[01:50] <edaq> HAHAHAHAHA lol heLO ?␁DCC SEND "isla" mis dumb
[01:50] <edaq> ops
[01:50] <edaq> wrong paste again
[01:50] <edaq> I have several window open
[04:52] <tux|dude> How long is it until 16.04 gets plasma 5.6?
[05:00] <valorie> tux|dude: we're trying to make it happen right now
[05:00] <tux|dude> Oh awesome!
[05:00] <valorie> frameworks is done, plasma is underway
[05:00] <valorie> then applications
[05:01] <valorie> be aware that it will happen in Yakkety first, then be backported to Xenial
[05:10] <tux|dude> Awesome sauce
[06:26] <user|59207> buenas al tener instalado el SO me da errores de acpi que puedo hacer?
[06:28] <user|59207> porque?
[06:28] <valorie> !en | user|59207
[06:29] <valorie> oops, I mean
[06:29] <valorie> !es
[06:29] <valorie> user|59207: ^^^
[07:14] <luc4> Hello! After upgrading to 16.04 it seems the battery icon is missing. Am I the only one with this problem?
[07:14] <valorie> my battery icon doesn't show if it's full
[07:14] <luc4> valorie: ah ok, yes, probably that
[07:15] <valorie> but it's under the little triangle menu
[07:15] <valorie> and I think you can right-click and say don't hide or so
[07:15] <luc4> valorie: actually it seems it is there, but it is wrong
[07:15] <luc4> valorie: mmh... no, it seems it is a wrong icon maybe here
[07:15] <valorie> mine has a battery icon
[07:16] <luc4> valorie: I see a little white rectangle.
[07:16] <valorie> hmmm
[07:16] <valorie> I also upgraded
[07:16] <valorie> no such problem
[07:17] <valorie> not sure what to advise
[07:18] <valorie> actually, mine is a little white rectangle, but there is a green plug on it
[07:19] <luc4> valorie: http://tinypic.com/r/11aizuu/9
[07:19] <valorie> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=100761
[07:19] <luc4> valorie: like this
[07:20] <valorie> I don't see the image there
[07:20] <valorie> all kinds of text, but no battery image
[07:21] <luc4> valorie: I don't understand.
[07:21] <luc4> valorie: ah you mean you don't see the image in the link?
[07:22] <valorie> yes
[07:22] <luc4> valorie: try to refresh, it is there
[07:22] <valorie> I can see other of their images
[07:22] <valorie> if I press next or previous
[07:22] <valorie> but nothing for your link
[07:22] <luc4> valorie: I just checked, I had to refresh
[07:22] <luc4> valorie: I had to open the link and then refresh
[07:22] <hateball> I saw it, once. Tinypic is pretty damn terrible.
[07:23]  * hateball suggests imgur
[07:23] <valorie> I was about to say, imgur always works
[07:23] <luc4> http://imgur.com/553aW5J
[07:24] <valorie> yes, that's the same that I have
[07:24] <valorie> the little green bit is a plug
[07:25] <luc4> oops, unplugged too many cables :-D
[07:25] <luc4> I see nothing when power is unplugged, just a rectangle it seems
[07:26] <valorie> right, but it will shrink as the battery loses charge
[07:27] <valorie> very minimalistic icon
[07:27] <luc4> valorie: so this is intended?
[07:29] <luc4> valorie: terrible icon :-( it seemed a bug to me. Well ok then, thanks!
[07:32] <valorie> luc4: I think it was intended, and will stick around until someone designs a better one
[07:33] <luc4> valorie: ok, thanks!
[07:33] <valorie> yw
[07:57] <DataGhostS> this must be a known issue somehow, I've had it with my upgrade to 15.04 or 15.10 as well and managed to fix it somehow but I don't remember how and I can't seem to come up with good search terms to find a solution. Basically, I have a dualscreen setup and since upgrading to 16.04 my K-menu opens about 25% of the time and when it does, it usually opens on the other screen (so not above the K button). Same thing happens with the
[07:57] <DataGhostS> 'tooltips' when I hover over other parts on the panel, like open applications or icons in the notification area, they pop up (if they do) on the other screen. Massively annoying, can anyone suggest a fix?
[07:59] <DataGhostS> my primary screen is on the right so the K button is on the left side of the right screen, and when the K menu opens, it opens on the right side of the left screen. Window previews and notification 'tooltips' show on the left side of the left screen
[08:00] <trevize> hello I just installed 16.04 64 bit and have trouble installing steam. anyone could help me troubleshoot it?
[08:05] <valorie> !steam
[08:05] <valorie> trevize: ^^^
[08:11] <trevize> thnx valorie, thats one of the issues, I cannot update my graphics card driver from apt
[08:11] <trevize> I have some unmet dependencies errors when I do
[08:23] <viewer|93121> Hello all. I am experiencing a lot of trouble since the upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04. Most difficult is the fact that neither Muon, nor the new Discover seem to be able to handle repositories (add, remove, and the like). Anyone else having problems with that?
