[12:56] <JamesJM> o/
[13:56] <alecu> hello!
[13:56] <_cyball_> hi :)
[13:57] <JamesJM> o/
[13:58] <olli|> dpm, got a link for me?
[13:58] <dragos> Im on a phone
[13:59] <_cyball_> does the stream work? mine is still black .. it says stream will start shortly ...
[13:59] <kyrofa> _cyball_, not live yet
[13:59] <JamesJM> Still 30 seconds to go... ;-)
[14:05] <CheeseBurg> Hey! Did I miss much?
[14:05] <mhall119> CheeseBurg: nope, just started
[14:06] <om26er> mhall119, I can't find the link, where is it ?
[14:06] <mhall119> om26er: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22663/ubuntu-online-summit-opening-plenary/
[14:12] <justCarakas> QUESTION why are all the photos of the Pro 5 in black and is it only available for sale in ugly gold ?
[14:15] <olli|> justCarakas, not sure if the other colors sold out already
[14:15] <olli|> let me check
[14:16] <inetpro> hi everyone
[14:16] <inetpro> could someone please change this channel's topic to include the link http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/2016-05-03
[14:18] <mhall119> inetpro: there should be bots handling that, I've pinged the IRC team to see if they need a poke
[14:18] <justCarakas> @oLLi| From what I can see there is only a golden 32 Meizu PRO 5 ubuntu edition
[14:21] <sergiusens> \o/ I hope that means  we finally get auto backup for photos!
[14:21] <ogra_> high hopes :)
[14:21] <dpm> :)
[14:21] <kyrofa> sergiusens, that barely works with the owncloud app on android :P
[14:22] <kyrofa> Though maybe the most recent release improved it...
[14:22] <sergiusens> kyrofa well now I would prefer backing up to amazon photos as I have it for free and unused :-)
[14:22] <kyrofa> sergiusens, huh, I didn't know about that one actually
[14:23] <sergiusens> kyrofa free for prime members ;-)
[14:23] <olli|> justCarakas, it seems to be the only option at this point, not sure what the context is, sorry
[14:23] <mhall119> multi-window webbrowser-app \o/
[14:23] <ogra_> pfft, who needs that
[14:23] <justCarakas> it sucks, its keeping me from actualy buying the phone and canonical and meizu are ignoring my tweets about it
[14:23]  * ogra_ prefers multiple webapps instead ... each in its own confinement :)
[14:24] <sergiusens> ogra_ well, I have to switch tabs to go from my irc tab to the onair one ;-)
[14:24] <mhall119> ogra_: I hope it means we can have one normal and one private window open at the same time
[14:24] <ogra_> sergiusens, use my kiwi-irc app :)
[14:24] <sergiusens> ogra_ I can't get that to work on the desktop; a webapp open the browser and keeps the icon
[14:24] <mhall119> useful for web dev
[14:25] <sergiusens> ogra_ I'm on desktop ubuntu (xenial) and I snap install[ed] shout ;-)
[14:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, so roll a snap for the clisnt side too ... using a webapp-container
[14:25] <fusel> ogra_: wouldn't private especially benefit from being an extra app that has less privileges? if eg. it drops access to the normal browsing data on disk
[14:25] <ogra_> *client
[14:26] <mhall119> fusel: the browser already doesn't have access to data on disk, it goes through ContentHub for that
[14:26] <ogra_> fusel, for sure ... thats the reason why i prefer webapps ... a private window of the same browser app still shares bits and pieces
[14:26] <ogra_> mhall119, well ... it has shared space that all tabs can use
[14:26] <fusel> mhall119: it has access to its own data, such as cookies and browsing history, which shouldn't be used ever in private browsing
[14:26] <ogra_> right
[14:27] <sergiusens> ogra_ I have this http://paste.ubuntu.com/16202003/
[14:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah
[14:27] <mhall119> fusel: ah,I see
[14:28] <sergiusens> ogra_ but if I open that it opens in the main webbrowser-app that is running; and if I open it before opening the webbrowser-app it will use that as the main instance
[14:28] <ogra_> sergiusens, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/slack-webapp/files just make a deb ;)
[14:29] <sergiusens> ogra_ your slack deb desktop file also opens in the main browser instead of it's own window
[14:29] <sergiusens> ogra_ try using webbrowser-app as your main browser and you will see what I mean ;-)
[14:29] <ogra_> nah
[14:29] <ogra_> Exec=webapp-container https://ubuntu.slack.com/
[14:29] <ogra_> it explicitly uses a container
[14:30] <sergiusens> ogra_ do what I say and you will see ;-)
[14:30] <ogra_> sergiusens, thats a bug then (it definitely worked for me on wily ... havent used the slack app under xenial yet)
[14:31] <sergiusens> ogra_ if I don't have  webbrowser-app instance at all and use firefox or chrome as main browsers you wouldn't notice this
[14:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, if a -container call opens in the browser thats definitely a really bad bug
[14:33] <ogra_> (with my webapps i rely on the fact that the app doesnt share any of its cache etc)
[14:34] <sergiusens> QUESTION what is the powerd overhaul all about?
[14:34] <mhall119> overhauling powerd ;)
[14:35] <ogra_> wax on... wax off ...
