Kilos> ok new make it 50g
[18:49] <Kilos> and mount point /
[18:50] <Kilos> rot
[18:50] <Kilos> root
[18:50] <Kilos> haha i remember us having this discussion
[18:50] <Kilos> you said whats root
[18:50] <Kilos> yay memory getting better
[18:51] <Langjan> no mount point
[18:51] <Langjan> same as last time
[18:51] <Kilos> oh ya thats later
[18:51] <Kilos> ok apply
[18:51] <Kilos> then make another new
[18:51] <Langjan> primary partition and ext4?
[18:51] <Kilos> 4g
[18:52] <Kilos> ys
[18:52] <Kilos> yes
[18:52] <Langjan> 4g?
[18:52] <Kilos> yes
[18:52] <Kilos> that will be swap
[18:52] <Langjan> what do you mean by 4g?
[18:52] <Kilos> 4 gig big
[18:53] <Kilos> first one is 50 gig right?
[18:53] <Langjan> im still with 50GB, must I click addz/
[18:53] <Langjan> add/
[18:53] <Kilos> nee man
[18:53] <Kilos> after apply you tick unallocated again
[18:53] <Kilos> the make another new
[18:53] <Langjan> theres no apply, theres cancel and add
[18:54] <Kilos> ok
[18:54] <Kilos> listen carefully
[18:54] <Kilos> delete the 50g
[18:54] <Kilos> and report
[18:55] <Langjan> the 50 gb has not been done
[18:55] <Kilos> you didnt hit apply did you
[18:55] <Langjan> I said theres no apply
[18:55] <Kilos> after apply it will show the 50g and lots of unallocated
[18:55] <Kilos> ai!
[18:56] <Langjan> theres cancel or add
[18:56] <Kilos> oh my
[18:56] <Kilos> add
[18:56] <Kilos> add a 4g
[18:56]  * mazal bekyk die besigheid
[18:56] <Langjan> so I adjust slider to 50GB then click add ?
[18:56] <mazal> Told you guys dual boot is headaches
[18:56] <Kilos> then add another with everything thats left
[18:57] <Kilos> haha dit is n pein mazal 
[18:57] <Kilos> harder if i cant see whats there
[18:58] <Langjan> ok 50GB and 4GB have been dione, now theres 179GB unallocated
[18:58] <Kilos> i forget we are using gparted on live iso not the partition manager in install
[18:58] <Kilos> right
[18:58] <Kilos> add again all of it
[18:58] <Langjan> you must not forget
[18:58] <mazal> And btw partitions is irrelevant for boot loader placement. Boot loader always sda ( when there is just 1 drive in machine ). Doesn't matter how many partitions there is. Boot loader is on start of drive , not on a partition
[18:59] <Langjan> what do I pay you for? too forget?
[18:59] <Kilos> sorry
[18:59] <Langjan> lmga
[18:59] <Kilos> you pay peanuts you get monkeys
[18:59] <Langjan>  will deduct from next pay for forget
[18:59] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <Kilos> report man
[19:00] <Langjan> ok now hit apply after clicking on regmerkie....at last I saw apply
[19:01] <Kilos> yay
[19:01] <Langjan> searching dev/sda partyitions
[19:02] <Langjan> ok where to now?
[19:02] <Kilos> close gparted
[19:02] <Kilos> then double click install goodie
[19:03] <Langjan> preparing...
[19:04] <Langjan> ok no detected os, options are erase, encrypt, use lvm and something else
[19:04] <Langjan> nothing has changed
[19:04] <Kilos> something else
[19:05] <Kilos> used to be manual
[19:05] <Langjan> ok
[19:05] <Langjan>  then?
[19:05] <Kilos> ok
[19:06] <Kilos> in the 50g
[19:06] <Kilos> mights show a bit more or less
[19:07] <Langjan> 53  dev/sda6 ext 4
[19:07] <Kilos> yes
[19:07] <Kilos> moint point root /
[19:07] <Langjan> and used 1022MB
[19:07] <Kilos> you might need to tick change
[19:08] <Langjan> mount point? 
[19:08] <Kilos> foret the little bits
[19:08] <Kilos> ai!
[19:08] <Kilos> did you tick on it
[19:08] <Langjan> ok chANGE the use as
[19:09] <Kilos> huh
[19:09] <Langjan> then use as....dropdown menu
[19:09] <Kilos> do you see mount points
[19:09] <Langjan> no
[19:09] <Kilos> ai!
