[00:26] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Hi, hope your second leg of your trip home was uneventful.
[00:26] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, sure was. Did you have to wait long for assistance?
[00:32] <TheMuso> No, made it in plenty of time to the gate.
[06:53] <desrt> good morning, peeps
[06:54] <duflu> Morgen desrt
[06:55] <RAOF> Hey desrt!
[06:56] <desrt> hello mir people
[07:03] <RAOF> Looks like there may be a Canadian sprint!
[07:06] <desrt> the one in vancouver next week?
[07:07] <duflu> Another/more Canadian sprints
[07:07] <desrt> cool
[07:09] <RAOF> It's possible that you'll be invited!
[07:11] <RAOF> Hm, that sounds weird.
[07:12] <RAOF> But, obviously, given that it's almost certainly in the week of the 6th of June we haven't actually organised it yet.
[08:01] <willcooke> morning all
[08:02] <davmor2> Morning willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> hello!
[08:05] <willcooke> hi Laney
[08:05] <Laney> zup
[08:05] <Laney> I licked a slug last night
[08:06] <willcooke> same
[08:06] <willcooke> why did you do that?
[08:06] <Laney> it looked like a piece of leek out of the corner of my eye :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[08:06] <willcooke> was this on your allotment?
[08:06] <Laney> then I was like "that was kind of dark"
[08:06] <Laney> removed it
[08:07] <Laney> and lo a slug it was
[08:07] <willcooke> what did is taste of?
[08:07] <Laney> nein, in the pub
[08:07] <Laney> hmmm you know I don't actually remember
[08:07] <Laney> washed it away with a nice pint of mild (H)
[08:08] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:08] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:08] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:08] <Laney> hi seb128
[08:08] <willcooke> Laney, very wise move
[08:09] <Laney> it survived this ordeal and we put it outside
[08:09] <Laney> needless to say this was disruptive to the ongoing pub quiz
[08:10] <Laney> seb128: how's it going?
[08:11] <seb128> good! though a bit tired this morning, but it shapes to be a nice sunny day!
[08:11] <Laney> looking good here
[08:12] <seb128> tomorrow is a national holiday
[08:12] <seb128> shame that we got UOSed :-/
[08:12] <seb128> oh well, it should still be nice for the w.e
[08:12] <Laney> swap it to monday?
[08:13] <seb128> yeah, I'm pondering doing that
[08:13] <seb128> or friday afternoon
[08:13] <seb128> going to play some tennis ;-)
[08:13] <Laney> heh
[08:13] <Laney> what a great sport!
[08:13] <seb128> :-)
[08:13] <seb128> how was climbing?
[08:15] <Laney> getting back into it
[08:15] <Laney> they seem to have decided to make everything a bit harder
[08:15] <Laney> so need to improve again ;-)
[08:16]  * Laney meows at pitti 
[08:16] <Laney> stable-phone-overlay is destroying autopkgtest
[08:16] <seb128> I hope he's sleeping :-)
[08:17] <Laney> the pitti never sleeps
[08:17] <seb128> it's 3am in austin
[08:17] <seb128> right
[08:17] <Laney> sil2100: don't suppose you have anything to upload to the overlay for y?
[08:17] <Laney> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu yakkety Release' does not have a Release file.
[08:17] <seb128> what is the overlay is creating the issue?
[08:17] <Laney> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[08:19] <sil2100> Laney: eh, hm, I guess there's one thing I could quickly upload there
[08:19] <sil2100> A workaround we use for images to work
[08:20] <sil2100> Give me a moment
[08:20] <Laney> thanks!
[08:25] <andyrock> morning
[08:25] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[08:25] <seb128> hey andyrock! how are you?
[08:26] <andyrock> seb128: begging for a coffee
[08:26] <andyrock> :D
[08:42] <seb128> andyrock, I just got one :-)
[09:04] <sil2100> Laney: ok, there should be something in the overlay now for yakkety
[09:06] <Laney> sil2100: thanks, lets see if this fixes things
[09:16] <tseliot> seb128: I've just approved these two merge requests, however I'm not familiar with CI, and I'm not sure what to do next: https://code.launchpad.net/~hui.wang/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon-1404-fix-touchscreen-reconnect/+merge/293700 https://code.launchpad.net/~hui.wang/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon-master-touchscreen-fix/+merge/293704
[09:23] <willcooke> xnox, Laney - tax returns.  If you want to claim for working from home @ £4 a week and you complete an online tax return that information should be added to:
[09:23] <willcooke> section 4 "Do you wish to claim any employement expenses or capital allowances...."
