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| sgclark | woot well have the clones and checkouts working. now for the push to LP. and learning ruby to boot haha | 03:14 |
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| valorie | woooooooo! Good on you sgclark! | 04:03 |
| sgclark | https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/attica | 04:06 |
| sgclark | push working :) now to unleash on all frameworks | 04:07 |
| valorie | weeeeeee | 04:11 |
| ahoneybun | so git is now on LP? | 04:13 |
| valorie | not just git, but OUR git | 04:14 |
| ahoneybun | sweet! | 04:15 |
| sgclark | well not quite. it worked on single repo but went boom on list. debugging. | 04:17 |
| sgclark | I am just learning ruby doing this :) | 04:17 |
| ahoneybun | :) | 04:17 |
| valorie | sitter and shadeslayer are both ruby lovers | 04:27 |
| sgclark | ok now pushing frameworks including tags | 04:37 |
| sgclark | I will let clivejo clean up as he wanted everything lol | 04:38 |
| valorie | lol | 04:39 |
| ahoneybun | XD | 04:44 |
| ahoneybun | almost 1am here .. | 04:44 |
| sgclark | oh valorie looks like we are in the clear, no walking papers and they were suppose to be notified by today. | 04:50 |
| valorie | excellent | 04:50 |
| valorie | pretty bad for 12,000 people though | 04:51 |
| sgclark | no kidding | 04:51 |
| sgclark | very scary | 04:51 |
| valorie | {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} | 04:51 |
| sgclark | a little to close for comfort. So I still need to re-evaluate my career lol | 04:51 |
| sgclark | ut hey I now can tack on ruby to my skillset! | 04:52 |
| valorie | indeed! | 04:52 |
| * sgclark pats herself on the back | 04:52 | |
| * ahoneybun hugs sgclark | 04:52 | |
| valorie | how far does this move get us to our goal of "fix dev"? | 04:53 |
| sgclark | well | 04:53 |
| sgclark | it totally breaks CI | 04:53 |
| sgclark | but | 04:53 |
| sgclark | we break the barrior of entry | 04:54 |
| sgclark | CI will need some magic scripting done | 04:54 |
| valorie | how hard will it be to fix CI | 04:54 |
| valorie | ? | 04:54 |
| valorie | you are the "magic scripting" goddess, I think | 04:54 |
| sgclark | from the sounds of it, it will be nasty. We have to write a script that triggers from some website when a commit is made. Dunno. | 04:55 |
| sgclark | Not really, but it does seem that I can figure it out when I try lol | 04:55 |
| sgclark | yofel: clivejo: assuming my internet does not die everything should be in LP git when you wake up. | 05:26 |
| sgclark | I am off to get sleep unlike last night haha. | 05:26 |
| valorie | sweet dreams, scarlett | 05:28 |
| sgclark | shadeslayer: thanks for the ruby-git hint, worked like a charm. | 05:28 |
| sgclark | ty valorie | 05:28 |
| soee | good morning | 07:48 |
| renee77 | hello | 13:13 |
| sgclark | hiyas | 13:18 |
| clivejo | hi sgclark | 13:32 |
| clivejo | could you pastebin the commands you used for git copy? | 13:32 |
| clivejo | hi BluesKaj | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | hi clivejo | 13:33 |
| sgclark | clivejo: I ended up writing an entire ruby script | 13:34 |
| clivejo | do you have them all locally? | 13:38 |
| clivejo | sgclark: do you reckon its just a case of changing the debian url to lp here - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/conf/git-clone-all.json | 13:43 |
| sgclark | I don't know, it failed on kde-spectacle, and I need to fix that, but I am busy fighting with a bug from hell. I have not used any of the new scripts successfully. | 13:44 |
| clivejo | soee_: hows plasma and apps coming along? | 13:56 |
| sgclark | alright spectacle fixed, rest of apps running now | 14:03 |
| sgclark | clivejo: git.launchpad.net:/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/*.git should do the trick | 14:05 |
