| CheeryLee | Yep, cm 12 is android 5 | 04:23 |
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| CheeryLee | But in fact I have 3.0 kernel, not 3.4 | 04:23 |
| CheeryLee | So does it means that I can't porting UT on my device with 3.0 kernel? | 05:20 |
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| AuroraAvenue | https://redd.it/4hjrcr $250 bounty. | 09:47 |
| mcphail | Interesting. The bq 4.5 running Android has a few similar network issues to the bq 4.5 running Ubuntu. I wonder if they are hardware related rather than software? | 10:02 |
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| cc | is there anyone using ubuntu phone?i want to know how many applications can be used on it | 11:25 |
| cc | weechat,qq,msn,irc,alipay | 11:26 |
| davmor2 | cc: you can go to https://uappexplorer.com/ a lot will be webapps of some sort, chatter is irc client though | 11:29 |
| cc | davmor2 thanks | 11:30 |
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| CheeryLee | Is there anyone who can help with porting? | 12:22 |
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| lotuspsychje | CheeryLee: there's a porting guide in topic, and the XDA forums might be usefull for existing projects aswell | 12:45 |
| CheeryLee | No, my porting process ended successfully | 12:46 |
| CheeryLee | But now the system doesn't want to start, because my kernel too old! | 12:46 |
| lotuspsychje | CheeryLee: wich kernel is that | 12:47 |
| CheeryLee | 3.0.101 | 12:47 |
| CheeryLee | And I have no newer version | 12:47 |
| lotuspsychje | not sure whats recommended | 12:50 |
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| CheeryLee | Yesterday I got answer that I should use 3.4. | 12:51 |
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| matv1 | kyleN https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-scopes-project/+bug/1577767 | 13:05 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1577767 in canonical-scopes-project "Scopes need general purpose location picker" [Undecided,New] | 13:05 |
| matv1 | hope that's usefull as a starting point | 13:05 |
| SanderKSmit | is it possible to remove the phone and SMS app on the M10 tablet? | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | SanderKSmit, they will vanish in the next OTA | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | (there is a tracking bug somewhere) | 13:30 |
| SanderKSmit | great! thanx for the reply ogra_ | 13:31 |
| SanderKSmit | how can i contribute to the development by eg submitting testresults and problems/wishes? | 13:32 |
| CheeryLee | Does it turns out that I can't run UT without kernel version 3.4? | 13:35 |
| ogra_ | you need the apparmor patches, else you wont be able to execute any apps | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | and you need a good bunch of config options enabled ... might be that some of them are not available with any kernels smaller than 3.4 | 13:37 |
| CheeryLee | No-no-no, I know this. My kernel panics after initrd | 13:38 |
| CheeryLee | It says FATAL: kernel too old | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | interesting, i wonder where that message comes from | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | l(most likely not from any ubuntu bits) | 13:38 |
| dobey | i am incredibly surprised that an android 5 tree would have a 3.0 kernel | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | SanderKSmit, see the "Bug filing" link in the channel topic ... "whishes2 would just be bugs marked as wishlist | 13:40 |
| CheeryLee | No, not Android. It's just custom build that uses 3.0 kernel, because there is no other version | 13:40 |
| CheeryLee | Samsung officially KitKat build based on 3.0 too | 13:41 |
| dobey | CheeryLee: cm12 is based on android 5, no? | 13:41 |
| dobey | yes, kitkat is too old though | 13:41 |
| CheeryLee | Yep, CM 12 is based on it. | 13:41 |
| dobey | err, wait | 13:41 |
| dobey | now i'm confused | 13:41 |
| CheeryLee | Let me explain | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | "now" | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | ? | 13:42 |
| embrik | is it possible to watch netflix on ubuntu phone? | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | embrik, i doubt that ... since it needs DRM support from the browser ... | 13:42 |
| dobey | well, or an app from netflix | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | which would be a browser/webview with adeed DRM support :) | 13:43 |
| dobey | well, a custom build of chrome probably | 13:43 |
| embrik | ogra_: and dobey : ok, thanks, better watch films on ipad then :-( | 13:43 |
| ogra_ | you could perhaps steam binary bits from chromeos :) | 13:44 |
| embrik | dobey: but chrome isn't avaliable is it? | 13:44 |
| CheeryLee | dobey, Samsung released 3.0 version on smdk 4412 as last version. No updates from 2012. This kernel is used by CyanogenMod images from 4.4 to 6.0. | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | and glue something together yourself with duct tape | 13:44 |
| dobey | embrik: there isn't a general chrome build of arm, no | 13:44 |
| CheeryLee | CM works fine with it | 13:45 |
| ogra_ | dobey, well, there is an arm OS built around it :) | 13:45 |
