[03:14] <sgclark> woot well have the clones and checkouts working. now for the push to LP. and learning ruby to boot haha
[04:03] <valorie> woooooooo! Good on you sgclark!
[04:06] <sgclark> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/attica
[04:07] <sgclark> push working :) now to unleash on all frameworks
[04:11] <valorie> weeeeeee
[04:13] <ahoneybun> so git is now on LP?
[04:14] <valorie> not just git, but OUR git
[04:15] <ahoneybun> sweet!
[04:17] <sgclark> well not quite. it worked on single repo but went boom on list. debugging.
[04:17] <sgclark> I am just learning ruby doing this :)
[04:17] <ahoneybun> :)
[04:27] <valorie> sitter and shadeslayer are both ruby lovers
[04:37] <sgclark> ok now pushing frameworks including tags
[04:38] <sgclark> I will let clivejo clean up as he wanted everything lol
[04:39] <valorie> lol
[04:44] <ahoneybun> XD
[04:44] <ahoneybun> almost 1am here ..
[04:50] <sgclark> oh valorie looks like we are in the clear, no walking papers and they were suppose to be notified by today.
[04:50] <valorie> excellent
[04:51] <valorie> pretty bad for 12,000 people though
[04:51] <sgclark> no kidding
[04:51] <sgclark> very scary
[04:51] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[04:51] <sgclark> a little to close for comfort. So I still need to re-evaluate my career lol
[04:52] <sgclark> ut hey I now can tack on ruby to my skillset!
[04:52] <valorie> indeed!
[04:52]  * sgclark pats herself on the back
[04:52]  * ahoneybun hugs sgclark 
[04:53] <valorie> how far does this move get us to our goal of "fix dev"?
[04:53] <sgclark> well
[04:53] <sgclark> it totally breaks CI
[04:53] <sgclark> but
[04:54] <sgclark> we break the barrior of entry
[04:54] <sgclark> CI will need some magic scripting done
[04:54] <valorie> how hard will it be to fix CI
[04:54] <valorie> ?
[04:54] <valorie> you are the "magic scripting" goddess, I think
[04:55] <sgclark> from the sounds of it, it will be nasty. We have to write a script that triggers from some website when a commit is made. Dunno.
[04:55] <sgclark> Not really, but it does seem that I can figure it out when I try lol
[05:26] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo: assuming my internet does not die everything should be in LP git when you wake up.
[05:26] <sgclark> I am off to get sleep unlike last night haha.
[05:28] <valorie> sweet dreams, scarlett
[05:28] <sgclark> shadeslayer: thanks for the ruby-git hint, worked like a charm.
[05:28] <sgclark> ty valorie
[07:48] <soee> good morning
[13:13] <renee77> hello
[13:18] <sgclark> hiyas
[13:32] <clivejo> hi sgclark
[13:32] <clivejo> could you pastebin the commands you used for git copy?
[13:33] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:33] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[13:34] <sgclark> clivejo: I ended up writing an entire ruby script
[13:38] <clivejo> do you have them all locally?
[13:43] <clivejo> sgclark: do you reckon its just a case of changing the debian url to lp here - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/conf/git-clone-all.json
[13:44] <sgclark> I don't know, it failed on kde-spectacle, and I need to fix that, but I am busy fighting with a bug from hell. I have not used any of the new scripts successfully.
[13:56] <clivejo> soee_: hows plasma and apps coming along?
[14:03] <sgclark> alright spectacle fixed, rest of apps running now
[14:05] <sgclark> clivejo:  git.launchpad.net:/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/*.git should do the trick
[14:05] <sgclark> but apps still uploading
[14:05] <sgclark> it failed when I was asleep. fixed now.
[14:06] <clivejo> would it be easier for you to create dev aka yak branches as you have them all local ?
[14:06] <sgclark> That was my plan yes
[14:07] <sbivol> hi, I found a typo on kde.org: "Delivering an Long-Term Release (LTS) release" should probably be ""Delivering a Long Term Support (LTS) release
[14:07] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: ^^
[14:07] <sbivol> sorry, kubuntu.org: http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement
[14:08] <sgclark> yofel: if you could check that my repos are sane and what you expect.
