[04:24] <mappps> hi
[04:24] <daftykins> mornin' o/
[04:25] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[04:25] <mappps> sup
[04:25] <daftykins> mmm woke up early, caught a baseball game... now trying out this Night Manager series
[04:27] <mappps> ah its decent
[04:27] <mappps> i enjoyed it
[04:58] <daftykins> mappps: some amazing scenes in this
[04:58] <daftykins> Mallorca :o
[05:59] <mappps> hey yea
[05:59] <mappps> i think it set in the most expensive villa in majora
[06:01] <daftykins> :D
[06:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:54] <daftykins> howdy \o
[07:41] <gregoryfenton_>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER gregoryfenton_ hwztweyzxrtb
[07:41] <gregoryfenton_> sorry
[07:41] <daftykins> best to use the status window for such commands, :)
[07:42] <gregoryfenton_> Copy paste is the devil
[07:42] <daftykins> indeed!
[08:03] <davmor2> Morning all happy Monday that isn't
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <Myrtti> myh
[09:02] <bashrc> fake mondays
[09:02] <brobostigon> is that like fake coffee thats made of sawdust?
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Mon^H^H^HTuesday, and (one for the X-Philes) happy Paranormal Day! 😃
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: can only be these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe93CLbHjxQ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdNLUT0MdNg
[09:18] <foobarry> i haz a new doggy
[09:19] <popey> yay
[09:20] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/wFda5i4.jpg
[09:21] <foobarry> he's super friendly with kids and dogs
[09:32] <popey> awwww
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> he looks worried, has he seen your backup implementation? :-)
[09:37] <foobarry> he was watching my son play mario kart
[09:37] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi: i saw your name in linux voice :D
[09:38] <foobarry> did you knwo you were in it
[09:39] <MooDoo> :)
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> no, screenshot of irc channel?
[09:40] <foobarry> https://www.linuxvoice.com/issues/018/Linux-Voice-Issue-018.pdf page 23
[09:40] <foobarry> yep
[11:39] <knightwise> installing 16.04 in a vm. I want to make sure my synology client works on it before I do an inplace upgrad
[12:07] <foobarry> does unity8 work with nvidia drivers?
[12:39] <popey> foobarry: not yet
[12:39] <foobarry> ah, ta popey i thought i saw something about a versino in march that supported it
[12:41] <davmor2> foobarry: initial support is in the latest released that doesn't necessarily mean available for us yet :)  Soon though at a guess
[13:34] <diddledan> this looks terrible: https://youtu.be/QlSAiI3xMh4
[13:34] <diddledan> problem is I’m gonna watch it
[13:50] <popey> oh gosh, that looks awful
[13:51] <knightwise> oliver stone , mr bru-ha USA is going to do this movie ?
[13:52] <knightwise> the man from platoon, no ?
[13:55] <diddledan> popey: it really does!
[13:59] <aptanet> Anyone know the relationship between Ubuntu Software, Software Updater and the notifications of updates? Are they looking at different things?
[13:59] <diddledan> they’re all looking at apt
[14:00] <aptanet> In which case why do I keep getting a notification of available updates when Software Updater can't find any?
[14:00] <aptanet> and why did Software Update put some updates in this morning, when Ubuntu Software was and still is showing one update?
[14:01] <aptanet> although what it is I don't know, it just says OS Updates, which is about as vague as Windows!
[14:02] <DJones> aptanet: I get the same thing,looks like its a bug with some software conflicts being held up, for me its libjpeg-turbo-progs which conflits with another version
[14:03] <aptanet> ooh, apt-get update lists 19 updates that Software Updater can't see
[14:03] <DJones> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16201756/
[14:05] <aptanet> Nothing listed as needing removing, I did an autoremove this morning and thought all was sorted
[14:06] <davmor2> popey: that's not fair, Eye gaugingly painful might be a better description
[14:06] <aptanet> I've only just found apt, I used apt-get (etc.) for ages, then switched to aptitude (although apt-get is still needed once in a while to sort out the database)
[14:07] <aptanet> it would be nice to have a single recommended tool rather than several almost complete options
[14:09] <aptanet> Hmm, looks like the Ubuntu Software 1 update was actually 12, I'll see how things go with future updates
[14:11] <aptanet> So far 16.04 seems pretty unexciting, but I guess that's better than exciting in the wrong way :)
[14:13] <davmor2> aptanet: you'll find a down arrow in update-manager if you click on that it will break down all the packages being installed.  Some of them only list an overview for end user that don't care about every change and just want an overview
[14:16] <aptanet> davmor2: it was Ubuntu Software that was being vague, Software Updater (update-manager) didn't see any updates at all
[14:17] <aptanet> I only tend to use the GUI tools when they pop up telling me there are updates, I'm generally much happier in the cli
[14:18] <aptanet> GUIs are getting dumbed down so much they are making things difficult!
[14:18] <davmor2> aptanet: yes gnome-software only shows updates for applications it knows about. So it would see all the ones that update-manager and apt will know about
[14:19] <aptanet> well it was seeing more than update-manager and less than apt until I updated
[14:20] <aptanet> update-manager 0; gnome-software 1; apt 10
[14:21] <aptanet> although updating through gnome-software seemed to update all 10, whereas update-manager updated nothing
[14:21] <aptanet> well, it did a batch this morning, but I was getting notifications of updates yesterday that it didn't see and then more this afternoon that it missed too
[14:22] <aptanet> not causing problems, I just get curious when things don't match up!