| dobey | ogra_: yes, but you can't go to download an armhf.deb of chrome | 13:46 |
| CheeryLee | I recently looked at Ubuntu Touch tarball and noticed that some programs requires 3.2 kernel. | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | no, but you can for example install an ubuntu on a chromebook and mangle the pepper plugin into your ubuntu chromium to have full flash support | 13:46 |
| * ogra_ did that before ... | 13:47 | |
| dobey | ogra_: yes, but that doesn't help anyone use chrome on an ubuntu phone ;) | 13:47 |
| dobey | and iirc, netflix isn't using flash | 13:47 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 13:47 |
| ogra_ | that was just an example | 13:47 |
| CheeryLee | My situation is very surprising. :D | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | i assume there are hacks you could use to make it work ... by stealing chromeOS nbinary blobs | 13:48 |
| dobey | ogra_: sure. but chrome is on android too and that's arm :) | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | thats android :P | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | bionic world ... | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | doesnt help much on actual linux userspace | 13:49 |
| dobey | ogra_: maybe. but not sure if oxide does enough to use them | 13:49 |
| ogra_ | most likely not ... | 13:49 |
| ogra_ | but hey, the oxide source is out there :) | 13:49 |
| dobey | ogra_: and "buy a chromebook then try to find the pieces to copy off and then hope they would work" is not a good answer to "can i watch netflix on ubuntu phone" :) | 13:49 |
| ogra_ | just saying ... it is surely not impossible ... but a LOT** of work | 13:50 |
| CheeryLee | Guys, maybe I need update kernel source tree or the game not worth the candles? | 13:51 |
| dobey | well, and advising people to buy another $200+ device and steal proprietary binaries off it, is not nice, regardless of possibility :) | 13:52 |
| dobey | CheeryLee: right, it sounds like your kernel is too old :) | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | yeah, try getting 3.4 or newer | 13:52 |
| dobey | not sure what requires at least 3.2 exactly | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | udev perhaps ... or upstart | 13:53 |
| dobey | but cm12 should be 3.10 anyway | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 13:53 |
| CheeryLee | No, upstart requires at least 2.6 | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | there might be options it uses from newer kernels | 13:54 |
| CheeryLee | Mount, for example | 13:54 |
| CheeryLee | It want 3.2 | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | mount ?? | 13:54 |
| CheeryLee | Wants* | 13:54 |
| CheeryLee | Yep | 13:54 |
| dobey | seccomp requires newer kernel for sure | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | mount shouldnt care about the kernel version ... | 13:54 |
| CheeryLee | Justed watched | 13:55 |
| CheeryLee | Just* | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | (perhaps some options in fstab ... but definitely not mount itself) | 13:55 |
| CheeryLee | for GNU/Linux 3.2.0 | 13:55 |
| CheeryLee | STOP | 13:55 |
| CheeryLee | All programs that requires 3.2 kernel are available from boot.img! | 13:56 |
| CheeryLee | What a hell? | 13:56 |
| lotuspsychje | CheeryLee: calm down please | 13:56 |
| CheeryLee | Sorry | 13:57 |
| lotuspsychje | CheeryLee: they trying to help you here | 13:57 |
| CheeryLee | Why I can't replace tarball programms with progtamms from boot initramfs? | 13:58 |
| dobey | like ogra_ said, i doubt mount itself requires 3.2, but some options might | 13:58 |
| CheeryLee | Interesting that mount from initramfs works fine | 13:58 |
| CheeryLee | What should be after touch script execution? | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | yeah, rather a filesystem than a mount thing | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | after the touch script assembled the rootfs with all its different mount layers the initrd calls run-init from klibc and switches to the rootfs | 14:01 |
| CheeryLee | Where is run-init located? | 14:01 |
| CheeryLee | Already found | 14:03 |
| CheeryLee | Err, run-init is a link to klibc, right? | 14:04 |
| ogra_ | it is a binary | 14:08 |
| CheeryLee | Oh, really, I misunderstood | 14:09 |
| CheeryLee | In init script after exec run-init write panic "Could not execute run-init." Is it normal? | 14:10 |
| ogra_ | well, that means that run-init couldnt be executed for some reason | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | (most oftenn because you have a broken /dev/console in your kernel ... ) | 14:13 |
| CheeryLee | No, you don't understand me. It writes in init script | 14:14 |
| CheeryLee | The last string | 14:14 |
| CheeryLee | By the way i have no /dev/console in my kernel | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | fix that then, thats most likely the reason for your panic | 14:20 |
| CheeryLee | Err, previous build form another person has no it too | 14:20 |
| CheeryLee | And it works | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | i doubt that | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | run.init will not work if there isnt a proper console device | 14:21 |
