[04:23] Yep, cm 12 is android 5 [04:23] But in fact I have 3.0 kernel, not 3.4 [05:20] So does it means that I can't porting UT on my device with 3.0 kernel? === galeido_ is now known as galeido === duflu_ is now known as duflu === Trevinho_ is now known as Trevinho === JamesTait is now known as Guest96415 === Guest96415 is now known as JamesTait === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:47] https://redd.it/4hjrcr $250 bounty. [10:02] Interesting. The bq 4.5 running Android has a few similar network issues to the bq 4.5 running Ubuntu. I wonder if they are hardware related rather than software? === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [11:25] is there anyone using ubuntu phone?i want to know how many applications can be used on it [11:26] weechat,qq,msn,irc,alipay [11:29] cc: you can go to https://uappexplorer.com/ a lot will be webapps of some sort, chatter is irc client though [11:30] davmor2 thanks === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:22] Is there anyone who can help with porting? === JanC is now known as Guest52941 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [12:45] CheeryLee: there's a porting guide in topic, and the XDA forums might be usefull for existing projects aswell [12:46] No, my porting process ended successfully [12:46] But now the system doesn't want to start, because my kernel too old! [12:47] CheeryLee: wich kernel is that [12:47] 3.0.101 [12:47] And I have no newer version [12:50] not sure whats recommended === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:51] Yesterday I got answer that I should use 3.4. === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:05] kyleN https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-scopes-project/+bug/1577767 [13:05] Ubuntu bug 1577767 in canonical-scopes-project "Scopes need general purpose location picker" [Undecided,New] [13:05] hope that's usefull as a starting point [13:29] is it possible to remove the phone and SMS app on the M10 tablet? [13:30] SanderKSmit, they will vanish in the next OTA [13:30] (there is a tracking bug somewhere) [13:31] great! thanx for the reply ogra_ [13:32] how can i contribute to the development by eg submitting testresults and problems/wishes? [13:35] Does it turns out that I can't run UT without kernel version 3.4? [13:37] you need the apparmor patches, else you wont be able to execute any apps [13:37] and you need a good bunch of config options enabled ... might be that some of them are not available with any kernels smaller than 3.4 [13:38] No-no-no, I know this. My kernel panics after initrd [13:38] It says FATAL: kernel too old [13:38] interesting, i wonder where that message comes from [13:38] l(most likely not from any ubuntu bits) [13:38] i am incredibly surprised that an android 5 tree would have a 3.0 kernel [13:40] SanderKSmit, see the "Bug filing" link in the channel topic ... "whishes2 would just be bugs marked as wishlist [13:40] No, not Android. It's just custom build that uses 3.0 kernel, because there is no other version [13:41] Samsung officially KitKat build based on 3.0 too [13:41] CheeryLee: cm12 is based on android 5, no? [13:41] yes, kitkat is too old though [13:41] Yep, CM 12 is based on it. [13:41] err, wait [13:41] now i'm confused [13:42] Let me explain [13:42] "now" [13:42] ? [13:42] is it possible to watch netflix on ubuntu phone? [13:42] embrik, i doubt that ... since it needs DRM support from the browser ... [13:42] well, or an app from netflix [13:43] which would be a browser/webview with adeed DRM support :) [13:43] well, a custom build of chrome probably [13:43] ogra_: and dobey : ok, thanks, better watch films on ipad then :-( [13:44] you could perhaps steam binary bits from chromeos :) [13:44] dobey: but chrome isn't avaliable is it? [13:44] dobey, Samsung released 3.0 version on smdk 4412 as last version. No updates from 2012. This kernel is used by CyanogenMod images from 4.4 to 6.0. [13:44] and glue something together yourself with duct tape [13:44] embrik: there isn't a general chrome build of arm, no [13:45] CM works fine with it [13:45] dobey, well, there is an arm OS built around it :) [13:46] ogra_: yes, but you can't go to download an armhf.deb of chrome [13:46] I recently looked at Ubuntu Touch tarball and noticed that some programs requires 3.2 kernel. [13:46] no, but you can for example install an ubuntu on a chromebook and