[14:09] <sgclark> guess our scripts will all need to be adjusted. Not even sure where to start with CI issues
[14:09] <sgclark> sbivol: thank you, will let webteam know
[14:23] <clivejo> sgclark: any ETA on when you might have a yakkety branch for all packages on LP?
[14:24] <clivejo> Im currently trying to hack the staging script to work with LP
[14:35] <sgclark> clivejo: the applications are not even switched yet. Patience.
[14:38] <sgclark> just barfed on ktp
[14:59] <clivejo> whats it barfing over?
[14:59] <sgclark> fixed. It is the packages names that do not match repo name.
[15:00] <clivejo> isnt there a json file that defines those?
[15:00] <clivejo> ie discover =>plasma-discover
[15:00] <sgclark> is there? didn't know
[15:00] <sgclark> too late now
[15:01] <clivejo> do you never use the staging scripts?
[15:02] <sgclark> of course I do...
[15:02] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/package-name-list
[15:02] <clivejo>   "discover": "plasma-discover",
[15:02] <clivejo>                               "spectacle": "kde-spectacle",
[15:27] <clivejo> sgclark: ping
[15:34] <clivejo> soee_: ping
[15:36] <soee_> clivejo: pong
[15:36] <sgclark> clivejo: yes?
[15:37] <clivejo> soee_: if you have time and want to help can you compare these two lists of frameworks http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/5.21/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/16150319/
[15:37] <clivejo> sgclark: Im hacking the KA scripts to use LP
[15:37] <soee_> clivejo: only packges names ?
[15:38] <sgclark> clivejo: ok? please commit then.
[15:38] <clivejo> Ive cloned frameworks locally and wanted to try adding kubuntu_yakkety_archive branch
[15:39] <clivejo> soee_: yes, just make sure they are all there
[15:39] <sgclark> oh ffs
[15:39] <sgclark> please don't touch my frameworks clivejo
[15:39] <sgclark> if you want to work on something do plasma
[15:39] <sgclark> I am writing a script to create the branches now
[15:39] <sgclark> good grief
[15:39] <clivejo> what you mean? you are working on xenial backports, no?
[15:40] <sgclark> the same work can be applied to yakkety no?
[15:40] <sgclark> frameworks are mine, I already did all the hard work
[15:40]  * clivejo gulps
[15:40] <clivejo> sorry
[15:53] <soee_> clivejo: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/30/Screenshot_20160430_175222.png
[15:54] <soee_> middle top columns shows what 5.21 list has and what the second one does not, and bottom center column shows what more more the second list has comapred to 5.21
[15:55] <soee_> so in 5.21 we have new: kactivities-stats but it does not contain: kdelibs4support, khtml, kjs,kjsembed, kmediaplayer, kross, krunner
[15:57] <renee77> hi
[15:57] <soee_> hiho renee77
[15:59] <renee77> do you know how telegram works with irc?
[15:59] <renee77> or how to make it work ;-)
[16:00] <soee_> well we have a bot that sends messages irc <-> telegram
[16:00] <renee77> I found that bot
 This is me writing on telegram :)
[16:01] <soee_> renee77: you dont have to configure enyting
[16:01] <soee_> you just write here or on Telegram channel and that is all,  the bot do the communication automatically
[16:02] <renee77> how to write to kubuntu-devel than?
[16:02] <soee_> write from telegram -> here ?
[16:03] <renee77> yes
[16:03] <soee_> renee77: just join 'kubuntu-devel' channel on telegram
[16:03] <soee_> when you ar eon channels lis in telegram click the search icon and type the channel room and join it
[16:06] <soee_> renee77: yuhave the same nick on telegram no ?
[16:06] <renee77> yes I have
[16:06] <soee_> let me catch you
[16:06] <renee77> thank you
[16:09] <soee_> ahoneybun: ping
 @ovidiuflorin is an invite required to join here?