[09:23] <willcooke> cking, might be relevent to your interests ^
[09:25] <Laney> nice info
[09:25]  * willcooke spent 30 mins on hold to HMRC so that you don't have to
[09:25] <Laney> I don't do one
[09:25]  * willcooke <- hero 
[09:25] <willcooke> ah, no kids, right
[09:25] <willcooke> yet
[09:25] <Laney> kids -> tax return????
[09:26]  * Laney goes to chop it off
[09:26] <willcooke> child benefit = tax return
[09:26] <seb128> tseliot, those need to land through CI, but that patch looks hackish ... does the issue exists upstream in g-s-d as well? did anyone try to suggest the change to them?
[09:26] <willcooke> regardless of whether you claim it, or are entitled to it
[09:26] <Laney> oh this thing about them paying it then taking it back
[09:26] <tjaalton> seb128: there is no g-s-d anymore
[09:27] <tseliot> seb128: I think hardware design is hackish. And we have diverged too much from upstream anyway
[09:27] <willcooke> Laney, you might try filling this form in then, it's worth a couple of hundred quid... https://public-online.hmrc.gov.uk/lc/content/xfaforms/profiles/forms.html?contentRoot=repository:///Applications/PersonalTax_iForms/1.0/P87&template=P87_en_1.2.3.xdp
[09:27] <seb128> tjaalton, ?
[09:27] <tjaalton> isn't it merged to mutter now
[09:27] <tjaalton> config handling
[09:27] <tjaalton> or such
[09:27] <tjaalton> that's why backporting libinput support was "hard"
[09:28] <seb128> some parts were moved yes
[09:28] <seb128> but g-s-d still exists
[09:28] <seb128> the xrandr code might have moved yes
[09:28] <Laney> willcooke: roger
[09:28] <Laney> willcooke: didn't get P60 yet though
[09:29] <seb128> tjaalton, but I expect that " the LG touchscreen will be temporarily disconnected from USB host" is something that need to handled in other codebases as well and I'm curious what solution they are taking for that
[09:29] <tjaalton> ok
[09:29] <willcooke> Laney, ah, wheeze of the week then:  nor did I, nor have I had pay slips recently. So I logged on to that online system they mentioned (despite saying we'd still get paper records......) and lo and behold there it was
[09:29] <seb128> well, if somebody wants to land those, feel free
[09:29] <seb128> it's just hackish and I'm not putting my name to ack
[09:29] <seb128> but I'm not going to block others
[09:29] <tseliot> seb128: I'm not sure upstream handles corner cases..
[09:30] <Laney> willcooke: heh, I'm avoiding doing that in case it turns off paper ones forever
[09:30] <seb128> well, they are probably wanting to solve those as well
[09:30] <seb128> and having input of people who write the code is always nice
[09:30] <seb128> they might have a better way to suggest
[09:30] <seb128> but as said if somebody wants to land the hack and if it fixes an oem issue go for it
[09:30] <seb128> still would be nice to fix the proper way
[09:31] <tseliot> seb128: also, to be honest, there is a lot of touch screen handling code that we are missing. That would be a much bigger issue for us
[09:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, did firefox switch to gtk3 in the 46 update?
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it did
[09:31] <seb128> that explains things :p
[09:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, but the binary still depends on gtk2?
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128, the package does, as it's required for flash
[09:32] <tseliot> Laney: can you help please?
[09:34] <om26er> Hi! who maintains openjdk in Ubuntu ?
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, k
[09:34] <seb128> om26er, doko
[09:35] <tjaalton> seb128: what will unity8 use for session configuration?
[09:35] <seb128> tjaalton, ubuntu-system-settings
[09:35] <seb128> the GUI is ^
[09:35] <tjaalton> ok
[09:35] <seb128> I don't think there is any u-s-d like service
[09:35] <seb128> indicators or unity8/mir itself is handling configs
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, om26er, I think that's actually tdaitx (openjdk), but he won't be around for a few more hours
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, was there a particular issue with firefox?
[09:37] <seb128> oh ok
[09:37] <om26er> chrisccoulson, seb128 thanks
[09:37] <cking> willcooke, thanks, I claim that one ;-)
[09:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no, widgets look big (combo, buttons) and different, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1577879
[09:38] <willcooke> cking, did you ever try claiming for a laptop?
[09:38] <seb128> which looked like it's using the gtksidebar gtk3 widget
[09:38] <cking> willcooke, no
[09:38] <willcooke> me neither, probably not worth it
[09:39] <cking> willcooke, it's hard to tell, the tax system makes my mind melt a bit
[09:39] <willcooke> :) ditto
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, this update has certainly had a few issues (eg, http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2936-2/) ;)
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> My laptop CPU ran nice and cool when I first got it, but it's now hovering around 95°C. I wonder if it's going to top 100°C by the end of the day?