| sgclark | but apps still uploading | 14:05 |
| sgclark | it failed when I was asleep. fixed now. | 14:05 |
| clivejo | would it be easier for you to create dev aka yak branches as you have them all local ? | 14:06 |
| sgclark | That was my plan yes | 14:06 |
| sbivol | hi, I found a typo on kde.org: "Delivering an Long-Term Release (LTS) release" should probably be ""Delivering a Long Term Support (LTS) release | 14:07 |
| sgclark | ovidiu-florin: ^^ | 14:07 |
| sbivol | sorry, kubuntu.org: http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement | 14:07 |
| sgclark | yofel: if you could check that my repos are sane and what you expect. | 14:08 |
| sgclark | guess our scripts will all need to be adjusted. Not even sure where to start with CI issues | 14:09 |
| sgclark | sbivol: thank you, will let webteam know | 14:09 |
| clivejo | sgclark: any ETA on when you might have a yakkety branch for all packages on LP? | 14:23 |
| clivejo | Im currently trying to hack the staging script to work with LP | 14:24 |
| sgclark | clivejo: the applications are not even switched yet. Patience. | 14:35 |
| sgclark | just barfed on ktp | 14:38 |
| clivejo | whats it barfing over? | 14:59 |
| sgclark | fixed. It is the packages names that do not match repo name. | 14:59 |
| clivejo | isnt there a json file that defines those? | 15:00 |
| clivejo | ie discover =>plasma-discover | 15:00 |
| sgclark | is there? didn't know | 15:00 |
| sgclark | too late now | 15:00 |
| clivejo | do you never use the staging scripts? | 15:01 |
| sgclark | of course I do... | 15:02 |
| clivejo | https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/package-name-list | 15:02 |
| clivejo | "discover": "plasma-discover", | 15:02 |
| clivejo | "spectacle": "kde-spectacle", | 15:02 |
| clivejo | sgclark: ping | 15:27 |
| clivejo | soee_: ping | 15:34 |
| soee_ | clivejo: pong | 15:36 |
| sgclark | clivejo: yes? | 15:36 |
| clivejo | soee_: if you have time and want to help can you compare these two lists of frameworks http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/5.21/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/16150319/ | 15:37 |
| clivejo | sgclark: Im hacking the KA scripts to use LP | 15:37 |
| soee_ | clivejo: only packges names ? | 15:37 |
| sgclark | clivejo: ok? please commit then. | 15:38 |
| clivejo | Ive cloned frameworks locally and wanted to try adding kubuntu_yakkety_archive branch | 15:38 |
| clivejo | soee_: yes, just make sure they are all there | 15:39 |
| sgclark | oh ffs | 15:39 |
| sgclark | please don't touch my frameworks clivejo | 15:39 |
| sgclark | if you want to work on something do plasma | 15:39 |
| sgclark | I am writing a script to create the branches now | 15:39 |
| sgclark | good grief | 15:39 |
| clivejo | what you mean? you are working on xenial backports, no? | 15:39 |
| sgclark | the same work can be applied to yakkety no? | 15:40 |
| sgclark | frameworks are mine, I already did all the hard work | 15:40 |
| * clivejo gulps | 15:40 | |
| clivejo | sorry | 15:40 |
| soee_ | clivejo: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/30/Screenshot_20160430_175222.png | 15:53 |
| soee_ | middle top columns shows what 5.21 list has and what the second one does not, and bottom center column shows what more more the second list has comapred to 5.21 | 15:54 |
| soee_ | so in 5.21 we have new: kactivities-stats but it does not contain: kdelibs4support, khtml, kjs,kjsembed, kmediaplayer, kross, krunner | 15:55 |
| renee77 | hi | 15:57 |
| soee_ | hiho renee77 | 15:57 |
| renee77 | do you know how telegram works with irc? | 15:59 |
| renee77 | or how to make it work ;-) | 15:59 |
| soee_ | well we have a bot that sends messages irc <-> telegram | 16:00 |