[14:35] <olli|> sergiusens, powerd is causing death by papercut
[14:36]  * olli| remembers kgunn venting on any interaction between powerd and e.g. proximity sensor
[14:36] <sergiusens> mhall119 hah, but how
[14:36] <mhall119> carefully?
[14:36] <sergiusens> olli| if it implies no more dbus, I am all for it ;-)
[14:37] <olli|> that I don't know
[14:37] <olli|> bregma leads repowerd iirc
[14:37] <kyrofa> olli|, why not superpowerd?
[14:41] <sergiusens> UDS Q was my furthest recollection of the python2 conversation for me
[14:41] <sergiusens> err, ignore the bad grammar :-)
[14:41] <dobey> what's left on the image that uses py2?
[14:41] <willcooke> People interested in AppStream:  https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-AppStream-About.html#about-whatis
[14:41] <heemayl> Is there any dependency of Py2 left on 16.04?
[14:42] <willcooke> dobey, some Samba tools I think
[14:43] <dobey> ah, hmm
[14:44] <willcooke> dobey, we'll be in #ubuntu-uos-core if you're free to chat
[14:44] <willcooke> in 15 mins
[14:44] <olli|> kyrofa :)
[14:45] <heemayl> ubuntu SC is gine, no?
[14:45] <olli|> we have to reserve some names for the next rewrite
[14:45] <kyrofa> olli|, haha
[14:45] <Wellark> heemayl: you mean Ubuntu Software Center, right?
[14:45] <heemayl> Yep
[14:45] <Wellark> willcooke: --^
[14:46] <heemayl> Its GNome ?
[14:46] <mhall119> heemayl: USC is still in the archives I think, but not the default install
[14:46] <willcooke> yeah, it's GNOME Software
[14:46] <dobey> software-center and gnome-software aren't the same thing; the latter replaced the former in the default install
[14:47] <willcooke> u-s-c is still in the archive if you want to install it, but it's unmaintained
[14:47] <heemayl> Hmm.. i am not using 16.04 but read the release notes ththe USC is gone in favor of Gnome SC
[14:47] <willcooke> heemayl, correct
[14:48] <heemayl> So they are not mutually exclusive?
[14:48] <willcooke> heemayl, nope
[14:48] <heemayl> Good to know
[14:48] <vulkam> where am i? o_O
[14:48] <willcooke> heemayl, all the dependancies are still there in 16.04.  But likely won't be in 16.10
[14:48] <nhaines> Nope, no more than apt, apt-get, aptititude, and synaptic are mutually exclusive.  (They're not!)
[14:49] <heemayl> Ahh, so just for the time being..
[14:49] <bluebug> There is already an application called snap (snap - Semi-HMM-based Nucleic Acid Parser). How are you going to avoid conflict with snap package manager?
[14:49] <heemayl> bluebug: Thats already causing problems on man pages and some other places..
[14:50] <heemayl> Some users are needing to remove snap to install snapd
[14:50] <heemayl> Saw some questions on AU
[14:51] <bluebug> heemayl: Probably I need to give up one :P
[14:51] <heemayl> haha..then its going to be snap for sure :D
[14:52] <kyrofa> bluebug, heemayl please raise those concerns in #snappy
[14:53] <heemayl> Well, i can but the problem is they are not gonna remove a whole packaging system for a single package..
[14:53] <bluebug> They can rename it
[14:53] <dobey> well, can fix the dependencies
[14:53] <heemayl> Thats a solution
[14:54] <alecu> remember to eat your vegetables!
[14:54] <kyrofa> dobey, yeah that's probably the easiest
[14:54] <ogra_> alecu, yummy !
[14:54] <kyrofa> heemayl, bluebug at least log a bug?
[14:54] <dobey> heemayl: eh, i can install snap and snapd both
[14:54] <heemayl> good for you..saw some posts on AU
[14:54] <heemayl> i dont have 16.04 soc at check
[14:54] <heemayl> *can't
[14:55] <dobey> oh
[14:55] <dobey> there is a media player called snappy though
[14:55] <ogra_> dobey, there are a lot of things called snappy :)
[14:55] <dobey> and for some reason it snapd conflicts with it
[14:56] <bluebug> They should name it upk (ubuntu package manager) :)
[14:56] <dobey> Conflicts: snap (<< 2013-11-29-1ubuntu1), snappy
[14:56] <dobey> not nice
[14:56] <dobey> someone should file a bug about it
[14:57] <bluebug> I'll try to file. But I dunno, how to do that.
[14:57] <dobey> ubuntu-bug snapd
[14:57] <dobey> run that :)
[14:57] <ogra_> bluebug, chack the channel topic in #snappy ...
[14:57] <ogra_> there is a link to the right place
[14:58] <heemayl> saw this today
[14:58] <heemayl> http://askubuntu.com/a/763695/216503\
[14:59] <ogra_> well, if you are using an ubuntu desktop you realyl shouldnt have to care ... snapd is part of the default seed nowadays
[14:59] <ogra_> snap install will work out of the box
[15:00] <dobey> ogra_: well, you don't have to care unless you want to also use the things which snappy conflicts with
[15:01] <bluebug> ogra_: Thanks
[15:01] <ogra_> dobey, these would have been uninstalled on upgrade though
[15:02] <dobey> that's not the point i was making :)
[15:03] <ogra_> i know :)
[15:05] <dobey> anyway, plenary over. cheers :)