[19:10] <Kilos> what shows in dropdown
[19:10] <Langjan> 12 options but no mount point
[19:10] <Langjan> ext4 and ext 3 journalling
[19:10] <Kilos> ext4
[19:10] <Langjan> ext2 file system
[19:11] <Langjan> btrfs journalling file stystem
[19:11] <Kilos> ext4
[19:11] <Langjan> jfs journalling file system
[19:11] <Kilos> forget the rest
[19:11] <Kilos> ext4
[19:11] <Kilos> ext4
[19:11] <Langjan> now there smount point
[19:11] <Kilos> w0000000t
[19:12] <Langjan> and format option
[19:12] <Kilos> mount point /
[19:12] <Kilos> and tick format
[19:12] <Langjan> ok
[19:12] <Langjan> and ok
[19:12] <Kilos> then there should be apply
[19:12] <Langjan> ok done
[19:13] <Kilos> tick 4g partition
[19:13] <Langjan> right
[19:13] <Langjan> use as?
[19:13] <Kilos> above where you choose mount point
[19:14] <Kilos> swap
[19:14] <Langjan> no mount point
[19:14] <Kilos> do you see swap
[19:14] <Langjan> yes
[19:14] <Kilos> choose it
[19:14] <Langjan> ok
[19:14] <Kilos> then apply
[19:15] <Langjan> right done
[19:15] <Kilos> then tick the whats left partition
[19:15] <Langjan> the 183GB free space?
[19:15] <Kilos> then tick partition up top
[19:15] <Kilos> yes
[19:15] <Kilos> ext4
[19:16] <Kilos> then mountpoint /home
[19:16] <Kilos> then apply
[19:16] <Langjan> youve lost me
[19:16] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:16] <mazal> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> tick once on 183GB
[19:17] <Langjan> tick on free space nothing happens
[19:17] <Kilos> just highlight it
[19:17] <Langjan> ok
[19:17] <Kilos> then tick partition at the top
[19:18] <Langjan> no partition option to tick
[19:18] <Kilos> heel bo
[19:18] <Kilos> partitions
[19:19] <Langjan> nope
[19:19] <Kilos> are you still in the partition manager thing
[19:20] <Langjan> heading is installation type
[19:20] <Kilos> ai!
[19:20] <Kilos> go back
[19:21] <Kilos> you need to tell it to use the 183 as /home and make it ext4
[19:21] <Langjan> live options are revert and quit
[19:21] <Kilos> holy moly
[19:21] <Kilos> what did you do
[19:21] <Langjan> what you told me 
[19:22] <Kilos> you should have been able to make it /home same way as you did the other 2
[19:22] <Kilos> holy moly
[19:22] <Kilos> what does revert option show
[19:23] <Langjan> nothing, just spinning wheel showing somethings working, or trying to
[19:23] <Kilos> rofl
[19:23] <Langjan> rofl?
[19:24] <Kilos> rolling on the floor laughing
[19:24] <Kilos> lmga
[19:24] <Kilos> hee hee hee ha ha ha hoo hoo hoo cough cough
[19:25] <Langjan> this things virtually frozen
[19:25] <Langjan> not funny
[19:25] <Kilos> switch off and boot from cd again
[19:25] <Kilos> then choose install lets see
[19:26] <mazal> You guys still partitioning ?
[19:26] <Kilos> ya he lost something
[19:27] <Langjan> tutor lost him
[19:28] <Kilos> when you choose install use the something else again
[19:28] <Langjan> ok
[19:28] <Langjan> will let you know when I get there
[19:28] <Kilos> ok
[19:28] <mazal> Oom Kilos
[19:28] <Kilos> ja mazal 
[19:29] <mazal> Sounds like the home partition you didn't let hime create before hand in gparted like the other too , so guide him to create partion when you get there
[19:29] <Kilos> yes thats what i want to do
[19:29] <mazal> Looks like that's where it went wrong
[19:30] <Kilos> if the 50g and the 4g swap show
[19:30] <Kilos> i did tell him new
[19:30] <Langjan> so try or install option?
[19:30] <Kilos> install
[19:31] <Langjan> and something else
[19:32] <Kilos> hyes
[19:32] <Kilos> do you pay treble time after 9pm
[19:33] <Langjan> ok showing partitions
[19:33] <Kilos> you see the 50g
[19:33] <Langjan> no only double, unless you forget...
[19:33] <Kilos> ?
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <Langjan> yes
[19:33] <Kilos> stop it
[19:33] <Kilos> ok tick the 50g once
[19:33] <Langjan> stop it?