| CheeryLee | Just rewatched | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | it has to have some kind of console .. | 14:25 |
| CheeryLee | It's build has no /dev/console | 14:25 |
| cc | anyone use ubuntu phone now? | 14:26 |
| CheeryLee | Ohh, I think I will never be able to build UT successfully. :(( | 14:27 |
| ogra_ | CheeryLee, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ContainerArchitecture see the first paragraph .. there are links to hacks i used to get a console on a galaxy S2 | 14:31 |
| sergiusens | oSoMoN I have on xenial the webbrowser-app as my main browser; if I use the webapp-container for anything else it opens as a tab in the main browser window. If I open a container instance first, opening the webbrowser app opens a new tab in the container instance. Is this known | 14:33 |
| sergiusens | I asked a week ago, but I guess it got lost in the pool of text :-) | 14:33 |
| ogra_ | oSoMoN, that sounds like a really bad security bug | 14:34 |
| oSoMoN | sergiusens, huh, that’s unexpected indeed, would you mind filing a bug? I’ll look into it right away | 14:36 |
| oSoMoN | and yeah, that sounds like a bad one | 14:36 |
| sergiusens | oSoMoN sure | 14:37 |
| * sergiusens opens the onair video somewhere else | 14:37 | |
| CheeryLee | So, /dev/console located in tarball, not in boot image | 14:40 |
| oSoMoN | sergiusens, how do you invoke the webapp container when it results in opening a new browser tab? | 14:44 |
| sergiusens | oSoMoN like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/slack-webapp/files | 14:44 |
| ogra_ | CheeryLee, i'm not talking about whats in /dev but what your kernel does | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | sergiusens, I can reproduce the issue here, and I think I know what’s going on, bug report welcome anyway, to track the issue | 14:46 |
| sergiusens | oSoMoN great, I will log it without a video then :-) | 14:46 |
| sergiusens | oSoMoN https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1577806 | 14:49 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1577806 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "webbrowser app and webcontainer open under the same instance" [Undecided,New] | 14:49 |
| oSoMoN | thanks | 14:50 |
| sergiusens | mhall119 that is the question I asked that you asked me to explain more ^ | 14:51 |
| CheeryLee | It's very intersting. Saucy has mount that requires 2.6 kernel | 14:51 |
| mhall119 | sergiusens: ? | 14:53 |
| ogra_ | the bug :) | 14:53 |
| sergiusens | mhall119 I asked you about webcontainer and webbrowser app instances a week ago or so ;-) | 14:54 |
| mhall119 | if you say so | 14:55 |
| davmor2 | mhall119: don't act like you've been alseep since then and have no idea what he is on about | 14:56 |
| mpt | My phone has been pretending to start up for the past ten minutes and now I am sad | 15:04 |
| mpt | It shows the “ubuntu” logo and moving dots and never gets beyond that. Any ideas? | 15:05 |
| ogra_ | weas there an update you installed ? | 15:07 |
| ogra_ | (it might be re-creating apparmor profiles ... that can take 10-20min depending on the amount of apps you have installed) | 15:08 |
| CheeryLee | It maybe stupid question, but if I change kernel version in Makefile... does the kernel run? | 15:12 |
| dobey | mpt: either it's just taking a while after applying a full update and regenerating the apparmor profiles and such, or something keeps crashing and won't let it boot | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | dobey, well, then it would force-reboot itself ... | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | not just hang | 15:13 |
| dobey | ogra_: not necessarily | 15:14 |
| dobey | ogra_: the force-reboot stuff is time based; if the crashes happen slowly enough to make the count not fulfill the requirement, the phone won't reboot | 15:15 |
| dobey | ogra_: apparmor constantly being run can cause the crashes to happen more slowly | 15:15 |
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| mpt | ogra_, I didn’t install an update. Does that rule out apparmor profiles? | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | kind of, yeah | 15:25 |
| mpt | ogra_, dobey: The only other clue is that at random intervals (~5 seconds, ~8s, ~27s, ~13s, ~62s…) the screen flashes black momentarily | 15:29 |
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| ogra_ | mpt, looks like Mir cant start then | 15:30 |
| mpt | aha | 15:30 |
| mpt | Same after a force-restart … guess I’ll have to reflash it | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | well, grab john-mcaleely top tell you want logs he needs first :) | 15:36 |
| john-mcaleely | ? | 15:39 |
| ogra_ | john-mcaleely, mpt is left with a non-booting phone ... seems Mir tries to start but fails in a loop | 15:40 |
| john-mcaleely | mir is not me :-) | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | (i thought you might want him to grab some logs before re-flashing ... prehaps) | 15:41 |
| john-mcaleely | mpt, logs are only useful if you have only ever OTA updated, and never installed silos or other previews | 15:41 |
| mpt | john-mcaleely, I have never 0:-) | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | sucha cute little halo :) | 15:42 |
