| TheMarius | just curious, is this for a home computer and what are you using it for? | 00:09 |
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| Gallomimia | who mine? right now i'm simply trying to make it boot. the problem with my DNS system is i tunnel internet thru my laptop, since the wifi dongle i have is frosted flakes. the laptop doesn't forward DNS so after dhcp goes thru, i have to change the dns config to one layer up in NAT | 00:11 |
| TheMarius | but if you get it running, what are you going to use it for? | 00:16 |
| TheMarius | im just looking at getting my awsome ubuntu mate setup up to do something useful | 00:18 |
| TheMarius | got slow bandwith so i dont think fileserver is any point | 00:18 |
| TheMarius | maybe xmpp server is something to look into though | 00:18 |
| ouroumov | Hi Gallomimia | 00:19 |
| ouroumov | Maybe this'll help: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/the-ars-guide-to-building-a-linux-router-from-scratch/ | 00:20 |
| Gallomimia | general desktop use, including gaming, personal serving, compiling... whatever | 00:20 |
| Gallomimia | it's fairly loaded. lots of drives | 00:20 |
| Gallomimia | tried ubuntu unity for a long while. that entire situation is a bit of a joke | 00:21 |
| TheMarius | all i have now is a 5 tb home network server, but as fast and stable this system is i want it to do more | 00:21 |
| Gallomimia | unity looks nice, but it runs like a damn brick | 00:21 |
| TheMarius | its on 24/7 anyway | 00:21 |
| Gallomimia | yeah. i prefer to leave mine on 24/7 | 00:21 |
| Gallomimia | but the first incarnation it had an ATI card, with some kind of factory overclocked feature that didn't fit inside the normal drivers | 00:22 |
| TheMarius | this is the first distro that has been running flawless with my ATI card | 00:22 |
| Gallomimia | came with windows only drivers. if any program made the wrong call to the driver, the entire desktop environment crashed | 00:22 |
| TheMarius | im not sure what kind of magic they've done | 00:22 |
| Gallomimia | especially bitcoin miner program. which i was running just as an added heat source in my room >< | 00:23 |
| TheMarius | im not mining bitcoins, i want to do something for people for free | 00:24 |
| Gallomimia | had to shut it down to do anything with the system. and shutting it down triggered a crash. kinda contrairy to running a linux distro at all eh? | 00:24 |
| ouroumov | That's as good a reason as many lol | 00:24 |
| TheMarius | xmpp is a descent idea | 00:24 |
| TheMarius | but i know 0 about setting it up, which to get etc | 00:24 |
| Gallomimia | the jabber server? | 00:24 |
| TheMarius | xmpp shouldnt consume much bandwith either | 00:24 |
| TheMarius | yeah | 00:24 |
| Gallomimia | it *IS* a decent idea. but it's implemented with XML | 00:24 |
| Gallomimia | lame. | 00:24 |
| TheMarius | meaning? | 00:24 |
| Gallomimia | i was just talking with some folks in another channel for a game... | 00:24 |
| Gallomimia | irc is still here. not going away any time soon | 00:25 |
| TheMarius | eggdrop bot | 00:25 |
| Gallomimia | i figured xmpp would take off and we'd be using that instead of telephones or skype or anything | 00:25 |
| Gallomimia | one thing i'd like to set up is multiseat | 00:25 |
| TheMarius | thing is | 00:26 |
| Gallomimia | this thing has 2 monitors, and enough power to run 2 of any older game | 00:26 |
| TheMarius | when i ran linux mint for a few years i had only that one laptop | 00:26 |
| Gallomimia | play with a friend | 00:26 |
| TheMarius | i never experimented much with servers and networks | 00:26 |
| TheMarius | now i have this massive 5 tb desktop | 00:26 |
| Gallomimia | well, i've found out the hard way... there's but one way to learn those things | 00:26 |
| Gallomimia | to yes, experiment, and to also generate some kind of need to learn it | 00:26 |
| ouroumov | TheMarius, if you wanna do something for people for free... There's Boinc. | 00:27 |
| Gallomimia | my favorite communication protocol to date is mumble | 00:27 |
| Gallomimia | whats boinc? | 00:27 |
| TheMarius | never had a linux install that ran well on this until this ubuntu mate 16.04 ... therefore this is more interesting now ... and i love the way linux works, with mounting into directories etc | 00:27 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, distributed computing for research projects | 00:27 |
| Gallomimia | oh yeah | 00:27 |
| Gallomimia | neato | 00:27 |
| TheMarius | ouroumov, irc bouncer so i get banned? no thanks | 00:27 |
| ouroumov | Here's an example of project you can donate CPU time to: https://mindmodeling.org/ | 00:28 |
| Gallomimia | like seti@home or protien folding, but for anything | 00:28 |
| ouroumov | TheMarius, I think you mistook what I was talking about xD | 00:28 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, yes | 00:28 |
| Gallomimia | TheMarius: first of all, it's not a bouncer, and second, they don't get you banned. in fact i'm using one now | 00:28 |
| Gallomimia | and since we're on the subject of drives | 00:29 |
| TheMarius | xmpp and a eggdrop bot are the 2 ideas i have | 00:29 |
| Gallomimia | i'd like to show off my rig: | 00:29 |
| Gallomimia | i've got 3x 2tb drives in a raid5 | 00:29 |
| Gallomimia | and i've also got a single 3tb drive. i have a pair of those | 00:29 |
| TheMarius | owncloud was a good idea but this network is too slow.. if fiber ever gets here to farmville ill set that up | 00:29 |
| Gallomimia | but the other two sata ports on my board are populated with SSDs | 00:29 |
| alexei | nice rig | 00:29 |
| Gallomimia | whoa what | 00:29 |
| Gallomimia | what is owncloud? | 00:29 |
| Gallomimia | cause i've been wanting something named that for awhile | 00:30 |
| TheMarius | Gallomimia, like dropbox only with as much storage as you want | 00:30 |
| TheMarius | set up on your home server | 00:30 |
| Gallomimia | yeah awesome | 00:30 |
| Gallomimia | exactly what i want | 00:30 |
| alexei | wait what? is it free? | 00:30 |
| TheMarius | thumbs up for that | 00:30 |
| TheMarius | ofcourse.. you use your own diskspace | 00:30 |
| alexei | awesome | 00:30 |
| TheMarius | google it and get working then :) got the tip from someone here a couple of days ago | 00:31 |
| freakjota | hi alla | 00:31 |
| TheMarius | but with 3 mbit or what it is here, its useless | 00:31 |
| ouroumov | hi freakjota | 00:31 |
| alexei | lol | 00:31 |
| Gallomimia | yeah i've got less than that right now | 00:32 |
| alexei | i have 10 mbit.. but i have a crappy pc | 00:32 |
| Gallomimia | but soon i hope it'll be more | 00:32 |
| alexei | oh ok | 00:32 |
| Gallomimia | k. gotta get back to plowing food into my face. need my hands, so i watch TV | 00:32 |
| alexei | do u know how to quick search for apps in mate | 00:32 |
| alexei | ok | 00:33 |
| Gallomimia | who me? no | 00:35 |
| Gallomimia | barely used it. ran an install | 00:36 |