[08:26] <viewer|93121> Also, PeerGuardian is no longer blocking, and network settings are mostly not working. I found some articles about the latter in connection with VPN, but mine is a different problem. I am not allowed to change settings at all, only sometimes it works out of the blue.
[08:28] <viewer|93121> Error message reads: connection.gateway-ping-timeout: cannot set property:value "***" of type 'guint' is invalid or out of range ...
[08:29] <viewer|93121> Anyone ...?
[08:31] <viewer|93121> OK, I don't receive any answers, maybe something is wrong with my browser settings, or it's just that nobody is answering. So, have a good day.
[08:42] <DataGhostS> tried several things, still my kmenu/panel problem isn't fixed, in case anyone found a solution in the meantime
[08:55] <plasma_5_6> hello folks
[08:55] <plasma_5_6> do we know WHEN plasma 5.6 will be available in kubuntu backports?
[08:56] <plasma_5_6> I installed KUBUNTU 16.04 LTS and activated Kubuntu-Backports, but Plasma 5.6 is still not loaded
[09:10] <plasma_5_6> do we know WHEN plasma 5.6 will be available in kubuntu backports?
[09:31] <plasma_5_6> do we know WHEN plasma 5.6 will be available in kubuntu backports?
[09:32] <hateball> !backports
[09:32] <hateball> hmmm, not much info there
[09:35] <soee_> Kubuntu devs are moving from debian git to launchpad atm. and have to fix CI etc. Most of he work is done already but not all, so when this end than Plasma, Frameworks and Apps get packaged for YY and than backported to Xenial. But no eta
[09:37] <plasma_5_6> ahh ok..thanks for this information
[10:08] <profilerHH> good morning from Hamburg!
[10:10] <soee_> hiho
[10:13] <ingopan> moin
[10:16] <soee_> hi ingopan
[10:36] <ingopan> Bin neu im Linux/KDE Land. Werde demnächst sicher mal oefter hier vorbeischauen.
[10:37] <hateball> !de | ingopan
[10:38] <ingopan> thx
[11:32] <Avihay_work> sigh, I can't set xkb options from the keyboard KCM :-<
[11:33] <Avihay_work> ever since the upgrade to 16.04
[11:50] <Avihay_work> AHAA! if I disable 'configure layeouts', it works fine
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:51] <Dey_> hi there
[11:51] <Dey_> :D
[11:51] <Avihay_work> hi
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hi again
[11:57] <Avihay_work> hi
[11:58] <Avihay_work> and when I turn 'configure layeouts' back on, it still preserves my settings, so, success
[12:09] <MoPac> Hello. I'm just making the switch to kde/plasma. I'm having a weird issue where some icons for programs won't show up in task managers and/or system trays, with only a generic placeholder icon, when they aren't running.
[12:11] <MoPac> Actually to clarify -- some icons not showing up in the system tray.  But bigger problem is a number of icons not showing in task manager until the program is running. So the Firefox launcher is just a little rectangle with a dog-ear until I launch it; then it's normal.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> MoPac, try the icons only taskmanager in the widgets..it could be the minimal look that the default breeze theme uses as well
[12:11] <MoPac> BluesKaj: That's actually the one I'm using
[12:11] <BluesKaj> then it could be your theme
[12:13] <BluesKaj> desktop theme in system settings>workspace theme>desktop theme
[12:16] <MoPac> BluesKaj: Well, I've tried changing some of those task icon themes, but it doesn't seem to help. I've mostly been using Breeze Dark, though -- surely it's not missing an icon for Firefox? Or, if it was, it would also show a placeholder when the program is running? (it's normal when running)
[12:18] <BluesKaj> MoPac, can you do screen shot/prntscn and post it on http://imgur.com/
[12:18] <MoPac> BluesKaj: Sure, was thinking about doing that -- one sec
[12:27] <MoPac> BluesKaj: Here's a before and after I launch FIrefox and CrashPlan.  Other Icons under those generic placeholders are Dolphin, Thunderbird, and PGAdminIII ( http://imgur.com/a/2HSgn )
[12:30] <BluesKaj> MoPac, recommend you use quicklaunch widget , but my panel is on the bottom , not used to seeing it on the right
[12:31] <MoPac> BluesKaj: With Quicklaunch, though, I'd just end up with lots of clutter and confusion when switching windows, since the launcher icon and the task icon will both be up at the same time
[12:35] <MoPac> Plus, that wouldn't really solve the problem, which is why these icons aren't being pulled correctly when the apps aren't running (I've even tried deleting the cache). And it shows up the same for both icons-only TM and the normal TM -- e.g., both do this generic icon thing for Firefox
[12:37] <BluesKaj> this is mine http://imgur.com/E0u0KfJ ...ands what do you meqn by "placeholder"?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> mean
[12:40] <MoPac> BluesKaj: By "placeholder" I just meant "default" or "generic" -- e.g., in the theme in those screenshots, it's a white rectangle with a dog-ear fold in the bottom right corner. It's being used as the icon for all the app launchers that it's failing to pull a specific icon for
[12:41] <MoPac> I mean, it wouldn't be a big deal if I could edit the launchers manually and point them to an icon -- are there editable files somewhere for each of these apps' launchers that I could go poke at?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> MoPac, I heven't seen anything like that before. Did you switch over from a 'buntu that used a different DE?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> check icons (settings) in system settings
[12:46] <MoPac> BluesKaj: Yes, I've installed kubuntu-desktop on top of the Unity version and am trying to make sure everything can work properly before deleting the other packages. I know "weird" stuff can happen in such an environment, but I'm skeptical that this could be that -- I mean, icons are in folders or not..