 /invite rene77
[16:12] <renee77> :) renee77
 But still it won't work I think
[16:13]  * ahoneybun stops messing with kdenlive 
[16:13] <ahoneybun> yes soee_
[16:13] <soee_> ahoneybun: can you invite rene77 on Telegram to Kubuntu-devel chan ?
[16:13] <soee_> *renee77
[16:14] <ahoneybun> I need her username on telegram
[16:14] <soee_> ahoneybun: as i typed above
[16:14] <renee77> same :)
[16:15] <telegram> @Renee77 was added by: @athoneycutt
 Done
 Nice thank you
[16:15] <ahoneybun> np
[16:15] <soee_> thanks ahoneybun
[16:15] <ahoneybun> np lol
 😊
[16:16] <renee77> now IRC can be closed and I still receive messages?
 The bot will send IRC messages, yes
 Great I think this is easy-to-use
[16:17] <ahoneybun> that's the plan
[16:17] <ahoneybun> thanks for ovidiu-florin
[16:18] <ahoneybun> soee_ how does Tomb Raider work for you?
 😊 also in here?
[16:18] <soee_> ahoneybun: pretty nice :) i think i finish it tomorrow :D
[16:18] <ahoneybun> kinda crap for me tbh
[16:18] <soee_> why ?
[16:19] <ahoneybun> idk I have a little better card on the laptop then the desktop
[16:19] <ahoneybun> and it works better on the desktop
[16:20] <soee_> did you played with the settings ?
[16:20] <ahoneybun> tons
[16:20] <soee_> as in my post - what setting you have for Laras hair ? :D
[16:20] <ahoneybun> even added that ppa driver
[16:20] <ahoneybun> your post?
[16:20] <ahoneybun> normal
[16:20] <soee_> what option you have for Hair quality set ?
[16:21] <ahoneybun> normal
[16:21] <soee_> ah should be fine than :/
[16:21] <ahoneybun> normal
[16:21] <soee_> what GPU you have ?
[16:21] <ahoneybun> geforce 750m
[16:22] <soee_> than much better than me
[16:22] <soee_> CPU ?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> intel core i7 4th gen
[16:22] <ahoneybun> 8gb ram
[16:22] <soee_> rofl, than it should work pretty nice
[16:22] <soee_> you tried on Linux?
[16:23] <ahoneybun> that's what I'm running it on
[16:23] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu 16.04
[16:23] <ahoneybun> Win 10 has much lower CPU but a Geforce 650
[16:23] <soee_> in System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Copositor -> Suspend compositor for fullscreen windows is checked ? 
[16:23] <ahoneybun> no clur
[16:23] <ahoneybun> *e
[16:24] <soee_> :o
[16:24] <ahoneybun> I'm running it in a window though
[16:24] <soee_> please check and check this checkbox :D
 if I am correct you can see my pciture now?
[16:25] <soee_> hmm it works nice in window also
 @renee77 yes :)
[16:25] <ahoneybun> those videos from Sam's cam get stuck sometimes too
[16:25] <soee_> oO
[16:26] <ahoneybun> very odd
 great so now I am someone real :D
[16:27] <soee_> ahoneybun: same if you run on default settings ?
[16:28] <soee_> maybe only be sure you have the same screen resolution set as your display uses
[16:28] <ahoneybun> this game just runs so bad
[16:28] <ahoneybun> on my desktop I can keep 30 or so FPS
[16:29] <ahoneybun> here it gets to 10 with simple things
[16:29] <soee_> ahoneybun: something is wrong it shoudl work smoothly
[16:29] <ahoneybun> shadow of mordor had issues too
[16:29] <ahoneybun> same porter
[16:29] <soee_> also im on latest Nvdia driver
[16:29] <ahoneybun> I'm using that graphics PPA with no real jump
[16:29] <soee_> 364.19
[16:30] <ahoneybun> no clue what I'm on
[16:30] <soee_> type nvidia-settings in krunner
[16:30] <soee_> and see what is shows :)
[16:30] <ahoneybun> yea i know
[16:31] <ahoneybun> 361.42
[16:31] <soee_> hmm maybe try to upgrade, not sure though if it will result in huge FPS impact
[16:31] <soee_> but always good to try
[16:31] <ahoneybun> I updated yesterday
[16:32] <ahoneybun> just a bad port in opioion
[16:32] <soee_> updated what ?