[14:34] <aptanet> right, back to sorting out the letsencrypt renewal script
[14:35] <bashrc> I have one of those already
[14:36] <aptanet> I've been playing with the official one and it falls over everywhere on my apache configuration
[14:37] <aptanet> I wish their online support was nicer, I'm not a fan of the sort of forum they are using (well, any forums really I guess)
[14:37] <aptanet> the format is even harder to work with than standard forums :(
[15:05]  * diddledan blames popey
[15:05] <Seeker`> for anything in particular?
[15:05] <diddledan> he told me to
[15:05] <Seeker`> or just everything?
[15:05] <diddledan> ubuntu-uos
[15:05] <diddledan> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22661/ubuntu-community-qa/
[15:06] <Seeker`> fair enough :P
[15:16] <daftykins> hrmm openvpn setup at my uncles is immensely unreliable
[15:16] <daftykins> i wonder if 14.04.4 server with the 4.2 kernel was a mistake
[16:00] <diddledan> I can’t decide which track to watch for the next uos session
[16:01] <diddledan> I’m trying to decide between “supporting legacy apps in mir and snappy” from convergence track and “snappy interfaces” from the core track
[16:03] <diddledan> I’ve gone with convergence
[16:05] <daftykins> an old girlfriend of mine used to have a t-shirt with a crocodile on it and the words "don't be snappy!"
[17:37] <zmoylan-pi> kids tv is a little darker than i remember... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI2oS2hoL0k
[17:40] <daftykins> heeey wait a minute that seesaw isn't SAFE!
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> fair enough i confess we made it ourselves
[17:41] <popey> ooh, that's excellent
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> now if they'd do the same with postman pat and the wombles... :-)
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> zombie wombles...
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> there is a an irish skit of postman pat that is slightly too rude to post even in ireland... :-)
[17:43] <daftykins> XD
[17:43] <daftykins> arsen sam has sadly all but disappeared from online sources, at least last time i looked
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> the net isn't forever despite what you hear
[17:44] <daftykins> whoever came up with that idea was a genius, play it backwards and voice over explaining why Sam starts fires everywhere
[17:44] <daftykins> gives back the sandwiches at the end... "your sandwiches were rubbish, as usual!"
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> remember the magic roundabout was surral as the english dubbed over french cartoon with completely different scripts iirc
[17:48] <daftykins> haha really? that's new to me - but then that one was before my time
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Roundabout#English-language_version cheaper than buying/translating the scipts
[17:49] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: daftykins: magic roundabout wasn’t translated at all - the stories of the English language version were invented to match the actions rather than translated
[17:49] <diddledan> yeah, wiki knows all!
[17:50] <diddledan> I wonder if there’s a wookie on wiki anywhere?
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> a cookie eating wookie on wiki...
[17:52] <daftykins> interviewed by ricki lake
[17:53] <diddledan> is she still going?
[17:53] <daftykins> i'm not even sure
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> it is 2016... *dun* *dun* *dun*
[18:13] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you fool 2016 isn't done if it was it would be 2017 :P
[18:14]  * zmoylan-pi puts on copper underwear and steps away from davmor2 in case of lightning...
[19:22] <daftykins> hmm imagining zmoylan-pi in copper underwear seems to have killed the channel for an hour
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> it depolarises the elctron stream... well known fact...
[19:25] <diddledan> I cross those
[19:25] <foobarry> can anyone recommend a micro usb->hdmi cable for my tablet?
[19:25] <diddledan> you should ordinarily never cross the depolarised electron streams
[19:26] <foobarry> do i need a fancy converter?
[19:26] <zmoylan-pi> unless you're wearing electrum underwear in which case it's fine
[19:26] <foobarry> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/251791488365?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=122&chn=ps&googleloc=1006886&poi=&campaignid=207297426&device=c&adgroupid=13585920426&rlsatarget=pla-156022141026&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=122
[19:26] <foobarry> or would this work?
[19:26] <foobarry> ebay urls you suck
[19:27] <diddledan> foobarry: unfortunately micro-usb and micro-hdmi connectors are different
[19:28] <diddledan> they’re shaped differently
[19:29] <diddledan> I think that’s the case, anywho
[19:29] <diddledan> remember IANAL
[19:29] <foobarry> what would i need to connect a hudl2 and/or kindle fire 2015 to a telly?
[19:30] <diddledan> well that link says it works with the hudl2 so .. I guess it’s ok?
[19:30] <diddledan> it’s 2.85 so not too much of a pain if it doesn’t work
[19:30] <foobarry> oh wow, i have a micro hdmi on the side
[19:31] <daftykins> best not tell the wife
[19:32] <foobarry> :P
[19:32] <foobarry> so micro hdmi -> hdmi would work?
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> it's a battle wound you got facing a scart in it's natural habitat... :-P
[19:34] <foobarry> 2.85, what a rip
[19:34] <foobarry> i'm getting a 2.49 one
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> and spending the 36p on a packet of crisps to celebrate? :-P
[19:36] <daftykins> boat officially pushed out!
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> party like it's 2016 and just out of a recession
[19:37] <foobarry> won't work on kindle fire though, might need a special thing
[19:37] <daftykins> bearing in mind most apps that you would probably want to pipe out of a tablet into a large screen disallow playback on connected displays i think
[19:37] <daftykins> unless they got rid of all of that
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> if they got if that it would be helpful to people so i'm going to guess no...
[19:40] <foobarry> really?
[19:40] <foobarry> why would they disallow
[19:40] <daftykins> not sure, i remember hearing folk say things like catchup TV services disallowed it
[19:41] <daftykins> might want to check any apps you'd want to use to see what they do or don't, an amazon FireTV is a great investment if so
[19:41] <daftykins> (full one, not the stick)
[19:42] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxZquE0vEHc seems ok for the hudl
[19:42] <foobarry> hudl2
[19:43] <foobarry> shame about lack of root on it