[12:48] <BluesKaj> MoPac, ok sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop plsama-desktop the update and full-upgrade , think you should remove Unity as well
[12:48] <BluesKaj> the=then
[12:49] <BluesKaj> plasma-desktop , scuse the typos
[12:53] <MoPac> BluesKaj: I've already got the whole kubuntu stack installed -- is there a reason why you think that the presence of unity DE packages would be interfering with icon display in the task manager?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> MoPac, I don't know , haven't tried the KDE and Unity DE's together , been a KDE user for 11 yrs , tried Ubuntu a few tiles , but  I missed the KDE's flexibility
[12:56] <BluesKaj> times even
[12:58] <MoPac> BluesKaj: I'm still not sold yet on kde -- though I'm using it for now because I've been getting horrible gpu crashes trying to use LibreOffice in Unity, and they don't happen in plasma, so....
[12:58] <MoPac> But the touchscreen support is pretty terrible in KDE, and I'm still trying to stop the themes from creating awful, unusable color schemes in apps that make text unreadable.
[12:59] <MoPac> Actually, is there a way to exempt individual applications from the themes?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> not that I know of
[13:01] <BluesKaj> touchscreens are a different matter , no exerience with thjem at all, except on my phone
[13:04] <BluesKaj> MoPac, maybe the guys at #kde chat can help, they're quite knowledgeable about configs etc
[13:04] <MoPac> BluesKaj: thanks
[14:38] <just_looking_aro> join kubuntu_backports
[14:40] <viewer|71594> hi all. Is there a channel for kubuntu backports?
[14:42] <marco-parillo> There is not a separate channel for Kubuntu backports. If you have a question about your currently-installed backports, this is the place, If you would like to help develop the next round of backports, #kubuntu-devel is the place.
[15:28] <viewer|53431> hi im new... kubuntu is asking me to password... in live usb... somebody knows it?
[15:31] <soee_> viewer|53431: it doesn't work withoutpass ?
[15:31] <soee_> if no, try typing: kubuntu
[15:32] <viewer|53431> no... doesnt work whitout pass or kubuntu
[15:33] <soee_> BluesKaj: ^ do you remember pass ?
[15:34] <viewer|53431> no.. never set one
[15:34] <soee_> viewer|53431: and: ubuntu
[15:34] <soee_> viewer|53431: also this is Kubuntu 16.04 ?
[15:35] <viewer|53431> kubuntu 14.04
[15:35] <viewer|53431> ubuntu doesnt work too
[15:35] <soee_> viewer|53431: why don't you use 16.04 ?
[15:36] <soee_> it is latest LTS
[15:36] <viewer|53431> ok im gonna try it
[15:36] <soee_> ok, please do and than report back how it was - if it worked fine ;)
[15:39] <BluesKaj> pass , kubuntu ?
[15:40] <viewer|71594> thx marco-parillo . I just wanted to know if there is a plan and schedule on making kde plasma 5.6 available
[15:40] <viewer|53431> downloading 16.04
[15:40] <viewer|53431> see you later!!! thanks
[16:57] <user|> Hello, I have Kubuntu 11.04 recently replace a Windows 7 os, is there a way that I can upgrade to 16.04 without having to download an .ISO and burn it, etc...?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> user|, no, too late you're EOL, clean install from media is your only recourse unless you have separate / and /home partitions
[17:01] <user|> that's what I thought...
[17:01] <user|> thanks
[17:29] <user|73424> salut
[17:29] <user|73424> kubuntu et le wifi
[17:31] <zamazan4ik> pls, English)
[18:04] <viewer|30400> I have Kubuntu 16 on VMware ESXi as a live cd, I don't see an install button. Can anyone give me instructions on how to install it?
[18:06] <marco-parillo> Do you see a small box just south-east of the hamburger?
[18:07] <viewer|30400> I don't see a hamburger
[18:14] <marco-parillo> Three short parallel lines in the upper right/
[18:15] <marco-parillo> Then down a bit and to the right should be a box (a folder view widget). Half-hidden in the box is the installer program.
[18:16] <viewer|30400> I think I see it but its so small I can't click on it. I just rebooted again with more resources and will try again
[18:17] <marco-parillo> You can re-size the folder view widget. Click and hold, and the toolbar should appear to the right.
[18:17] <viewer|30400> Its installing now, much thanks
[18:18] <marco-parillo> My pleasure.
