[11:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: when you have the chance, could you pleae mark this bug as either high or critical? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/1574278
[11:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: *please :)
[11:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: I am legitimately concerned that that bug could produce seizures
[12:13] <phillw> tsimonq2: just had someone on Fb asking about that issue!
[17:53] <wxl> tsimonq2: while i share that concern, i'm not sure i feel that necessarily justifies elevating its status.
[18:41] <krytarik> wxl: Btw, in context of the question in #l, the DNS entry for 'www.lubuntu.me' is wrong, resulting in a 409 (conflict) error currently.
[18:43] <wxl> krytarik: thanks for noticing that
[19:22] <phillw> krytarik: confirmed, apache entry is correct.
[19:23] <phillw> Rafael is at evening meal, I've pinged him
[19:24] <krytarik> Nice, thanks.
[19:26] <phillw> yeah, it's still pointing to the old server address. I'll have Rafael update the DNS record.
[19:30] <phillw> hmmm no it's not....
[19:34] <JoernS> hi
[19:44] <phillw> krytarik: new A record has been added, just need to wait for propagation
[19:44] <phillw> hiyas JoernS
[19:46] <agaida> hi JoernS
[19:48] <phillw> hiyas agaida
[19:48] <agaida> hi phillw
[20:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: I see, but try installing AbiWord yourself. It makes it very unusable. But, your choice. :)
[20:04] <wxl> tsimonq2: i don't use it :)
[20:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: well just because you don't use it doesn't mean that you can't sudo apt install abiword just to confirm a bug :P
[20:05] <wxl> tsimonq2: oh i can confirm it, but that's not what you asked
[20:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: what do you think I asked? :)
[20:07] <wxl> 0438 < tsimonq2:#lubuntu-devel> wxl: when you have the chance, could you pleae mark this bug as either high or critical?
[20:07] <wxl> that IS what you asked, not what i think you asked :)
[20:10] <ianorlin> I think my mom can reproduce that
[20:10] <tsimonq2> ^ more motive to see it through XD
[20:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: so I guess I'm asking you to give me your honest assessment of this bug
[20:15] <tsimonq2> sorry if I was unclear :)
[20:15] <wxl> tsimonq2: it's annoying to people that use it but i find myself hardpressed to call it high
[20:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: but it makes it pretty unusable, not crashing unusable, but to the point of when I need to use it, I physically turn off my monitor because it hurts my eyes
[20:16] <wxl> tsimonq2: understood
[20:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: so do what you wish, just please do something :)
[20:19] <wxl> tsimonq2: not being in front of lubuntu readily right now i can't do much. has no one confirmed it already?
[20:20]  * teward raises an eyebrow
[20:20] <teward> should I be concerned about the argument of bugs?
[20:20] <wxl> no
[20:20] <wxl> unless you want to be
[20:20] <tsimonq2> ^
[20:20] <teward> i've got nothing better to do today :P
[20:21] <wxl> the original suggestion was to call the bug high because abiword blinks like crazy and can potentially cause seizures XD
[20:21] <phillw> tsimonq2: I've asked for guidence on #ubuntu-accessibillity
[20:21] <tsimonq2> phillw: that's a thing?
[20:21] <phillw> tsimonq2: it most certainly is!
[20:21] <tsimonq2> huh
[20:21] <tsimonq2> never knew, it's not on the channel lists
[20:22] <phillw> odd that it's not listed
[20:22] <wxl> i personally would approach #ubuntu-bugs and ask them for advice on triaging as it relates to accessibility
[20:22] <teward> I don't think this is a High bug... not according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance anyways.
