[00:09] <TheMarius> just curious, is this for a home computer and what are you using it for?
[00:11] <Gallomimia> who mine? right now i'm simply trying to make it boot. the problem with my DNS system is i tunnel internet thru my laptop, since the wifi dongle i have is frosted flakes. the laptop doesn't forward DNS so after dhcp goes thru, i have to change the dns config to one layer up in NAT
[00:16] <TheMarius> but if you get it running, what are you going to use it for?
[00:18] <TheMarius> im just looking at getting my awsome ubuntu mate setup up to do something useful
[00:18] <TheMarius> got slow bandwith so i dont think fileserver is any point
[00:18] <TheMarius> maybe xmpp server is something to look into though
[00:19] <ouroumov> Hi Gallomimia
[00:20] <ouroumov> Maybe this'll help: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/the-ars-guide-to-building-a-linux-router-from-scratch/
[00:20] <Gallomimia> general desktop use, including gaming, personal serving, compiling... whatever
[00:20] <Gallomimia> it's fairly loaded. lots of drives
[00:21] <Gallomimia> tried ubuntu unity for a long while. that entire situation is a bit of a joke
[00:21] <TheMarius> all i have now is a 5 tb home network server, but as fast and stable this system is i want it to do more
[00:21] <Gallomimia> unity looks nice, but it runs like a damn brick
[00:21] <TheMarius> its on 24/7 anyway
[00:21] <Gallomimia> yeah. i prefer to leave mine on 24/7
[00:22] <Gallomimia> but the first incarnation it had an ATI card, with some kind of factory overclocked feature that didn't fit inside the normal drivers
[00:22] <TheMarius> this is the first distro that has been running flawless with my ATI card
[00:22] <Gallomimia> came with windows only drivers. if any program made the wrong call to the driver, the entire desktop environment crashed
[00:22] <TheMarius> im not sure what kind of magic they've done
[00:23] <Gallomimia> especially bitcoin miner program. which i was running just as an added heat source in my room ><
[00:24] <TheMarius> im not mining bitcoins, i want to do something for people for free
[00:24] <Gallomimia> had to shut it down to do anything with the system. and shutting it down triggered a crash. kinda contrairy to running a linux distro at all eh?
[00:24] <ouroumov> That's as good a reason as many lol
[00:24] <TheMarius> xmpp is a descent idea
[00:24] <TheMarius> but i know 0 about setting it up, which to get etc
[00:24] <Gallomimia> the jabber server?
[00:24] <TheMarius> xmpp shouldnt consume much bandwith either
[00:24] <TheMarius> yeah
[00:24] <Gallomimia> it *IS* a decent idea. but it's implemented with XML
[00:24] <Gallomimia> lame.
[00:24] <TheMarius> meaning?
[00:24] <Gallomimia> i was just talking with some folks in another channel for a game...
[00:25] <Gallomimia> irc is still here. not going away any time soon
[00:25] <TheMarius> eggdrop bot
[00:25] <Gallomimia> i figured xmpp would take off and we'd be using that instead of telephones or skype or anything
[00:25] <Gallomimia> one thing i'd like to set up is multiseat
[00:26] <TheMarius> thing is
[00:26] <Gallomimia> this thing has 2 monitors, and enough power to run 2 of any older game
[00:26] <TheMarius> when i ran linux mint for a few years i had only that one laptop
[00:26] <Gallomimia> play with a friend
[00:26] <TheMarius> i never experimented much with servers and networks
[00:26] <TheMarius> now i have this massive 5 tb desktop
[00:26] <Gallomimia> well, i've found out the hard way... there's but one way to learn those things
[00:26] <Gallomimia> to yes, experiment, and to also generate some kind of need to learn it
[00:27] <ouroumov> TheMarius, if you wanna do something for people for free... There's Boinc.
[00:27] <Gallomimia> my favorite communication protocol to date is mumble
[00:27] <Gallomimia> whats boinc?