[19:34] <Kilos> stop making me laugh
[19:34] <Langjan> right
[19:34] <Kilos> then partitions at the top
[19:34] <Kilos> ext4
[19:34] <Kilos> or change
[19:34] <Langjan> no partitions at the top
[19:35] <Kilos> where is that partition tool
[19:35] <Langjan> ? 
[19:35] <Langjan> change?
[19:35] <Kilos> holy moly
[19:35] <Kilos> change ya
[19:35] <Langjan> ok then?
[19:35] <Kilos> ext4 
[19:36] <Kilos> then / as mount point
[19:36] <Langjan> and format?
[19:36] <Kilos> yes
[19:36] <Langjan> done
[19:36] <Kilos> then tick the 183
[19:36] <Kilos> and change 
[19:37] <Kilos> ext4 and mountpoint /home
[19:38] <Kilos> report
[19:38] <Langjan> ok done  
[19:38] <Kilos> then check that 4g is still swap
[19:39] <Langjan> dev/sda8 ext 4 home 183GB
[19:39] <Kilos> dont worry bout that
[19:39] <Langjan> no swap
[19:39] <Kilos> tick the 4g
[19:39] <Kilos> and change to swap
[19:40] <Langjan> ok done
[19:40] <Kilos> then apply
[19:40] <Kilos> in case you didnt
[19:40] <Kilos> then tick install
[19:41] <Langjan> its asking for 1MB reserved bios boot area
[19:42] <Kilos> holy moly
[19:42] <Langjan> and go back
[19:42] <Kilos> what you mean asking for
[19:43] <Langjan> Go back to the menu and correct this problem
[19:43] <Langjan>  then
[19:44] <Langjan> long story basically telling me if I dont go back and creat 1MB bios boot area boot loader installation may fail later
[19:44] <Kilos> are you sure you are using 14.04
[19:44] <Langjan> it may still be possible to minstall boot loader to a partition
[19:44] <Kilos> no some alien thing
[19:45] <Langjan> lmga
[19:45] <Kilos> og go back then
[19:45] <Kilos> then delete the 53 g'
[19:45] <Kilos> then make that 1MB bios boot area
[19:46] <Kilos> never heard that before
[19:46] <Kilos> bios is on motherboard not a partition on the drive
[19:47] <Kilos> then make your 52g free space ext4 /
[19:47] <Langjan> how do I delete 53GB area?
[19:47] <Kilos> the last lappy we did this on didnt ask for that
[19:47] <Kilos> tick on it
[19:47] <Kilos> then tick on partitions at the top
[19:48] <Kilos> then tick delete
[19:48] <Langjan> no such option as partitions
[19:48] <Kilos> eish
[19:48] <Kilos> where does that laptop come from 
[19:49] <Kilos> mars or jamaica
[19:49] <Langjan> its running on ubuntu 14.04 dvd
[19:49] <Kilos> you sure???
[19:50] <Langjan> dont you think we are in gparted?
[19:50] <Kilos> yes thats what ubuntu uses
[19:50] <Langjan> oh ok
[19:50] <Langjan> on install also?
[19:50] <Kilos> but when you see the partitions there should be delete option
[19:50] <Kilos> yes
[19:51] <Langjan> Im clearly seeing a different interface from what you are thinking
[19:51] <Kilos> thats how we just made the /home partition
[19:51] <Langjan> those partitions have been lost when we went back
[19:52] <Kilos> oh
[19:52] <Kilos> so what partitons you see
[19:52] <Langjan> the list we started with 
[19:52] <Kilos> rofl
[19:52] <Langjan> 11 of them
[19:52] <Kilos> holy moly
[19:53] <Kilos> you see the 53 gig one
[19:53] <Langjan> yes
[19:53] <Kilos> but no partitions block at the top?
[19:53] <Langjan> no
[19:53] <Kilos> try right click on the 53g
[19:54] <Langjan> nothing
[19:54] <Kilos> does that gparted look different
[19:55] <Langjan> different from what?
[19:55] <Kilos> from the one we used to make the partition
[19:55] <Kilos> s
[19:56] <Langjan> its the standard one I see every time I do an intstall, I think
[19:56] <Kilos> witout the partitions option at the top?
[19:56] <Langjan> yes
[19:57] <Kilos> how did you make those partitions just now
[19:57] <Kilos> in the same partition tool?
