[00:05] <qwetrtyur> Life is not a game, life is very serious. https://vimeo.com/146271765
[00:18] <Reece> Xubuntu rocks
[00:33] <craigbass76> I keep having trouble with browsers (ff, chrome, and chromium -- haven't tested much with Vivaldi yet) going crazy as far as system resources go. Is this something you all are also experiencing, or just me? I leave a browser open for a while, and then BOOM! Top is showing a load average of 4 or 5, and the guilty party is a browser.
[00:34] <craigbass76> I'm wondering if it's the ads so many sites are showing now
[01:25] <rfleming> Greetings
[01:34] <subscious> hello I am trying to install google chrome as downloaded from google.com. The *.deb file opens the Software app but the install button only shows a blue progressbar for short after clicking and then resets. What is the problem?
[01:39] <rfleming> GNOME Software is broken
[01:39] <rfleming> it is a known issue.
[01:40] <rfleming> You can either do it through the command line via dpkg -i
[01:40] <rfleming> or install gdebi and through there
[01:41] <rfleming> subscious, if you do use dpkg -i, you will need to run `sudo apt-get -f install` to install the missing dependencies.
[01:42] <rfleming> subscious, as to detail the problem, for whichever reason GNOME Software neglects to prompt you for your credentials to gain the privileges to install Google Chrome, so it starts the install, then silently errors out and resets.
[01:42] <subscious> thanks rfleming
[01:43] <Unit193> In theory one can also do  sudo apt install /path/to/package.deb
[01:43] <rfleming> at least I think it silently errors out as I can't find a log
[01:44] <rfleming> Alright.  It's time to make some popcorn, and go watch Bridge of Spies with the wifey.  Kids are asleep.
[01:44] <rfleming> ttyal.
[01:45] <rfleming> subscious, good luck getting your new system up! :)
[01:46] <subscious> rfleming thanks again. I'm going forward quite fast I think. gdebi did the job. will have to learn using dpkg -i some other time
[01:48] <squinty> subscious,  imho, better to use gdebi... it checks to see that all dependancies are satisfied.
[01:56] <detoya> I'd like to start using 16.04 but I've grown accustomed to the bugs in 14.04 ... what do I need to know about upgrading?
[01:56] <detoya> like how often do I need to restart the desktop to keep it usable?
[01:57] <subscious> detoya: I just installe 16.04 and had a pleasant ride so far. Only bug was software center not beeing able to install deb files and some renaming of repositorys
[01:57] <Unit193> !notes
[01:57] <detoya> Does nm-applet make an icon in the notification area?
[01:58] <Unit193> detoya: It's a good idea to backup data, but you can try Xenial live too if you wish.
[01:58] <subscious> detoya: Why don't you give the live cd a try you can see those things there
[01:58] <detoya> I tried the livecd version of 14.04 before upgrading from 12.04 and it seemed stable too lol
[01:58] <subscious> it's a stable release after al
[01:58] <subscious> *all
[01:58] <detoya> just would like some answers from people who are using a living breathing installation :-)
[01:59] <detoya> 14.04 has never been stable, I've had to restart it 3-4 times a day
[01:59] <subscious> detoya: I am using it now for about 2 hours just installing stuff and giving netflix with google chrome a test just now
[01:59] <detoya> talking about XFCE... gnome and kde and fluxbox were stable but I don't like them.
[02:00] <subscious> gnome was discontinued last I checked
[02:00] <Unit193> Weird, but there's Xfce 4.12 in Xenial.
[02:00] <Unit193> No, GNOME3 is still alive and strong.
[02:00] <detoya> XFCE notification area wouldn't show icons for many apps
[02:00] <detoya> panel would stop hiding
[02:00] <subscious> Oh. it was gnome2 then. didn't like the remodel of GNOME3. bummer
[02:01] <detoya> so can any of you get nm-applet to show connection icon in 16.04?
[02:01] <Unit193> detoya: As far as your problems, did you try a guest session?
[02:01] <Unit193> nm-applet works fine.
[02:01] <detoya> I tried rm-rf /home
[02:02] <detoya> how about suspend from the session menu?
[02:03] <detoya> does suspend work or do you gotta do it manually from shell?
[02:04] <detoya> for me in 14.04 it works sometimes, other times it just locks up the desktop session.