[00:27] <TheMarius> never had a linux install that ran well on this until this ubuntu mate 16.04 ... therefore this is more interesting now ... and i love the way linux works, with mounting into directories etc
[00:27] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, distributed computing for research projects
[00:27] <Gallomimia> oh yeah
[00:27] <Gallomimia> neato
[00:27] <TheMarius> ouroumov, irc bouncer so i get banned? no thanks
[00:28] <ouroumov> Here's an example of project you can donate CPU time to: https://mindmodeling.org/
[00:28] <Gallomimia> like seti@home or protien folding, but for anything
[00:28] <ouroumov> TheMarius, I think you mistook what I was talking about xD
[00:28] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, yes
[00:28] <Gallomimia> TheMarius: first of all, it's not a bouncer, and second, they don't get you banned. in fact i'm using one now
[00:29] <Gallomimia> and since we're on the subject of drives
[00:29] <TheMarius> xmpp and a eggdrop bot are the 2 ideas i have
[00:29] <Gallomimia> i'd like to show off my rig:
[00:29] <Gallomimia> i've got 3x 2tb drives in a raid5
[00:29] <Gallomimia> and i've also got a single 3tb drive. i have a pair of those
[00:29] <TheMarius> owncloud was a good idea but this network is too slow.. if fiber ever gets here to farmville ill set that up
[00:29] <Gallomimia> but the other two sata ports on my board are populated with SSDs
[00:29] <alexei> nice rig
[00:29] <Gallomimia> whoa what
[00:29] <Gallomimia> what is owncloud?
[00:30] <Gallomimia> cause i've been wanting something named that for awhile
[00:30] <TheMarius> Gallomimia, like dropbox only with as much storage as you want
[00:30] <TheMarius> set up on your home server
[00:30] <Gallomimia> yeah awesome
[00:30] <Gallomimia> exactly what i want
[00:30] <alexei> wait what? is it free?
[00:30] <TheMarius> thumbs up for that
[00:30] <TheMarius> ofcourse.. you use your own diskspace
[00:30] <alexei> awesome
[00:31] <TheMarius> google it and get working then :) got the tip from someone here a couple of days ago
[00:31] <freakjota> hi alla
[00:31] <TheMarius> but with 3 mbit or what it is here, its useless
[00:31] <ouroumov> hi freakjota
[00:31] <alexei> lol
[00:32] <Gallomimia> yeah i've got less than that right now
[00:32] <alexei> i have 10 mbit.. but i have a crappy pc
[00:32] <Gallomimia> but soon i hope it'll be more
[00:32] <alexei> oh ok
[00:32] <Gallomimia> k. gotta get back to plowing food into my face. need my hands, so i watch TV
[00:32] <alexei> do u know how to quick search for apps in mate
[00:33] <alexei> ok
[00:35] <Gallomimia> who me? no
[00:36] <Gallomimia> barely used it. ran an install
[00:45] <TheMarius> 3 mbit is just enough to watch youtube in 480p
[00:45] <TheMarius> or netflix in "moderate" resolution
[00:45] <TheMarius> thats it
[00:46] <TheMarius> however its fine for me... i dont need more
[00:48] <TheMarius> just wonder what im going to use this server for, and the 5 tb of diskspace :/
[00:48] <TheMarius> must be something useful
[00:51] <TheMarius> actually i can hook up 2.5 tb more
[00:51] <TheMarius> which would make it 7.5 tb
[00:52] <TheMarius> im out of warez and that sort of things
[00:54] <ouroumov> TheMarius, you wanna find use for what, your disk space? Your Internet connection? Your CPU?
[00:57] <TheMarius> everything
[00:57] <TheMarius> server ideas basically
[00:58] <TheMarius> never mind... ill keep looking
[00:58] <ouroumov> So distributed computing for your CPU, such as seti@home, Seeding the ubuntu torrents for your bandwidth, And Incremental backup of your machines for the disk space
[00:59] <ouroumov> That'd me my go-to
[01:00] <TheMarius> k :) noted
[01:00] <Gallomimia> i know someone who plays with AI, neural nets
[01:01] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, gotta have a nice GPU for that
[01:01] <Gallomimia> actually he's got cpu cores galore
[01:01] <ouroumov> oh :o
[01:01] <ouroumov> Xeon-like?