[19:57] <Langjan> yes
[19:57] <Langjan> click and cgange
[19:58] <Kilos> ok do that on the 53g
[19:58] <Langjan> change
[19:58] <Kilos> maybe there is a delete there
[19:58] <Langjan> ext 4 ? no, only do not use the partition
[19:59] <Langjan> theres areserved bios root area option
[19:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:59] <Kilos> yes
[19:59] <Kilos> go with that
[19:59] <Kilos> try make it 1m
[20:01] <Langjan> bios grub 53GB
[20:01] <Langjan> ?
[20:01] <Kilos> can you change the size
[20:01] <Kilos> 1 meg
[20:02] <Langjan> yes
[20:02] <Kilos> yay
[20:02] <Kilos> this must be uefi stuff
[20:02] <Langjan> 1MB
[20:02] <Kilos> yes
[20:02] <Langjan> use as?
[20:03] <Langjan> reserved bios boot area?
[20:03] <Kilos> the bios root thing
[20:03] <Langjan> ok bios grub 1MB
[20:03] <Kilos> yay
[20:04] <Kilos> then make the rest of that partition /
[20:04] <Langjan> the 53GB?
[20:04] <Kilos> yes
[20:04] <Kilos> minus 1 MB now
[20:04] <Langjan> ext4?
[20:04] <Kilos> yes
[20:05] <Kilos> mountpoint /
[20:05] <Langjan> ok done
[20:05] <Kilos> yay
[20:05] <Kilos> then check swap is swap
[20:06] <Langjan> ok done
[20:06] <Kilos> then check /home is /home
[20:06] <Langjan> Home is where? size?
[20:06] <Kilos> 183g
[20:07] <Langjan> ext 4 and /home?
[20:07] <Kilos> yes
[20:07] <Langjan> ok done
[20:08] <Kilos> then tick install
[20:08] <Langjan> right
[20:08] <Kilos> and hope it has no other quirks
[20:08] <Langjan> whew!
[20:08] <Langjan> jy moet gaan slaap seun
[20:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:09] <Kilos> it will install in under 10 mins
[20:09] <Langjan> I will report tomorrow...
[20:09] <Langjan> you reckon?
[20:09] <Kilos> yeah
[20:10] <Langjan> timing you...
[20:10] <Kilos> well thats a modern fast pc only min ram can slow it down
[20:11] <Langjan> why so quick suddenly? usually takes 30-40 mins
[20:11] <Langjan> its 4GB ram
[20:11] <Kilos> nee man
[20:11] <Kilos> i install in 7 mins
[20:11] <Kilos> from usb stick
[20:12] <Langjan> speedy gonzales
[20:12] <Kilos> thats on a dual core pc as well
[20:12] <Kilos> you have quad core i think
[20:12] <Kilos> i didnt check if its i5 or i7
[20:15] <Langjan> Sharks keep on kicking away possession and throwing points away with ill discipline, eish!
[20:16] <Kilos> yeah
[20:16] <Kilos> so sad
[20:16] <Langjan> I dont blame the guys, they get told to kick, rather go play soccah
[20:17] <Langjan> Lions coach got some brains
[20:17] <Kilos> yes they are playing well
[20:17] <Langjan> 10 minutes gone
[20:17] <Kilos> oh my
[20:18] <Kilos> you broke it
[20:18] <Langjan> at least something I'm good at
[20:18] <Kilos> hhahahaha
[20:18] <Cryterion> lol
[20:18] <Langjan> lmga
[20:18] <Cryterion> 4pound hammer orks wonders
[20:19] <Kilos> its that uefi stuff
[20:19] <Cryterion> *works
[20:19] <Langjan> corks?
[20:19] <Langjan> lmga Cryterion 
[20:19] <Kilos> its a brand new lappy Cryterion 
[20:19] <Kilos> unpacked today
[20:20] <Cryterion> just place next to it, and it works
[20:20] <Kilos> well it used to work on win10
[20:20] <Langjan> still stiff, needs running in, thats why takes so much time to install
[20:21] <Cryterion> prob designed for win10, yuk, but you'll always get small hiccups
[20:22] <Langjan> Paper work refers to Ubuntu as one option
[20:22] <Kilos> when it says setting up hardware and installing grub its close
[20:22] <Langjan> dealer was too pathetic to comply with client request to provide ubuntu
[20:22] <Kilos> shoulda tried to buy it without any OS on it
[20:22] <Langjan> insurance claim
[20:23] <Langjan> complicated
[20:23] <Kilos> oh yes
[20:23] <Cryterion> you trying to install alongside aren't you?