| renee77 | I found that bot | 16:00 |
| telegram | <@marcinsagol>: This is me writing on telegram :) | 16:00 |
| soee_ | renee77: you dont have to configure enyting | 16:01 |
| soee_ | you just write here or on Telegram channel and that is all, the bot do the communication automatically | 16:01 |
| renee77 | how to write to kubuntu-devel than? | 16:02 |
| soee_ | write from telegram -> here ? | 16:02 |
| renee77 | yes | 16:03 |
| soee_ | renee77: just join 'kubuntu-devel' channel on telegram | 16:03 |
| soee_ | when you ar eon channels lis in telegram click the search icon and type the channel room and join it | 16:03 |
| soee_ | renee77: yuhave the same nick on telegram no ? | 16:06 |
| renee77 | yes I have | 16:06 |
| soee_ | let me catch you | 16:06 |
| renee77 | thank you | 16:06 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: ping | 16:09 |
| telegram | <@marcinsagol>: @ovidiuflorin is an invite required to join here? | 16:10 |
| telegram | <@marcinsagol>: /invite rene77 | 16:11 |
| renee77 | :) renee77 | 16:12 |
| telegram | <@marcinsagol>: But still it won't work I think | 16:13 |
| * ahoneybun stops messing with kdenlive | 16:13 | |
| ahoneybun | yes soee_ | 16:13 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: can you invite rene77 on Telegram to Kubuntu-devel chan ? | 16:13 |
| soee_ | *renee77 | 16:13 |
| ahoneybun | I need her username on telegram | 16:14 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: as i typed above | 16:14 |
| renee77 | same :) | 16:14 |
| telegram | @Renee77 was added by: @athoneycutt | 16:15 |
| telegram | <@athoneycutt>: Done | 16:15 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: Nice thank you | 16:15 |
| ahoneybun | np | 16:15 |
| soee_ | thanks ahoneybun | 16:15 |
| ahoneybun | np lol | 16:15 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: 😊 | 16:15 |
| renee77 | now IRC can be closed and I still receive messages? | 16:16 |
| telegram | <@athoneycutt>: The bot will send IRC messages, yes | 16:16 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: Great I think this is easy-to-use | 16:17 |
| ahoneybun | that's the plan | 16:17 |
| ahoneybun | thanks for ovidiu-florin | 16:17 |
| ahoneybun | soee_ how does Tomb Raider work for you? | 16:18 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: 😊 also in here? | 16:18 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: pretty nice :) i think i finish it tomorrow :D | 16:18 |
| ahoneybun | kinda crap for me tbh | 16:18 |
| soee_ | why ? | 16:18 |
| ahoneybun | idk I have a little better card on the laptop then the desktop | 16:19 |
| ahoneybun | and it works better on the desktop | 16:19 |
| soee_ | did you played with the settings ? | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | tons | 16:20 |
| soee_ | as in my post - what setting you have for Laras hair ? :D | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | even added that ppa driver | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | your post? | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | normal | 16:20 |
| soee_ | what option you have for Hair quality set ? | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | normal | 16:21 |
| soee_ | ah should be fine than :/ | 16:21 |
| ahoneybun | normal | 16:21 |
| soee_ | what GPU you have ? | 16:21 |
| ahoneybun | geforce 750m | 16:21 |
| soee_ | than much better than me | 16:22 |
| soee_ | CPU ? | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | intel core i7 4th gen | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | 8gb ram | 16:22 |
| soee_ | rofl, than it should work pretty nice | 16:22 |
| soee_ | you tried on Linux? | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | that's what I'm running it on | 16:23 |