mangle the pepper plugin into your ubuntu chromium to have full flash support [13:47] * ogra_ did that before ... [13:47] ogra_: yes, but that doesn't help anyone use chrome on an ubuntu phone ;) [13:47] and iirc, netflix isn't using flash [13:47] indeed [13:47] that was just an example [13:48] My situation is very surprising. :D [13:48] i assume there are hacks you could use to make it work ... by stealing chromeOS nbinary blobs [13:48] ogra_: sure. but chrome is on android too and that's arm :) [13:48] thats android :P [13:48] bionic world ... [13:49] doesnt help much on actual linux userspace [13:49] ogra_: maybe. but not sure if oxide does enough to use them [13:49] most likely not ... [13:49] but hey, the oxide source is out there :) [13:49] ogra_: and "buy a chromebook then try to find the pieces to copy off and then hope they would work" is not a good answer to "can i watch netflix on ubuntu phone" :) [13:50] just saying ... it is surely not impossible ... but a LOT** of work [13:51] Guys, maybe I need update kernel source tree or the game not worth the candles? [13:52] well, and advising people to buy another $200+ device and steal proprietary binaries off it, is not nice, regardless of possibility :) [13:52] CheeryLee: right, it sounds like your kernel is too old :) [13:52] yeah, try getting 3.4 or newer [13:52] not sure what requires at least 3.2 exactly [13:53] udev perhaps ... or upstart [13:53] but cm12 should be 3.10 anyway [13:53] yeah [13:53] No, upstart requires at least 2.6 [13:54] there might be options it uses from newer kernels [13:54] Mount, for example [13:54] It want 3.2 [13:54] mount ?? [13:54] Wants* [13:54] Yep [13:54] seccomp requires newer kernel for sure [13:54] mount shouldnt care about the kernel version ... [13:55] Justed watched [13:55] Just* [13:55] (perhaps some options in fstab ... but definitely not mount itself) [13:55] for GNU/Linux 3.2.0 [13:55] STOP [13:56] All programs that requires 3.2 kernel are available from boot.img! [13:56] What a hell? [13:56] CheeryLee: calm down please [13:57] Sorry [13:57] CheeryLee: they trying to help you here [13:58] Why I can't replace tarball programms with progtamms from boot initramfs? [13:58] like ogra_ said, i doubt mount itself requires 3.2, but some options might [13:58] Interesting that mount from initramfs works fine [13:59] What should be after touch script execution? [14:00] yeah, rather a filesystem than a mount thing [14:01] after the touch script assembled the rootfs with all its different mount layers the initrd calls run-init from klibc and switches to the rootfs [14:01] Where is run-init located? [14:03] Already found [14:04] Err, run-init is a link to klibc, right? [14:08] it is a binary [14:09] Oh, really, I misunderstood [14:10] In init script after exec run-init write panic "Could not execute run-init." Is it normal? [14:13] well, that means that run-init couldnt be executed for some reason [14:13] (most oftenn because you have a broken /dev/console in your kernel ... ) [14:14] No, you don't understand me. It writes in init script [14:14] The last string [14:19] By the way i have no /dev/console in my kernel [14:20] fix that then, thats most likely the reason for your panic [14:20] Err, previous build form another person has no it too [14:20] And it works [14:21] i doubt that [14:21] run.init will not work if there isnt a proper console device [14:24] Just rewatched [14:25] it has to have some kind of console .. [14:25] It's build has no /dev/console [14:26] anyone use ubuntu phone now? [14:27] Ohh, I think I will never be able to build UT successfully. :(( [14:31] CheeryLee, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ContainerArchitecture see the first paragraph .. there are links to hacks i used to get a console on a galaxy S2 [14:33] oSoMoN I have on xenial the webbrowser-app as my main browser; if I use the webapp-container for anything else it opens as a tab in the main browser window. If I open a container instance first, opening the webbrowser app opens a new tab in the container instance. Is this known [14:33] I asked a week ago, but I guess it got lost in the pool of text :-) [14:34] oSoMoN, that sounds like a really bad security bug [14:36] sergiusens, huh, that’s unexpected indeed, would you mind filing a bug? I’ll look into it right away [14:36] and yeah, that sounds like a bad one [14:37] oSoMoN sure [14:37] * sergiusens