| TheMarius | 3 mbit is just enough to watch youtube in 480p | 00:45 |
| TheMarius | or netflix in "moderate" resolution | 00:45 |
| TheMarius | thats it | 00:45 |
| TheMarius | however its fine for me... i dont need more | 00:46 |
| TheMarius | just wonder what im going to use this server for, and the 5 tb of diskspace :/ | 00:48 |
| TheMarius | must be something useful | 00:48 |
| TheMarius | actually i can hook up 2.5 tb more | 00:51 |
| TheMarius | which would make it 7.5 tb | 00:51 |
| TheMarius | im out of warez and that sort of things | 00:52 |
| ouroumov | TheMarius, you wanna find use for what, your disk space? Your Internet connection? Your CPU? | 00:54 |
| TheMarius | everything | 00:57 |
| TheMarius | server ideas basically | 00:57 |
| TheMarius | never mind... ill keep looking | 00:58 |
| ouroumov | So distributed computing for your CPU, such as seti@home, Seeding the ubuntu torrents for your bandwidth, And Incremental backup of your machines for the disk space | 00:58 |
| ouroumov | That'd me my go-to | 00:59 |
| TheMarius | k :) noted | 01:00 |
| Gallomimia | i know someone who plays with AI, neural nets | 01:00 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, gotta have a nice GPU for that | 01:01 |
| Gallomimia | actually he's got cpu cores galore | 01:01 |
| ouroumov | oh :o | 01:01 |
| ouroumov | Xeon-like? | 01:01 |
| Gallomimia | yeah i think so | 01:02 |
| Gallomimia | he told me the specs. E5 something something | 01:03 |
| Gallomimia | dual cpu, hexcore +HT | 01:03 |
| Gallomimia | can't remember exactly. reams of ram | 01:03 |
| ouroumov | Sounds expensive | 01:03 |
| shantorn | howdy ri | 01:04 |
| ouroumov | hi shantorn | 01:04 |
| shantorn | hi there | 01:05 |
| shantorn | i miss typed the entry sorry | 01:05 |
| shantorn | i usually just watch and learn | 01:05 |
| ouroumov | You're welcome to do so. xD | 01:06 |
| ouroumov | Though this is not an overly active channel so it might be a while till there's something worth watching x) | 01:07 |
| ouroumov | shantorn, you're a new Ubuntu MATE user? | 01:08 |
| shantorn | not really, been using it since 15.04, used to always use mint mate but i feel the ubuntu version is a bit nappier | 01:09 |
| shantorn | snapier | 01:09 |
| shantorn | and i have been using 16.04 since beta one and i just love the software boutique | 01:09 |
| ouroumov | Yeah, the "Welcome" thing as a whole is awesome | 01:10 |
| shantorn | i have to learn about the ubuntu way to set up my optimus graphic on my laptop | 01:13 |
| ouroumov | Holly crap: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/05/easily-exploited-bug-exposes-huge-number-of-sites-to-code-execution-attacks/ | 01:13 |
| Gallomimia | i finally got my ubuntu mate install to boot, but it doesn't log in. | 01:19 |
| Gallomimia | typing the password causes some kind of flicker, and returns to the login screen | 01:19 |
| Gallomimia | i need some help getting resolvconf setup on command line. fix DNS | 01:19 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, you've asked on the forums yet? | 01:21 |
| Gallomimia | i shouldn't need to ask. there should be something i can find | 01:40 |
| ouroumov | shantorn, I remember seeing a few post about optimus on the forums | 01:40 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, you've managed to log in? | 01:41 |
| Gallomimia | sure. just press ctrl+alt+f1 and you get a text console | 01:41 |
| Gallomimia | not very helpful when trying to edit graphical based settings | 01:42 |
| ouroumov | So you should be able to interface with the network manager using nmcli | 01:42 |
| Gallomimia | ah that'll help yes | 01:42 |
| ouroumov | DNS resolving is set up automatically when using DHCP | 01:42 |
| ouroumov | Are you using static addressing? | 01:42 |
| Gallomimia | no. it sets up auto with dhcp | 01:43 |
| Gallomimia | but.... | 01:43 |
| Gallomimia | the dns info it gets is dead wrong | 01:43 |
| ouroumov | And you're sure it's not your router's fault? :x | 01:46 |
| Gallomimia | i'm absolutely sure it's my router's fault | 01:46 |
| Gallomimia | you see my router is this laptop | 01:46 |
| Gallomimia | the wireless dongle i have for my desktop is absolute drek. so i tether it to this, which gives dhcp, but no dns | 01:47 |
| shantorn | thanks ouroumov | 01:47 |
| Gallomimia | yet it still passes a dns value of itself | 01:47 |
| Gallomimia | i really don't need to talk about networking theory. i just want to set the nameserver address | 01:48 |
| Gallomimia | why is it so hard?? | 01:48 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, "nmcli c mod uuid +ipv4.dns 8.8.4.4" | 01:51 |
| Gallomimia | what's uuid? | 01:51 |
| ouroumov | Where uuid is obtained from the list "nmcli c show" | 01:51 |
| Gallomimia | ouroumov: there's no way i'm going to type all that out | 01:53 |
| ouroumov | Yeah, I feel your pain. I'm looking up the documentation for hints as to how to show the id for a connection | 01:53 |
| ouroumov | Error: invalid field 'id'; allowed fields: NAME,UUID,TYPE,TIMESTAMP,TIMESTAMP-REAL,AUTOCONNECT,AUTOCONNECT-PRIORITY,READONLY,DBUS-PATH,ACTIVE,DEVICE,STATE,ACTIVE-PATH. -_- | 01:55 |
| ouroumov | so yeah | 01:56 |
| Gallomimia | if i could just use some bash-fu to cut and paste that value in... | 01:56 |
| Gallomimia | fek it i'll just painstakingly type it all out | 01:57 |
| Gallomimia | no copy and paste for me... | 01:57 |
| ouroumov | VARIABLE=`nmcli c show | grep wlp2s0 | rev | cut -d' ' -f2 | rev` | 01:57 |
| Gallomimia | or, i could check some logs about why the GUI doesn't work | 01:57 |
| ouroumov | for the wlp2s0 interface | 01:57 |
| Gallomimia | not quite the name of mine but... | 01:58 |
| Gallomimia | might as well type out the uuid instead of all that :P | 01:58 |
| ouroumov | Sure, it'll be different based on your hardware | 01:58 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, I know right? x) | 01:58 |
| ouroumov | OH! | 01:59 |
| ouroumov | nmcli -f UUID c | 01:59 |
| Gallomimia | what's that do? | 01:59 |
| Gallomimia | anyway, i tried the first command. no luck | 02:00 |
| ouroumov | just prints the UUID, you can grep for the first characters then | 02:00 |
| Gallomimia | yeah neat | 02:00 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, the DNS command? | 02:01 |
| Gallomimia | still no dns | 02:01 |
| Gallomimia | yep. | 02:01 |
| ouroumov | Try and remove the "+", that way dns servs are replaced, not added to | 02:01 |
| Gallomimia | still nothing | 02:02 |
| Gallomimia | and it disturbs me that i can't seem to view the dns servers | 02:02 |
| ouroumov | ? | 02:02 |
| Gallomimia | i can't poll any system to find out what dns servers it's using? | 02:03 |
| ouroumov | hm, no idea | 02:03 |
| Nosophorus | Is there any problem if I install pppoeconf in Ubuntu MATE 16.04? | 02:04 |
| Gallomimia | that's funny. i can login just fine with a guest session | 02:05 |