| john-mcaleely | mpt, ok, logs & a bug would be very useful | 15:42 |
| mpt | john-mcaleely, happy to. Where may I find instructions understandable by a lowly designer? | 15:43 |
| mpt | (e.g. which files) | 15:43 |
| john-mcaleely | mpt, here's the gory details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Bugs | 15:43 |
| john-mcaleely | contents of /var/crash attached here with notes on how it happened: | 15:44 |
| john-mcaleely | https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug | 15:44 |
| john-mcaleely | thanks mpt | 15:44 |
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| mpt | john-mcaleely, is it possible for “phablet-shell” to run when Mir hasn’t started? | 15:55 |
| mpt | It says “* daemon started successfully *” but never gives me a prompt | 15:56 |
| * mpt smells a catch-22 | 15:56 | |
| john-mcaleely | mpt, I don't think they are tied. try adb shell instread, but if it errors, lets stop going down the rabbit hole | 15:57 |
| john-mcaleely | mpt, oh | 15:57 |
| john-mcaleely | just retry | 15:57 |
| mpt | * daemon started successfully * | 15:57 |
| mpt | error: device not found | 15:57 |
| john-mcaleely | phablet-shell takes a few goes sometimes | 15:57 |
| mpt | ok | 15:57 |
| john-mcaleely | (it starts something, that takes time before it responds) | 15:57 |
| mpt | Unable to open MTP device '[usb:001,003]' | 15:58 |
| john-mcaleely | hmm. very borked | 15:58 |
| john-mcaleely | two options: hand device to ondra, and see if he has time to debug (maybe source a replacement) | 15:59 |
| john-mcaleely | or, walk away, and reflash to restore | 16:00 |
| john-mcaleely | mpt, ^ | 16:00 |
| dobey | probably better to reboot to recovery and then grab logs from there over adb | 16:00 |
| john-mcaleely | dobey, yeah, but you need to flash a new recovery to get adb | 16:00 |
| john-mcaleely | so, quite complex | 16:00 |
| dobey | yes | 16:00 |
| davmor2 | john-mcaleely, mpt: adb won't work you would need to drop into fastboot mode and flash recovery with adb | 16:01 |
| john-mcaleely | yup | 16:01 |
| dobey | but a continually crashing unity8 kills i/o, so it's basically impossible to shell into | 16:01 |
| jdstrand | ogra_: you keep saying 10-20 minutes. It isn't that long any more :) It should be <5 with a lot of apps installed (see previous email thread and bug report) | 16:01 |
| dobey | especially if developer mode wasn't enabled and the phone isn't required to allow adb without screen unlock | 16:01 |
| davmor2 | john-mcaleely: because of the new way that ubuntu is enabling adb you need to be on the system first to enable adb to be able to access the system :( | 16:02 |
| dobey | plus, if it's a device where the key hasn't been accepted, you won't get the notification to accept the key :) | 16:02 |
| mpt | john-mcaleely, I took the first option :-) | 16:03 |
| john-mcaleely | mpt, very good! | 16:03 |
| john-mcaleely | thank you | 16:03 |
| ondra | john-mcaleely it was not issue with mir, mir was running fine | 16:14 |
| ondra | john-mcaleely there was pending OTA, which sorted boot issue | 16:15 |
| john-mcaleely | ondra, so the UI was a bit odd then | 16:15 |
| ondra | john-mcaleely it was stack in Ubuntu boot anim | 16:16 |
| john-mcaleely | odd | 16:17 |
| ondra | john-mcaleely yep | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | I wonder why it blnked then | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | jdstrand, indeed, my bad... that timing is stuck in my head | 16:52 |
| rvr | ogra_: I'm trying to get ubuntu touch to recognize an arduino. First thing I see is that lsusb doesn't show anything when I connect the device. And probably, ftdi kernel module is not avaible. Suggestions? | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | Not really.... apart fem... Build that module and file a bug | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | *from | 16:59 |
| dobey | rvr: usb-serial adapter drivers are indeed not built in the kernel | 17:01 |
| rvr | dobey: :( | 17:01 |
| dobey | rvr: indeed. i have need for ftdi and keyspan; but alas, no drivers | 17:01 |
| ogra_ | at least for the M10 we should enable a good bunch of additional modules | 17:01 |
| dobey | why only for the m10? | 17:02 |
| dobey | can we build modules that aren't in the boot.img somehow? | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | Because it is more a 1x1 laptop replacement than the phones | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | Why not | 17:03 |
| ogra_ | the source is there, you should always be able to insmod them | 17:03 |
| dobey | i don't know. i'm not an android-in-a-container expert | 17:03 |
| dobey | that's why i'm asking :) | 17:03 |
| ogra_ | has nothing to do with containers | 17:03 |
| ogra_ | Ubuntu runs natively on the kernel | 17:04 |
| dobey | and afaik, the boot.img has to be limited to a size | 17:04 |
| dobey | ogra_: right, but the kernel isn't built in the archive | 17:04 |
| dobey | ogra_: because yay proprietary kernel stuffs | 17:04 |
| ogra_ | if you have a .ko you should be able to just insmod... If the symbols match | 17:04 |
| greyback | enabling loadable module support would at least allow it | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | And a ko can just be built from the kernel source | 17:05 |
