| tsimonq2 | wxl: when you have the chance, could you pleae mark this bug as either high or critical? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/1574278 | 11:38 |
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| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1574278 in abiword (Ubuntu) "AbiWord starts to flicker after adding some text" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:38 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: *please :) | 11:38 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I am legitimately concerned that that bug could produce seizures | 11:47 |
| phillw | tsimonq2: just had someone on Fb asking about that issue! | 12:13 |
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| wxl | tsimonq2: while i share that concern, i'm not sure i feel that necessarily justifies elevating its status. | 17:53 |
| krytarik | wxl: Btw, in context of the question in #l, the DNS entry for 'www.lubuntu.me' is wrong, resulting in a 409 (conflict) error currently. | 18:41 |
| wxl | krytarik: thanks for noticing that | 18:43 |
| phillw | krytarik: confirmed, apache entry is correct. | 19:22 |
| phillw | Rafael is at evening meal, I've pinged him | 19:23 |
| krytarik | Nice, thanks. | 19:24 |
| phillw | yeah, it's still pointing to the old server address. I'll have Rafael update the DNS record. | 19:26 |
| phillw | hmmm no it's not.... | 19:30 |
| JoernS | hi | 19:34 |
| phillw | krytarik: new A record has been added, just need to wait for propagation | 19:44 |
| phillw | hiyas JoernS | 19:44 |
| agaida | hi JoernS | 19:46 |
| phillw | hiyas agaida | 19:48 |
| agaida | hi phillw | 19:48 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I see, but try installing AbiWord yourself. It makes it very unusable. But, your choice. :) | 20:04 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: i don't use it :) | 20:04 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: well just because you don't use it doesn't mean that you can't sudo apt install abiword just to confirm a bug :P | 20:05 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: oh i can confirm it, but that's not what you asked | 20:05 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: what do you think I asked? :) | 20:06 |
| wxl | 0438 < tsimonq2:#lubuntu-devel> wxl: when you have the chance, could you pleae mark this bug as either high or critical? | 20:07 |
| wxl | that IS what you asked, not what i think you asked :) | 20:07 |
| ianorlin | I think my mom can reproduce that | 20:10 |
| tsimonq2 | ^ more motive to see it through XD | 20:10 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: so I guess I'm asking you to give me your honest assessment of this bug | 20:15 |
| tsimonq2 | sorry if I was unclear :) | 20:15 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: it's annoying to people that use it but i find myself hardpressed to call it high | 20:15 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: but it makes it pretty unusable, not crashing unusable, but to the point of when I need to use it, I physically turn off my monitor because it hurts my eyes | 20:16 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: understood | 20:16 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: so do what you wish, just please do something :) | 20:17 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: not being in front of lubuntu readily right now i can't do much. has no one confirmed it already? | 20:19 |
| * teward raises an eyebrow | 20:20 | |
| teward | should I be concerned about the argument of bugs? | 20:20 |
| wxl | no | 20:20 |
| wxl | unless you want to be | 20:20 |
| tsimonq2 | ^ | 20:20 |
| teward | i've got nothing better to do today :P | 20:20 |
| wxl | the original suggestion was to call the bug high because abiword blinks like crazy and can potentially cause seizures XD | 20:21 |
| phillw | tsimonq2: I've asked for guidence on #ubuntu-accessibillity | 20:21 |
| tsimonq2 | phillw: that's a thing? | 20:21 |
| phillw | tsimonq2: it most certainly is! | 20:21 |
| tsimonq2 | huh | 20:21 |
| tsimonq2 | never knew, it's not on the channel lists | 20:21 |
| phillw | odd that it's not listed | 20:22 |
| wxl | i personally would approach #ubuntu-bugs and ask them for advice on triaging as it relates to accessibility | 20:22 |
| teward | I don't think this is a High bug... not according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance anyways. | 20:22 |
| wxl | ^^ what he said | 20:22 |
| teward | though, not sure if Abiword is considered "core"... *rechecks definitions* | 20:22 |