[02:04] <detoya> then I gotta CTRL-ALT-F1 log in and HUP xorg
[02:05] <squinty> detoya,  just out of curiosity why "rm -rf /home"
[02:05] <detoya> to make sure no user config is interfering with the desktop.
[02:05] <detoya> even the guest has some residual config lol
[02:06] <squinty> detoya,  that would have wiped out every setting for every user on your box
[02:06] <detoya> but to answer the question guest didn't work any better
[02:06] <detoya> only if you didn't have a cron making regular rsync backups ;-)
[02:07] <squinty> detoya,  ok just making sure  :)
[02:07] <detoya> and it's a laptop, there's no multiple users
[02:07] <squinty> detoya,  there is on mine laptops   backup admin users for emergencies
[02:08] <detoya> But speaking of that, does opening a guest session from a live dekstop work in 16.04?  It never worked in XFCE in 14.04 for me
[02:08] <detoya> worked fine with Unity and KDE, but not XFCE
[02:09] <detoya> I know I sound like I hate XFCE but actually I love it, I'm just intimate with its failings
[02:09] <detoya> kinda like how you know the many things you should not trust your husband to do right lol
[02:10] <Unit193> I never used guest, but I don't believe I had a lot of the problems you did.  I know indicators were a bit quirky at some point, but much better here.
[02:10] <detoya> being able to have nm-applet icon is a big deal for me...
[02:10] <detoya> the only way I could get it was ssh -X root@localhost nm-applet
[02:11] <Unit193> Sounds like your indicators are messed up.
[02:11] <detoya> which is ludicrous
[02:17] <detoya> sometimes skype would not show up, some software like winswitch I could never get to work with XFCE at all
[02:18] <detoya> anyhow what I'm hearing is that you're not having those issues with latest so I'll give it a try
[02:19] <detoya> maybe I should just update the repos to Xenial, install xfce4 packages and see how it goes then I can roll back if need be.
[02:20] <detoya> like the good old days running Sarge and running kde 3.12 from testing lol
[04:02] <xubuntu18w> whats best way to do a upgrade to 16.04 lts release, from 14.04?
[04:03] <xangua> Force upgrade, wait for 16.04 first point release, grab the ISO and upgrade with it
[07:33] <xubuntu70w> Hi, I'm having problem with my wifi. Its working with my 12.04 installation. Hardware switch(Fn + F2) not turing it on.
[07:33] <xubuntu70w> Here is some outputs of network related command. http://paste.ubuntu.com/16199466/
[09:26] <xubuntu08i> hi
[09:28] <xubuntu08i> @ all    ^
[11:03] <xubuntu89i> Hello, trying to install Xubuntu - the live version works great. Once install finished however, my computer attempted to boot and I was shown the message 'No Boot device found'. Any ideas?
[11:03] <xubuntu89i> I'm currently reinstalling as we speak
[11:05] <xubuntu89i> Also some weird thing with the trackpad - it kind of...jumps to the bottom corner every once in awhile. Not sure why
[11:05] <xubuntu89i> I did this on Solus as well, so I'm used to it, but never on Windows
[11:05] <xubuntu89i> *It did this
[11:11] <xubuntu89i> I am getting about 12-14 hours of constant moderate/heavy use per charge with Xubuntu live though
[11:11] <xubuntu89i> Loving that!
[12:13] <pencilandpaper> Good morning.
[12:54] <jmaestu> hola
[12:54] <jmaestu> alguien puede prestarme una ayuda por favor
[13:57] <Tvilling> Hi! I upgraded to 16.04 recently, and now my mouse pointer consistently disappears after logging in after resuming from sleep. Is this a known issue?
[13:57] <Tvilling> It's a laptop, Lenovo X240
[13:58] <Tvilling> I have to restart lightdm to get it to reappear again, and it's a bit annoying to have to do that every time it happens
[14:09] <knome> Tvilling, did you read the release announcement?
[14:11] <Tvilling> knome: Nope, just a general google-search for known bugs... Thanks
[14:34] <Babloyi> xubuntu 16.04 is out, but I'm still on 14.04, and my updater doesn't seem to know a new LTS is out?
[14:34] <Babloyi> there no way to update directly from 14.04 to 16.04?
