[03:26] ah roadblock on mergers which is out of my hands. === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 [08:03] moin === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [08:51] <@marcinsagol>: clivejo use Vivaldi [08:52] <@marcinsagol>: It is created by part of former Opera devs. Version 1.1 was released last days - it is super cool and fast etc. [08:59] <@marcinsagol>: hiho yofel [08:59] o/ [08:59] * yofel has vivialdi installed here, just isn't sure why he would use yet another chromium spinoff [08:59] even if I did like opera to some extent [09:00] I did like that UI first-run setup though [09:01] <@marcinsagol>: I like the dark theme and whit all my customised options it is what I like most ;) === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 [10:33] they are quick openSUSE Tumbleweed Prepares for GCC 6, Users Get Linux Kernel 4.5.2, Mesa 11.2 [10:40] pft [10:40] I have 4.6 already [10:43] * yofel isn't sure he wants gcc6 already... [10:43] I prever getting work done over ICEs [10:43] *pefer [10:43] *prefer... [10:44] over typos .... [10:44] :D === abruanes- is now known as abruanese [11:00] good afternoon ladies and gentlemens [11:03] grrrr I hate symbols [11:06] 3rd time lucky? [11:09] yofel: need your help, I cant see why this is failing. Ive copied ECM from the frameworks staging PPA thinking that would fix it, but still getting errors. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/9687009 [11:11] hm, there seems to be no qmake-qt5 in your build env, for whatever reason [11:11] so build dep on qtbase5-dev? [11:12] probably? dunno [11:12] whatever makes sure it's there in the other packages [11:12] but that sounds somewhat reaonsable [11:13] *reasonable [11:13] it's this time of the month again... [11:13] oh? [11:13] and where's doko when you need him [11:15] * yofel reads #kubuntu [11:16] We should probably rephrase the ppa description to "ADDING THIS PPA TO YOUR SYSTEM VOIDS THE WARRANTY" or something like that [11:17] ah [11:17] no point [11:17] people will always break the rules [11:17] we should do a "scary ppa descriptions competition" on the ML :D [11:17] and then they blame everyone else [11:19] "Microsoft Windows (TM) (R) (C) 2016 do not recommend you use the PPA, mmmmkay" [11:20] lol, that would work I guess [11:22] "Adding this PPA will lead to the FBI breaking in your door, and areesting your dog. DONT DO IT!! " [11:23] "This PPA comes with the latest version of the NSA surveillance software - for improved data redundancy" [11:24] * clivejo giggles === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [12:06] yofel: add in th description that we do not provide any support when added such ppa, and user do it on own risk [12:10] Hiyas all [12:11] o/ === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [12:11] hey yofel [12:39] morning [12:41] 'Morning sgclark [12:42] hiho [12:45] hi soee [13:05] yofel: kwallet-pam is building two new files and I dont know where to put them [13:06] === Start list-missing [13:06] -./etc/xdg/autostart/pam_kwallet_init.desktop [13:06] -./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/pam_kwallet_init [13:06] === End list-missing [13:07] answers on a post card please [13:07] clivejo: cherrypick from neon [13:08] sitter: new package pam-kwallet-init ? [13:08] oui [13:09] sitter: how will debian deal with this? [13:09] are you going to take your lead? [13:09] they [13:18] not the faintest idea [13:18] if you take my lead they will take your lead and everyone is happy [13:18] but will they? [13:18] now that we have moved to LP git? [13:20] any know what kde-cli-tools: package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kcmshell5.so means? [13:27] clivejo: you could tell maxy and then they probably will [13:29] ah right! Im sure he'll listen to me! [13:31] clivejo: you are a perfectly nice chap one might or might not want to listen to, probably. ;) [13:32] sitter: do you have the login data for ~kubuntu-ci-bot ? [13:32] LOL Ive havent even been doing this for a year yet [13:32] yofel: once I request a reset I might [13:32] why would anyone listen to me?!? [13:33] sitter: sgclark was looking at how to grant it commit access for the branches (I don't know what ssh key is used where) [13:34] meh no rush. mergers are still quite broken. not using origin is once again biting us [13:34] why would we not be using origin? [13:34] * yofel is confused [13:34] why cant we use origin? [13:35] surely LP is origin [13:35] yofel: you told me not to. path I mean origin/blah [13:36] sgclark: yes, because the way