| Gallomimia | the heck is up with that? | 02:05 |
| Nosophorus | I mean, could it conflict with any Internet connection configuration package? | 02:05 |
| Gallomimia | oh. i bet it's cause my home dir is populated with settings already | 02:05 |
| ouroumov | Nosophorus, you've got an old dls modem? | 02:06 |
| Nosophorus | ouroumov: This modem is a Thomsom Speedtouch | 02:06 |
| Nosophorus | Almost half a decade of use | 02:07 |
| ouroumov | Problem is whatever I can find online dates back to Ubuntu v9 | 02:07 |
| ouroumov | I remember one dude on the forum mentioning pppoe and he had problems | 02:08 |
| Nosophorus | ouroumov: My worry is that pppoeconf may conflict with the nice and smooth app Xenial uses to connect and configure my connection. | 02:09 |
| Nosophorus | It simply runs smooth and by the numbers. | 02:09 |
| Gallomimia | it does? | 02:10 |
| Gallomimia | i've only been using mate for a half a day and i've found the default stuff conflicts with itself. i'm going to suggest gingerly that you'll be fine | 02:10 |
| Nosophorus | I don't know. I've just installed pppoeconf. I hope it doesn't. | 02:11 |
| ouroumov | Nosophorus, and obviously you're connected already, I don't understand very well what you want to do: set up a secondary connection using an old modem? | 02:11 |
| Nosophorus | ouroumov: I have been using pppoeconf since my first Ubuntu install (2007). I installed it just in case I need a backup method to configure my connection. | 02:12 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, I think your problem is with the Ubuntu base | 02:12 |
| ouroumov | Nosophorus, alright | 02:12 |
| Gallomimia | well see, the real problem i'm having is my old home still exists, with same uid and all the old files | 02:12 |
| Gallomimia | so it causes some bump when i try to login | 02:13 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, so why don't you move it? | 02:13 |
| Gallomimia | i'm just going to copy it all out of there | 02:13 |
| ouroumov | Yeah | 02:13 |
| Nosophorus | By the way, this new Ubuntu MATE 16.04 Xenial Xerus is much better than the previous LTS. The computer resources usage is pretty much optimized in this version. | 02:13 |
| Nosophorus | Chiefly the RAM usage has improved a lot. | 02:14 |
| ouroumov | Nosophorus, yeah there's been a lot of improvements | 02:15 |
| Gallomimia | there. | 02:15 |
| Nosophorus | One thing I'd like to see is the option to select the kind of world map used in the clock app. | 02:15 |
| ouroumov | Nosophorus, you should post your feedback in the forum | 02:16 |
| ouroumov | This place is more transient so your feature request will lack visibility here | 02:16 |
| Nosophorus | ouroumov: I'll do that. I taking note of everything I think would be useful and I'll show it to the Ubuntu MATE guys and gals. | 02:17 |
| ouroumov | ^^ | 02:17 |
| Nosophorus | *I'm taking note.. . | 02:17 |
| Gallomimia | i got one question about ubuntu mirrors. my favorite mirror is missing from the list | 02:19 |
| Gallomimia | most of the packages that get fetched come from the same set as regular ubuntu tho. what gives? | 02:19 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, is that abnormal? | 02:20 |
| Gallomimia | nothing's normal. i'm using a completely new system | 02:20 |
| Gallomimia | but yeah. the mirror i used to use for ubuntu was in the same city as the HQ for my ISP | 02:21 |
| Gallomimia | fast didn't begin to describe it | 02:21 |
| Gallomimia | well, nothing's fast on this ISP. stupid dsl :( | 02:21 |
| Gallomimia | but the cable company... wow it would go | 02:21 |
| ouroumov | When you say "used to" we're talking what, last month? | 02:22 |
| Gallomimia | last time i had this system running. maybe 2 weeks ago | 02:22 |
| Gallomimia | for years | 02:22 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, last system was 16.04? | 02:23 |
| Gallomimia | no it was 14.04 | 02:23 |
| Gallomimia | i'm consulting the site of the mirror now | 02:23 |
| Gallomimia | i think i'll drop them a mail | 02:23 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, maybe you can replace the mirror urls in /etc/apt/sources.list | 02:25 |
| ouroumov | After having backed it up, oc | 02:25 |
| Gallomimia | maybe. i'll not worry about it for now since the default server is saturating my link anyway | 02:25 |
| Gallomimia | as i said, DSL sucks | 02:25 |
| ouroumov | Okay | 02:25 |
| Gallomimia | but i'll be moving back to my favorite ISP | 02:25 |
| Gallomimia | and their HQ is in the same city as this mirror. the network topology favors it for sure | 02:26 |
| Gallomimia | sweet. 16.04 has properly up to date nvidia drivers in the default repos | 02:38 |
| Gallomimia | and why is grub so..... | 02:38 |
| Gallomimia | graphic-y? | 02:38 |
| ouroumov | Yeah, well, it gets updated too | 02:39 |
| ouroumov | I don't really care for it | 02:40 |
| Gallomimia | me either. cause it hangs now that i've installed those drivers. | 02:42 |
| Gallomimia | ....why?? | 02:42 |
| Gallomimia | it was working! | 02:42 |
| ouroumov | ! | 02:42 |
| ouroumov | That can't be the driver's fault though | 02:43 |
| Gallomimia | i don't get it | 03:14 |
| Gallomimia | i didn't change much else. it froze on the unlock crypto screen | 03:14 |
| Gallomimia | oh. well i did install steam. and that came with a boatload of other stuff | 03:14 |
| Gallomimia | i seem to remember having a few odd grub options in my previous setup | 03:14 |
| ouroumov | What crypto system are you using? FDE or home folder encryption? | 03:15 |
| Gallomimia | fde | 03:15 |
| Gallomimia | my LVM is inside a luks contianer | 03:15 |
| Gallomimia | recovery mode worked | 03:18 |
| Gallomimia | wish i knew why... | 03:18 |
| ouroumov | Boy I don't think I've seen anyone have as much trouble with this than you | 03:19 |
| Gallomimia | pfft. this was nothing | 03:19 |
| Gallomimia | took me 6 months to get things to run at all | 03:19 |
| Gallomimia | putting it on a raid was kinda silly | 03:20 |
| Gallomimia | now i still have to involve the ssd's as cache and swap | 03:20 |
| Gallomimia | seems pointless to have a cache and a swap that aren't encrypted right? | 03:20 |
| Gallomimia | i mean, why bother to have crypto at all if there's an unencrypted disk right there with everything you need | 03:21 |
| Gallomimia | now. let's see if the second monitor will work | 03:21 |
| ouroumov | I find having a swap at all is pointless, but well that's just me | 03:22 |
| jaime | hola | 03:44 |
| jaime | mo puedo conectarme a internat via wifi, solo via cableado | 03:45 |
| ouroumov | hi jaime | 03:46 |
| ouroumov | jaime, I don't speak that language, sorry. But I get you have a wifi problem so do that: | 03:47 |
| ouroumov | jaime, type in a terminal opened with CTRL+ALT+T the command: "lshw -C network" | 03:47 |
| ouroumov | jaime, get from the output the wifi card model and driver | 03:48 |