| dobey | so we'd need to build the modules, stick them in i guess the device tarball, and then unpack those into the root fs? | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | greyback, it should be enabld | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | iirc ufw requires even that we have modules | 17:05 |
| greyback | ogra_: I've not checked M10. All our phone kernels have it disabled | 17:06 |
| ogra_ | what ?!?!?! | 17:06 |
| ogra_ | thats a serious bug then | 17:06 |
| jdstrand | /usr/share/ufw/check-requirements tells you what is missing for it to work | 17:06 |
| ogra_ | dobey, nah, you can just insmod from ./ | 17:07 |
| greyback | I hit that when trying to enable kernel & gpu profiling tooling | 17:07 |
| jdstrand | and it is a serious bug if we don't have netfilter configured for the kernel | 17:07 |
| dobey | ogra_: i presume we want udev modprobe magic to work though, no? | 17:07 |
| ogra_ | jdstrand, we might... but seemingly not as modules | 17:07 |
| jdstrand | oh, some phone kernels have module loading disabled | 17:07 |
| jdstrand | but so long as netfilter is configured, that is ok | 17:07 |
| ogra_ | jdstrand, seems all of them... Which is really bad | 17:07 |
| greyback | ogra_: I might be wrong about _all_ | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | I wonder who decided that | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | it took us weeks to get the infrastructure for modules right in the device tarball | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | odd that this isn't used | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | but yeah, I don't see the bind mount in /lib/modules that should be there | 17:09 |
| dobey | anyway, break time; might as well use it for a break :) | 17:10 |
| ogra_ | so there is no way to make attached usb devices work ever | 17:10 |
| ogra_ | :(((( | 17:10 |
| dobey | ogra_: my mp3 player works fine over otg :) | 17:10 |
| ogra_ | Because it dosnt use a module | 17:10 |
| dobey | some devices work, most don't | 17:11 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 17:11 |
| ogra_ | really bad | 17:11 |
| rvr | The usb keyboard works | 17:11 |
| dobey | yeah it's not nice | 17:11 |
| davmor2 | dobey: because it uses mtp I guess | 17:11 |
| ogra_ | especially since it was designed differently | 17:11 |
| dobey | davmor2: no. it's just a disk | 17:11 |
| dobey | anyway, lunch break :) | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | so just usb-storage | 17:12 |
| dobey | yeah | 17:12 |
| greyback | I doubt there's much real consistency between the kernel configs of the devices we ship tbh | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | well, but there is infrastructure to support modules... We should really use it | 17:12 |
| greyback | +1 | 17:13 |
| ogra_ | we desigbed it mwith the guy who wants to load home built extra modules in mind back then | 17:13 |
| ogra_ | like android lets you load modules at the bare minimum via insmod with a path | 17:14 |
| rvr | ogra_: Would be possible to ship modules on a click app? | 17:15 |
| rvr | I guess it would, but won't have the permissions to make the kernel load it | 17:16 |
| ogra_ | Yeah | 17:18 |
| ogra_ | you could ship it but not load | 17:18 |
| kurros_ | does the browser use a different useragent on the m10/tablet vs the phones? | 17:40 |
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| kurros | can't get plex to play video on the m10. it detects the session as Safari so I'm thinking its using some safari-ism that oxide doesn't like | 17:42 |
| kurros | but there is a webapp in the store so it ostensibly works on other devices | 17:43 |
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| PaulfraOSAA | kurros: The browser used in click is qt webkit, since webkit is also used in safari it is assumed that it must be a safari browser | 18:05 |
| dobey | PaulfraOSAA: it is not qt webkit | 18:06 |
| dobey | it's oxide, which is based on chromium content api | 18:06 |
| PaulfraOSAA | ok, I stand corrected | 18:07 |
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| pmcgowan | we specify the UA string and it is different on tablet kurros | 18:10 |
| kurros | is the list of quirk UAs in an editable file? | 18:11 |
| pmcgowan | kurros, let me look its in a js file somewhere | 18:17 |
| dobey | kurros: you can override it in a webapp | 18:19 |
| dobey | kurros: so if there is a webapp in the store, it might be doing that | 18:19 |
| kurros | yeah the app doesn't work either. good to know, though. i'll ping the guy and see if he can add a tablet UA override. | 18:20 |
| kurros | he's got a bunch of unfair 1 star reviews now | 18:20 |
| pmcgowan | yeah thats the best way | 18:22 |
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| ahoneybun | mhall119 what is band aids for ubuntu on touch devices? | 19:31 |
| dobey | ahoneybun: similar to papercuts | 19:39 |
| dobey | ahoneybun: join the session :) | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | the Ubuntu GNOME one is going on AT< | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | ATM | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | waiting for it dobey | 19:39 |
| dobey | oh | 19:40 |
| ahoneybun | would love for somemore work on tablet side :) | 19:41 |