[18:19] <viewer|30400> thanks, again. I am disconnecting
[18:49] <user|69716> Hi, My name is kenny and I am having a hard time with apt get. After some searching, I have found a similar issue, (http://askubuntu.com/questions/633544/e-error-pkgproblemresolverresolve-generated-breaks-this-may-be-caused-by-he), but have been unable to fix it so far.
[18:55] <soee_> user|69716: hiho, can you paste errors you have ?
[18:55] <user|69716> Yeah, http://pastebin.com/RsSfqyJt
[18:57] <zamazan4ik> Did ypu try reinstall mysql-server
[18:57] <zamazan4ik> ?
[18:58] <user|69716> I have tried removing mysql-server, and mysql-community-server.
[18:58] <goddard> i am trying to listen to music and each time Juk changes songs it switch my sound device
[18:58] <goddard> claiming one device is better
[18:59] <user|69716> Afterwards, there are some other libraries that require those, and when I try to remove those, the mysql items are right back in the list.
[18:59] <goddard> how can i disable this?
[19:00] <ricktimmis> goddard: Try Applications > Settings > System Settings > Multimedia
[19:00] <ricktimmis> In there are the Sound, Video preferences and priorities
[19:03] <goddard> ricktimmis: cool i will try that
[19:03] <user|69716> Here is an example of that behavior: http://pastebin.com/kJmYTTgP
[19:12] <keithzg> user|69716: Perhaps try to uninstall them simultaneously? ie. "sudo apt remove mysql-server mysql-community-server"
[19:16] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/d34GEgB5 has the results when I remove them simultaneously then try to 'fix' the remaining dependencies.
[19:16] <alesan> hello
[19:17] <user|69716> I have also attempted removing everything mysql using 'apt-get remove mysql*'
[19:17] <alesan> http://imgur.com/GDAzYE6 <- how can I put an icon of konqueror (the file manager) in that area? I cannot find out how. I used to have one but it disappeared
[19:20] <ricktimmis> alesan: Got the the application in the K menu, then drag and drop it to the panel
[19:21] <ricktimmis> s/Got/Goto
[19:21] <ricktimmis> Remember that Konqueror is no more, it is now called Dolphin
[19:21] <ricktimmis> Well the file manager component
[19:22] <ricktimmis> Kubuntu now uses Firefox as the default browser
[19:22] <ricktimmis> instead of Konquerpr
[19:22] <alesan> I do not like Dolphin. I like to use konqueror in file manager mode. I now start it from a konsole with konqueror .&
[19:22] <alesan> well
[19:22] <ricktimmis> Ah OK, I understand
[19:22] <alesan> I cannot find the konqueror icon in the K menu... where would it be
[19:23] <ricktimmis> So you probably want to use kmenuedit to add an entry to the K Menu for Konquerpr
[19:23] <ricktimmis> Then proceed as above
[19:23] <alesan> wait
[19:23] <alesan> I found an icon but it's "konqueror - web browser"
[19:24] <alesan> indeed I drag and dropped it there and now it opens konqueror in web mode
[19:24] <alesan> let me see if I can tweak
[19:24] <ricktimmis> Try Alt + Space
[19:24] <ricktimmis> then type
[19:24] <ricktimmis> kmenuedit
[19:24] <alesan> alt space?
[19:24] <ricktimmis> Yep that brings up KRunner
[19:25] <ricktimmis> You can do all sorts withit,
[19:25] <ricktimmis> in this case you want to run
[19:25] <ricktimmis> kmenuedit
[19:25] <alesan> mh no, in my case... it inserts a space in the focused application?
[19:25] <alesan> anyway
[19:25] <ricktimmis> What version of Kubuntu are you running ?
[19:26] <alesan> let me check
[19:26] <alesan> mh
[19:26] <alesan> how can I find out... it should be a 15. something
[19:26] <zamazan4ik> upgrade to 16.04
[19:27] <ricktimmis> OK
[19:27] <ricktimmis> That's fine
[19:28] <ricktimmis> anyways.. kmenuedit has to be called from either Kicker or Krunner
[19:28] <ricktimmis> If you click the K menu then type it in it should come up
[19:28] <ricktimmis> It's obvious what it does
[19:28] <alesan> yes OK
[19:28] <ricktimmis> There you can change the options that Konqueror is called with
[19:28] <ricktimmis> hth :-D
[19:31] <user|16133> selam arkadslar
[19:31] <user|16133> yenıyım buralarda ve kubuntu ıle baslamam ıcın tavsıyede bulundular
[19:31] <user|16133> sıteden ındırdım dvd uzerınden boot etmek ıstıyorum ama baslangın olacak komut sayfasında acılıyo
[19:32] <user|16133> açılış komutu nedır _?
[19:33] <keithzg> user|69716: Sorry, I haven't seen what happens if you try and *install* mysql-server and mysql-community-server, what are the errors then? Also, what does "apt-cache policy show" say for each of them?