[16:32] <soee_> drivers ? but you are not on latest version
[16:32] <ahoneybun> the driver of course
[16:32] <ahoneybun> that is what the PPA game me
[16:33] <ahoneybun> Driver Manager does not work anyway
[16:33] <soee_> well: sudo apt install nvidia-364
[16:34] <ahoneybun> maybe it does not support Bumblebee
[16:34] <soee_> ahoneybun: well i can't say bad thing about the port as it  works nice on my laptop tat has lower specs than yours :D
[16:34] <ahoneybun> that's a pretty bad statement on it's own
[16:35] <ahoneybun> darn my internet is bad
[16:37] <ahoneybun> or LP is bad
[16:37] <soee_> ahoneybun: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/30/Screenshot_20160430_183618.png and http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/30/Screenshot_20160430_183617.png
[16:38] <ahoneybun> the heck
[16:38] <ahoneybun> something is broken 
[16:38] <ahoneybun> yep that package is not downloading at all
[16:38] <soee_> :D
[16:38] <soee_> what package ?
[16:39] <ahoneybun> nvidia-364 of course
[16:40] <ahoneybun> mm 1d for 9000kbs
[16:40] <ahoneybun> something is wrong
[16:40] <soee_> odd, using this pap right https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ?
[16:40] <ahoneybun> on the bright side, the steam conroller works
[16:40] <ahoneybun> yea
[16:40] <soee_> :-)
[16:50] <soee_> ahoneybun: recommended GPU and driver: 3GB NVIDIA GeForce 760 (Driver version 364.12)
[16:50] <soee_> https://www.feralinteractive.com/en/news/611/
[16:50] <soee_> in both specs they mention 364.12
[16:56] <ahoneybun> mm
[16:56] <ahoneybun> my card has 2gbs
[16:56] <ahoneybun> though that is recommended
[16:56] <soee_> first update driver :)
[16:57] <ahoneybun> if it will download 
[17:32] <sgclark> clivejo: plasma is ready with yakkety branches if you want to work on plasma 5.6
[17:34] <soee_> :D
[17:38] <ahoneybun> soee_ 364.19 does not get a huge jump
[17:39] <ahoneybun> pretty sad 
[17:39] <ahoneybun> I've even matched your settings
[17:39] <ahoneybun> Sick_rimmit_phon trying Chatter?
[17:39] <Sick_rimmit_phon> Hey, yes
[17:39] <Sick_rimmit_phon> Well done
[17:39] <Sick_rimmit_phon> It is pretty good
[17:40] <ahoneybun> bouncer support would be nice
[17:40] <soee_> ahoneybun: lats thing - arou using soe huybrid gpu laptop and by any chance you are on intel profile not nvidia ?
[17:41] <ahoneybun> I looked and it says Nvidia
[17:42]  * soee_ thinks we need an exorcist now :)
[17:42] <ahoneybun> ?
[17:43] <soee_> this makes no sense, you have better machine and much worse performance
[17:43] <ahoneybun> yep I know
[17:44] <ahoneybun> very odd
[17:46] <soee_> valorie, sgclark: can we update this page https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs and remove ppas that we dont use? people tend to use weekly ppa that is not updated almost a year now
[17:47] <soee_> we culd completely remove from LP ppas we dont use
[17:48] <sgclark> I recall a thread about PPAs. Fine by me. only PPAs I use are staging/landing. Rest can be banished as far as I am concerned.
[17:48] <sgclark> at some point those daily/weekly CI ones will ove again, maybe.
[17:51] <soee_> but we can tan easily create them if needed no? And now they just make people confused
[17:52] <sgclark> correct, sorry, yes please remove everything but staging/landing. and be clear that staging is generally broken. landing is really where folks need to be unless asked to test staging
[17:52] <soee_> who has powers to remove those we don't need?
[17:53] <sgclark> I do but swamped with packaging. maybe valorie can later?