[14:34] <Pici> !ltsupgrade
[14:36] <Babloyi> ohhhh
[14:36] <Babloyi> ok
[14:36] <Babloyi> I can wait :D
[14:36] <Babloyi> all the more time for more things to get compatible
[15:08] <anomaly> I have a shell script I want to bind to a keyboard shortcut.  when I run the script from a terminal it does as expected.  when I go into keyboard shortcuts in settings and assign the shortcut it does not run.  I have assigned other shortcuts and they work as expected.   what else can I look at or do to make this work?
[16:08] <rfleming> Greetings!
[16:50] <dave_p> Hello, I have a broken menu item that is not listed in the MenuLibre list. Since it is broken I'd like to remove it but can't find where it is located. Any suggestions?
[16:53] <dave_p> For further information I'm on 16.04
[16:55] <mrkramps> dave_p, this broken menu entry is for which application?
[17:17] <dave_p> mrkramps: It is Telegram, the messenger.
[18:49] <Nebucatnetzer> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with xfburn. When I try to burn mp3's it shows a pop up with this text "Gstreamer did not like this file (detection timed out)". I tried now for about 2-3 hours to solve this problem but I couldn't get it to work.
[18:50] <Nebucatnetzer> I tried to install the good, bad and ugly plugin for gstreamer but that didn't help. Also any other mentioned packages/plugins mentioned on various blogs didn't solve it.
[18:51] <Nebucatnetzer> *packages/plugins for gstreamer
[18:53] <Nebucatnetzer> My questions are now the following ones: Is there a solution to this? If there isn't a solution should I file a bug and if yes where? Ubuntu/Xubuntu/xfburn
[18:53] <well_laid_lawn> have you used something like ffmpeg to check the files ?
[18:54] <Nebucatnetzer> how would I do that? What I tried was to use Brasero which works fine.
[18:55] <well_laid_lawn> just  ffmpeg -i /path/to/mp3   and see what it reports
[18:57] <Nebucatnetzer> http://pastebin.com/Lj6q7qnZ
[18:59] <well_laid_lawn> apart from the line 14 junk that looks ok
[19:01] <Nebucatnetzer> They play fine btw, just tested it with vlc
[19:01] <well_laid_lawn> my guess is gstreamer is getting stymied by that junk
[19:02] <well_laid_lawn> you could try rewriting the file with ffmpeg and see if that clears it up
[19:04] <Nebucatnetzer> hmm not really a good solution. a friend of mine is having the problem and that wouldn't work for her.
[19:04] <Nebucatnetzer> I was just able to reproduce it in a VM
[19:05] <Nebucatnetzer> however I can test it anyway to see if the problem goes away
[19:37] <Nebucatnetzer> @well_laid_lawn I've rewritten the file with ffmpeg but it didn't work
[19:43] <tgeest> quit
[19:54] <well_laid_lawn> Nebucatnetzer:  you can check if there's an existing bug for that or file a new one if you like
[19:54] <well_laid_lawn> !bugs
[19:56] <Nebucatnetzer> I'm filing a new one at the moment. Couldn't find an existing one. Thank you for your help :)
[20:06] <pjotter1> Hi people. Jut a quick question: Why does the default Xubuntu theme have so little space reserved on the edges of the windows? It's almost impossible for me to grab the side of a window and resize it. Or maybe I'm missing something?
[20:07] <nairwolf> hi pjotter1 : I have the same feeling badly....
[20:07] <pleia2> pjotter1: if you're having trouble grabbing the edges, there's a post about other methods for resizing windows: http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[20:08] <pleia2> (I can't answer the question as to why they're so small though)
[20:08] <pjotter1> I always find myself switching to the Kokodi windows manager.
[20:09] <pleia2> I use method 2 from that post almost exclusively, it's even easier than edge grabbing
[20:10] <pleia2> (though it doesn't work with all apps, some grab the alt input)
[20:10] <pjotter1> I mainly use a wacom pen. NOt sure if that mathod works with that too...
[20:10] <pleia2> only one way to find out :)
[20:11] <pjotter1> Thats weird. I cant even get the method to work with a mouse. Just press alt and right anywhere on the window?