[19:34]  * keithzg had issues with the mysql upgrade, checking /var/log/mysql/error.log it just turned out to be two parameters in the config file that had changed names and worked just fine after acquescing to the nomenclatural shift
[19:35] <user|69716> I am not sure what  that green text meant.
[19:35]  * keithzg sees no green text (Konversation puts /me statements in blue by default)
[19:36] <user|69716> ahh. Anyways, here is the policy info: http://pastebin.com/xwFGfJjz
[19:37] <keithzg> Here I was assuming you're on 16.04, and just running into the upgrade issues that manifested there, but you're still on 15.10 eh?
[19:37] <user|69716> So it would seem.
[19:37] <keithzg> Is that a surprise to you, or?
[19:38] <user|69716> not really. I have been running into this issue for about a month and have left it as is because I wasn't able to figure it out and didn't need to install anything new.
[19:39] <user|69716> Now that I am trying to install a couple of things, this needs to be resolved before those can proceed.
[19:39] <keithzg> Hrmmm I don't even see mysql-community-server as a package in the Ubuntu repositories
[19:40] <user|69716> I may have added a separate repository. I don't remember which one off the top of my head though.
[19:40] <keithzg> That your policy output doesn't list a repo path for it either seems to indicate that's where the problem lies . . .
[19:40] <keithzg> Yeah you'll want to disable that then.
[19:40] <keithzg> If you look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d there may well be a file that stands out as obviously the source
[19:41] <keithzg> It'll certainly either be in there or just as a line in /etc/apt/sources.list. Either way you should comment it out, run an apt update again, and then see if things proceed smoothly.
[19:45] <user|69716> Here is the list of items in /etc/apt/sources.list.d. http://pastebin.com/xN64KvvA
[19:45] <user|69716> None of them jup out at me.
[19:45] <alesan> thanks! bye
[19:46] <user|69716> here is the sources.list: http://pastebin.com/2wsUPw4j
[19:46] <keithzg> user|69716: I mean in fairness, when I think about it the fact that the apt-cache policy call doesn't give a URL probably means it isn't there . . . hrmm. Just a vestigial package installed.
[19:47] <user|69716> Again, nothing looks fishy to me.
[19:47] <user|69716> I believe mysql might have been installed when I added the program DataGrip from the makers of intellij
[19:48] <keithzg> user|69716: Try perhaps "sudo apt-get install mysql-server=5.6.30-0ubuntu0.15.10.1" and see what happens?
[19:48] <keithzg> You could also just install aptitude and run that instead; it has a fairly intelligent resolver that will give you some options as to how to fix the situation.
[19:49] <user|69716> I tried installing aptitude, but apt-get won't install anything (including that) until after the broken packages are resolved.
[19:49] <keithzg> What does "apt-cache rdepends mysql-community-server" say?
[19:51] <user|69716> here are the requested outputs: http://pastebin.com/SHTwZiev
[19:54] <keithzg> Hmm. Nuclear option time, perhaps? You could run "sudo dpkg --remove mysql-community-server" (if that doesn't work, add a -f). Then do the same with mysql-server. *Then* see what apt-get reports about the state of things.
[19:54] <soee> user|69716: did you tried apt-get -f install ?
[19:54] <keithzg> soee: Yup, he did: http://pastebin.com/RsSfqyJt
[20:00] <user|69716> That did not work, and -f does not appear to be a valid option to force. I did not see anything relevant in the man page for --remove.
[20:00] <user|69716> results : http://pastebin.com/4aURyvMK
[20:00] <keithzg> user|69716: These days it actually might be "--force-depends"
[20:00]  * keithzg hasn't had to forcefully remove a package in a while
[20:01] <user|69716> Ohh. something new. give me a sec...
[20:02] <soee> try to remove mysql-community-server maybe
[20:02] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/yunPUCUh
[20:02] <soee> user|69716: what Kubuntu version are you on ?
[20:02] <keithzg> soee: Yeah he gets complaints when he tries that with a normal apt-get remove; he's on 15.10
[20:03] <keithzg> user|69716: What happens now if you run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[20:05] <user|69716> It seems to have run without issue now. http://pastebin.com/Lr8YYc5b
[20:05] <user|69716> do I want to continue with the operation?
[20:07] <keithzg> Hrmmm I wouldn't say quite yet, it's still removing some things you may well not want removed (like the calendar and contacts applications for KDE).
[20:08] <keithzg> If you run the same dpkg line above but on mysql-server, then run an update, then run 'apt-cache policy show mysql-server', what does it say?
[20:10] <keithzg> (trying to get a valid, from-the-main-repos version of mysql-server installed, basically)
[20:10] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/vFWGa85M
[20:11] <user|69716> Thank you for the explanation. I am feeling a little bit lost.