| ouroumov | Then google "ubuntu <model> <driver>" | 03:48 |
| jaime | thanks , I 'm looking right now | 03:51 |
| Gallomimia | hey is there any simple undelete programs installed on MATE? | 04:05 |
| ouroumov | Not that I know of | 04:05 |
| Gallomimia | accidentally started an rm on the wrong steam folder | 04:06 |
| Gallomimia | it'd be better to undelete than redownload :/ | 04:06 |
| Gallomimia | thought i saw one... | 04:06 |
| ouroumov | Filerecovery tools are never simple to use anyway | 04:07 |
| Gallomimia | yeah... | 04:07 |
| Gallomimia | wow i hate how steam does things | 04:09 |
| Gallomimia | i mean, they get the games working, but controlling things, settings, the UI, all of that is horrible. | 04:10 |
| Gallomimia | !@#!@ | 04:12 |
| Gallomimia | so annoying. | 04:12 |
| Gallomimia | oh well. seems to be working | 04:12 |
| Gallomimia | ok what's with the window managers | 04:13 |
| Gallomimia | which are "good" which are bad? | 04:13 |
| Gallomimia | i changed it to compiz, but i think that's the reason i wanted to switch away from unity | 04:13 |
| ouroumov | Use Marco + Compton | 04:13 |
| Gallomimia | thx | 04:14 |
| ouroumov | It's not heavy on eye-candy but it does the job | 04:14 |
| Gallomimia | don't really need eye candy right? | 04:15 |
| ouroumov | yup | 04:15 |
| Gallomimia | what i need is for the fullscreen apps to work :P | 04:15 |
| ouroumov | That and vsync | 04:15 |
| ouroumov | Only reasons to use a compositor | 04:15 |
| Gallomimia | and now, i just want to turn off the workspaces. can you guide me to that? | 04:16 |
| ouroumov | Gallomimia, weird, but OK | 04:18 |
| ouroumov | You should have a workspace switcher applet in the lower panel, on the right | 04:18 |
| Gallomimia | having 2 monitors doesn't really lend itself well to using more than one workspace | 04:18 |
| Gallomimia | ah, preferences | 04:18 |
| Gallomimia | ound it | 04:19 |
| ouroumov | Right click preference -> Number of workspaces = 1 | 04:19 |
| Gallomimia | great thanks | 04:19 |
| ouroumov | I have two monitors and 8 workspaces xD | 04:19 |
| Gallomimia | yeah i've tried a few systems with workspaces. it can be useful, but it sucks i find, if you want your chat on one screen and others... | 04:19 |
| Gallomimia | well maybe you can tell me how you work all that | 04:19 |
| ouroumov | Well my workspaces are basically zones in which I do stuff | 04:20 |
| Gallomimia | yeah i like that kind of thing | 04:21 |
| Gallomimia | i could get used to them | 04:21 |
| ouroumov | Programming area, ssh sessions area for server admin, webbrowsing, media, etc | 04:21 |
| Gallomimia | but i tend to use one of my monitors for dedicated things. like music, chat, steam window | 04:22 |
| Gallomimia | while my main monitor either has a game, or browser | 04:22 |
| Gallomimia | terminals can be either | 04:22 |
| Gallomimia | i'll try workspaces later sometime | 04:22 |
| Gallomimia | just because you said so :P | 04:22 |
| Gallomimia | can you lock certain windows or programs to all workspaces? | 04:23 |
| ouroumov | Yes | 04:23 |
| Gallomimia | that might become useful | 04:23 |
| ouroumov | Currently I have the IRC chat locked set so it follows the current workspace | 04:23 |
| Gallomimia | hm. need menu bar on both screens | 04:24 |
| ouroumov | I don't think you can do that in the current version of the OS | 04:25 |
| Gallomimia | that's too bad. i can't even seem to get it on my main monitor | 04:26 |
| Gallomimia | it was in monitors settings for ubuntu unity | 04:26 |
| ouroumov | Yeah it's in display settings | 04:26 |
| ouroumov | Oh actually I found a way to have other panels | 04:27 |
| ouroumov | It's not a clone though, it's a different panel | 04:28 |
| ouroumov | Right click on a panel and select "new panel" | 04:28 |
| Gallomimia | ah. neat | 04:28 |
| ouroumov | In panel properties set the orientation | 04:28 |
| ouroumov | Then uncheck "expand" | 04:28 |
| ouroumov | Then by grabbing the extremities of the panel, you can drag it where you want | 04:29 |
| Gallomimia | when i uncheck expand, there are no extremities, it disappears | 04:29 |
| Gallomimia | ah ok. before changing orientation i can move it to the other screen | 04:30 |
| Gallomimia | ok so i got a panel. i wonder if i can find some way to clone the contents of the other | 04:31 |
| Gallomimia | well, that's a lot of stuff to worry about another time i think | 04:32 |
| ouroumov | I don't think there's a way, you gotta duplicate the applets because they're assigned a panel | 04:32 |
| Gallomimia | i'll look into it another time | 04:32 |
| Gallomimia | there's a lot to set up! | 04:35 |
| Gallomimia | quassel! now i can type on my better machine. | 04:37 |
| Gallomimia | yeah things are much better | 04:38 |
| Gallomimia | heh. nuked a couple games :/ | 04:39 |
| Gallomimia | well thanks for chatting with me ouroumov. for the time being it seems things are working. tho i had to use recovery mode to boot. | 05:06 |
| ouroumov | yeah | 05:07 |
| ouroumov | I'm curious to know how that's even working | 05:07 |
| Gallomimia | oh yeah me too | 05:07 |
| ouroumov | I mean point of FDE is that it's not possible to bypass | 05:07 |
| Gallomimia | oh, it asks me to unlock it in the old text version | 05:08 |
| ouroumov | ah | 05:08 |
| Gallomimia | before it even gets to the recovery menu. then i select boot as normal | 05:08 |
| Gallomimia | i mean.... i haven't tried rebooting since then | 05:08 |
| ouroumov | Did you do a full system update / upgrade? | 05:08 |
| Gallomimia | fresh install | 05:14 |
| Gallomimia | on a new LVM | 05:14 |
| Gallomimia | so, i still have the old one, but it didn't work | 05:14 |
| Gallomimia | gave up on fixing it and decided well, 16.04 is out | 05:14 |
| Gallomimia | then i started thinking about my dissatisfaction with unity and musings about it in other channels | 05:14 |
| Gallomimia | thought, hey i'll try a different flavor while i'm at it | 05:15 |
| Gallomimia | and here i am | 05:15 |
| savalan | hello there | 06:38 |
| savalan | i have a question | 06:38 |
| savalan | is there anyone to help me please on ubuntu mate | 06:39 |
| savalan | hello lichen | 06:44 |
| savalan | how are you | 06:44 |
| savalan | too bad | 06:46 |
| fogar | sabe alguien resolver problemas audio en mac ppc g5? | 08:35 |
| alkisg | !english | 08:36 |
| fogar | tengo mate 16 ppc y me encanta ,ok | 08:37 |
| fogar | You know someone solve audio problems ppc mac g5? | 08:39 |
| fogar | I kill 16 ppc and love, ok | 08:39 |
| fogar | I have a 2 screen television 32 'and the colors are distorted, be a solution? thank you very much | 08:41 |
| alkisg | fogar: what's the output of this command? | 08:42 |
| alkisg | xrandr | 08:42 |
| alkisg | Put it in pastebin... | 08:42 |
| fogar | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2640 x 1024, maximum 4096 x 4096 | 08:44 |