[20:23] <Langjan> yes
[20:23] <Kilos> will have to use it dual booting for a year'
[20:23] <Cryterion> do you want win10 in there?
[20:23] <Kilos> actually not alongside Cryterion 
[20:24] <Langjan> came with win 10
[20:24] <Cryterion> dual boot Kilos!
[20:24] <Kilos> on drive partitioned in half then ubuntu on the second half
[20:24] <Kilos> ya dual boot
[20:25] <Langjan> 4.44 mins remain
[20:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:25] <Langjan> already almost 20 mins
[20:25] <Kilos> shocking
[20:26] <Cryterion> microsoft has been very agresive lately with getting 10 out, they might have done something, wouldn't surprise me
[20:26] <Langjan> aye
[20:26] <Cryterion> I'd just kill it, then run win in vb if needed
[20:26] <Kilos> after warranty up wipe it and install ubunu only
[20:26] <Langjan> they keep pestering me to upgrade on my wife's machine
[20:26] <Kilos> dont upgarde
[20:27] <Cryterion> OS change doesn't/shouldn't void warranty by legal means
[20:27] <Langjan> win in vb is finicky
[20:27] <Kilos> read  that mail i sent you
[20:27] <mazal> Hi Cryterion
[20:27] <Langjan> I wont upgrade, I hardly use it
[20:27] <Cryterion> heya mazal
[20:27] <mazal> Langjan, maybe you selected "install updates" option , then it will take long
[20:28] <Cryterion> hmm
[20:28] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:28] <mazal> I never tick than when installing , I do updates after install
[20:28] <Langjan> Not this time, but did select 3rd party software
[20:28] <Kilos> ai!
[20:28] <mazal> 3rd party is fine , is quick
[20:29] <Kilos> never select anything else then it messes aroung online
[20:29] <Kilos> 'not eevn third party stuff
[20:29] <Langjan> perhaps I did do updates also, cant remember, was tryng to keep up with old man Kilos 
[20:29] <Cryterion> unplug the network, speeds it up in that case
[20:30] <mazal> Is that bloody spyware on the other partition that's slowing you down :P
[20:30] <Cryterion> probably
[20:30] <Langjan> first time I install on 64 bit
[20:31] <mazal> Why 14.04 Langjan ?
[20:31] <mazal> And not 16.04 ?
[20:31] <Kilos> lts
[20:31] <Kilos> and stable
[20:31] <Langjan> let you guys sort the bugs first
[20:31] <Kilos> you have spent 2 weeks trying to get stuff working
[20:32] <mazal> True , but it was for a good cause
[20:32] <Kilos> now dont try make the old man battle too
[20:32] <Langjan> which old man?
[20:32] <mazal> That's why you are there , to help him 
[20:33] <Kilos> no man he is working on someone elses laptop
[20:33] <mazal> Cryterion, btw , I saw something that you want to go back to 14.04 ? Having many issues with 16.04 ?
[20:33] <Kilos> ai!
[20:35] <Langjan> restarting...
[20:35] <Kilos> at last
[20:35] <mazal> Now you hope it boots
[20:35] <Langjan> 27 mins
[20:35] <Kilos> if it gets to restarting its done
[20:35] <Langjan> yes holding thumbs
[20:35] <mazal> Don't be so sure Kilos
[20:36] <Kilos> thats you and you updating online'
[20:36] <Kilos> ai!
[20:37] <Langjan> booting on windows....eish!
[20:37] <mazal> Told you
[20:37] <Kilos> why
[20:37] <Kilos> last one we did didnt do that
[20:38] <Kilos> and windows doesnt see ext4
[20:38] <mazal> I have no idea , but remember you are dealing with uefi and secure boot. I will bet that's the cause.
[20:38] <Kilos> grub should have sorted that
[20:38] <mazal> Read that whole doc I gave the link for
[20:39] <Kilos> tomorrow
[20:39] <mazal> Make sure you didn't miss something re secure boot or eufi
[20:39] <Langjan> I disabled secure boot
[20:39] <Kilos> Langjan lees wat hey se
[20:39] <Kilos> i gotta sleep
[20:40] <Kilos> will have nightmares now
[20:40] <mazal> I kinda remember at the bottom somewhere they said something of this problem
[20:40] <Langjan> lekker slaap ons gesels more weer
[20:40] <Kilos> ill be here
[20:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:40] <mazal> I'm also gonna crash
[20:40] <mazal> Lekker slaap ooms Kilos , Langjan
[20:40] <Langjan> sleep well mazal thks for the help