you had pushed that, the actual checkout path would have been origin/origin/blah [13:36] meh I don't know [13:36] I am so fricken frazzled I don't know how anything works anymore [13:36] the branch itself must not have an origin prefix. The remote name is a local thing though and unrelated to where the remote repository is located [13:37] take a break! [13:37] *must resist urge to paste passwords without checking if in query first* [13:38] I can't. I have to finish this before my internship [13:38] yofel: ye have a password in a query [13:38] thanks [13:38] * yofel reported a bug in Launchpad about Launchpad [13:38] the day is saved [13:38] on a unrelated note, feel free to change the mail address of the account. I don't mind particularly, it's not the most efficient of ways to handle this sorta thing though ^^ [13:42] Gmail is so confusing [13:42] why do they have to reinvent the wheel and make it a square [13:43] because people are tired of round wheels [13:43] at least they work! [13:44] * clivejo kicks kontact and firefox [13:44] intermission time! http://imgur.com/gallery/Orfwjiu [13:44] clivejo: oh to answer your question as to why anyone would listen to you. because you'd be messenger delivering my bidding :P [13:45] you know what happens to messengers! [13:45] clivejo: also, time engaged doesn't mean much. there's people who have done packaging for years and aren't doing a very good job [13:46] sitter: do you know what that lintian error is about? [13:46] lintian being daft is what it is about [13:47] * sgclark isn't doing a very good job [13:47] I disagree @ sgclark [13:47] * yofel messes up all the time [13:48] its a very steep and slippery slope you are climbing and you are doing your best ! [13:48] sgclark: You are way too hard on yourself. You are doing great! [13:48] https://lintian.debian.org/tags/package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger.html looks to me like postinst-must-call-ldconfig was replaced? [13:48] no [13:48] I should sue the kubunt project lead for false promises. The docs said something about eventually becoming sitter after a while [13:48] wait, that's me [13:48] sgclark: it's just a new warning because the other 3 along the same line weren't enough [13:48] haha [13:48] see existing lintian override of that package [13:49] so it is in addition to? [13:49] but is there some way of making lintian happy instead of overriding it? [13:50] yofel: I think they said you can become apachelogger. which you can. for like 20 seconds until nickserv forces a new nick on you :P [13:50] true :D [13:50] sgclark: in addition to yes http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/plasma/kde-cli-tools.git/tree/debian/kde-cli-tools.lintian-overrides?h=Neon/unstable [13:50] sitter: did you work for Canoncial at one point? [13:51] * sgclark wonders how often sitter gets asked that [13:51] kdeinit simply causes false positives becuase kdeinit is a very special thing, and is using silly paths, but that's another matter [13:51] clivejo: I did not [13:51] sitter obviously needs to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical [13:52] LOL === totof-at-home is now known as totof-at-work [13:52] is there a definitely-not-canonical group? [13:53] ok so my adding it to overrides looks to be the right move. good to know I didn't mess one thing up. [13:54] would someone move plasma-discover back to just discover in LP git please? [13:55] or tell me how to do it [13:55] * clivejo is sick of seeing it on his list [13:56] go to the branch page on launchpad (code.l, not git.l), there click on change details and change the name [13:56] is it that easy?!? [13:56] should be [13:57] that's not the hard part anyway, fixing everything else is [13:57] good gracious me, I thought it was going to be a ruby script from the Ruby god him/herself [13:57] well, you CAN use the API if you really want to... [13:58] no no, Im good thanks :) [13:59] * clivejo checks that off his list [13:59] lol [13:59] eakkk [14:00] security updates [14:00] openssl [14:02] http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/plasma/libkscreen.git/commit/?h=Neon/release&id=e64786e3a34efd819a7fde3a7bfdf94cf9a316a9 [14:02] Anyone know why its obsoleted? [14:03] because it's replaced by 7? [14:03] why not just rename the files? [14:04] odd [14:04] it doesn't matter either way [14:04] just different workflows [14:06] okay dokey smokey [14:07] clivejo: yofel The files were renamed, but I think Riddell just did a git rm and git add :P [14:08] or that, true [14:08] I see version info in the