[19:03] <tsimonq2> phillw: my metapackage is recommended on the wiki page because it has a DM and such
[19:31] <ianorlin> does it also have the lubuntu artwork?
[19:31] <ianorlin> tsimonq2, ^
[19:31] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: yes it does
[19:31] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: I'm hacking on it now
[19:32] <tsimonq2> we'll have a lightdm greeter soon, right from the Lubuntu sources
[19:32] <tsimonq2> (hopefully)
[19:32] <ianorlin> yeah sudo apt-get install lxqt does not bring that in
[19:32] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: don't use that, that's Debian's
[19:33] <tsimonq2> I'm ensuring my package has everything you need
[19:33] <tsimonq2> and Julien's is a bit weird, breaks regularly
[19:34] <ianorlin> juliens is upstream git
[19:35] <tsimonq2> but it breaks frequently, better to use the packages in the repos, I'd be curious to see if we can get Snappy packages working :)
[19:36] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: do you want to mess with Snappy packages or should I?
[20:19] <ianorlin> tsimonq2, I don't really have much insterest in snappy that much I kind of have a lot of trouble groking yaml for an inexplicable reason
[20:21] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: do you want to try and learn or would you like me to just play with it? :)
[21:02] <ianorlin> go ahead
[21:09] <tsimonq2> thanks ianorlin :)
[21:54] <agaida> tsimonq2: if you have access to the daily-ppa - hack the damn tasksel and be done with it - dont reinvent the wheel everytime
[21:55]  * agaida wonders about NIH-syndrom
[22:28] <tsimonq2> agaida: heh, that's Julien's PPA
[22:28] <tsimonq2> agaida: I only have access to ppa:tsimonq2/lxqt-meta
[22:28] <agaida> :)
[22:29]  * agaida suggest a brainstorming with the title "Teamwork"
[22:29] <agaida> or "How to bundle efforts"
[22:29] <tsimonq2> I agree fully
[22:29] <tsimonq2> apparently he wants us to use the Debian LXQt metapackage
[22:30] <tsimonq2> which, don't get me wrong, I love Debian and I love LXQt and a mix of the two
[22:30] <tsimonq2> but the NIH syndrome that makes Lubutnu different from LXDE should make Lubuntu different from LXQt
[22:31] <agaida> and exactly this i had in mind as i began the desktop tast
[22:31] <agaida> task even
[22:32] <tsimonq2> what did you have in mind? sorry
[22:32] <agaida> derivatives
[22:32] <tsimonq2> I see
[22:33] <agaida> you will find a lot of alternatives in that task-package, may it sddm|openboy|xwindowmanager or so
[22:33] <agaida> dm, tsss
[22:33] <tsimonq2> but we have the Lubuntu artwork and such that makes bundling it all in one metapackage impractical, I love the efforts made by you guys and the LXQt guys, but IMHO if we can't just take the LXDE metapackage from Debian, we can't take the LXQt metapackage from Debian
[22:34] <tsimonq2> you get my point?
[22:34] <phillw> tsimonq2: that is why it comes in two parts :)
[22:35] <agaida> lqubuntu-meta: Depends: lxqt; Recommends: lubuntu-artwork, {list of packages}
[22:35] <tsimonq2> !info lqubuntu-meta
[22:35] <tsimonq2> !info lqubuntu-meta yakkety
[22:35] <agaida> it isn't a package right now
[22:36] <agaida> but its the way to go - extend the meta-package(s) and tasks with own things and be done
[22:36] <tsimonq2> well this is why I hacked my metapackage together (fully compliant with Debian standards version 3.9.7 BTW)
[22:36] <phillw> indeed :)
[22:36] <tsimonq2> because we don't have that yet
[22:36] <agaida> 3.9.7 is far outdated
[22:36] <tsimonq2> hmm
[22:36] <agaida> :P
[22:37] <tsimonq2> them I might be wrong with that, hold on
[22:37] <agaida> no, the standards are ok for xenial
[22:38]  * tsimonq2 thought it was 3.9.8 but whatever
[22:38] <tsimonq2> I'll read the checklist and upgrade tonight :)
[22:39] <tsimonq2> anyways
[22:44] <tsimonq2> agaida: you think my package has outdated standards? lubuntu-meta:
[22:44] <tsimonq2> Standards-Version: 3.8.3
[22:48] <agaida> hrhrhr
[22:49] <agaida> isn't that important - compats are important
[22:49] <tsimonq2> that's just the number?