| ahoneybun | Kubuntu 16.04 | 16:23 |
| ahoneybun | Win 10 has much lower CPU but a Geforce 650 | 16:23 |
| soee_ | in System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Copositor -> Suspend compositor for fullscreen windows is checked ? | 16:23 |
| ahoneybun | no clur | 16:23 |
| ahoneybun | *e | 16:23 |
| soee_ | :o | 16:24 |
| ahoneybun | I'm running it in a window though | 16:24 |
| soee_ | please check and check this checkbox :D | 16:24 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: if I am correct you can see my pciture now? | 16:24 |
| soee_ | hmm it works nice in window also | 16:25 |
| telegram | <@marcinsagol>: @renee77 yes :) | 16:25 |
| ahoneybun | those videos from Sam's cam get stuck sometimes too | 16:25 |
| soee_ | oO | 16:25 |
| ahoneybun | very odd | 16:26 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: great so now I am someone real :D | 16:26 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: same if you run on default settings ? | 16:27 |
| soee_ | maybe only be sure you have the same screen resolution set as your display uses | 16:28 |
| ahoneybun | this game just runs so bad | 16:28 |
| ahoneybun | on my desktop I can keep 30 or so FPS | 16:28 |
| ahoneybun | here it gets to 10 with simple things | 16:29 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: something is wrong it shoudl work smoothly | 16:29 |
| ahoneybun | shadow of mordor had issues too | 16:29 |
| ahoneybun | same porter | 16:29 |
| soee_ | also im on latest Nvdia driver | 16:29 |
| ahoneybun | I'm using that graphics PPA with no real jump | 16:29 |
| soee_ | 364.19 | 16:29 |
| ahoneybun | no clue what I'm on | 16:30 |
| soee_ | type nvidia-settings in krunner | 16:30 |
| soee_ | and see what is shows :) | 16:30 |
| ahoneybun | yea i know | 16:30 |
| ahoneybun | 361.42 | 16:31 |
| soee_ | hmm maybe try to upgrade, not sure though if it will result in huge FPS impact | 16:31 |
| soee_ | but always good to try | 16:31 |
| ahoneybun | I updated yesterday | 16:31 |
| ahoneybun | just a bad port in opioion | 16:32 |
| soee_ | updated what ? | 16:32 |
| soee_ | drivers ? but you are not on latest version | 16:32 |
| ahoneybun | the driver of course | 16:32 |
| ahoneybun | that is what the PPA game me | 16:32 |
| ahoneybun | Driver Manager does not work anyway | 16:33 |
| soee_ | well: sudo apt install nvidia-364 | 16:33 |
| ahoneybun | maybe it does not support Bumblebee | 16:34 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: well i can't say bad thing about the port as it works nice on my laptop tat has lower specs than yours :D | 16:34 |
| ahoneybun | that's a pretty bad statement on it's own | 16:34 |
| ahoneybun | darn my internet is bad | 16:35 |
| ahoneybun | or LP is bad | 16:37 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/30/Screenshot_20160430_183618.png and http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/30/Screenshot_20160430_183617.png | 16:37 |
| ahoneybun | the heck | 16:38 |
| ahoneybun | something is broken | 16:38 |
| ahoneybun | yep that package is not downloading at all | 16:38 |
| soee_ | :D | 16:38 |
| soee_ | what package ? | 16:38 |
| ahoneybun | nvidia-364 of course | 16:39 |
| ahoneybun | mm 1d for 9000kbs | 16:40 |
| ahoneybun | something is wrong | 16:40 |
| soee_ | odd, using this pap right https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ? | 16:40 |
| ahoneybun | on the bright side, the steam conroller works | 16:40 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 16:40 |
| soee_ | :-) | 16:40 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: recommended GPU and driver: 3GB NVIDIA GeForce 760 (Driver version 364.12) | 16:50 |
| soee_ | https://www.feralinteractive.com/en/news/611/ | 16:50 |
| soee_ | in both specs they mention 364.12 | 16:50 |