opens the onair video somewhere else [14:40] So, /dev/console located in tarball, not in boot image [14:44] sergiusens, how do you invoke the webapp container when it results in opening a new browser tab? [14:44] oSoMoN like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/slack-webapp/files [14:45] CheeryLee, i'm not talking about whats in /dev but what your kernel does [14:46] sergiusens, I can reproduce the issue here, and I think I know what’s going on, bug report welcome anyway, to track the issue [14:46] oSoMoN great, I will log it without a video then :-) [14:49] oSoMoN https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1577806 [14:49] Ubuntu bug 1577806 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "webbrowser app and webcontainer open under the same instance" [Undecided,New] [14:50] thanks [14:51] mhall119 that is the question I asked that you asked me to explain more ^ [14:51] It's very intersting. Saucy has mount that requires 2.6 kernel [14:53] sergiusens: ? [14:53] the bug :) [14:54] mhall119 I asked you about webcontainer and webbrowser app instances a week ago or so ;-) [14:55] if you say so [14:56] mhall119: don't act like you've been alseep since then and have no idea what he is on about [15:04] My phone has been pretending to start up for the past ten minutes and now I am sad [15:05] It shows the “ubuntu” logo and moving dots and never gets beyond that. Any ideas? [15:07] weas there an update you installed ? [15:08] (it might be re-creating apparmor profiles ... that can take 10-20min depending on the amount of apps you have installed) [15:12] It maybe stupid question, but if I change kernel version in Makefile... does the kernel run? [15:13] mpt: either it's just taking a while after applying a full update and regenerating the apparmor profiles and such, or something keeps crashing and won't let it boot [15:13] dobey, well, then it would force-reboot itself ... [15:13] not just hang [15:14] ogra_: not necessarily [15:15] ogra_: the force-reboot stuff is time based; if the crashes happen slowly enough to make the count not fulfill the requirement, the phone won't reboot [15:15] ogra_: apparmor constantly being run can cause the crashes to happen more slowly === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [15:24] ogra_, I didn’t install an update. Does that rule out apparmor profiles? [15:25] kind of, yeah [15:29] ogra_, dobey: The only other clue is that at random intervals (~5 seconds, ~8s, ~27s, ~13s, ~62s…) the screen flashes black momentarily === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:30] mpt, looks like Mir cant start then [15:30] aha [15:35] Same after a force-restart … guess I’ll have to reflash it [15:36] well, grab john-mcaleely top tell you want logs he needs first :) [15:39] ? [15:40] john-mcaleely, mpt is left with a non-booting phone ... seems Mir tries to start but fails in a loop [15:40] mir is not me :-) [15:41] (i thought you might want him to grab some logs before re-flashing ... prehaps) [15:41] mpt, logs are only useful if you have only ever OTA updated, and never installed silos or other previews [15:42] john-mcaleely, I have never 0:-) [15:42] sucha cute little halo :) [15:42] mpt, ok, logs & a bug would be very useful [15:43] john-mcaleely, happy to. Where may I find instructions understandable by a lowly designer? [15:43] (e.g. which files) [15:43] mpt, here's the gory details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Bugs [15:44] contents of /var/crash attached here with notes on how it happened: [15:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug [15:44] thanks mpt === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === nuclearbob is now known as nuclearbob_afk [15:55] john-mcaleely, is it possible for “phablet-shell” to run when Mir hasn’t started? [15:56] It says “* daemon started successfully *” but never gives me a prompt [15:56] * mpt smells a catch-22 [15:57] mpt, I don't think they are tied. try adb shell instread, but if it errors, lets stop going down the rabbit hole [15:57] mpt, oh [15:57] just retry [15:57] * daemon started successfully * [15:57] error: device not found [15:57] phablet-shell takes a few goes sometimes [15:57] ok [15:57] (it starts something, that takes time before it responds) [15:58] Unable to open MTP device '[usb:001,003]' [15:58] hmm. very borked [15:59] two options: hand device to ondra, and see