| fogar | DVI-I-1 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 340mm x 270mm | 08:44 |
| fogar | 1280x1024 75.02*+ 60.02 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 1024x768 75.08 70.07 60.00 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 832x624 74.55 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 800x600 72.19 75.00 60.32 56.25 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 640x480 75.00 72.81 66.67 60.00 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 720x400 70.08 | 08:44 |
| fogar | DVI-I-2 connected 1360x768+1280+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 160mm x 90mm | 08:44 |
| fogar | 1360x768 60.02*+ | 08:44 |
| fogar | 1280x720 60.00 50.00 59.94 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 1024x768 60.00 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 800x600 60.32 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 720x576 50.00 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 720x480 60.00 59.94 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 640x480 60.00 59.94 | 08:44 |
| fogar | 720x400 70.08 | 08:44 |
| alkisg | Use http://paste.ubuntu.com | 08:44 |
| fogar | problen is dvi-i-2 | 08:45 |
| mate|7315 | hi! please how to launch an application "undecorated" (i mean avoiding to see the window and scroll bars) and in a fixed position on the screen? | 08:45 |
| mate|7315 | via command line? | 08:45 |
| valtteri_ | Hey guys! Just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04. I had 15.10 before, but I had messed around too much, so better start over fresh. That's why I have a few questions - if you don't mind - before I mess things up again... I use Plank and Topmenu, as I'm used to OS X, but they both have something wrong this time. Plank is missing settings file, so I can't set ShowDockItem=false. And Topmenu has no mozilla plug-in installed. How can | 09:15 |
| valtteri_ | I fix these, and should I be worried something else, maybe more critical is missing too? | 09:15 |
| valtteri_ | Or Mozilla has no Topmenu plug-in, maybe that way... :P | 09:16 |
| mra_ | valtteri_: hmm, never heard of plank or topmenu, but good luck with that | 09:23 |
| jeff_ | hi | 09:53 |
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| Guest5968 | hi | 09:54 |
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| gordonjcp | dammit guys | 13:54 |
| gordonjcp | it's May now | 13:54 |
| gordonjcp | why isn't there a 16.10 alpha out yet? | 13:54 |
| ouroumov_ | You can use the daily build gordonjcp :D | 13:55 |
| gordonjcp | yay | 13:56 |
| gordonjcp | it's more fun when everything's on fire | 13:57 |
| erkan^ | gordonjcp and ouroumov_ , can you research: which is the faster: Firefox or Chromium? I had often problem with Firefox, because Firefox open and lading is slow. With Chromium is faster. I don't understand how cna that. | 14:13 |
| ouroumov_ | r | 14:15 |
| gordonjcp | o_O | 14:15 |
| ouroumov_ | erkan^, I don't use Chromium | 14:19 |
| erkan^ | Can you test Chromium, ouroumov_ ? | 14:19 |
| erkan^ | CHromium is in software centre | 14:19 |
| ouroumov_ | What I know of Chromium is that it uses one separated Process or Thread (not sure which) per tab | 14:19 |
| ouroumov_ | erkan^, sorry I don't want to | 14:20 |
| erkan^ | Ok, I am curious to users of Ubuntu MATE which browser is the faster, ouroumov_ | 14:21 |
| gordonjcp | erkan^: I have done some research | 14:22 |
| gordonjcp | erkan^: Chromium is faster | 14:22 |
| gordonjcp | erkan^: this guy on IRC said it seemed to be faster | 14:22 |
| erkan^ | Yes, I don't understand how can that Firefox is slow, gordonjcp | 14:24 |
| gordonjcp | <shrug> | 14:24 |
| gordonjcp | damned if I know | 14:24 |
| ouroumov_ | <shrug> | 14:24 |
| gordonjcp | 15:13 < erkan^> gordonjcp and ouroumov_ , can you research: which is the faster: Firefox or Chromium? I had often problem with Firefox, because Firefox open and lading is slow. With Chromium is faster. I don't understand how cna that. | 14:24 |
| gordonjcp | ^ that guy says Chromium is faster | 14:25 |
| ouroumov_ | This is the guy. | 14:25 |
| ouroumov_ | xD | 14:25 |
| gordonjcp | ouroumov_: I didn't say I did particularly exhaustive research | 14:25 |
| michael_ | hi | 14:27 |
| erkan^ | Goodafternoon sir Michael_ | 14:28 |
| michael_ | i need some general help with the rpi3 and sound via hdmi. or is it still a bug? | 14:30 |
| michael_ | found this: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hdmi-on-rpi-ubuntumate/1248/36 | 14:31 |
| michael_ | is it up to date? | 14:31 |
| erkan^ | No idea? | 14:33 |
| erkan^ | hi ubuntu-mate | 14:33 |
| vok` | erkan^: Hi. | 14:42 |
| erkan^ | hi vok` | 14:48 |
| TheMarius | he's ubuntus best mate | 15:05 |
| giita | why would you use chromium if chrome is also in the software centre | 15:11 |
| hid|ninja | hey | 16:03 |
| hid|ninja | has someone ever installed mozjpeg? | 16:04 |
| Nosophorus | hello, guys | 16:26 |
| alkisg | Hello | 16:26 |
| TheMarius | ok any of you guys got movit to work in kdenlive? | 16:57 |
| gordonjcp | TheMarius: do you still need to compile from source? | 16:59 |
| TheMarius | i just installed the default kdenlive package from ubuntu repositories | 16:59 |
| TheMarius | havent done anything else | 17:00 |
| gordonjcp | the movit website suggests it's still pretty experimental | 17:00 |
| TheMarius | yeah | 17:02 |
| MrBIOS | hi folks, I am experiencing a problem with gvfsd-smb-browse proess taking up 100% of CPU on initial log-on (in this case it’s on PowerPC), and was wondering if anyone here knew if that was a known issue on 16.04 | 17:03 |
| TheMarius | however if im to use this old crap pc for video editing i think i should get it enabled | 17:03 |
| ouroumov | MrBIOS! | 17:03 |
| TheMarius | its an old amd x4 3.2ghz clocked to 3.5ghz with 8 gig ram | 17:03 |
| ouroumov | MrBIOS, this is a know issue. There's a bug report on launchpad, lemme get that for you. | 17:03 |
| MrBIOS | great, I’d like to subscribe to it | 17:04 |
| ouroumov | MrBIOS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1409032 | 17:04 |
| MrBIOS | thanks a bunch | 17:04 |
| ouroumov | MrBIOS: Thank you man. The more people marking themselves as "affected", the faster it'll be solved. | 17:05 |
| MrBIOS | ouroumov: done, bug heat is already at 100 | 17:07 |
| ouroumov | :] | 17:09 |
| erkan^ | wow Claws Mail is faster than Thunderbird | 17:20 |
| erkan^ | I think that Mozilla has very problem now. | 17:21 |
| swift110 | hey all | 17:21 |
| erkan^ | hi swift110 | 17:23 |
| erkan^ | :) | 17:23 |
| swift110 | how are you erkan^ | 17:23 |
| erkan^ | I am fine and you too? | 17:24 |
| erkan^ | Claws Mail is new for me, i am tried or I like this. swift110 | 17:28 |
| swift110 | oh ok | 17:33 |
| hid|ninja | erkan^: have you used thunderbird before? | 17:34 |
| hid|ninja | it seems its development by mozilla will stop soon | 17:34 |