[01:02] <Gallomimia> yeah i think so
[01:03] <Gallomimia> he told me the specs. E5 something something
[01:03] <Gallomimia> dual cpu, hexcore +HT
[01:03] <Gallomimia> can't remember exactly. reams of ram
[01:03] <ouroumov> Sounds expensive
[01:04] <shantorn> howdy ri
[01:04] <ouroumov> hi shantorn
[01:05] <shantorn> hi there
[01:05] <shantorn> i miss typed the entry sorry
[01:05] <shantorn> i usually just watch and learn
[01:06] <ouroumov> You're welcome to do so. xD
[01:07] <ouroumov> Though this is not an overly active channel so it might be a while till there's something worth watching x)
[01:08] <ouroumov> shantorn, you're a new Ubuntu MATE user?
[01:09] <shantorn> not really, been using it since 15.04, used to always use mint mate but i feel the ubuntu version is a bit nappier
[01:09] <shantorn> snapier
[01:09] <shantorn> and i have been using 16.04 since beta one and i just love the software boutique
[01:10] <ouroumov> Yeah, the "Welcome" thing as a whole is awesome
[01:13] <shantorn> i have to learn about the ubuntu way to set up my optimus graphic on my laptop
[01:13] <ouroumov> Holly crap: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/05/easily-exploited-bug-exposes-huge-number-of-sites-to-code-execution-attacks/
[01:19] <Gallomimia> i finally got my ubuntu mate install to boot, but it doesn't log in.
[01:19] <Gallomimia> typing the password causes some kind of flicker, and returns to the login screen
[01:19] <Gallomimia> i need some help getting resolvconf setup on command line. fix DNS
[01:21] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, you've asked on the forums yet?
[01:40] <Gallomimia> i shouldn't need to ask. there should be something i can find
[01:40] <ouroumov> shantorn, I remember seeing a few post about optimus on the forums
[01:41] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, you've managed to log in?
[01:41] <Gallomimia> sure. just press ctrl+alt+f1 and you get a text console
[01:42] <Gallomimia> not very helpful when trying to edit graphical based settings
[01:42] <ouroumov> So you should be able to interface with the network manager using nmcli
[01:42] <Gallomimia> ah that'll help yes
[01:42] <ouroumov> DNS resolving is set up automatically when using DHCP
[01:42] <ouroumov> Are you using static addressing?
[01:43] <Gallomimia> no. it sets up auto with dhcp
[01:43] <Gallomimia> but....
[01:43] <Gallomimia> the dns info it gets is dead wrong
[01:46] <ouroumov> And you're sure it's not your router's fault? :x
[01:46] <Gallomimia> i'm absolutely sure it's my router's fault
[01:46] <Gallomimia> you see my router is this laptop
[01:47] <Gallomimia> the wireless dongle i have for my desktop is absolute drek. so i tether it to this, which gives dhcp, but no dns
[01:47] <shantorn> thanks ouroumov
[01:47] <Gallomimia> yet it still passes a dns value of itself
[01:48] <Gallomimia> i really don't need to talk about networking theory. i just want to set the nameserver address
[01:48] <Gallomimia> why is it so hard??
[01:51] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, "nmcli c mod uuid +ipv4.dns 8.8.4.4"
[01:51] <Gallomimia> what's uuid?
[01:51] <ouroumov> Where uuid is obtained from the list "nmcli c show"
[01:53] <Gallomimia> ouroumov: there's no way i'm going to type all that out
[01:53] <ouroumov> Yeah, I feel your pain. I'm looking up the documentation for hints as to how to show the id for a connection
[01:55] <ouroumov> Error: invalid field 'id'; allowed fields: NAME,UUID,TYPE,TIMESTAMP,TIMESTAMP-REAL,AUTOCONNECT,AUTOCONNECT-PRIORITY,READONLY,DBUS-PATH,ACTIVE,DEVICE,STATE,ACTIVE-PATH. -_-
[01:56] <ouroumov> so yeah
[01:56] <Gallomimia> if i could just use some bash-fu to cut and paste that value in...
[01:57] <Gallomimia> fek it i'll just painstakingly type it all out
[01:57] <Gallomimia> no copy and paste for me...