| ahoneybun | mm | 16:56 |
| ahoneybun | my card has 2gbs | 16:56 |
| ahoneybun | though that is recommended | 16:56 |
| soee_ | first update driver :) | 16:56 |
| ahoneybun | if it will download | 16:57 |
| sgclark | clivejo: plasma is ready with yakkety branches if you want to work on plasma 5.6 | 17:32 |
| soee_ | :D | 17:34 |
| ahoneybun | soee_ 364.19 does not get a huge jump | 17:38 |
| ahoneybun | pretty sad | 17:39 |
| ahoneybun | I've even matched your settings | 17:39 |
| ahoneybun | Sick_rimmit_phon trying Chatter? | 17:39 |
| Sick_rimmit_phon | Hey, yes | 17:39 |
| Sick_rimmit_phon | Well done | 17:39 |
| Sick_rimmit_phon | It is pretty good | 17:39 |
| ahoneybun | bouncer support would be nice | 17:40 |
| soee_ | ahoneybun: lats thing - arou using soe huybrid gpu laptop and by any chance you are on intel profile not nvidia ? | 17:40 |
| ahoneybun | I looked and it says Nvidia | 17:41 |
| * soee_ thinks we need an exorcist now :) | 17:42 | |
| ahoneybun | ? | 17:42 |
| soee_ | this makes no sense, you have better machine and much worse performance | 17:43 |
| ahoneybun | yep I know | 17:43 |
| ahoneybun | very odd | 17:44 |
| soee_ | valorie, sgclark: can we update this page https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs and remove ppas that we dont use? people tend to use weekly ppa that is not updated almost a year now | 17:46 |
| soee_ | we culd completely remove from LP ppas we dont use | 17:47 |
| sgclark | I recall a thread about PPAs. Fine by me. only PPAs I use are staging/landing. Rest can be banished as far as I am concerned. | 17:48 |
| sgclark | at some point those daily/weekly CI ones will ove again, maybe. | 17:48 |
| soee_ | but we can tan easily create them if needed no? And now they just make people confused | 17:51 |
| sgclark | correct, sorry, yes please remove everything but staging/landing. and be clear that staging is generally broken. landing is really where folks need to be unless asked to test staging | 17:52 |
| soee_ | who has powers to remove those we don't need? | 17:52 |
| sgclark | I do but swamped with packaging. maybe valorie can later? | 17:53 |
| soee_ | i'll try to catch her and ask for help, thank you sgclark | 17:53 |
| clivejo | sgclark: has frameworks 5.21 for yakkety been uploaded? | 17:56 |
| sgclark | I just started :( I am only one person lol | 17:56 |
| clivejo | I think plasma 5.6 needs frameworks 5.21 | 17:57 |
| sgclark | clivejo: well can't you still run the script? things will likely need to be fixed anyway. | 17:58 |
| sgclark | I mean you don't have to, just seemed like you were eager to work on something | 18:02 |
| clivejo | yeah, but dont wanna step on your toes | 18:02 |
| sgclark | my toes have frameworks, plasma is open. applications soonish | 18:03 |
| clivejo | Ill need FW 5.21 for yakkety so that 5.6 builds | 18:03 |
| clivejo | how are the new branches working for you? | 18:04 |
| sgclark | exactly the same as the old ones :) | 18:04 |
| clivejo | no timeouts like we used to get on Alioth | 18:05 |
| sgclark | well except no CI which stinks IMO | 18:05 |
| sgclark | no problems yet | 18:05 |
| clivejo | hopefully get CI up and running again :) | 18:05 |
| soee_ | clivejo: so you were probably right saying that broken Activities switcher is due to older Plasma version :) | 18:07 |
| clivejo | well activities was split into different packages in FW5.21 | 18:08 |
| clivejo | and plasma 5.6 uses FW5.21 | 18:08 |
| soee_ | so this is required and lower Frameworks version is not supported in 5.6? | 18:09 |
| clivejo | not sure, we usually bump the versions to the lastest | 18:10 |
| clivejo | so in 5.6 Ill be build dep'ing on 5.21 | 18:10 |
| soee_ | ok | 18:11 |
| clivejo | they usually release frameworks, the plasma, then apps | 18:11 |