[20:11] <user|69716> was* feeling
[20:11] <user|69716> or is it s/am/was
[20:12] <keithzg> heh
[20:12] <keithzg> Looks like things might work now, try "apt-get install mysql-server" and see if that runs fine
[20:12] <keithzg> (well, sudo apt-get install, you know the drill)
[20:16] <user|69716> That didn't work, but I suspect that is only because we have not yet resolved the other broken dependencies. Also, I have reached the pastebin limit for anonymous. Let me create an account.
[20:20] <keithzg> user|69716: You can also use paste.kde.org
[20:20] <keithzg> Yeah, we still have to resolve that teamviewer tangle.
[20:20] <keithzg> paste.ubuntu.com will work too
[20:25] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/UWXHa5de
[20:25] <user|69716> that was a pain. Sometimes, I feel that my emails are too secure.
[20:25] <keithzg> Heh
[20:25] <keithzg> Honestly, I'd first just try removing teamviewer.
[20:26] <koliber> HI
[20:27] <koliber> how have amazon ec2 cracked account
[20:27] <user|69716> ok. http://pastebin.com/q1dSrsdhok
[20:28] <user|69716> I believe that worked.
[20:34] <user|69716> so, it did NOT work. http://pastebin.com/86GsbXXc
[20:35] <user|69716> I did the remove on teamviewer, it looked like I worked. I examined the output for doing a fix install, which still wanted to remove some system stuff, then
[20:36] <user|69716> I tried to install mysql-server, and the teamviewer stuff was there again.
[20:36] <keithzg> user|69716: What does "apt-cache rdepends teamviewer" say?
[20:37] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/HLTHkD9y
[20:37] <keithzg> Okay, you can just remove that using the dpkg method then and it should be cleared out of the way.
[20:38] <user|69716> k.
[20:38] <keithzg> Then I'd say you should check what apt-cache policy says about mysql-server-core-5.6
[20:39] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/MFth17hD
[20:39] <keithzg> Hmm, what happens now then if you run "sudo apt-get install mysql-server-core-5.6"?
[20:40] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/3aaXkKsv
[20:41] <keithzg> Oh, huh, what's the policy on mysql-common? Did we perhaps miss one of the outside-the-repos mysql packages?
[20:42] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/Ttk7Exfs
[20:43] <keithzg> Yeah, remove mysql-common (either via apt-get if possible, or if not then via the dpkg --remove method instead) and then try  mysql-server-core-5.6
[20:44] <keithzg> err, I mean "sudo apt-get install mysql-server-core-5.6 mysql-common"
[20:44] <keithzg> (hit enter rather than a quotation mark, oops!)
[20:45] <Iskierka> Anyone around who happens to know much about problems with login on 16.04? Just updated from a 15.10 install that was fairly fresh, now it hangs after the password is entered, never updates or gives an error.
[20:45] <Iskierka> going to TTY and back just gives black screen
[20:46] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/P4698rKG
[20:47] <keithzg> user|69716: Heh, the slow work of purging the system of all the external mysql packages continues, guess the next one up is "mysql-community-client".
[20:49] <user|69716> I kind of reversed the attempt order, but I belive it should still be the same: http://pastebin.com/mg5p9x8d
[20:51] <user|69716> s/reversed/mangled
[20:51] <keithzg> user|69716: Looks like you'll need to remove mysql-client as well (considering it's demanding a version >= 5.7)
[20:52] <user|69716> http://pastebin.com/VPq21kh5
[20:52] <user|69716> Also, I do have the install command right?
[20:53] <user|69716> s/I do/do I
[20:54] <keithzg> Yeah, you've got the install command right. Odd that it isn't working, in fact; try an apt-get update first and try it again?
[20:55] <keithzg> You could also try "sudo apt-get install mysql-server-core-5.6 mysql-common libmysqlclient18" and see if that's more successful.
[20:58] <user|69716> https://paste.kde.org/pohvcp3ew
[20:58] <user|69716> Also, I realize I chose the wrong language.
[20:59] <user|69716> or did I?
[21:08] <syadmin> yeahhhh so 2.3.1 is out.... do we have also an installer or the last available is still 2.3 ?
[21:12] <user|69716> is there another dependency that I need to remove? Is akonadi a default application?
[21:20] <keithzg> user|69716: Akonadi is what underpins the KDE PIM applications (calendar, contacts, etc).
[21:21] <keithzg> If you don't use them, or just want to try the "can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs" approach you could indeed try removing it, at least for the time being. It'll take a *lot* with it, but doing that then reinstalling might solve things.
[21:30] <Iskierka> I feel like I'm getting a lesson that I just shouldn't dist-upgrade at all
[21:33] <keithzg> Iskierka: Have you checked the various logs in /var/log? There's certain to be *something*.
[21:35] <valorie> apt full-upgrade is better than apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:35] <valorie> imo
[21:38] <Iskierka> keithzg, been looking through but they're all full enough that it's very difficult to figure out what's at all relevant
[21:39] <user|69716> aside from the omlette making approach, are there any other options?