| * ahoneybun has N7 | 19:41 | |
| dobey | ahoneybun: is for general software issues, not device-spcific things though :) | 19:50 |
| ahoneybun | yea but helpful for us all | 19:50 |
| === _charlie_sanders is now known as charlie_sanders | ||
| founderio | Anyone know if Canonical is aware of the disaster going on with the sale of Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu Edition? | 20:23 |
| founderio | The announcement in the last ubuntu insights does not look like it.. | 20:23 |
| JanC | founderio: what do you mean? | 20:30 |
| kurros | about JD only selling the gold version, maybe | 20:31 |
| founderio | Availability only in Gold... yep | 20:31 |
| founderio | and their.. very.. high quality support.. | 20:32 |
| founderio | I mean.. the announcements are so positive and all -> then the disappointment when I look at the Q&A section | 20:33 |
| founderio | Also.. why gold.. Is that an official decision, or just JD doing weird stuff? (I'd say selling the black version probably reaches more customers...) | 20:35 |
| kurros | probably just JD. dunno why they are the only non-china distributor this time around | 20:37 |
| kurros | meizu probably doesn't care | 20:37 |
| founderio | as far as i understood it, the meizu pro 5 ubuntu is *exclusively* available from JD | 20:37 |
| founderio | and no, they don't care.. | 20:37 |
| kurros | outside of china, yes | 20:37 |
| founderio | I already tried ubuntusales@meizu.com | 20:37 |
| founderio | no reply from them... | 20:38 |
| founderio | almost a week and not even a "we received your message" | 20:38 |
| kurros | they did a weird arrangement with the MX4 for europe, i guess it wasn't worth continuing that | 20:38 |
| kurros | i think the MX4 was the first time they sold anything outside of china | 20:39 |
| founderio | well all the "regular" current models are, as far as I can tell, available on amazon (.de) | 20:39 |
| founderio | Not all available yet, but still.. | 20:39 |
| founderio | As stated above.. Does Canonical know? (or even care?) This hits the image of ubuntu quite a bit if I were to guess.. | 20:40 |
| kurros | i think its out of their hands, unfortunately | 20:43 |
| founderio | I'll try to reach out to them.. If you want to follow a long / spread the word [or just laugh at the outcome ;)] feel free: https://twitter.com/founderio_dhx/status/727596128066260992 | 20:44 |
| founderio | might be, but they still may care.. or try to prevent that in the future | 20:44 |
| kurros | maybe time for a flight to shanghai? :) | 20:44 |
| founderio | uhm.. sure.. you free on the weekend? ;) | 20:45 |
| kurros | hopefully other OEM/ODMs will take note | 20:46 |
| ogra_ | The gold is a choice from meizu.... Canonical has no influence on that | 20:46 |
| kurros | i'd be happy for any official ubuntu phone that worked in the US at this point | 20:46 |
| k1l | "invest in gold" they said :) | 20:47 |
| ogra_ | :) | 20:47 |
| founderio | doesn't it? "officially" it is "world wide" with "free shipping" aaaand advertised in black.. | 20:47 |
| founderio | heh, yah.. | 20:47 |
| kurros | yeah i think the problem is that canonical's blog posts and such have shown the black model | 20:47 |
| founderio | still, I need a new phone.. and since I am on this channel you probably know which system I'd like on that piece of tech.. | 20:48 |
| founderio | and yes, would it be an agreed choice made between Meizu AND Canonical, my sentiments would be better I guess... | 20:48 |
| ogra_ | Buy a gold one and get it painted ;) | 20:49 |
| dobey | black spray paint: $3.99 | 20:49 |
| kurros | hehe | 20:49 |
| founderio | you forget... new display without paint: $299 ;) | 20:49 |
| kurros | BeDazzle it | 20:49 |
| * ogra_ is sure there must be professional offers to get a good paint job for a phone | 20:50 | |
| dobey | newspapers and paint are cheap. it's called masking :) | 20:50 |
| founderio | to be honest, the color is probably the least problem.. I just fear that this whole affair -> and the obviously "top notch" customer support "Thank you for your support for JD!" -> will cast a bad light on something that is already very dim lit (i.e. not known to many people).. And if ubuntu-touch is discontinued due to that bad light... back to Android? iOS? the dark side? | 20:52 |
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| ogra_ | Ubuntu on phones wont be discontinued | 21:00 |
| founderio | a) nobody can guarantee that | 21:01 |
| founderio | but b) I ceartainly hope so | 21:01 |
| dobey | a) it's open source | 21:01 |
| ogra_ | It is just another formbfactor of the xesktop code | 21:01 |
| dobey | b) so it will only be "discontinued" if nobody ever builds any images for phones :) | 21:01 |
| ogra_ | desktop | 21:01 |
| founderio | true.. | 21:02 |
| founderio | agh.. frustrating | 21:02 |
| ogra_ | there will definitely be images for a long time still ... | 21:04 |
| ogra_ | it isnt the userbase that counts ... else we would have stopped doing desktop long ago :) | 21:05 |
| founderio | since we are already on this topic.. I've had a bit of a look around.. the info I found seems to indicate that installing ubuntu on - let's just say a nexus - is more like a dev-preview? or is that actually a full-fledged usable version now? (I don't care about fancy stuff.. Phone, wifi, contacts wokr as far as I have seen.. But what are the exact drawbacks?) | 21:06 |