| clivejo | and cycle round and round | 18:11 |
| soee_ | well Frameworsk are released each month | 18:14 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| telegram | <@Renee77>: little little question, does anyone knows a voicechat app for ubuntu tablet? | 19:46 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: ☺️ | 19:47 |
| sgclark | don't have one sorry, sick_rimmit perhaps? | 19:47 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: I poke him when I do this @Sick_Rimmit | 19:48 |
| soee_ | Telegram has voice mesages not shure about realtme chat | 19:54 |
| valorie | does Big Blue Box run on the tablet, ahoneybun? | 20:10 |
| valorie | errr, maybe it's Rick who has one | 20:10 |
| sgclark | Rick | 20:10 |
| sgclark | afaik | 20:10 |
| soee_ | oh hiho valorie, have you read the ppas related conversation ? | 20:10 |
| telegram | <@Renee77>: lol | 20:11 |
| valorie | I have, and have the page up | 20:11 |
| valorie | but removing everything seems drastic | 20:12 |
| sgclark | well the old ppas have nothing but junk in them that if installed will surely break things | 20:12 |
| sgclark | we can always add them back if things change | 20:13 |
| sgclark | imo | 20:13 |
| soee_ | that is the point, we do not use them and they make people confused, i think until they are needed just drop them | 20:13 |
| sgclark | text is easier to fix than broken systems | 20:13 |
| valorie | certainly, but kubuntu-ppa/backports etc are still used, correct? | 20:14 |
| sgclark | mm yes of course. sorry | 20:14 |
| valorie | experimental -- certainly should be removed from the wiki page | 20:14 |
| sgclark | dont use that anymore | 20:14 |
| valorie | and I can remove the diagram with it | 20:14 |
| sgclark | No time to experiment! | 20:15 |
| valorie | right | 20:15 |
| valorie | so updates, backports can stay | 20:15 |
| valorie | beta backports sounds specialized | 20:16 |
| soee_ | valorie: can you remove them on Launchpad also ? | 20:16 |
| valorie | removed | 20:16 |
| valorie | no, I'm not a devel | 20:16 |
| soee_ | sgclark: can you hit the magic button on lp ? | 20:16 |
| sgclark | soee_: youo have to take thhat up with yofel | 20:16 |
| sgclark | yofel: is king on those decisions, not I | 20:16 |
| soee_ | i see, yofel you you could, please remove them | 20:16 |
| valorie | how about the CI stuff? | 20:22 |
| valorie | remove, or leave? | 20:22 |
| sgclark | well CI is completely broken right now. so remove but save the text for when it gets resurrected. | 20:22 |
| valorie | the text is always there in previous versions of the page | 20:23 |
| sgclark | alrighty | 20:23 |
| clivejo | sgclark: might be wise to pause CI or something | 20:24 |
| sgclark | oh. yes, no sense building stuff from debian git as we are not using it. | 20:25 |
| clivejo | it will just go crazy if it cant upload to LP PPA | 20:25 |
| valorie | it's a tiny page now | 20:25 |
| valorie | and in future I don't think testing PPAs should be added there at all | 20:26 |
| valorie | if we want a page for testing, it should be separate | 20:26 |
| soee_ | valorie: thank you for taking care of it | 20:27 |
| sgclark | clivejo: it can still upload to LP. But it is building using debian git which is senseless as we are not using that | 20:27 |
| clivejo | would have felt better if yofel was around to give a nod before deleting those | 20:27 |
| sgclark | anyway paused, good idea | 20:28 |
| sgclark | clivejo: no PPAs have been touched. I said yofel needs to do that. | 20:28 |
| sgclark | only text on a wiki | 20:28 |
| clivejo | oh ok | 20:28 |
| sgclark | I feel the same lol | 20:28 |
| valorie | clivejo: nothing is lost, even on the wiki | 20:29 |
| valorie | everything is there in the history | 20:29 |