[21:39] <keithzg> Iskierka: A good place to start, since it's graphical, might be the sddm and Xorg logs
[21:40] <Iskierka> sddm.log was too full to figure out what was part of it, I've deleted that and am restarting to see what a clean log looks like
[21:40] <keithzg> user|69716: Honestly, the omlette approach might be the best, and the beauty of package managers is that it's all like lego pieces; you're never really breaking anything by disassembling things, it can always be put back together.
[21:41] <user|69716> okay.
[21:41] <keithzg> ah but wait
[21:42] <Iskierka> and sddm apparently didn't create a new log, which is great
[21:42] <user|69716> who was the wait comment directed at?
[21:42] <keithzg> I had misread things (sorry, user|69716! Distracted by work), you could try "sudo apt-get install mysql-server-core-5.6 mysql-common libmysqlclient18 mysql-client-core-5.6"
[21:42] <user|69716> That is no problem.
[21:43] <keithzg> Iskierka: What does "service sddm status" say?
[21:46] <user|69716> what is the recommended approach for sharing screenshots?
[21:47] <keithzg> I always just lazily upload to Google Photos and use the raw URL, heh, but that's just me. I suppose you could just use imgur or such.
[21:48] <keithzg> I think pastebin itself also allows screenshots?
[21:48] <Iskierka> sddm status says: active (running), process (code=exited, status=0/success), log here says: Authenticated successfully, session started, sddm-helper exited, greeter stopped.
[21:49] <Iskierka> don't have a convenient way to copy the text to somewhere visible from tty unfortunately
[21:49] <keithzg> Iskierka: You can pipe it to the command "pastebinit"
[21:49] <keithzg> ie. "service sddm status | pastebinit"
[21:49] <keithzg> But it does sound like it's working fine as far as it knows.
[21:52] <Iskierka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16196226/
[21:53] <keithzg> Yeah Iskierka that all looks like it *should* be fine. Hmm. So you enter the password, press enter, and nothing happens?
[21:53] <Iskierka> It grays out the input boxes as normal for checking the password, then there's never another update
[21:53] <Iskierka> returning from tty is black screen
[21:54] <Iskierka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16196232/ X11 status is not promising, I presume that should be running
[21:55] <keithzg> Iskierka: naw, mine is the same.
[21:55] <keithzg> What does "journalctl -b -u sddm" spit out?
[21:55] <keithzg> (in our newfangled systemd world, we don't always get text logs ;) )
[21:55] <Iskierka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16196253/
[21:56] <Iskierka> dooooesn't look like anything went wrong apart from trying to start the memory pool twice
[21:56] <user|69716> https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipN4yRcw1QmhdDHQa_zoumcf2QwIgV2QPcAmxgj-
[21:56] <keithzg> Yeah, and mine does the same thing Iskierka
[21:57] <keithzg> user|69716: 404. That’s an error.
[21:57] <user|69716> Sorry. Try this: https://goo.gl/photos/wzXgiVDgnddD6aD38
[21:58] <keithzg> user|69716: Oho, this is where the problematic packages are coming from. I'd cancel out and then remove mysql-apt-config.
[21:58] <user|69716> I remember seeing this exact screen when I first set up the mysql stuff. Clearly I did something wrong here.
[21:58] <user|69716> ok.
[21:59] <keithzg> Yeah I think you're using the one from https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/repo/apt/, you should really be sticking to the packages in the main repos unless you're willing to live on the wild side, heh
[21:59] <Iskierka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16196240/ Xorg log offers no errors, a few warnings but none look like they'd stop the show
[22:00] <keithzg> Iskierka: Yeah hmm I dunno. Have you tried an alternate session, openbox for instance?
[22:00] <Iskierka> Last dist-upgrade I tried got screwed up by packages added by other WMs so I'd avoided adding any to try prevent problems, but I could try one
[22:01] <keithzg> Openbox is pretty lightweight and self-contained.
[22:01] <keithzg> I almost always have it installed on systems, precisely so that there's a simple session without compositing and such that I can fall back on to test when things seem to be going wrong.
[22:02] <Iskierka> installed it, will restart and see what it does
[22:02] <keithzg> You could also just try deleting your ~/.Xauthority file, Iskierka. Haven't seen that be a problem in a while but that's one of those classic things that'll make graphical logins fail weirdly.
[22:02] <Iskierka> getting very tempting to just nuke everything except home and do a fresh 16.04 install
[22:03] <keithzg> Not the worst idea; personally though I always try and persevere until I know what the problem actually *was*, in part because I want to avoid it ever happening again but frankly mostly because it bugs my curiosity otherwise!
[22:03] <user|69716> How do I remove the... what is it again, an apt repo?
[22:04] <Iskierka> while that may be sensible since my problems only seem to come up with dist-upgrade I have to wonder why I couldn't just never do that again. Setting 16.04 iso downloading anyway just in case
[22:04] <keithzg> user|69716: What it appears to be, as far as I can tell, is a package that in turn grabs and installs a bunch of other packages. So something like "sudo apt remove mysql-apt-config" (or using dpkg if that doesn't work) should get it out of the way.
[22:05] <user|69716> okay.