[01:57] <ouroumov> VARIABLE=`nmcli c show | grep wlp2s0 | rev | cut -d' ' -f2 | rev`
[01:57] <Gallomimia> or, i could check some logs about why the GUI doesn't work
[01:57] <ouroumov> for the wlp2s0 interface
[01:58] <Gallomimia> not quite the name of mine but...
[01:58] <Gallomimia> might as well type out the uuid instead of all that :P
[01:58] <ouroumov> Sure, it'll be different based on your hardware
[01:58] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, I know right? x)
[01:59] <ouroumov> OH!
[01:59] <ouroumov> nmcli -f UUID c
[01:59] <Gallomimia> what's that do?
[02:00] <Gallomimia> anyway, i tried the first command. no luck
[02:00] <ouroumov> just prints the UUID, you can grep for the first characters then
[02:00] <Gallomimia> yeah neat
[02:01] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, the DNS command?
[02:01] <Gallomimia> still no dns
[02:01] <Gallomimia> yep.
[02:01] <ouroumov> Try and remove the "+", that way dns servs are replaced, not added to
[02:02] <Gallomimia> still nothing
[02:02] <Gallomimia> and it disturbs me that i can't seem to view the dns servers
[02:02] <ouroumov> ?
[02:03] <Gallomimia> i can't poll any system to find out what dns servers it's using?
[02:03] <ouroumov> hm, no idea
[02:04] <Nosophorus> Is there any problem if I install pppoeconf in Ubuntu MATE 16.04?
[02:05] <Gallomimia> that's funny. i can login just fine with a guest session
[02:05] <Gallomimia> the heck is up with that?
[02:05] <Nosophorus> I mean, could it conflict with any Internet connection configuration package?
[02:05] <Gallomimia> oh. i bet it's cause my home dir is populated with settings already
[02:06] <ouroumov> Nosophorus, you've got an old dls modem?
[02:06] <Nosophorus> ouroumov: This modem is a Thomsom Speedtouch
[02:07] <Nosophorus> Almost half a decade of use
[02:07] <ouroumov> Problem is whatever I can find online dates back to Ubuntu v9
[02:08] <ouroumov> I remember one dude on the forum mentioning pppoe and he had problems
[02:09] <Nosophorus> ouroumov: My worry is that pppoeconf may conflict with the nice and smooth app Xenial uses to connect and configure my connection.
[02:09] <Nosophorus> It simply runs smooth and by the numbers.
[02:10] <Gallomimia> it does?
[02:10] <Gallomimia> i've only been using mate for a half a day and i've found the default stuff conflicts with itself. i'm going to suggest gingerly that you'll be fine
[02:11] <Nosophorus> I don't know. I've just installed pppoeconf. I hope it doesn't.
[02:11] <ouroumov> Nosophorus, and obviously you're connected already, I don't understand very well what you want to do: set up a secondary connection using an old modem?
[02:12] <Nosophorus> ouroumov: I have been using pppoeconf since my first Ubuntu install (2007). I installed it just in case I need a backup method to configure my connection.
[02:12] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, I think your problem is with the Ubuntu base
[02:12] <ouroumov> Nosophorus, alright
[02:12] <Gallomimia> well see, the real problem i'm having is my old home still exists, with same uid and all the old files
[02:13] <Gallomimia> so it causes some bump when i try to login
[02:13] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, so why don't you move it?
[02:13] <Gallomimia> i'm just going to copy it all out of there
[02:13] <ouroumov> Yeah
[02:13] <Nosophorus> By the way, this new Ubuntu MATE 16.04 Xenial Xerus is much better than the previous LTS. The computer resources usage is pretty much optimized in this version.
[02:14] <Nosophorus> Chiefly the RAM usage has improved a lot.
[02:15] <ouroumov> Nosophorus, yeah there's been a lot of improvements
[02:15] <Gallomimia> there.
[02:15] <Nosophorus> One thing I'd like to see is the option to select the kind of world map used in the clock app.
[02:16] <ouroumov> Nosophorus, you should post your feedback in the forum
[02:16] <ouroumov> This place is more transient so your feature request will lack visibility here
[02:17] <Nosophorus> ouroumov: I'll do that. I taking note of everything I think would be useful and I'll show it to the Ubuntu MATE guys and gals.