| * founderio is considering just buying a compatible device with good specs | 21:06 | |
| dobey | drawbacks? | 21:06 |
| ogra_ | fully usable ... all devices use the exactly same rootfs | 21:06 |
| dobey | i've been using ubuntu on a nexus 5 as my phone for over 2 years | 21:07 |
| founderio | the page I read told something about "oem specific features" | 21:07 |
| ogra_ | well, ports usually have limitations in HW support | 21:07 |
| founderio | yeah, but since I want to buy a new phone anyways -> I'll just pick one with the best mix of support & features ;) | 21:07 |
| ogra_ | the N4 as a fully supported device doesnt ... the N5 has its (small) share of issues | 21:07 |
| * ogra_ would take a MX5pro then | 21:08 | |
| ogra_ | you wont find any petter HW ... with better support | 21:08 |
| ogra_ | *better | 21:08 |
| dobey | would be nice to have a retail device that was snapdragon though | 21:09 |
| ogra_ | the MX5 is | 21:09 |
| founderio | wait.. MX5 Pro or Pro 5? (there is both??) | 21:09 |
| ogra_ | THE ONE YOU CAN BUY WITH UBUNTU :p | 21:10 |
| ogra_ | EEK | 21:10 |
| dobey | ogra_: eh? | 21:10 |
| ralbo | anybody knows a way to have flash install in ubuntu touch? | 21:10 |
| troyready | Man, the N4 was something really great. The lack of LTE got me to move away from it, but in many ways I miss it | 21:10 |
| * ogra_ whacks his caps key | 21:10 | |
| dobey | ralbo: adobe flash? no | 21:10 |
| ogra_ | dobey: eh ? ? | 21:10 |
| ralbo | bummer ;( | 21:10 |
| * founderio is confused | 21:10 | |
| ralbo | any other options? | 21:11 |
| dobey | don't use flash? | 21:11 |
| dobey | ogra_: the mx5 is what? | 21:11 |
| founderio | ralbo: configure your browser to pretend to be an iPad -> *ding* -> HTML5 Videos | 21:11 |
| ralbo | Im trying to use spotify web, I cannt becuse of flash, what can I use instead? | 21:12 |
| ogra_ | dobey: oh, sorry, it is exynos ... i thought it was snapdragon | 21:12 |
| dobey | ogra_: that's samsung right? | 21:12 |
| ogra_ | yep | 21:12 |
| ogra_ | same as the S7 i think | 21:12 |
| ralbo | founderio: thanks!! | 21:12 |
| founderio | ralbo: just an idea.. might not work! | 21:13 |
| ogra_ | usually does :) | 21:13 |
| founderio | it does work with various news sites | 21:13 |
| dobey | isn't there a spotify webapp in the store? | 21:13 |
| ogra_ | many webapps use that trick too :) | 21:13 |
| founderio | hhehe | 21:13 |
| ralbo | yeah but you need to have the upgrade version | 21:13 |
| dobey | or there was some other qml app that did spotify i think | 21:13 |
| mariogrip | dobey: should i release the battery fix, or release the 5.1 in about a week (much better battery then 4.4) | 21:13 |
| ogra_ | but it indeed depends on teh site ... and how hardcore safari teh features are they use | 21:14 |
| dobey | mariogrip: yes to both? ;) | 21:14 |
| ogra_ | lol | 21:14 |
| ogra_ | yeah, stop slacking ... do both :P | 21:14 |
| dobey | lol, i wonder what happened to my phone | 21:14 |
| dobey | obviously hasn't been an update in a few days, but for some reason my battery isn't almost dead today | 21:15 |
| dobey | still at ~77% after 8 hrs off the charger | 21:15 |
| ogra_ | buy a new one, this is broken | 21:15 |
| mariogrip | dobey: I removed some part in android that had a wakelock + took battery | 21:16 |
| dobey | mariogrip: i guess you got 5.1 booted on a n5? | 21:16 |
| mariogrip | that was about a week ago | 21:16 |
| dobey | mariogrip: well, my phone has still been pretty bad with battery, so either that wasn't in an update or you're asking about releasing a different battery fix :) | 21:16 |
| mariogrip | dobey: yeah 5.1 it's running fine, but I have to test it more before release it on the server, I don't want to break devices or break some parts that they had before 5.1 | 21:17 |
| mariogrip | dobey: no, the new battery fix is a new "updated" kernel | 21:18 |
| dobey | mariogrip: does 5.1 provide some better clues to bluetooth btw? | 21:18 |
| mariogrip | yes :) | 21:18 |
| dobey | yay! | 21:18 |
| dobey | mariogrip: yeah, if you have an updated kernel that fixes battery for 4.4, pushing it now would be good, and 5.1 in a week or so would be fine | 21:19 |
| * founderio just ordered Meizu PRO5SB32GB | 21:20 | |
| mariogrip | sure, i can do that, but I need to add apparmor patch to the new kernel first | 21:20 |
| founderio | Now how to skip forward to Monday... | 21:20 |
| mariogrip | founderio: yey \o/ | 21:20 |
| dobey | mariogrip: ok. thanks for all the work on it :) | 21:21 |
| mariogrip | founderio: download, libtimetravel and run that with skiptime.snap | 21:21 |
| mariogrip | dobey: np :) | 21:21 |
| dobey | time is an illusion | 21:21 |
| dobey | lunch time doubly so | 21:21 |
| founderio | mariogrip: aww dammit.. | 21:22 |
| founderio | I'm still on 15.10 :( | 21:22 |
| ogra_ | founderio: welcome to the club :) | 21:23 |
| founderio | tx | 21:23 |
| mariogrip | :P ogra_ has magic power, so he can probably teleport the device to you :) hehe :P | 21:24 |
| ogra_ | (of meizu owners, not of 15.10 users) | 21:24 |
| founderio | guessed as much ;) | 21:24 |