[10:51] <Sweet5hark> woha.
[10:52] <Sweet5hark> the german ministry of education and science just promised to throw 1.2 million EUR at open source projects.
[10:52] <Sweet5hark> application needs just one din A4 page of project description ...
[10:53] <ogra_> heh, it only defines the papersize ?
[10:53] <ogra_> :)
[10:57] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: media should be readable without the need for quantum mechanic measurement devices.
[10:57] <ogra_> haha
[10:58] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: just an electron microscope then :)
[11:04] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, better clean the fan
[11:06] <ricotz> seb128, hi, is there already a timeline to land gtk+ 3.20.x in yakkety?
[11:09] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, time to go helicopter shopping?
[11:09] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: a helicopter is clearly needed!
[11:10] <willcooke> I concur
[11:18] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, uh oh https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tag/?id=libreoffice-5.1.3.2
[11:29] <seb128> ricotz, not sure we are going to get 3.20 this cycle, see bug #1576576
[11:38] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, I am aware, are there blockers in the ubuntu-stack besides firefox?
[11:38] <seb128> ricotz, yeah, see the bug report, mostly the themes
[11:38] <seb128> xfce, unity ones
[11:39] <ricotz> seb128, although there are patches for firefox 46+ which hard-dep on gtk+ 3.20
[11:40] <ricotz> a patch like arch or fedora is shipping already
[11:41]  * Laney is building 3.20 now to check what happens
[11:42] <seb128> Laney, ricotz, ochosi commented on IRC/the bug saying that themes basically need a full rewrite :-(
[11:42] <ricotz> seb128, that is basically correct
[11:43] <seb128> :-/
[11:43] <ricotz> at least heavily adjusted to meet the new selector names
[11:43] <seb128> we need to find somebody wanting to take up on that job
[11:43] <Laney> we'll see
[11:43] <ricotz> *cough* switch to Adwaita *cough* ;P
[11:44] <seb128> sssuuuure
[11:46] <ochosi> basically the workflow would be this (for someone who would take up the theme):
[11:46] <ochosi> take adwaita and modify it based on the current light-themes css until you're "there"
[11:46] <Laney> upgrade, scream, run
[11:46] <ochosi> haha
[11:46] <ochosi> yeah, that too ;)
[11:47] <ochosi> ideally i would like to have this: just maintain a delta on top of adwaita
[11:47] <ochosi> something that just overrides some things in adwaita but doesn't mean i have to maintain a complete theme
[11:47] <ochosi> (not sure whether anyone has tried that so far, but i think not)
[11:47] <Laney> maybe one day they'll finish implementing css and then themes won't break any more
[11:48] <Laney> :) :)
[11:48] <ochosi> haha, you're funny!
[11:48]  * Laney cries
[11:48]  * Laney is downloading an iso to not mess up the real system
[11:48] <Laney> *.u.c seems slow
[11:49]  * Laney is getting like 200k/s
[11:49] <Laney> ah there's some outage going on
[11:49]  * Laney retracts whining
[11:54] <ochosi> so there's no planned replacement for larsu?
[11:54]  * larsu feels spoken about
[11:54] <Laney> ochosi: you want a job? :P
[11:55] <Laney> hey larsu!
[11:55] <larsu> hi Laney! What's up?
[11:55] <larsu> hi ochosi :)
[11:56] <ochosi> Laney: tbh when i met larsu @fosdem and he told me he was leaving i considered applying ;) then again i wasn't sure what the requirements were
[11:56]  * Laney is out in the sun
[11:56] <Laney> ochosi: hehe, well the job advert is not posted yet - look out for it once it is :)
[11:56] <Laney> pretty sure "is willing to weep over gtk css" would be a positive
[11:57] <ochosi> harhar
[11:57]  * ochosi can do that any time of day
[11:59] <Laney> larsu: getting back into it after many sprints then 2 days off
[11:59] <Laney> how are you?
[12:00] <davmor2> willcooke: so there seems to be increasing confusion with ubuntu-software triggering the update notifications, as it doesn't list things like ssl so update-manager shows it and ubuntu-software doesn't but ubuntu-software is the thing triggering notifications :(
[12:00] <flocculant> ochosi: and do regularly ...
[12:02] <larsu> Laney: ooh nice. I'm great, thanks!
[12:02] <larsu> and very much into it. Could use a hackfest :)
[12:02]  * larsu actually booked flights for one this morning
[12:02] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, trying my best here ;)
[12:02] <Laney> larsu: toronto?