[20:22] <wxl> ^^ what he said
[20:22] <teward> though, not sure if Abiword is considered "core"... *rechecks definitions*
[20:22] <tsimonq2> but IMHO it makes it unusable
[20:23]  * teward spins up a Xenial system to test
[20:23] <tsimonq2> teward: well it's default in Lubuntu if it makes any difference
[20:23] <wxl> there is this: Has a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users (estimated)
[20:23] <tsimonq2> ^
[20:23] <tsimonq2> I think it covers that
[20:23] <wxl> it does NOT make the whole installation unusable though so that's out
[20:23] <teward> we don't define 'severe' anywhere, and I usually refer to the other criterion as supporting
[20:23] <teward> just saying
[20:23] <wxl> this is highly questionable Has a moderate impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users (estimated)
[20:24] <teward> "Impacts accessibility of a core application" <-- this would be the only reason it would apply
[20:24] <teward> and I have to check this
[20:24] <tsimonq2> teward: let me know what you think :)
[20:24] <teward> we defined core vs. non-core a while ago
[20:24] <wxl> on the other hand
[20:24] <wxl> this is medium: A bug which impacts accessibility of a non-core application
[20:24] <tsimonq2> might be that then
[20:24] <wxl> this as well: A bug that has a severe impact on a non-core application.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> I'm off for a few hours, wxl, teward, please let me know what you decide :)
[20:25] <wxl> A core package can be identified as being part of a task in the apt-cache headers. You can see the apt-cache headers by running apt-cache show [package] in a terminal, and looking at the "Task: " field in the output.
[20:25] <wxl> ^^^
[20:25] <teward> wxl: the item does have a "Task:" field
[20:25] <wxl> right right
[20:25] <wxl> that's what i was getting at
[20:25] <teward> teward@ubuntu-xenial:~$ apt-cache show abiword | grep -i "Task:"
[20:25] <teward> Task: lubuntu-desktop
[20:26] <wxl> it's ABSOLUTELY not critical
[20:26] <teward> but, as the package is in Universe, it would be a community-fix
[20:26] <teward> wxl: perhaps core/non-core should be redefined then
[20:26] <wxl> but i think some argument could be made at it being high
[20:26] <wxl> though my feelings about the likelihood of it getting fixed is not great
[20:26] <teward> wxl: I think a better case can be made for 'Medium'
[20:26] <phillw> one more for Julien, in that case... as it appears to be abandonware.
[20:26]  * wxl hates abiword
[20:26] <teward> because the package being in Universe means it's 'community supported'
[20:26] <wxl> let me rephrase
[20:26] <teward> so that technically could mean 'not core'
[20:26] <wxl> i like abiword, i just don't trust it with a ten foot pole
[20:26] <wxl> ahh good point teward
[20:26] <teward> I'm setting Medium in the interim
[20:27] <teward> and i'll write up my reasoning there
[20:27] <wxl> tl;dr tsimonq2 you might want to bring this up to the ubuntu bug list, because the definition of core is a little iffy in this case
[20:27] <wxl> now back to wiping my deferred queue
[20:28] <tsimonq2> k
[20:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll do it later
[20:28]  * tsimonq2 leaves in 5 mins not now :P
[22:22] <krytarik> phillw: Propagated down to here now, btw.
[22:39] <agaida> ianorlyn: Please don't cry about minor problems in the list - there will be solutions soon
[22:39] <agaida> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lxqt/juffed.git/
[22:39] <agaida> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lxqt/trojita.git/
[22:39] <agaida> and regarding juffed you missed several important problems - juffed agonie was ubuntu home-grown and its a hard fight to take over a package that is abandoned by a former ubuntu maintainer, trojita will be uploaded soon - i don't know exactly which version, but it will work. But there is still some work to do, the copyrights need a lot of love and are a fucking pain in the ass
[22:40] <agaida> ah - and the current juffed version really fits for nothing (trashcan would fit - because of Qt4)
[22:43] <agaida> but please - its enough time to get LXQt release ready for Lubuntu - and there are a lot of points where one could help
[22:44] <agaida> first of all - please use it and become familar with it - provide bugreports, suggestions, wishes, maybe patches and code