| hid|ninja | i also need an alternative :> | 17:35 |
| chiel | hi | 17:36 |
| erkan^ | Yes sure and that is right, hid|ninja | 17:38 |
| erkan^ | You can try with Claws Mail, hid|ninja | 17:38 |
| bennabiy | I just rebooted and my Advanced menu disappeared | 17:38 |
| bennabiy | I had this happen as a result of python-xlib in linuxmint 17.3 but just had it happen in 16.04 | 17:39 |
| erkan^ | Or you can look in Software Center: Search: Mail, than you get a list of Mail, hid|ninja | 17:39 |
| ouroumov | Hey bennabiy | 17:49 |
| bennabiy | ouroumov: hi | 17:49 |
| ouroumov | bennabiy, maybe you can report it as an issue on mate-menu then? | 17:49 |
| ouroumov | hid|ninja, "no longer in dev" does not mean "no longer supported" | 17:51 |
| bennabiy | ouroumov: thank you. | 17:52 |
| hid|ninja | ouroumov: i trust mozilla | 17:53 |
| Dackel | Hi,how can i change the file manager? | 17:53 |
| hid|ninja | Dackel: try thunar, very good fm | 17:53 |
| ouroumov | Hi Dackel. Some dude on the forum replaced Caja with something else, maybe you can adapt his steps for the file manager you want: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/use-nemo-instead-of-caja-updated-for-xenial/4124/3 | 18:07 |
| Dackel | i decided to use gnome commander,but how i can change the settings to start gnome commander instead caja? | 18:07 |
| Dackel | ouroumov, thanks | 18:09 |
| Akuli | you mean for the desktop icons | 18:21 |
| Akuli | ? | 18:21 |
| Akuli | first you'd disable caja's desktop icons, then enable gnome commander's desktop icons :) | 18:21 |
| Dackel | thx Akuli | 18:28 |
| Akuli | arch wiki mentions disabling caja's desktop icons | 18:28 |
| Dackel | thank | 18:29 |
| Akuli | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MATE#Prevent_Caja_from_managing_the_desktop | 18:29 |
| duno | guys, i need some help, please! how to set up ubuntu-mate to enable audio via hdmi on the rpi2/3?? | 18:37 |
| nomic | raspi-config | 18:39 |
| nomic | https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/audio-config.md | 18:40 |
| nomic | duno ^ | 18:40 |
| duno | nomic, have you ever tried "raspi-config" on ubuntu-mate? | 18:43 |
| ouroumov | duno, you can also browse the UM community forums, lots of people reporting problem with sound on rasp. Maybe you'll find a fix in there | 18:47 |
| nomic | no | 18:50 |
| duno | ouroumov, the problem is "ubuntu" (mate, lubuntu ans xubuntu) on the rpi 2/3 without any solution. xbian, also on 4.4.8+ is working fine on the rpi 2/3 with audio via hdmi. but for ubuntu, there is no solution to fix that problem ... therefore i am asking here ... maybe to fix that problem. | 18:50 |
| nomic | try it (raspi-config) | 18:50 |
| duno | there is no raspi-config on ubuntu | 18:51 |
| nomic | go to forums, ask there | 18:51 |
| duno | what forum? | 18:51 |
| ouroumov | This one: https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/support | 18:51 |
| duno | you mean this: "https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hdmi-on-rpi-ubuntumate/1248" ? there is still no answer ... no about 15.10, nor 16.04 ... | 18:54 |
| duno | for that i "try" to find a solution "online" .... | 18:56 |
| ouroumov | duno, | 18:56 |
| duno | me 2 :( | 18:56 |
| ouroumov | No that's the nickname you're using dude | 18:57 |
| ouroumov | Anyway | 18:57 |
| ouroumov | duno, did you try and follow Wimpy's advice? https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hdmi-on-rpi-ubuntumate/1248/8?u=ouroumov | 18:57 |
| duno | i am using the same (working) config.txt from my xbian on the ubuntu device no luck :( | 18:59 |
| duno | both are using 4.4.8+ | 19:00 |
| ouroumov | Yeah | 19:00 |
| ouroumov | Well, if you have the time, you should post in this thread too | 19:00 |
| ouroumov | Sorry but if no one knows, I'm sure not gonna find out seeing I don't own a rpi. :x | 19:01 |
| duno | what do you need, the config.txt? | 19:01 |
| ouroumov | ? | 19:01 |
| ouroumov | No more like just post saying you're affected by this too | 19:01 |
| duno | /boot/config.txt | 19:02 |
| duno | ah, ok | 19:02 |
| ouroumov | duno, also you might subscribe to this bug tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1563112 | 19:03 |
| duno | i asked the guys in #xbian for help, but they say "sorry, this is #xbian, not ubuntu ..." :( | 19:03 |
| bennabiy | ouroumov: where is the bugtracker for mate-menu | 19:05 |
| duno | ouroumov, "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1563112" is analog audio, not audio via hdmi! | 19:07 |
| ouroumov | bennabiy, actually I'm not sure. One of https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-menus/issues | https://bitbucket.org/ubuntu-mate/mate-menu/issues?status=new&status=open | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate | 19:09 |
| Akuli | Which mate-menu? | 19:10 |
| Akuli | the mintmenu fork? | 19:10 |
| bennabiy | Akuli: yes | 19:11 |
| bennabiy | The "Advanced" one | 19:11 |
| Akuli | then you should see if mintmenu also has the problem | 19:12 |
| duno | ouroumov, i do not understand that the (audio-) mixer in ubuntu is not showing hdmi as an device, only bcm2835 Analog Stereo Output ... | 19:12 |
| bennabiy | Akuli: it does | 19:12 |
| bennabiy | but I did not have this issue until just recently | 19:13 |
| bennabiy | mintmenu the issue was python-xlib | 19:13 |
| Akuli | is it still using python 2? | 19:13 |
| bennabiy | but the mate-menu was working in 16.04 with the updated python-xlib so I think it is something else this time | 19:13 |
| Akuli | i thought all the mint stuff was moving to python 3 but no... | 19:13 |
| nomic | z.z.z. | 19:14 |
| bennabiy | rebooting | 19:15 |
| Akuli | right, their menu is still python 2 and gtk 2. | 19:16 |
| mortalius | hello all | 19:18 |
| duno | is there (here) a special channel for ubuntu and rpi 2/3? | 19:18 |
| ouroumov | hi mortalius | 19:20 |
| ouroumov | duno, not according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList | 19:21 |
| duno | ouroumov, i tired #xubuntu, #lubuntu, #ubuntu-mate and #ubuntu-arm ... but no answer ... | 19:24 |
| alkisg | duno: what do you want to ask about? | 19:25 |
| mortalius | question: On ubuntu-mate 16.04: I have a bug (?) on ctrl-a (selection) -> if the selection has a endline space caracteres , then the cursor go to begin line and no selected any word. | 19:25 |
| duno | alkisg, hdmi and audio on the rpi2/3 | 19:25 |
| mortalius | i see this behavior on several application ( pluma, hexchat ..) | 19:26 |
| mortalius | +s | 19:26 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, attempting to reproduce | 19:26 |
| alkisg | duno: you don't have audio? | 19:26 |
| duno | not via hdmi on ubuntu xyz | 19:27 |
| mortalius | ouroumov, note: i configure mate with software composing | 19:27 |