[12:02] <larsu> ya
[12:02] <larsu> are you coming?
[12:02] <Laney> nice
[12:02] <Laney> nah
[12:03] <Laney> not super relavant to me
[12:03] <seb128> hey larsu! wie gehts?
[12:03] <larsu> hi seb128!!
[12:03] <larsu> bien, merci
[12:03] <larsu> et toi?
[12:03] <larsu> I
[12:03] <seb128> très bien, merci :-)
[12:04] <larsu> some people in this channel are seemingly trying to replace me
[12:04] <larsu> can you imagine!
[12:04]  * ochosi hides
[12:04] <larsu> hehe
[12:04] <seb128> yeah, keywoard "trying"
[12:04] <seb128> keyword
[12:04] <seb128> ;-)
[12:04] <Laney> you could always apply for the opening :P
[12:05]  * larsu doesn't think he can replace himself
[12:05] <larsu> ELOGIC
[12:06] <Laney> maybe a small black hole will form
[12:06] <larsu> wouldn't want to do this to you guys
[12:06] <larsu> I hear those can be dangerous
[12:06] <Laney> chuck all the stuff we don't want in there
[12:07] <Laney> (whoops, sorry unity8!)
[12:07]  * Laney the troll
[12:07] <larsu> :D
[12:07] <larsu> it's Friday!
[12:07] <larsu> wait. seb128, is it Friday?
[12:07] <seb128> larsu, not quite!
[12:08] <seb128> though tomorrow is a day off in some countries
[12:08] <seb128> and the day before days off is friday
[12:08] <larsu> it is here, and I took Friday off as wel
[12:08] <larsu> so it kind of feels like Friday
[12:08] <seb128> indeed!
[12:08] <larsu> right. I knew you'd come to the right conclusion
[12:08]  * larsu always counts on seb128
[12:09] <seb128> :-)
[12:20] <chrisccoulson> larsu, you left?
[12:20] <larsu> chrisccoulson: yes
[12:20] <chrisccoulson> oh :(
[12:20] <larsu> in February :)
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> larsu, what are you up to now?
[12:22] <larsu> chrisccoulson: working at redhat on cockpit-project.org
[12:22] <larsu> but right now, I'm up to lunch :)
[12:22]  * larsu will be back latet
[12:22] <chrisccoulson> larsu, ah, that looks fun :)
[12:22] <larsu> it is, thanks!
[13:44] <xnox> Laney, willcooke, tah! filed one via "personal tax account" already at https://www.gov.uk/personal-tax-account
[13:44] <xnox> click click done
[13:52] <willcooke> \o/
[14:09] <pitti> Good morning
[14:11] <Laney> xnox: this is extremely annoying
[14:11] <Laney> I signed up for a government SSO thing a few months ago but lost the 2fa app when reinstalling my phone
[14:11] <Laney> and the procedure to get it back is maximally terious
[14:11] <Laney> tedious
[14:12] <xnox> Laney, just use another SSO provider ;-)
[14:12] <Laney> also there are like 6 providers of SSO to this service
[14:12] <Laney> WHY
[14:12] <xnox> there are multiple.
[14:12] <xnox> Laney, vendor indepdant.
[14:12] <Laney> stupidity dependent
[14:12] <Laney> what information do I have to choose between them?
[14:13] <Laney> and why is it a good choice for me to make
[14:14] <Laney> post office have cached my old 2fa session which I just managed to remove
[14:14] <Laney> so even after resetting it I'm unable to log in
[14:15] <Laney> worst. service. ever. </comic book guy>
[14:19] <flocculant> Laney: oh ... that stuff is worse than that
[14:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: Time to sponsor bug #1575555 (yakkety and xenial)? We ended up with a better solution than what we discussed here a few days ago, and Debian will do the same.
[14:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, I can have a look but UOS&co so maybe not today
[15:57] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I see. Today isn't necessary, of course, bug I nudge you since I think it's a pretty bad issue for those affected.
[16:07] <seb128> GunnarHj, k, I try to have a look in a bit
[17:41] <bregma> so when we install gedit in a standalone environment (eg. a libertine container) it has no icons anywhere...  seems it is missing a dependency (or even recommends) in its packaging
[17:56] <willcooke> could be themes which are assumed to be there
[18:01] <bregma> yes it's definitely themes, but it could at least recommend installing them instead of assuming someone else has taken care of all the work
[18:01] <bregma> in the coming world, assumptions about any dependencies is just a broken package
[18:01] <bregma> (except certain key core dependencies like libc)
[20:05] <willcooke> gnight