[20:13] <pjotter1> Larighty I got it. Withg me I had to press the right altkey and the windowskey similtaniously and right click. I don;t think this will be a very handy method in my case... :S
[20:13] <pleia2> no windows key, I hold down alt and then right click+move mouse
[20:14] <pleia2> but yeah, sounds not
[20:14] <pleia2> much easier and intuitive with a mouse
[20:15] <pjotter1> Ah ok, got it now
[20:15] <pjotter1> I had selecte super key instead of alt in the settings
[20:15] <pleia2> ah :)
[20:16] <pjotter1> Yes, that is for working with photoshop I'm afraid. Photoshop uses the alt key al lot for various functions.
[20:17] <pjotter1> But I guess it wouldn't be very hard to alter the graybird theme myself to get some thicker edges around the windows?
[20:17] <pleia2> I don't know
[20:19] <pjotter1> I just installes 16.04 in a virtualbox. Looks really great!
[20:32] <xubuntu26w> hi all!
[20:33] <xubuntu26w> please help, maybe stupid question, but. an anybody help to resolve one problem/ libreoffice can't open files fom smb shares
[20:33] <xubuntu26w> in xubuntu 14.04 all was fine, but in 15.10 and 16.04, problem presist
[20:34] <mrkramps> xubuntu26w, install libreoffice-gnome and gvfs-backend-goa
[20:35] <xubuntu26w> mrkramps tnx! I'll try
[20:36] <mrkramps> should be gvfs-backends-goa, sry
[20:40] <xubuntu26w> is the libreoffice not preinstalled?
[20:40] <pjotter1> hey xubuntu26w!
[20:40] <pjotter1> I am experiencing the same thing here
[20:41] <pjotter1> Are these files on a mounted disk or something?
[20:42] <xubuntu26w> just mounted smb share
[20:42] <xubuntu26w> eg in ubuntu mate all fine, in generic ubuntu all fine too
[20:43] <pjotter1> I sure hope the sollution mrkramps gave works because I have been scratching my head over this for a few days.
[20:43] <xubuntu26w> problem only in xubuntu from 15.10
[20:43] <pjotter1> I have the problem also in 14.04
[20:43] <pjotter1> It just started recently
[20:43] <mrkramps> pjotter1, using libreoffice from ppa?
[20:43] <pjotter1> Yes
[20:43] <pjotter1> Everything 100% out of the box
[20:43] <xubuntu26w> still try to find full instruction to install gvfs-backends-goa
[20:44] <pjotter1> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends-goa
[20:44] <mrkramps> xubuntu26w:$ sudo apt-get install libreoffice-gnome gvfs-backends-goa
[20:44] <flocculant> not available for 16.04 it seems
[20:45] <xubuntu26w> flocculant looks like right!
[20:45] <xubuntu26w> Package 'gvfs-backends-goa' has no installation candidate
[20:45] <mrkramps> hm, gvfs-backends now includes goa
[20:46] <pjotter1> libreoffice-gnome is available though
[20:47] <mrkramps> ok, check if 'gvfs-backends' is installed
[20:47] <pjotter1> mrkramps: In what way does the goa package differ from the normal one?
[20:47] <mrkramps> pjotter1, it is just another backend which had been provided in a different package
[20:48] <xubuntu26w> I try "sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends"
[20:48] <pjotter1> Does it solve the problems with filelocking in Libreoffice?
[20:48] <xubuntu26w> and  get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:49] <xubuntu26w> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[20:49] <xubuntu26w> no, problem presists :(
[20:49] <pjotter1> just a few line above that it should read that the package is already installed.
[20:50] <pjotter1> xubuntu26w: I have found a few ugly workarounds that might work.
[20:51] <pjotter1> You can try disabling filelocking for Libreoffice (if indeed that is the problem in your case, I'm not 100% sure)
[20:51] <xubuntu26w> I found a lot advices about change strings in LO configs, all of them useless, just chaned error message
[20:51] <xubuntu26w> and how to disable filelocking?
[20:52] <pjotter1> Ok
[20:52] <pjotter1> Try this: $ sudo mousepad /usr/bin/soffice
[20:52] <pjotter1> Look for these lines:
[20:52] <pjotter1> # file locking now enabled by default
[20:52] <pjotter1> SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
[20:52] <pjotter1> export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
[20:53] <pjotter1> You have to comment those out by putting a # in front of them like so:
[20:53] <pjotter1> # file locking now enabled by default
[20:53] <pjotter1> # SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
[20:53] <pjotter1> # export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
[20:54] <pjotter1> Once you done that... save the file and try opening a file.