| alkisg | duno: there's a setting for that in config.txt, did you see that? | 19:28 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, I'm not sure I understand the problem, so I'm not sure I attempted to reproduce correctly, do you have a test file? | 19:28 |
| mortalius | "blabla blalblala" <- selection is correct but "blabla blalblala " (with space end caract) is bug | 19:29 |
| mortalius | with ctrl-a | 19:29 |
| duno | alkisg, as i wrote, i am using the same config.txt for ubuntu as i am using for xbian. but it is not working on ubuntu. | 19:30 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, it works fine on my setup (Marco+Compton) can someone else reproduce? | 19:30 |
| mortalius | hum, i test with compton | 19:30 |
| duno | ubuntu do not show the hdmi-audio output in the mixer ... | 19:30 |
| mortalius | ouroumov, i have the bug with compton | 19:31 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, what color scheme are you using in pluma? | 19:32 |
| duno | alkisg, i am using: gpu_mem_1024=256 | 19:32 |
| duno | gpu_mem_512=144 | 19:32 |
| duno | gpu_mem_256=100 | 19:32 |
| duno | initial_turbo=3 | 19:32 |
| duno | hdmi_ignore_cec_init=1 | 19:32 |
| duno | disable_overscan=1 | 19:33 |
| duno | disable_splash=1 | 19:33 |
| duno | hdmi_force_hotplug=1 | 19:33 |
| duno | hdmi_group=1 | 19:33 |
| duno | hdmi_drive=2 | 19:33 |
| duno | hdmi_mode=16 | 19:33 |
| duno | dtoverlay=lirc-rpi | 19:33 |
| duno | and this is working fine on xbian | 19:33 |
| mortalius | ouroumov, not only with pluma, also with hexchat, firefox . I think that is not specific to pluma | 19:33 |
| ouroumov | Yeah but I'd like to reproduce and the simplest to configure is Pluma I think | 19:34 |
| mortalius | ok | 19:35 |
| mortalius | the theme is tango | 19:35 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, and pluma version is 1.12.2? | 19:36 |
| mortalius | note, sorry for my bad english, | 19:36 |
| mortalius | yes, 1.12.2 | 19:36 |
| mortalius | with a clean install | 19:37 |
| mortalius | install time is 24h | 19:37 |
| ouroumov | From the 16.04 LTS release ISO? | 19:37 |
| mortalius | ans the update are ok | 19:37 |
| mortalius | ubuntu-mate iso | 19:37 |
| mortalius | 16.04 yes | 19:37 |
| ouroumov | Hmm, I updated my two machines from Beta 2 and I previously saw a bug only affecting me but not clean 16.04 installs. Maybe this is the reverse case. | 19:38 |
| duno | alkisg, any idea? | 19:38 |
| ouroumov | alkisg, Akuli, can one of you guys reproduce mortalius's bug? | 19:38 |
| mortalius | i test to change the layout keyboard, but i have the bug again | 19:39 |
| Akuli | probably not, i still haven't managed to install 16.04 | 19:39 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, what's weird is that CTRL+A is the traditional keybinding to go to the start of a line in console-based text editors | 19:40 |
| mortalius | ok | 19:41 |
| mortalius | nb: i don't change the shortcuts config | 19:41 |
| ouroumov | What Appearance theme are you using? | 19:42 |
| mortalius | hum, i see the same behavior with double clic mouse for selection | 19:42 |
| mortalius | the default theme | 19:43 |
| mortalius | ambiant-MATE | 19:43 |
| mortalius | i logout/login for make a test | 19:44 |
| mortalius | i re | 19:44 |
| ouroumov | mortalius: yeah, still can't reproduce. Maybe post about it on the community forums? | 19:44 |
| ouroumov | ok | 19:44 |
| mortalius | re | 19:45 |
| ouroumov | re | 19:45 |
| mortalius | hmu, i use parcellite ... | 19:45 |
| mortalius | i test without it | 19:46 |
| mortalius | oh yes | 19:46 |
| mortalius | parcellite is the problem | 19:46 |
| ouroumov | Nice | 19:46 |
| ouroumov | I mean, not nice of course | 19:46 |
| ouroumov | but well done locating the problem | 19:47 |
| mortalius | ;) | 19:47 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parcellite | 19:47 |
| mortalius | ok, i see | 19:47 |
| mortalius | and i search an another clipboard | 19:48 |
| duno | alkisg, do you now understand where the problem on the rpi2/3 with the hdmi-audio is? | 19:48 |
| duno | analog is working fine, but mixed or only hdmi is not working. | 19:49 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, I don't see a bug report matching your specific problem with parcellite, maybe you should start one? | 19:49 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, seeing you have a well reproducible problem, this could be useful I think | 19:49 |
| duno | bye all | 19:52 |
| ouroumov | bye duno | 19:52 |
| casa | hola | 19:57 |
| ouroumov | Hello casa | 19:58 |
| alkisg | ouroumov: no, I can't reproduce the issue mortalius reports | 20:06 |
| mortalius | ok, alkisg . I think to have to find the origin: parcellite. I write now a report | 20:07 |
| ouroumov | mortalius: thanks for doing that. :) | 20:08 |
| mortalius | it's normal . | 20:09 |
| mortalius | i try to write a correct msg in english ;) | 20:09 |
| casa | ourroumov hello | 20:14 |
| mortalius | re | 20:18 |
| mortalius | ouroumov, is it possible to re-read this report (http://pastebin.com/raw/0cPsN4Vg) for english correction ? | 20:20 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, one moment | 20:27 |
| bennabiy | aklisg: I am back now | 20:35 |
| alkisg | bennabiy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1568170 caused the regression that you see | 20:36 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, here: http://pastebin.com/YNDF3ub1 | 20:37 |
| alkisg | bennabiy: the .diff is there: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/254014318/mate-menu_5.7.0-1_5.7.1-1.diff.gz | 20:37 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: hrm... but the issue just showed up. | 20:37 |
| bennabiy | that is dated back in april | 20:38 |
| mortalius | ouroumov, oh, great ... a go to send the report ... thanks | 20:38 |
| alkisg | You can see the logic there, if all those synaptic etc packages are missing, button2 is not initialized and crashes | 20:38 |
| alkisg | flexiondotorg: ^ | 20:38 |
| alkisg | bennabiy: It takes some time to go through the -proposed queue | 20:38 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: got it | 20:38 |
| alkisg | Check your /var/log/apt/history.log | 20:38 |
| alkisg | You'll see the date when mate-menu was updated for you | 20:39 |
| alkisg | If you e.g. create a symlink from /usr/bin/synaptic to /bin/true, the menu won't crash anymore | 20:39 |
| alkisg | Mention the issue in that same bug report, that it caused this regression | 20:39 |
| bennabiy | no mention of mate-menu in there | 20:40 |
| alkisg | "add software boutique to the advanced mate menu" | 20:40 |
| alkisg | this doesn't mention the menu?!! | 20:40 |
| bennabiy | no, /var/log/apt/history.log | 20:41 |
| alkisg | Maybe it was rotated an is in history.log.1 or so? | 20:41 |
| alkisg | or some other .gz history | 20:41 |
| mortalius | ouroumov, i'm a very noob :/ --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parcellite/+bug/1466796 | 20:44 |