symbols [14:08] how could he ^^ [14:17] yofel: so you happy with me linitan overriding "E: kde-cli-tools: package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kcmshell5.so" [14:23] yes [14:24] :) pushed and uploaded [14:25] sitter: is there anyone working on khelpcentre? [14:26] it looks VERY outdated :/ === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Yakkety open, happy hacking | Plasma 5.5.5: X/archive, Plasma 5.6.3 Y/WIP Apps 15.12.3: X/archive, Apps 16.04 Y/WIP, FW 5.18: X/archive , FW 5.21 Y/WIP| https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Yakkety open, happy hacking | Plasma 5.5.5: X/archive, Plasma 5.6.3 Y/WIP -- Apps 15.12.3: X/archive, Apps 16.04 Y/WIP -- FW 5.18: X/archive, FW 5.21 Y/WIP| https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging [14:30] We should just have a status page [14:34] im not sure if we can do it but we could link each version to status pages - would be handy [14:34] clivejo: do you know who packaged digiKam ? [14:34] !info digikam xenial [14:34] digikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.12.0-0ubuntu7 (xenial), package size 4355 kB, installed size 16662 kB [14:35] soee: Ive attempted it in the past [14:35] sitter: any clue what would randomly delete tooling3 and replace it with blue-systems on kci? [14:35] some user on #kubuntu reported that it is missing world map? [14:35] [16:33] soee, as I know, it is because of Kubuntu. Kubuntu is missing a package for the world map for digiKam. [14:36] ^ true [14:36] soee: libkgeomap was not ported at the time we packaged that. not sure if it has a release yet for kf5 [14:36] that [14:36] well [14:36] actually the other way around, marble is qt5, digikam qt4 [14:37] I think my efforts are for not [14:37] something is overwriting my changes on kci [14:37] I did play around with packaging digikam5 [14:37] should be in my PPA somewhere [14:37] and I use it on my own machine [14:38] soee: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial [14:38] beta 3 of digikam5 [14:38] but we cant ship beta no? [14:38] I am missing libkgeomap very much. [14:39] nope [14:39] its only testing [14:39] i see :) [14:39] it is upstream problem, we can't ship beta software and digikam has not released kf5 yet [14:39] but its looking good [14:39] libkgeomap qt4 is no more [14:40] Graf_Westerholt: so as you see we can't do much here [14:40] soee, ok. [14:40] Graf_Westerholt: feel free to test beta 3 [14:41] we could put the beta into yakkety I guess. As long as it works somewhat well people could at least test it [14:41] clivejo, I am using Kubuntu 14.04 on a second PC for the world map, so I have a workaround. [14:41] Graf_Westerholt: ok, no problem :) [14:42] But of course it would be better to have it in the newest Kubuntu. [14:46] once version 5 is officially released Im sure we'll backport it to xenial [14:54] sgclark: mgmt_tooling [14:55] yeah found it [14:55] thanks [14:55] clivejo: kicked to the curb, moving from plasma to applications because it is so badly maintained [14:55] I though tosky took over? [14:55] thought* [14:55] sitter: huh? [14:57] clivejo: khelpcenter [14:57] sgclark: still getting the curb [14:57] ah [14:57] ah [14:57] so no help in kde? lol [14:57] * clivejo hates symbols [14:57] sgclark: have you seen khelp recently? [14:58] its very poor! [14:58] yes it is dreadful [14:58] and it really looks bad on kde [14:58] but fixing it seems like a better idea [14:58] but meh, guess if there is no one to do it, none is better than useless [15:06] * clivejo shouts at libkscreen, just go green !! [15:08] :D [15:51] yofel sgclark: Debian seem to have a new package called plasma-integration - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/plasma-integration.git/ [15:52] looks like plasma-workspace needs it [15:52] kactivities has a new kactvities-workspace too, not sure if this release [15:52] can I copy it into LP? [15:54] <@ovidiuflorin>: hello world [16:13] hi @ovidiuflorin [16:15] yofel sgclark: Ive gone ahead and copied it to LP [16:16] https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-integration [16:16] added it to the package list on KA and uploaded to staging PPA# [16:16] Im gonna be away for a bit as its tea time here [16:17] if you could check it over make sure Ive done it right [16:37] <@ovidiuflorin>: on what channel do I find the Ubuntu sysadmins? [16:37] <@ovidiuflorin>: or canonical sysadmins [16:38] canonical-sysadmins [16:38] canonical-sysadmin [16:38] #canonical-sysadmin [16:38] * sgclark needs more sleep [16:45] thank you === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 [17:11] <@Yofel>: Don't wait for me for the hangout. I'm stuck in traffic === alleehol is now known as allee [17:19] FWIW: in a fresh xenial install I find qt4 based baloo-utils libbaloo*4 and libakondi-{kmime,kde,kabc}4 [17:19] bause there is no qt4 verssion of ballo and akonadiserver it makes no sense to still have them in the archive [17:48] ah and there's kdeconnect the qt4 version replaced by qt5 based kdeconnect-plasma [17:52] is there a core meeting ? [17:56] <@ovidiuflorin>: there should be [17:56] <@ovidiuflorin>: @Sick_Rimmit where are you? [17:56] <@ovidiuflorin>: https://plus.google.com/events/csrm9np0q5jqj5akridn79k7idg?authkey=CMTk26n85IqYEQ [17:57] I'm there [17:58] is it over? [18:00] no [18:01] clivejo: come and join [18:01] how? [18:01] allee: https://kubuntu.org/download-test/ [18:17] https://kubuntu.org/download-test/ [18:59] o/ [19:01] mhall119: ping [19:01] <@Sick_Rimmit>: http://youtu.be/QQcBKzfgZUs [19:01] ovidiuflorin: pong [19:01] <@Sick_Rimmit>: That is link, [19:06] mhall119: the link is updated already [19:06] thank you anyway [19:24] * genii tries to read the spines of the books on oviduflorin's bookshelf [19:26] sorry I did not make the meeting. I crash and burned. Not much sleep lately. [19:26] * clivejo hugs sgclark [19:26] dont go burning yourself out [19:27] I think I am close on mergers. He has some serious magic going on here. Well it looks like magic to this newb [19:27] Who is the 4th person on the podcast who is not listed? [19:28] yofel: still issues on my sru. now they complain my backport is same version as yakkety. I am baffeled on how one would make it less. Help accepted if you have time. [19:29] sgclark: heh, it looks like magic till you stare at it long enough [19:29] And also, read tests :P [19:30] well seeing as I did not know ruby when I started a few days ago I am not doing bad. [19:31] sgclark: ubuntu1.1 as I said, that should work [19:32] sgclark: yeah its a very steep learning curve :) [19:32] You'll be up in no time :) [19:33] yofel: but I got rejected and surely I will now with 2. I am so confused. I think I broke my brain. [19:33] so 2.1? [19:33] Just remember , everything is a object :P [19:33] Holy recursing video, Batman [19:34] sgclark: huh, you got rejected with 1.1? [19:34] I thought you got rejected with 1? [19:34] oh [19:34] but I will with 1.1 now cuz 2 is there no? [19:34] but originally no it was 1 correct [19:35] 2 is in yakkety, not in xenial [19:35] ah, it's in unapproved. You uploads won't get rejected unless it's in xenial-proposed [19:35] !info muon yakkety [19:35] muon (source: muon): package manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.6.0-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 337 kB, installed size 2018 kB [19:35] *your [19:35] ok so if I run again with 1.1 all will be well with the world? [19:35] Hm [19:36] yes, the release team will just reject 2 and accept 1.1 [19:36] * sgclark tries [19:36] ok thanks [19:39] o/ acheron88 [19:39] Yes, it is shifting the colour a bit [19:46] telegram: Might be nice to clarify what exactly neon is [19:58] !info libkf5screen-bin [19:58] libkf5screen-bin (source: libkscreen): library for screen management - helpers. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 17 kB, installed size 65 kB [20:11] So we get to find out now if she gets stickers? ;) [20:12] Haha, nice! [20:14] hi guys [20:14] hiho [20:15] hi soee [20:15] have you tried/tested FW? [20:16] clivejo: only on Xenial [20:16] and? [20:17] well works fine except this one icons package [20:17] the breeze thing? [20:17] and activities manager is not working - probably due to old Plasma 5.5.5 [20:17] oxygen5-icon-theme [20:18] yeah, Im having problems with that [20:18] but Philip said we should get rid of it some day i think [20:19] Breeze have now thousands of icons so i'm not sure why this fallback theme is still provided [20:22] it is still used, and oxygen5-icon-theme is the correct package [20:22] oxygen-icon-theme has to go [20:23] oh right, nobody probably uploaded the fixed package [20:23] !info libkf5screen-bin [20:23] libkf5screen-bin (source: libkscreen): library for screen management - helpers. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 17 kB, installed size 65 kB [20:24] it is still used, and oxygen5-icon-theme is the correct package [20:26] guys how can i send a message to podcast? [20:26] is there a channel on irc? [20:26] jimarvan: join #kubuntu-podcast [20:26] #kubuntu-podcast [20:26] <@Sick_Rimmit>: join #kubuntu-podcast [20:26] thanks! [20:29] yofel: have you time to help me with something? [20:39] clivejo: depends on what it is? [20:41] https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/libkscreen/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive [20:41] libkf5screen-bin.install and libkf5screen7.install [20:42] should usr/lib/*/qt5/plugins/kf5/kscreen/ be in libkf5screen7.install [20:43] Neon seems to have done away with libkf5screen-bin.install and put it all in libkf5screen7.install [20:43] but Debian seem to be keeping libkf5screen-bin [20:43] I would say no - theoretically yes, but only with a version namespace [20:45] I dont understand that answer! [20:46] no but yes! [20:46] the problem with having it in libkf5screen7, is that it makes different soversion not co-installable - which is kind of the point of the whole versioning [20:47] in practice, that's already the case though with -bin, as the lib needs the exact matching -bin package [20:47] where would you put it? [20:47] so either way is ~ok, -bin just looks better [20:47] my instinct is telling me to put it in -bin [20:49] its a plugin rather than a library, no? [20:49] right [20:51] Neon have done away with -bin and bunched all the files into libkf5screen7 [20:51] http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/plasma/libkscreen.git/tree/debian/libkf5screen7.install?h=Neon/release [20:51] does that make sense to you? [20:52] yes, it makes it easier to CI really, as you have less packages to maintain [20:52] should I follow Neon and do away with -bin ? [20:52] yofel: looks like I have to do some re-write with ci, last chance, do we want to break namespaces down further? aka similiar to debian? [20:52] sgclark: why would we? [20:53] I don't know. just saying last chance. [20:53] clivejo: either way is fine, I really don't care myself. [20:53] if you want my opinion -> debian [20:53] sgclark: then lets leave it like this [20:54] ok [20:54] yofel: ok, Ill leave it like debian with a -bin package and leave usr/lib/*/qt5/plugins/kf5/kscreen/ in the main libkf5kscreen7.install [20:55] since debian have it like that# [21:09] can dput sometimes not work? [21:10] ie locally it says it has, but LP doesnt ack it? [21:16] soee: why arent you on yakkety? [21:17] one case where that would happen is when you signed the package with a GPG key that LP doesn't know about [21:17] <@marcinsagol>: I think Bluskaj jumped to YY and I want to test backports before upgrading to YY [21:20] <@marcinsagol>: I have to check if graphics drivers ppa has already builds for YY [21:21] <@marcinsagol>: Oh it das .. wee :) [21:25] nope, it knows about my key [21:25] just very occasionally it fails to ack the upload [21:30] sgclark ping [21:30] ahoneybun: pong [21:30] sgclark can you see everyone who backs your patreon thing? [21:31] I get emails. [21:31] of course than requires me to check my email [21:31] mm [21:31] * sgclark is drowning in ruby [21:31] eakk LP must be busy [21:31] 40min wait [21:32] https://twitter.com/ATHoneycutt/status/727955318467006464 [21:32] aww so sweet thank you ahoneybun [21:32] get the hashtag going :) [21:34] tweeted [21:35] also just reported a security vuln on imagemagick [21:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/1578398 but you won't be able to read it [21:35] Error: launchpad bug 1578398 not found [21:35] seeekrit [21:36] although https://imagetragick.com is public [21:36] the one that was all over the news today? ^^ [21:36] we dont package that do we? [21:36] NOPE [21:36] we do I think [21:36] ? [21:36] used to [21:36] oops, sry [21:36] I like yofels answer better [21:36] thanks valorie [21:37] well, it's in the archive; I didn't file against kubuntu [21:37] just in general [21:38] yofel: I heard about it in #linuxchix, but I don't think that qualifies as "all over the news" [21:39] it was on 2 german IT news websites at least [21:40] good [21:40] might get fixed fast then [21:42] someone of you is on YY? [21:49] I'm thinking about putting it on this one, if I buy my son's "old" laptop [21:50] otoh, not sure i can get xenial on it, since scarlett didn't succeed in doing so at LFNW [21:54] the do-release-upgrade -d does not show new version [21:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U%2B1/common-problems [23:57] sgclark: ping [23:57] clivejo: pong [23:58] hey [23:59] Errors were encountered while processing: [23:59] /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-framework-dev_5.21.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_amd64.deb [23:59] Looks to be symbols related