| tsimonq2 | but IMHO it makes it unusable | 20:22 |
| * teward spins up a Xenial system to test | 20:23 | |
| tsimonq2 | teward: well it's default in Lubuntu if it makes any difference | 20:23 |
| wxl | there is this: Has a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users (estimated) | 20:23 |
| tsimonq2 | ^ | 20:23 |
| tsimonq2 | I think it covers that | 20:23 |
| wxl | it does NOT make the whole installation unusable though so that's out | 20:23 |
| teward | we don't define 'severe' anywhere, and I usually refer to the other criterion as supporting | 20:23 |
| teward | just saying | 20:23 |
| wxl | this is highly questionable Has a moderate impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users (estimated) | 20:23 |
| teward | "Impacts accessibility of a core application" <-- this would be the only reason it would apply | 20:24 |
| teward | and I have to check this | 20:24 |
| tsimonq2 | teward: let me know what you think :) | 20:24 |
| teward | we defined core vs. non-core a while ago | 20:24 |
| wxl | on the other hand | 20:24 |
| wxl | this is medium: A bug which impacts accessibility of a non-core application | 20:24 |
| tsimonq2 | might be that then | 20:24 |
| wxl | this as well: A bug that has a severe impact on a non-core application. | 20:24 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm off for a few hours, wxl, teward, please let me know what you decide :) | 20:25 |
| wxl | A core package can be identified as being part of a task in the apt-cache headers. You can see the apt-cache headers by running apt-cache show [package] in a terminal, and looking at the "Task: " field in the output. | 20:25 |
| wxl | ^^^ | 20:25 |
| teward | wxl: the item does have a "Task:" field | 20:25 |
| wxl | right right | 20:25 |
| wxl | that's what i was getting at | 20:25 |
| teward | teward@ubuntu-xenial:~$ apt-cache show abiword | grep -i "Task:" | 20:25 |
| teward | Task: lubuntu-desktop | 20:25 |
| wxl | it's ABSOLUTELY not critical | 20:26 |
| teward | but, as the package is in Universe, it would be a community-fix | 20:26 |
| teward | wxl: perhaps core/non-core should be redefined then | 20:26 |
| wxl | but i think some argument could be made at it being high | 20:26 |
| wxl | though my feelings about the likelihood of it getting fixed is not great | 20:26 |
| teward | wxl: I think a better case can be made for 'Medium' | 20:26 |
| phillw | one more for Julien, in that case... as it appears to be abandonware. | 20:26 |
| * wxl hates abiword | 20:26 | |
| teward | because the package being in Universe means it's 'community supported' | 20:26 |
| wxl | let me rephrase | 20:26 |
| teward | so that technically could mean 'not core' | 20:26 |
| wxl | i like abiword, i just don't trust it with a ten foot pole | 20:26 |
| wxl | ahh good point teward | 20:26 |
| teward | I'm setting Medium in the interim | 20:26 |
| teward | and i'll write up my reasoning there | 20:27 |
| wxl | tl;dr tsimonq2 you might want to bring this up to the ubuntu bug list, because the definition of core is a little iffy in this case | 20:27 |
| wxl | now back to wiping my deferred queue | 20:27 |
| tsimonq2 | k | 20:28 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I'll do it later | 20:28 |
| * tsimonq2 leaves in 5 mins not now :P | 20:28 | |
| krytarik | phillw: Propagated down to here now, btw. | 22:22 |
| agaida | ianorlyn: Please don't cry about minor problems in the list - there will be solutions soon | 22:39 |
| agaida | https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lxqt/juffed.git/ | 22:39 |
| agaida | https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lxqt/trojita.git/ | 22:39 |
| agaida | and regarding juffed you missed several important problems - juffed agonie was ubuntu home-grown and its a hard fight to take over a package that is abandoned by a former ubuntu maintainer, trojita will be uploaded soon - i don't know exactly which version, but it will work. But there is still some work to do, the copyrights need a lot of love and are a fucking pain in the ass | 22:39 |
| agaida | ah - and the current juffed version really fits for nothing (trashcan would fit - because of Qt4) | 22:40 |
| agaida | but please - its enough time to get LXQt release ready for Lubuntu - and there are a lot of points where one could help | 22:43 |
| agaida | first of all - please use it and become familar with it - provide bugreports, suggestions, wishes, maybe patches and code | 22:44 |
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