| clivejo | yofel sees the big picture! | 20:29 |
| sgclark | exactly | 20:29 |
| valorie | but I think the page was much too complex | 20:29 |
| clivejo | I only see the wee bit I understand! | 20:29 |
| valorie | we'll whip up a tester page when we have something to test | 20:30 |
| sgclark | should have frameworks here shortly | 20:30 |
| soee_ | sgclark: there was only this one package with icons problem with Frameworks | 20:31 |
| soee_ | yofel: said maybe something with missing epoch | 20:31 |
| sgclark | soee_: umm I have no clue what you are talking about sorry | 20:31 |
| sgclark | oh | 20:31 |
| sgclark | oxygen-icons? | 20:31 |
| soee_ | yes the one i mentioned :) but it was tested on Xenial and you probably talks about YY now ? | 20:32 |
| sgclark | yeah, but it would have same issue if it is indeed epoch | 20:32 |
| clivejo | YY = Yucky Yogurt | 20:35 |
| valorie | yogurt is yummy! | 20:37 |
| clivejo | its rotten milk!! | 20:37 |
| clivejo | yuck! | 20:37 |
| valorie | not rotten | 20:37 |
| valorie | you probably wouldn't like the kefir I make every day | 20:38 |
| valorie | but if yogurt is rotten, then so is cheese | 20:39 |
| valorie | mmmmm, cheese | 20:39 |
| clivejo | cheese is rotten too | 20:41 |
| sgclark | omg cheese <3 | 20:42 |
| valorie | sgclark: the only "testing" ppa still on that page is staging | 20:43 |
| valorie | I'm thinking that should be removed as well? | 20:43 |
| valorie | since we don't want people using it except when asked | 20:44 |
| sgclark | well we have landing that can possibly be on that page | 20:44 |
| sgclark | but I still don't quite understand landing | 20:44 |
| sgclark | valorie: yeah lets keep that clean of testing cruft. and make a new one for testing | 20:45 |
| soee_ | isn't it like staging -> landing -> archive/backports ? | 20:45 |
| sgclark | yeah | 20:46 |
| sgclark | it is | 20:46 |
| soee_ | but where are langing? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa | 20:46 |
| soee_ | ah yes i see | 20:46 |
| valorie | now very minimal: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs | 20:46 |
| soee_ | so landing is a place where we test stuff before upload to archive/backports | 20:46 |
| soee_ | and staging where devs build and fix building | 20:47 |
| sgclark | ah. that makes sense | 20:47 |
| soee_ | so staging most likely is often broken, while staging usable | 20:47 |
| soee_ | *landing usable | 20:47 |
| sgclark | yes that sounds right | 20:48 |
| soee_ | sgclark: are we using https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/beta ? | 20:59 |
| sgclark | mm dunno. I honestly have not had tim eto package beta releases in a long time | 21:00 |
| sgclark | but that could change? if we get m.ore packagers | 21:00 |
| soee_ | last package updated there is 44 weeks old | 21:00 |
| sgclark | yep, backc when we had a full team | 21:01 |
| sgclark | with time to package beta releases | 21:01 |
| sgclark | the good ole days | 21:02 |
| valorie | if we get our dev all spiffed, it will happen | 21:03 |
| clivejo | you found anyone to join the team? | 21:04 |
| valorie | there are a few wanting to join, but finding it difficult to join in while we're in flux | 21:07 |
| valorie | so getting our workflow set and documented seems like a good first step | 21:07 |
| sgclark | awww but going in blind is so much more interesting | 21:09 |
| clivejo | indeed | 21:11 |
| clivejo | thrown in at the deep end | 21:11 |
| valorie | my practice is to walk in blind and just watch and listen for awhile | 21:11 |
| clivejo | either sink or swim! | 21:11 |
| clivejo | Im swimming to the bottom! | 21:12 |
| valorie | but then I usually read the manuals to things before using, too | 21:12 |
| valorie | and who does that? | 21:12 |