[17:53] <soee_> i'll try to catch her and ask for help, thank you sgclark
[17:56] <clivejo> sgclark: has frameworks 5.21 for yakkety been uploaded?
[17:56] <sgclark> I just started :( I am only one person lol
[17:57] <clivejo> I think plasma 5.6 needs frameworks 5.21
[17:58] <sgclark> clivejo: well can't you still run the script? things will likely need to be fixed anyway.
[18:02] <sgclark> I mean you don't have to, just seemed like you were eager to work on something
[18:02] <clivejo> yeah, but dont wanna step on your toes
[18:03] <sgclark> my toes have frameworks, plasma is open. applications soonish
[18:03] <clivejo> Ill need FW 5.21 for yakkety so that 5.6 builds
[18:04] <clivejo> how are the new branches working for you?
[18:04] <sgclark> exactly the same as the old ones :)
[18:05] <clivejo> no timeouts like we used to get on Alioth
[18:05] <sgclark> well except no CI which stinks IMO
[18:05] <sgclark> no problems yet
[18:05] <clivejo> hopefully get CI up and running again :)
[18:07] <soee_> clivejo: so you were probably right saying that broken Activities switcher is due to older Plasma version :)
[18:08] <clivejo> well activities was split into different packages in FW5.21
[18:08] <clivejo> and plasma 5.6 uses FW5.21
[18:09] <soee_> so this is required and lower Frameworks version is not supported in 5.6?
[18:10] <clivejo> not sure, we usually bump the versions to the lastest
[18:10] <clivejo> so in 5.6 Ill be build dep'ing on 5.21
[18:11] <soee_> ok
[18:11] <clivejo> they usually release frameworks, the plasma, then apps
[18:11] <clivejo> and cycle round and round
[18:14] <soee_> well Frameworsk are released each month
 little little question, does anyone knows a voicechat app for ubuntu tablet?
 ☺️
[19:47] <sgclark> don't have one sorry, sick_rimmit perhaps?
 I poke him when I do this @Sick_Rimmit
[19:54] <soee_> Telegram has voice mesages not shure about realtme chat
[20:10] <valorie> does Big Blue Box run on the tablet, ahoneybun?
[20:10] <valorie> errr, maybe it's Rick who has one
[20:10] <sgclark> Rick
[20:10] <sgclark> afaik
[20:10] <soee_> oh hiho valorie, have you read the ppas related conversation ?
 lol
[20:11] <valorie> I have, and have the page up
[20:12] <valorie> but removing everything seems drastic
[20:12] <sgclark> well the old ppas have nothing but junk in them that if installed will surely break things
[20:13] <sgclark> we can always add them back if things change
[20:13] <sgclark> imo
[20:13] <soee_> that is the point, we do not use them and they make people confused, i think until they are needed just drop them
[20:13] <sgclark> text is easier to fix than broken systems
[20:14] <valorie> certainly, but kubuntu-ppa/backports etc are still used, correct?
[20:14] <sgclark> mm yes of course. sorry
[20:14] <valorie> experimental -- certainly should be removed from the wiki page
[20:14] <sgclark> dont use that anymore
[20:14] <valorie> and I can remove the diagram with it
[20:15] <sgclark> No time to experiment!
[20:15] <valorie> right
[20:15] <valorie> so updates, backports can stay
[20:16] <valorie> beta backports sounds specialized
[20:16] <soee_> valorie: can you remove them on Launchpad also ?
[20:16] <valorie> removed
[20:16] <valorie> no, I'm not a devel
[20:16] <soee_> sgclark: can you hit the magic button on lp ?
[20:16] <sgclark> soee_: youo have to take thhat up with yofel
[20:16] <sgclark> yofel: is king on those decisions, not I
[20:16] <soee_> i see, yofel you you could, please remove them
[20:22] <valorie> how about the CI stuff?
[20:22] <valorie> remove, or leave?
[20:22] <sgclark> well CI is completely broken right now. so remove but save the text for when it gets resurrected.
[20:23] <valorie> the text is always there in previous versions of the page
[20:23] <sgclark> alrighty
[20:24] <clivejo> sgclark: might be wise to pause CI or something
[20:25] <sgclark> oh. yes, no sense building stuff from debian git as we are not using it.