| ogra_ | mariogrip: you wish ... then i would have mine already | 21:24 |
| founderio | about time.. that iOS began bugging me to hell | 21:24 |
| * ogra_ ia also waiting | 21:24 | |
| ogra_ | *is | 21:24 |
| mariogrip | :) | 21:24 |
| ogra_ | and flying to a snappy sprint on sunday ... i really hope i get it before | 21:24 |
| founderio | I even took the 32G version.. 64G was not available yet :D | 21:25 |
| ogra_ | i doubt there will be any other offers then this one | 21:25 |
| founderio | the 64G IS listed on amazon.de | 21:25 |
| mariogrip | oneplus one :) hint hint | 21:25 |
| ogra_ | at least this time around ... probably if meizu does some kind of re-fresh | 21:25 |
| founderio | just "not available yet" | 21:25 |
| ogra_ | mariogrip: once you have all HW working ;) | 21:26 |
| founderio | but tbh -> my playlist isn't THAT big, so that should work ;) | 21:26 |
| founderio | more excited about the OS than about the free space | 21:26 |
| ogra_ | SD cards are cheap | 21:26 |
| mariogrip | soon soon ogra_ :) 5.1 brings some fixes, just camera and bt left | 21:26 |
| founderio | also true -> I keep forgetting that.. iOS torture victim here... | 21:26 |
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| mariogrip | I haven't tried iOS, it seems to be too locked down for me | 21:27 |
| * ogra_ goes afk to do some non work evening stuff :) | 21:28 | |
| mariogrip | founderio: spotify is coming to the music app, so you stream you playlist (if it was music that you was talking about) then you can save some space | 21:30 |
| founderio | yes, was talking about music.. but I don't like streaming -> too much hassly in my opinion.. | 21:30 |
| founderio | I just want a music player that plays the music, can sync with ubuntu (rsync, duh.. ;) ) and does not bother me with Apple Music Advertisement EVERY GODDAMN TIME | 21:31 |
| founderio | so the issue is not really that iOS is too locked down, but rather that I am being treated like an idiot.. | 21:32 |
| mariogrip | founderio: yeah, btw there is no advert on spotify (paid version). but how does iOS do that? is it like, "too simple"? | 21:36 |
| founderio | the streaming stuff is just my personal preference, I guess.. but thanks for the info. | 21:37 |
| founderio | iOS does that my assuming that the Apple Solution is the solution for every user | 21:37 |
| founderio | integration for third party apps is not good sometimes (or even impossible for some specific parts) | 21:38 |
| founderio | and the default apps do stuff a bit weird sometimes | 21:38 |
| mariogrip | oh, yeah I have heard that you need a mac to recovery it | 21:38 |
| founderio | nah, iTunes is enough | 21:38 |
| founderio | so Mac or Windows | 21:38 |
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| mariogrip | oh, ok then. | 21:39 |
| founderio | for the regular user that may be enough, but for example the intrgration for caldav & carddav sync is a bit wobbly at times in the default apps | 21:39 |
| mariogrip | can you remove the default apps? that is something that is a bit annoying on android sometimes, you need root to remove the "bloatware" | 21:40 |
| founderio | nope | 21:40 |
| founderio | every iOS user has this folder called "Junk" on their home screen | 21:40 |
| founderio | with stuff like health, friends, stock info, etc.. | 21:40 |
| founderio | and -> all installed apps are on the home screen, period. (several pages & folders though) | 21:41 |
| mariogrip | oh, there is no app list like android has right? is't just on the home screen | 21:42 |
| founderio | yes | 21:42 |
| founderio | also 1 app == 1 icon | 21:42 |
| founderio | although there seem to be plugins like adblockers since iOS 9, now.. never looked into it | 21:42 |
| mariogrip | what happens if you remove the icon (if it works) | 21:42 |
| popey | you cant | 21:42 |
| popey | there's a dozen or so you cannot remove | 21:42 |
| popey | technically you can't remove the default apps on ubuntu either | 21:43 |
| popey | you can remove the icon, but the partition is RO so the app stays | 21:43 |
| popey | just hidden | 21:43 |
| founderio | better than iOS in at least 1 point then ;) | 21:43 |
| founderio | I can live with hidden | 21:43 |
| mariogrip | you "can" removed them if you make the system rw, but as i understand you cannot set iOS in rw mode | 21:44 |
| founderio | and if I miss integration / cooperation between apps there is a good chance I could go ahead and implement it myself I guess... | 21:44 |
| founderio | well you can set it to rw... | 21:44 |
| founderio | that is called jailbreaking | 21:44 |
| founderio | and very much agains what the fruit company thinks "legal" | 21:45 |
| mariogrip | yeah like root on android, but on ubuntu it's just one command | 21:45 |
| founderio | well.. wouldn't be ubuntu if it weren't | 21:45 |
| founderio | I'll be off for today. 10 minutes to Wednesday here ;) | 21:51 |
| founderio | Good conversation & thanks to all for the help! | 21:51 |
| mariogrip | same timezone as me then :) thanks for your answer about iOS :) | 21:51 |
| founderio | anytime. | 21:51 |
| founderio | I guess I'll poke my head in here sometime.. see you around | 21:52 |
| mariogrip | see ya :) | 21:52 |
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