| sgclark | right? | 21:12 |
| valorie | seems silly, but I can't help doing it | 21:12 |
| sgclark | nah I tried to read docs on packaging. They are most outdated and crappy. | 21:13 |
| sgclark | Debian guide is the only useful one, but rather technical for the newbs | 21:13 |
| valorie | yes, I think ours needs to be simple and concise | 21:13 |
| valorie | not detailed, so it's immediately out of date | 21:14 |
| sgclark | right | 21:14 |
| valorie | I've worked through ours to setting up the pbuilder | 21:14 |
| valorie | but then got sidetracked by life | 21:15 |
| sgclark | and I think we need to start contributing to a doc that has all the corener cases and how we solved them, and ways to improve. | 21:15 |
| sgclark | yeah that darn life thing, gets in my way as well | 21:15 |
| sgclark | pesky life | 21:15 |
| valorie | sgclark: when you have a min, look through the doc and see what you think | 21:16 |
| valorie | we can wiki it when you think it's done | 21:16 |
| sgclark | I looked at it. seemed ok to me, yofel is much more expert than I | 21:17 |
| sgclark | but he is busy too | 21:17 |
| valorie | yup | 21:20 |
| valorie | so have you met your mentor in Debian, got your devel account set up, and etc.? | 21:21 |
| sgclark | yep | 21:21 |
| valorie | I'm wondering how close their procedures are to ours | 21:21 |
| valorie | what sort of stuff are you reading for background? | 21:21 |
| sgclark | um wut? | 21:22 |
| valorie | for coding tasks, usually the students are reading wiki pages, reading the code base, and so forth | 21:22 |
| valorie | but for sysadmin stuff like you're doing, I dunno? | 21:23 |
| sgclark | I am doing this: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds I already have 3 patches accepted. | 21:23 |
| sgclark | I am ready! well except for getting stuff done in my other hats. | 21:24 |
| valorie | that is so cool | 21:24 |
| valorie | do you think Ubuntu will do this as well? | 21:25 |
| sgclark | oh and I need to put my blog on debian planet | 21:25 |
| valorie | once Debian has it all under control | 21:25 |
| sgclark | ubuntu will by proxy with merges | 21:25 |
| valorie | sgclark: you should blog about scale | 21:25 |
| valorie | and your new computer! | 21:25 |
| sgclark | scale? | 21:25 |
| valorie | didn't you go? | 21:26 |
| sgclark | that was sooo long ago I have forgetten | 21:26 |
| valorie | lol | 21:26 |
| sgclark | yes I need to blog more. | 21:26 |
| sgclark | I know :( | 21:26 |
| valorie | well, what I was thinking is that yes, ubuntu does merges | 21:26 |
| valorie | but also has stuff that Debian doesn't | 21:27 |
| valorie | so will they do reproducible builds on that other stuff too | 21:27 |
| sgclark | I don't know if they will do it on their own. The post I read was by natural merges | 21:27 |
| valorie | it seems like the more distros who do this, the better over-all security of FLOSS software | 21:28 |
| sgclark | yes | 21:28 |
| valorie | I met the author of this blogpost at akademy: https://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/19/really-source-code-software | 21:32 |
| sgclark | Oh cool | 21:33 |
| valorie | he works for the UN or so | 21:33 |
| valorie | his talk was about running old software on new hardware, like a software museum | 21:34 |
| valorie | they were looking for the first codebase of KDE from 20 years ago | 21:34 |
| valorie | I was asking all the old-timers if they might have a backup somewhere | 21:34 |
| sgclark | wow | 21:34 |
| valorie | that was before version control | 21:35 |
| valorie | well gosh, I guess I can't put off mowing the lawn any longer | 21:37 |
| clivejo | you can mow mine too | 21:37 |
| sgclark | hehe yeha I have to go to the store | 21:37 |
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