[20:54] <pjotter1> I mean try opening a file with Libreroffice.
[20:54] <pjotter1> On that samba share.
[20:56] <xubuntu26w> wow it helps!
[20:56] <pjotter1> Alrighty :)
[20:56] <pjotter1> One thing though...
[20:56] <pjotter1> You have just disabled filelocking for Libreoffice.
[20:57] <pjotter1> This means that if two user would open the same file with Libreoffice and start editing it... things would mess up.
[20:57] <pjotter1> If you're the only user on the mounted disk, you will be fine.
[20:57] <pjotter1> Just a word of caution
[20:58] <pjotter1> filelocking is meant to prevent people from opening and editing the same files and should probably be turned on.
[20:58] <pjotter1> But as there seems to be a bug here... this will work in the meantime.
[20:58] <xubuntu26w> understood. I'll look now on generic ubunto for it setting
[20:59] <pjotter1> Just uncomment those lines again to enable filelocking again.
[21:00] <pjotter1> Btw... the fact that you experience this too tells me there is something wrong with either Libreoffice or samba. We should probably consider filing a bug report.
[21:00] <pjotter1> What system do you use? I'm on Xubuntu 14.04.4 amd64
[21:02] <xubuntu26w> I just try to find perfect distribution to use at home an work
[21:02] <pjotter1> Go with Xubuntu ;)
[21:02] <xubuntu26w> xubuntu perfect for me, but from 15.10 have this problem :(
[21:02] <pjotter1> 14.04 too.
[21:03] <xubuntu26w> on 14.04 all was fine
[21:03] <pjotter1> Until recently. I just reinstalled my 14.04 and sudenly there was this problem with Libreoffice.
[21:03] <xubuntu26w> few seconds ago open config in ubuntu, these strings uncommented
[21:04] <xubuntu26w> but opens fine from smb share
[21:04] <pjotter1> What version is that?
[21:04] <xubuntu26w> latest ubuntu 16.04 x64
[21:05] <pjotter1> I know that recenlty there was an upgrade of the samba-common package. I suspect that maybe that might be the cause of this. Maybe we could check what versions are used by the systems?
[21:07] <xubuntu26w> how can I do it (I just young user of NIX systems)
[21:08] <pjotter1> me too ;)
[21:08] <pjotter1> I usually use synaptic for that
[21:09] <pjotter1> just install synaptic, run it and search for the packages. The version numbers are displayes alongside the names.
[21:16] <xubuntu26w> 2:4.3.8
[21:16] <pjotter1> Yes, me too
[21:16] <xubuntu26w> in xubuntu and ubuntu genuine
[21:17] <pjotter1> But in Ubuntu everything works like it should?
[21:18] <xubuntu26w> yes
[21:18] <xubuntu26w> in ubuntu mate all fine too
[21:18] <pjotter1> I'm reading that recently samba was fixed and updated because of something called 'badlock'. That was in april, just around the time I started noticing this buggy behaviour with Libreoffice. I'm just guessing that this might have something to do with this but I'll have to do  more testing.
[21:20] <pjotter1> Unfortunately I don't have the knowlegde to dive into this more deelpy atm... but for the time being we are saved by disabling filelocking it seems.
[21:21] <xubuntu26w> ok. tnx a lot! usually it proper desission for most situations!
[21:21] <pjotter1> btw, you can also disable filelocking by adding 'noclock' to your cifs mount entry in fstab.
[21:21] <pjotter1> That would disable filelocking for all apps. Not just Libreoffice.
[21:22] <pjotter1> whoops.. I meant 'nolock'
[21:22] <pjotter1> without quotes ofcourse
[21:24] <pjotter1> For instance: //MyNAS/Share 	/mnt/MyMount cifs	defaults,nolock,guest,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8	0 0 (or something like that)
[21:25] <pjotter1> This also 'solves'  the problem. Hence I think it might have something to do with samba.
[21:51] <esmoBG> hi   from bulgaria
[21:57] <knome> hello.
[22:05] <esmoBG> ho
[22:06] <knome> esmoBG, do you have a support question?