[22:05] <user|69716> Then just install the same list as before?
[22:06] <user|69716> y
[22:06] <keithzg> Yup, and hopefully it doesn't pop up again, heh
[22:06] <Iskierka> openbox appears to not start either. Though if it might help point to the current system status, the cursor can still be moved, but has become a back x
[22:06] <Iskierka> *black
[22:06] <user|69716> okay.
[22:06] <keithzg> Iskierka: Openbox is just a blank session; does it pop up a menu if you right-click?
[22:06] <keithzg> Oh, huh, black x is weird though.
[22:07] <Iskierka> Nope, even if I go to tty and back for the black screen
[22:08] <keithzg> Iskierka: What graphics card and drivers do you have?
[22:09] <Iskierka> Was nvidia mobile with intel via optimus, I had it on nvidia drivers (can't remember if noveau or proprietary), but the dist-upgrade did mention at some point having to switch around drivers so I'm not sure which it'd be running
[22:10] <Iskierka> didn't have anything like bumblebee installed to make it extra-weird though
[22:10] <keithzg> Iskierka: Hmm. If you look back through the Xorg logs it'll probably say. This is a bit of a stab in the dark though, honestly.
[22:11] <user|69716> is there some sort of rep mechanic? You have been so helpful and I really appreciate it.
[22:12] <keithzg> Iskierka: Have you tried running an apt update and upgrade from the TTY? This is just another stab in the dark, but I wonder if the upgrade was somehow incomplete.
[22:12] <keithzg> user|69716: No rep mechanic, just hoping to be helpful :)
[22:12] <Iskierka> noveau never gets mentioned and nvidia is listed as driver in a couple places so I presume proprietary. I'll try poke the drivers a bit
[22:12] <Iskierka> I'm about 95% sure update and upgrade have occurred during my poking but I'll try both alongside switching to noveau
[22:13] <user|69716> Okay. Well I think it is working now. I am going to try installing a couple of things, but I am no longer getting broken dependency messages.
[22:13] <keithzg> Iskierka: Yeah, as aforementioned it's just me flailing around at unlikely possibilities, but fingers crossed
[22:14] <Iskierka> if these two don't work, the iso download should be done in an hour
[22:14] <keithzg> user|69716: Excellent! Hopefully 's all solved now.
[22:16] <user|69716> It seems to be. I was successfully able to install aptitude. For some context, is it usually recommended to use a toolk like aptitude for standard package management? or is it best to only use it when things are fucked up?
[22:18] <valorie> I use apt or muon or even the update manager all the time
[22:18] <hydrogen> Is it safe to attempt to install fglrx on 16.04?
[22:18] <hydrogen> Or am I just going to hate myself again
[22:20] <valorie> hydrogen: why do you need it?
[22:20] <user|69716> is there any risk of conflicts when switching between package managers?
[22:21] <hydrogen> valorie: my displayport audio is terribly distorted
[22:21] <valorie> user|69716: they all use dpkg as a backend
[22:21] <hydrogen> hoping that it's fixed in the proprietary driver
[22:21] <valorie> ah
[22:21] <valorie> !fglrx
[22:21] <valorie> still supported i believe
[22:21] <hydrogen> I know things didn't go so well with 15.10 and fglrx
[22:22] <valorie> I've not had to use it for at least one or two years
[22:23] <user|69716> Thank you. Have a nice day everyone. I really appreciate all of the help.
[22:24]  * valorie heads outside into the sun
[22:30] <Iskierka> well I got it to the point that after hitting enter the cursor does -not- respond and switching to tty and back still gives the sddm screen, so ... progress?
[22:50] <hydrogen> sigh
[22:50] <hydrogen> why does krita have a higher priority to open pdfs than okular
[22:50] <hydrogen> and how do I make the world right again?
[22:51] <keithzg> hydrogen: Right-click on a pdf, go "Properties", then click on "File Type Options" in the window that appears.
[22:51] <keithzg> From there you should be able to tweak the application preference order.
[22:51] <hydrogen> In system settings it shows okular with priority... but I'll check that
[22:52] <hydrogen> oh it's because it's firefox
[22:52] <hydrogen> and not kde
[22:52] <hydrogen> and stupid stupid stupid
[22:52] <hydrogen> now I have to remember how to make firefox not stupid again
[22:53] <hydrogen> At least all of the annoyances from using linux in 2008 have been fixed?
[22:55] <hydrogen> Why do programs insist on reinventing the perfectly round wheel
[23:25] <Iskierka> ... okay, fresh install of 16.04 is expressing the same problem
[23:39] <Iskierka> so yeah, looks like 16.04 just hates me
[23:44] <JMichaelX> seems mame is working terribly for me in 16.04. random pauses everywhere.
[23:56] <RodJLinux> I haven't used IRC much but I have a friend using Kubuntu too who wants to know where he can post requests for program features, a "wish list" I guess
[23:59] <valorie> RodJLinux: he can file bug reports in bugs.kde.org
[23:59] <valorie> our applications come from KDE