if he has time to debug (maybe source a replacement) [16:00] or, walk away, and reflash to restore [16:00] mpt, ^ [16:00] probably better to reboot to recovery and then grab logs from there over adb [16:00] dobey, yeah, but you need to flash a new recovery to get adb [16:00] so, quite complex [16:00] yes [16:01] john-mcaleely, mpt: adb won't work you would need to drop into fastboot mode and flash recovery with adb [16:01] yup [16:01] but a continually crashing unity8 kills i/o, so it's basically impossible to shell into [16:01] ogra_: you keep saying 10-20 minutes. It isn't that long any more :) It should be <5 with a lot of apps installed (see previous email thread and bug report) [16:01] especially if developer mode wasn't enabled and the phone isn't required to allow adb without screen unlock [16:02] john-mcaleely: because of the new way that ubuntu is enabling adb you need to be on the system first to enable adb to be able to access the system :( [16:02] plus, if it's a device where the key hasn't been accepted, you won't get the notification to accept the key :) [16:03] john-mcaleely, I took the first option :-) [16:03] mpt, very good! [16:03] thank you [16:14] john-mcaleely it was not issue with mir, mir was running fine [16:15] john-mcaleely there was pending OTA, which sorted boot issue [16:15] ondra, so the UI was a bit odd then [16:16] john-mcaleely it was stack in Ubuntu boot anim [16:17] odd [16:17] john-mcaleely yep [16:51] I wonder why it blnked then [16:52] jdstrand, indeed, my bad... that timing is stuck in my head [16:58] ogra_: I'm trying to get ubuntu touch to recognize an arduino. First thing I see is that lsusb doesn't show anything when I connect the device. And probably, ftdi kernel module is not avaible. Suggestions? [16:59] Not really.... apart fem... Build that module and file a bug [16:59] *from [17:01] rvr: usb-serial adapter drivers are indeed not built in the kernel [17:01] dobey: :( [17:01] rvr: indeed. i have need for ftdi and keyspan; but alas, no drivers [17:01] at least for the M10 we should enable a good bunch of additional modules [17:02] why only for the m10? [17:02] can we build modules that aren't in the boot.img somehow? [17:02] Because it is more a 1x1 laptop replacement than the phones [17:03] Why not [17:03] the source is there, you should always be able to insmod them [17:03] i don't know. i'm not an android-in-a-container expert [17:03] that's why i'm asking :) [17:03] has nothing to do with containers [17:04] Ubuntu runs natively on the kernel [17:04] and afaik, the boot.img has to be limited to a size [17:04] ogra_: right, but the kernel isn't built in the archive [17:04] ogra_: because yay proprietary kernel stuffs [17:04] if you have a .ko you should be able to just insmod... If the symbols match [17:05] enabling loadable module support would at least allow it [17:05] And a ko can just be built from the kernel source [17:05] so we'd need to build the modules, stick them in i guess the device tarball, and then unpack those into the root fs? [17:05] greyback, it should be enabld [17:05] iirc ufw requires even that we have modules [17:06] ogra_: I've not checked M10. All our phone kernels have it disabled [17:06] what ?!?!?! [17:06] thats a serious bug then [17:06] /usr/share/ufw/check-requirements tells you what is missing for it to work [17:07] dobey, nah, you can just insmod from ./ [17:07] I hit that when trying to enable kernel & gpu profiling tooling [17:07] and it is a serious bug if we don't have netfilter configured for the kernel [17:07] ogra_: i presume we want udev modprobe magic to work though, no? [17:07] jdstrand, we might... but seemingly not as modules [17:07] oh, some phone kernels have module loading disabled [17:07] but so long as netfilter is configured, that is ok [17:07] jdstrand, seems all of them... Which is really bad [17:08] ogra_: I might be wrong about _all_ [17:08] I wonder who decided that [17:08] it took us weeks to get the infrastructure for modules right in the device tarball [17:08] odd that this isn't used [17:09] but yeah, I don't see the bind mount in /lib/modules that should be there [17:10] anyway, break time; might as well use it for a break :) [17:10] so there is no way to make attached usb devices work ever [17:10] :(((( [17:10] ogra_: my mp3 player works fine over otg :) [17:10] Because it dosnt use a module [17:11] some devices work, most don't [17:11] yeah [17:11] really bad [17:11] The usb keyboard works [17:11] yeah it's not nice [17:11] dobey: because it uses mtp I guess [17:11] especially since it was designed differently [17:11] davmor2: no. it's just a disk [17:12] anyway, lunch break :) [17:12] so just usb-storage [17:12] yeah [17:12] I doubt there's much real consistency between the kernel configs of the devices we ship tbh [17:12] well, but there is infrastructure to support modules... We should really use it [17:13] +1 [17:13] we desigbed it mwith the guy who wants to load home built extra modules in mind back then [17:14] like android lets you load modules at the bare minimum via insmod with a path [17:15] ogra_: Would be possible to ship modules on a click app? [17:16] I guess it would, but won't have the permissions to make the kernel load it [17:18] Yeah [17:18] you could ship it but not load [17:40] does the browser use a different useragent on the m10/tablet vs the phones? === kurros_ is now known as kurros [17:42] can't get plex to play video on the m10. it detects the session as Safari so I'm thinking its using some safari-ism that oxide doesn't like [17:43] but there is a webapp in the store so it ostensibly works on other devices === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [18:05] kurros: The browser used in click is qt webkit, since webkit is also used in safari it is assumed that it must be a safari browser [18:06] PaulfraOSAA: it is not qt webkit [18:06] it's oxide, which is based on chromium content api [18:07] ok, I stand corrected === charles_ is now known as charles [18:10] we specify the UA string and it is different on tablet kurros [18:11] is the list of quirk UAs in an editable file? [18:17] kurros, let me look its in a js file somewhere [18:19] kurros: you can override it in a webapp [18:19] kurros: so if there is a webapp in the store, it might be doing that [18:20] yeah the app doesn't work either. good to know, though. i'll ping the guy and see if he can add a tablet UA override. [18:20] he's got a bunch of unfair 1 star reviews now [18:22] yeah thats the best way === Zic is now known as Guest78851 === Guest78851 is now known as Zic === _charlie_sanders is now known as charlie_sanders [19:31] mhall119 what is band aids for ubuntu on touch devices? [19:39] ahoneybun: similar to papercuts [19:39] ahoneybun: join the session :) [19:39] the Ubuntu GNOME one is going on AT< [19:39] ATM [19:39] waiting for it dobey [19:40] oh [19:41] would love for somemore work on tablet side :) [19:41] * ahoneybun has N7 [19:50] ahoneybun: is for general software issues, not device-spcific things though :) [19:50] yea but helpful for us all === _charlie_sanders is now known as charlie_sanders [20:23] Anyone know if Canonical is aware of the disaster going on with the sale of Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu Edition? [20:23] The announcement in the last ubuntu insights does not look like it.. [20:30] founderio: what do you mean? [20:31] about JD only selling the gold version, maybe [20:31] Availability only in Gold... yep [20:32] and their.. very.. high quality support.. [20:33] I mean.. the announcements are so positive and all -> then the disappointment when I look at the Q&A section [20:35] Also.. why gold.. Is that an official decision, or just JD doing weird stuff? (I'd say selling the black version probably reaches more customers...) [20:37] probably just JD. dunno why they are the only non-china distributor this time around [20:37] meizu probably doesn't care [20:37] as far as i understood it, the meizu pro 5 ubuntu is *exclusively* available from JD [20:37] and no, they don't care.. [20:37] outside of china, yes [20:37] I already tried ubuntusales@meizu.com [20:38] no reply from them... [20:38] almost a week and not even a "we received your message" [20:38] they did a weird arrangement with the MX4 for europe, i guess it wasn't worth continuing that [20:39] i think the MX4 was the first time they sold anything outside of china [20:39] well all the "regular" current models are, as far as I can tell, available on amazon (.de) [20:39] Not all available yet, but still.. [20:40] As stated above.. Does Canonical know? (or even care?) This hits the image of ubuntu quite a bit if I were to guess.. [20:43] i think its out of their hands, unfortunately [20:44] I'll try to reach out to them.. If you want to follow a long / spread