| mortalius | date : 2015-06-19 ... old report | 20:45 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: the only references to mate-menu in my history (of any type) is pre-install (dated 4-20) | 20:47 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: I am sure it is related, but I am not sure what would have just caused it to happen (I have logged out and back in a couple times today, and at the start of the day it worked) | 20:48 |
| alkisg | bennabiy: did you uninstall any of those packages? synaptic, boutique etc? | 20:49 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: I installed sysinfo | 20:49 |
| bennabiy | I just removed it | 20:49 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: changes recent https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8869659 | 20:52 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, do you have "trim whitespace" enabled? | 20:54 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, and when you hit ctrl+a, is it copied to the clipboard? | 20:55 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, I'm not sure this is the same bug which is why I didn't mention it earlier | 20:55 |
| alkisg | bennabiy: and you've logged out etc since yesterday, or do you stay logged in for days? | 20:56 |
| mortalius | ouroumov, possible, wait and see | 20:57 |
| ouroumov | mortalius, according to your conf, you don't have "synchronize" enabled | 20:57 |
| mortalius | yep | 20:57 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: Usually I stay logged in, but I have logged out and back in a couple times today | 20:59 |
| bennabiy | It is possible that I might be remembering wrong | 20:59 |
| bennabiy | Might have been yesterday | 21:00 |
| alkisg | bennabiy: anyway, I think the code is clearly broken, and it's easy to reproduce both the issue and the workarounds | 21:01 |
| alkisg | I don't think it's important for you to remember when it started happenning of if you logged out etc | 21:01 |
| alkisg | bennabiy, flexiondotorg, the previous code didn't have the issue because it only showed Button2 if one of those apps existed | 21:03 |
| alkisg | Now it's trying to show button2 even if no app exists, and crashes | 21:03 |
| bennabiy | alkisg: agreed | 21:07 |
| alkisg | If I don't forget about it, I'll attach a patch for that tomorrow | 21:09 |
| * alkisg waves | 21:09 | |
| * bennabiy waves | 21:09 | |
| festerB | hi all, I have an encrypted usb connected external backup hdd and a known password | 21:45 |
| festerB | thing is after upgrading from linux mint to ubuntu mate the password does not work | 21:46 |
| festerB | any clues? | 21:46 |
| ouroumov | festerB, hi | 21:49 |
| ouroumov | You're using the same keyboard layout? | 21:49 |
| festerB | ouroumov: pretty sure, yes, in any case the password is composed using chars from the lower part of the ascii table | 21:51 |
| ouroumov | festerB, that's a sensible measure. Is your UM system fully up to date? | 21:51 |
| festerB | ouroumov: UM sys? | 21:52 |
| ouroumov | Yes | 21:52 |
| ouroumov | I'm pretty sure ecryptfs was updated not too long ago | 21:52 |
| festerB | ouroumov: google's got nothing on "um system" ;) | 21:53 |
| ouroumov | Ubuntu MATE * | 21:54 |
| ouroumov | Sorry | 21:54 |
| festerB | ouroumov: heh, yeah my 16.04 mate is up2date | 21:54 |
| ouroumov | festerB, you still have a Mint ISO handy? If so have you tried to mount your drive from the live session? | 21:55 |
| festerB | ouroumov: I even booted into LM 17.3 with same results - yup | 21:56 |
| ouroumov | Well, crap | 21:56 |
| ouroumov | Did you print the recovery key when you set up the hdd? | 21:56 |
| festerB | ouroumov: nop, I don't remember coming across that option even | 21:57 |
| festerB | ouroumov: I now know there is a key and it's not the same as a password | 21:58 |
| ouroumov | yeah | 21:58 |
| ouroumov | I'm sorry festerB but I'm no expert and I've already asked you all the questions I could think of | 21:59 |
| TheMarius | is there a steam repository ? i get this annoying message about updating steam | 21:59 |
| festerB | ouroumov: ok, thx, I'm taking a new full backup now | 21:59 |
| TheMarius | didnt find any at google | 21:59 |
| mra_ | TheMarius: hmm.. isn't steam in some ubuntu repository.. let me check | 22:06 |
| TheMarius | it is | 22:07 |
| TheMarius | in the default | 22:07 |
| TheMarius | however the version isnt the latest obiosly | 22:07 |
| TheMarius | doesnt matter.. just wondered | 22:07 |
| mra_ | hmm | 22:07 |
| mra_ | i thought it has auto update too.. | 22:08 |
| mra_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve links a steam.deb | 22:11 |
| TheMarius | found a kdenlive repo ... im waiting for the GPU rendering there to work ... getting a gopro at some point in the future so i want kdenlive to edit videos | 22:11 |
| mra_ | http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb | 22:11 |
| mra_ | hmmh | 22:12 |
| TheMarius | ah tanx | 22:12 |
| TheMarius | it said "reinstall" | 22:12 |
| TheMarius | seems i have that version | 22:12 |
| mra_ | hmmh, but steam still wants you to update? interesting.. | 22:13 |
| TheMarius | anyway a amd x4 3.2 ghz with 8 gb of ram isnt exactly the best thing for video editing, but it should work | 22:13 |
| TheMarius | especially with gpu rendering | 22:13 |
| TheMarius | yep mra | 22:13 |
| TheMarius | another thing .. mate screensaver didnt work so i installed xscreensaver | 22:17 |
| SCHAAP137 | TheMarius, replace the Screensaver entry in your startup applications | 22:20 |
| SCHAAP137 | replace the mate-screensaver command with: xscreensaver -no-splash | 22:20 |
| TheMarius | done it .. it works fine but i just wondered if anyone else had the same problem | 22:21 |
| KerrMD | Would light-DM have an issue with transparency in Tilda? I've tried compiz as well as compton and no change. The window just turns black. | 22:29 |
| hid|ninja | hey | 22:33 |
| hid|ninja | how can i change marco transparency | 22:33 |
| kisb | marco? | 22:34 |
| KerrMD | As seen in Mate Tweak > Windows > Marco (Compton GPU compositor) | 22:36 |
| julio__ | boa noite | 22:39 |
| julio__ | testasndo | 22:39 |
| julio__ | boa noite | 22:40 |
| julio__ | boa noite | 22:40 |
| kisb | think you are interested in window border as seen in appearance > themes > customize | 22:41 |
| rajiv_ | i have just install gnome software in my ubuntu-mate 16.04. How it works? I mean its not doing anything. How do i make it work? | 23:39 |
| festerB | ok, it's do slow here at the mo ;) when i edit menus and tick show games it works but games do not show up and when i go back into edit menus it's gone | 23:46 |
| festerB | how can i get games to show up in the menu? | 23:46 |
| pilne | mine are showing up just fine (steam, quake, chocolate doom/doom2) | 23:56 |
| pilne | are you closing the "control center icon" with close or the x? | 23:57 |
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