[22:50] <tsimonq2> if so, I'm at 9
[22:50] <agaida> and thats current
[22:51] <tsimonq2> agaida: lubuntu-meta is at 7
[22:51] <agaida> it isnt important for metapackages
[22:52] <agaida> you only declare with debian/compat to which helper you are compatible
[22:53] <agaida> so if you are in need of some modern stuff you are doomed if compat is set to 5 or so
[22:57] <tsimonq2> agaida: so what is the plan for Lubuntu LXQt packages going forward?
[22:57] <agaida> which plan?
[22:57] <tsimonq2> metapackages
[22:58] <tsimonq2> what's in Debian?
[22:58] <agaida> i would build metapackages like for lxde - maybe learn some lessons from the past and done
[23:00] <tsimonq2> so we don't have Lubuntu LXQt metapackages in Debian?
[23:00] <agaida> why should debian take care of lubuntu?
[23:01] <tsimonq2> which is my point in questioning the lxqt metapackage being used :P
[23:02] <tsimonq2> (from Debian)
[23:02] <agaida> we have a basic lxqt metapackages lxqt-core and lxqt - and these metapackages play well with task-lxqt-deskop
[23:02] <tsimonq2> so it plays well but you don't actually have Lubuntu metapackages in Debian?
[23:03] <agaida> and you can make own meta-packages, that are based on lxqt - thats what i would do
[23:03] <agaida> no - downstream packages are downstream packages
[23:03] <tsimonq2> aha! thanks agaida :)
[23:04] <agaida> and btw - for siduction i use only the standard packages with some enhancements
[23:05] <agaida> http://git.siduction.org/blob/base!pyfll.git/master/pyfll!packages!packages.d!980-siduction-lxqt - the rest is defined elsewhere
[23:06] <agaida> we have to list recommends explicitly - thats why the list is so long
[23:06] <tsimonq2> agaida: do you guys have a replacement for lightdm?
[23:06] <agaida> we use sddm distributionwide
[23:07] <agaida> it fit our needs
[23:07] <tsimonq2> SDDM?
[23:07]  * tsimonq2 Googles
[23:07] <agaida> and i have no problem to mix pure GTK with a Qt DM
[23:07] <tsimonq2> so what theming do you use?
[23:07] <tsimonq2> (if any)
[23:08] <tsimonq2> does LXQt have an SDDM theme?
[23:08] <agaida> one could read the topic in freenode #lxde
[23:08] <phillw> :P
[23:08] <agaida> siduction has a sddm theme
[23:08] <agaida> its simple, just some qss and be done with
[23:09] <tsimonq2> what's the package name?
[23:09] <agaida> $release-sddm-theme i guess, might be sddm-theme-$release too
[23:10] <tsimonq2> so sddm-theme-lxqt?
[23:10] <tsimonq2> or sddm-theme-stretch?
[23:11] <agaida> no, as in sddm-theme-whiteroom, sddm-theme-paintitblack and sddm-theme-thunderstruck
[23:11] <tsimonq2> I see
[23:11] <tsimonq2> what comes with LXQt?
[23:11] <agaida> boah, linux sucks - i give it up for today with the Miix
[23:11] <agaida> depends on the release
[23:12] <tsimonq2> !info sddm-theme-thunderstruck yakkety
[23:12] <agaida> right
[23:12] <agaida> and will never exist - its a siduction package
[23:12] <tsimonq2> are there sddm theme packages in Ubuntu?
[23:12] <tsimonq2> ohhhhh
[23:12] <tsimonq2> I see
[23:13] <agaida> in ubuntu there should be maui, maldives, simple and breeze - but breeze will throw in half KDE and neigbours pet too
[23:13] <agaida> +h
[23:13] <phillw> tsimonq2: sddm-theme-lubuntu-chooser
[23:14] <tsimonq2> I just looked it up, but thanks anyways phillw :)
[23:17] <phillw> agaida: someone who could be a professional complainer has given the package links that we discussed re: what Jorn had listed as pleasing..... I was stunned to read it!!!
[23:19] <tsimonq2> phillw: hm?
[23:25] <agaida> ha, get my Miix back to normal - aka working :)
[23:26] <agaida> CPU~Quad core Intel Atom Z3745 (-MCP-) clocked at 1331 MHz OS~Microsoft Windows 10 Home Insider Preview (10.0.14332) RTM x86 Up~00:11 Mem~1007/1944 MB HDD~125 GB (23.7% used) Procs~70 Client~Quassel (Qt5) v0.12.3 (git-732615f) winxi~0.7.0