[20:25] <clivejo> it will just go crazy if it cant upload to LP PPA
[20:25] <valorie> it's a tiny page now
[20:26] <valorie> and in future I don't think testing PPAs should be added there at all
[20:26] <valorie> if we want a page for testing, it should be separate
[20:27] <soee_> valorie: thank you for taking care of it
[20:27] <sgclark> clivejo: it can still upload to LP. But it is building using debian git which is senseless as we are not using that
[20:27] <clivejo> would have felt better if yofel was around to give a nod before deleting those
[20:28] <sgclark> anyway paused, good idea
[20:28] <sgclark> clivejo: no PPAs have been touched. I said yofel needs to do that.
[20:28] <sgclark> only text on a wiki
[20:28] <clivejo> oh ok
[20:28] <sgclark> I feel the same lol
[20:29] <valorie> clivejo: nothing is lost, even on the wiki
[20:29] <valorie> everything is there in the history
[20:29] <clivejo> yofel sees the big picture!
[20:29] <sgclark> exactly
[20:29] <valorie> but I think the page was much too complex
[20:29] <clivejo> I only see the wee bit I understand!
[20:30] <valorie> we'll whip up a tester page when we have something to test
[20:30] <sgclark> should have frameworks here shortly
[20:31] <soee_> sgclark: there was only this one package with icons problem with Frameworks
[20:31] <soee_> yofel: said maybe something with missing epoch 
[20:31] <sgclark> soee_: umm I have no clue what you are talking about sorry
[20:31] <sgclark> oh
[20:31] <sgclark> oxygen-icons?
[20:32] <soee_> yes the one i mentioned :) but it was tested on Xenial and you probably talks about YY now ?
[20:32] <sgclark> yeah, but it would have same issue if it is indeed epoch
[20:35] <clivejo> YY = Yucky Yogurt
[20:37] <valorie> yogurt is yummy!
[20:37] <clivejo> its rotten milk!!
[20:37] <clivejo> yuck!
[20:37] <valorie> not rotten
[20:38] <valorie> you probably wouldn't like the kefir I make every day
[20:39] <valorie> but if yogurt is rotten, then so is cheese
[20:39] <valorie> mmmmm, cheese
[20:41] <clivejo> cheese is rotten too
[20:42] <sgclark> omg cheese <3
[20:43] <valorie> sgclark: the only "testing" ppa still on that page is staging
[20:43] <valorie> I'm thinking that should be removed as well?
[20:44] <valorie> since we don't want people using it except when asked
[20:44] <sgclark> well we have landing that can possibly be on that page
[20:44] <sgclark> but I still don't quite understand landing
[20:45] <sgclark> valorie: yeah lets keep that clean of testing cruft. and make a new one for testing
[20:45] <soee_> isn't it like staging -> landing -> archive/backports ?
[20:46] <sgclark> yeah
[20:46] <sgclark> it is
[20:46] <soee_> but where are langing? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[20:46] <soee_> ah yes i see
[20:46] <valorie> now very minimal: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs
[20:46] <soee_> so landing is a place where we test stuff before upload to archive/backports
[20:47] <soee_> and staging where devs build and fix building
[20:47] <sgclark> ah. that makes sense
[20:47] <soee_> so staging most likely is often broken, while staging usable
[20:47] <soee_> *landing usable
[20:48] <sgclark> yes that sounds right
[20:59] <soee_> sgclark: are we using https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/beta ?
[21:00] <sgclark> mm dunno. I honestly have not had tim eto package beta releases in a long time
[21:00] <sgclark> but that could change? if we get m.ore packagers
[21:00] <soee_> last package updated there is 44 weeks old
[21:01] <sgclark> yep, backc when we had a full team
[21:01] <sgclark> with time to package beta releases
[21:02] <sgclark> the good ole days
[21:03] <valorie> if we get our dev all spiffed, it will happen
[21:04] <clivejo> you found anyone to join the team?