[02:17] <ouroumov> ^^
[02:17] <Nosophorus> *I'm taking note.. .
[02:19] <Gallomimia> i got one question about ubuntu mirrors. my favorite mirror is missing from the list
[02:19] <Gallomimia> most of the packages that get fetched come from the same set as regular ubuntu tho. what gives?
[02:20] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, is that abnormal?
[02:20] <Gallomimia> nothing's normal. i'm using a completely new system
[02:21] <Gallomimia> but yeah. the mirror i used to use for ubuntu was in the same city as the HQ for my ISP
[02:21] <Gallomimia> fast didn't begin to describe it
[02:21] <Gallomimia> well, nothing's fast on this ISP. stupid dsl :(
[02:21] <Gallomimia> but the cable company... wow it would go
[02:22] <ouroumov> When you say "used to" we're talking what, last month?
[02:22] <Gallomimia> last time i had this system running. maybe 2 weeks ago
[02:22] <Gallomimia> for years
[02:23] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, last system was 16.04?
[02:23] <Gallomimia> no it was 14.04
[02:23] <Gallomimia> i'm consulting the site of the mirror now
[02:23] <Gallomimia> i think i'll drop them a mail
[02:25] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, maybe you can replace the mirror urls in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:25] <ouroumov> After having backed it up, oc
[02:25] <Gallomimia> maybe. i'll not worry about it for now since the default server is saturating my link anyway
[02:25] <Gallomimia> as i said, DSL sucks
[02:25] <ouroumov> Okay
[02:25] <Gallomimia> but i'll be moving back to my favorite ISP
[02:26] <Gallomimia> and their HQ is in the same city as this mirror. the network topology favors it for sure
[02:38] <Gallomimia> sweet. 16.04 has properly up to date nvidia drivers in the default repos
[02:38] <Gallomimia> and why is grub so.....
[02:38] <Gallomimia> graphic-y?
[02:39] <ouroumov> Yeah, well, it gets updated too
[02:40] <ouroumov> I don't really care for it
[02:42] <Gallomimia> me either. cause it hangs now that i've installed those drivers.
[02:42] <Gallomimia> ....why??
[02:42] <Gallomimia> it was working!
[02:42] <ouroumov> !
[02:43] <ouroumov> That can't be the driver's fault though
[03:14] <Gallomimia> i don't get it
[03:14] <Gallomimia> i didn't change much else. it froze on the unlock crypto screen
[03:14] <Gallomimia> oh. well i did install steam. and that came with a boatload of other stuff
[03:14] <Gallomimia> i seem to remember having a few odd grub options in my previous setup
[03:15] <ouroumov> What crypto system are you using? FDE or home folder encryption?
[03:15] <Gallomimia> fde
[03:15] <Gallomimia> my LVM is inside a luks contianer
[03:18] <Gallomimia> recovery mode worked
[03:18] <Gallomimia> wish i knew why...
[03:19] <ouroumov> Boy I don't think I've seen anyone have as much trouble with this than you
[03:19] <Gallomimia> pfft. this was nothing
[03:19] <Gallomimia> took me 6 months to get things to run at all
[03:20] <Gallomimia> putting it on a raid was kinda silly
[03:20] <Gallomimia> now i still have to involve the ssd's as cache and swap
[03:20] <Gallomimia> seems pointless to have a cache and a swap that aren't encrypted right?
[03:21] <Gallomimia> i mean, why bother to have crypto at all if there's an unencrypted disk right there with everything you need
[03:21] <Gallomimia> now. let's see if the second monitor will work
[03:22] <ouroumov> I find having a swap at all is pointless, but well that's just me
[03:44] <jaime> hola
[03:45] <jaime> mo puedo conectarme a internat via wifi, solo via cableado
[03:46] <ouroumov> hi jaime
[03:47] <ouroumov> jaime, I don't speak that language, sorry. But I get you have a wifi problem so do that:
[03:47] <ouroumov> jaime, type in a terminal opened with CTRL+ALT+T the command: "lshw -C network"
[03:48] <ouroumov> jaime, get from the output the wifi card model and driver
[03:48] <ouroumov> Then google "ubuntu <model> <driver>"
[03:51] <jaime> thanks , I 'm looking right now
[04:05] <Gallomimia> hey is there any simple undelete programs installed on MATE?