the word [or just laugh at the outcome ;)] feel free: https://twitter.com/founderio_dhx/status/727596128066260992 [20:44] might be, but they still may care.. or try to prevent that in the future [20:44] maybe time for a flight to shanghai? :) [20:45] uhm.. sure.. you free on the weekend? ;) [20:46] hopefully other OEM/ODMs will take note [20:46] The gold is a choice from meizu.... Canonical has no influence on that [20:46] i'd be happy for any official ubuntu phone that worked in the US at this point [20:47] "invest in gold" they said :) [20:47] :) [20:47] doesn't it? "officially" it is "world wide" with "free shipping" aaaand advertised in black.. [20:47] heh, yah.. [20:47] yeah i think the problem is that canonical's blog posts and such have shown the black model [20:48] still, I need a new phone.. and since I am on this channel you probably know which system I'd like on that piece of tech.. [20:48] and yes, would it be an agreed choice made between Meizu AND Canonical, my sentiments would be better I guess... [20:49] Buy a gold one and get it painted ;) [20:49] black spray paint: $3.99 [20:49] hehe [20:49] you forget... new display without paint: $299 ;) [20:49] BeDazzle it [20:50] * ogra_ is sure there must be professional offers to get a good paint job for a phone [20:50] newspapers and paint are cheap. it's called masking :) [20:52] to be honest, the color is probably the least problem.. I just fear that this whole affair -> and the obviously "top notch" customer support "Thank you for your support for JD!" -> will cast a bad light on something that is already very dim lit (i.e. not known to many people).. And if ubuntu-touch is discontinued due to that bad light... back to Android? iOS? the dark side? === _charlie_sanders is now known as charlie_sanders [21:00] Ubuntu on phones wont be discontinued [21:01] a) nobody can guarantee that [21:01] but b) I ceartainly hope so [21:01] a) it's open source [21:01] It is just another formbfactor of the xesktop code [21:01] b) so it will only be "discontinued" if nobody ever builds any images for phones :) [21:01] desktop [21:02] true.. [21:02] agh.. frustrating [21:04] there will definitely be images for a long time still ... [21:05] it isnt the userbase that counts ... else we would have stopped doing desktop long ago :) [21:06] since we are already on this topic.. I've had a bit of a look around.. the info I found seems to indicate that installing ubuntu on - let's just say a nexus - is more like a dev-preview? or is that actually a full-fledged usable version now? (I don't care about fancy stuff.. Phone, wifi, contacts wokr as far as I have seen.. But what are the exact drawbacks?) [21:06] * founderio is considering just buying a compatible device with good specs [21:06] drawbacks? [21:06] fully usable ... all devices use the exactly same rootfs [21:07] i've been using ubuntu on a nexus 5 as my phone for over 2 years [21:07] the page I read told something about "oem specific features" [21:07] well, ports usually have limitations in HW support [21:07] yeah, but since I want to buy a new phone anyways -> I'll just pick one with the best mix of support & features ;) [21:07] the N4 as a fully supported device doesnt ... the N5 has its (small) share of issues [21:08] * ogra_ would take a MX5pro then [21:08] you wont find any petter HW ... with better support [21:08] *better [21:09] would be nice to have a retail device that was snapdragon though [21:09] the MX5 is [21:09] wait.. MX5 Pro or Pro 5? (there is both??) [21:10] THE ONE YOU CAN BUY WITH UBUNTU :p [21:10] EEK [21:10] ogra_: eh? [21:10] anybody knows a way to have flash install in ubuntu touch? [21:10] Man, the N4 was something really great. The lack of LTE got me to move away from it, but in many ways I miss it [21:10] * ogra_ whacks his caps key [21:10] ralbo: adobe flash? no [21:10] dobey: eh ? ? [21:10] bummer ;( [21:10] * founderio is confused [21:11] any other options? [21:11] don't use flash? [21:11] ogra_: the mx5 is what? [21:11] ralbo: configure your browser to pretend to be an iPad -> *ding* -> HTML5 Videos [21:12] Im trying to use spotify web, I cannt becuse of flash, what can I use instead? [21:12] dobey: oh, sorry, it is exynos ... i thought it was snapdragon [21:12] ogra_: that's samsung right? [21:12] yep [21:12] same as the S7 i think [21:12] founderio: thanks!! [21:13] ralbo: just an idea.. might not work! [21:13]