[21:07] <valorie> there are a few wanting to join, but finding it difficult to join in while we're in flux
[21:07] <valorie> so getting our workflow set and documented seems like a good first step
[21:09] <sgclark> awww but going in blind is so much more interesting
[21:11] <clivejo> indeed
[21:11] <clivejo> thrown in at the deep end
[21:11] <valorie> my practice is to walk in blind and just watch and listen for awhile
[21:11] <clivejo> either sink or swim!
[21:12] <clivejo> Im swimming to the bottom!
[21:12] <valorie> but then I usually read the manuals to things before using, too
[21:12] <valorie> and who does that?
[21:12] <sgclark> right?
[21:12] <valorie> seems silly, but I can't help doing it
[21:13] <sgclark> nah I tried to read docs on packaging. They are most outdated and crappy.
[21:13] <sgclark> Debian guide is the only useful one, but rather technical for the newbs
[21:13] <valorie> yes, I think ours needs to be simple and concise
[21:14] <valorie> not detailed, so it's immediately out of date
[21:14] <sgclark> right
[21:14] <valorie> I've worked through ours to setting up the pbuilder
[21:15] <valorie> but then got sidetracked by life
[21:15] <sgclark> and I think we need to start contributing to a doc that has all the corener cases and how we solved them, and ways to improve.
[21:15] <sgclark> yeah that darn life thing, gets in my way as well
[21:15] <sgclark> pesky life
[21:16] <valorie> sgclark: when you have a min, look through the doc and see what you think
[21:16] <valorie> we can wiki it when you think it's done
[21:17] <sgclark> I looked at it. seemed ok to me, yofel is much more expert than I 
[21:17] <sgclark> but he is busy too
[21:20] <valorie> yup
[21:21] <valorie> so have you met your mentor in Debian, got your devel account set up, and etc.?
[21:21] <sgclark> yep
[21:21] <valorie> I'm wondering how close their procedures are to ours
[21:21] <valorie> what sort of stuff are you reading for background?
[21:22] <sgclark> um wut?
[21:22] <valorie> for coding tasks, usually the students are reading wiki pages, reading the code base, and so forth
[21:23] <valorie> but for sysadmin stuff like you're doing, I dunno?
[21:23] <sgclark> I am doing this: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds I already have 3 patches accepted.
[21:24] <sgclark> I am ready! well except for getting stuff done in my other hats.
[21:24] <valorie> that is so cool
[21:25] <valorie> do you think Ubuntu will do this as well?
[21:25] <sgclark> oh and I need to put my blog on debian planet
[21:25] <valorie> once Debian has it all under control
[21:25] <sgclark> ubuntu will by proxy with merges
[21:25] <valorie> sgclark: you should blog about scale
[21:25] <valorie> and your new computer!
[21:25] <sgclark> scale?
[21:26] <valorie> didn't you go?
[21:26] <sgclark> that was sooo long ago I have forgetten
[21:26] <valorie> lol
[21:26] <sgclark> yes I need to blog more.
[21:26] <sgclark> I know :(
[21:26] <valorie> well, what I was thinking is that yes, ubuntu does merges
[21:27] <valorie> but also has stuff that Debian doesn't
[21:27] <valorie> so will they do reproducible builds on that other stuff too
[21:27] <sgclark> I don't know if they will do it on their own. The post I read was by natural merges
[21:28] <valorie> it seems like the more distros who do this, the better over-all security of FLOSS software
[21:28] <sgclark> yes
[21:32] <valorie> I met the author of this blogpost at akademy: https://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/19/really-source-code-software
[21:33] <sgclark> Oh cool
[21:33] <valorie> he works for the UN or so
[21:34] <valorie> his talk was about running old software on new hardware, like a software museum
[21:34] <valorie> they were looking for the first codebase of KDE from 20 years ago
[21:34] <valorie> I was asking all the old-timers if they might have a backup somewhere
[21:34] <sgclark> wow
[21:35] <valorie> that was before version control
[21:37] <valorie> well gosh, I guess I can't put off mowing the lawn any longer
[21:37] <clivejo> you can mow mine too
[21:37] <sgclark> hehe yeha I have to go to the store