[04:05] <ouroumov> Not that I know of
[04:06] <Gallomimia> accidentally started an rm on the wrong steam folder
[04:06] <Gallomimia> it'd be better to undelete than redownload :/
[04:06] <Gallomimia> thought i saw one...
[04:07] <ouroumov> Filerecovery tools are never simple to use anyway
[04:07] <Gallomimia> yeah...
[04:09] <Gallomimia> wow i hate how steam does things
[04:10] <Gallomimia> i mean, they get the games working, but controlling things, settings, the UI, all of that is horrible.
[04:12] <Gallomimia> !@#!@
[04:12] <Gallomimia> so annoying.
[04:12] <Gallomimia> oh well. seems to be working
[04:13] <Gallomimia> ok what's with the window managers
[04:13] <Gallomimia> which are "good" which are bad?
[04:13] <Gallomimia> i changed it to compiz, but i think that's the reason i wanted to switch away from unity
[04:13] <ouroumov> Use Marco + Compton
[04:14] <Gallomimia> thx
[04:14] <ouroumov> It's not heavy on eye-candy but it does the job
[04:15] <Gallomimia> don't really need eye candy right?
[04:15] <ouroumov> yup
[04:15] <Gallomimia> what i need is for the fullscreen apps to work :P
[04:15] <ouroumov> That and vsync
[04:15] <ouroumov> Only reasons to use a compositor
[04:16] <Gallomimia> and now, i just want to turn off the workspaces. can you guide me to that?
[04:18] <ouroumov> Gallomimia, weird, but OK
[04:18] <ouroumov> You should have a workspace switcher applet in the lower panel, on the right
[04:18] <Gallomimia> having 2 monitors doesn't really lend itself well to using more than one workspace
[04:18] <Gallomimia> ah, preferences
[04:19] <Gallomimia> ound it
[04:19] <ouroumov> Right click preference -> Number of workspaces = 1
[04:19] <Gallomimia> great thanks
[04:19] <ouroumov> I have two monitors and 8 workspaces xD
[04:19] <Gallomimia> yeah i've tried a few systems with workspaces. it can be useful, but it sucks i find, if you want your chat on one screen and others...
[04:19] <Gallomimia> well maybe you can tell me how you work all that
[04:20] <ouroumov> Well my workspaces are basically zones in which I do stuff
[04:21] <Gallomimia> yeah i like that kind of thing
[04:21] <Gallomimia> i could get used to them
[04:21] <ouroumov> Programming area, ssh sessions area for server admin, webbrowsing, media, etc
[04:22] <Gallomimia> but i tend to use one of my monitors for dedicated things. like music, chat, steam window
[04:22] <Gallomimia> while my main monitor either has a game, or browser
[04:22] <Gallomimia> terminals can be either
[04:22] <Gallomimia> i'll try workspaces later sometime
[04:22] <Gallomimia> just because you said so :P
[04:23] <Gallomimia> can you lock certain windows or programs to all workspaces?
[04:23] <ouroumov> Yes
[04:23] <Gallomimia> that might become useful
[04:23] <ouroumov> Currently I have the IRC chat locked set so it follows the current workspace
[04:24] <Gallomimia> hm. need menu bar on both screens
[04:25] <ouroumov> I don't think you can do that in the current version of the OS
[04:26] <Gallomimia> that's too bad. i can't even seem to get it on my main monitor
[04:26] <Gallomimia> it was in monitors settings for ubuntu unity
[04:26] <ouroumov> Yeah it's in display settings
[04:27] <ouroumov> Oh actually I found a way to have other panels
[04:28] <ouroumov> It's not a clone though, it's a different panel
[04:28] <ouroumov> Right click on a panel and select "new panel"
[04:28] <Gallomimia> ah. neat
[04:28] <ouroumov> In panel properties set the orientation
[04:28] <ouroumov> Then uncheck "expand"
[04:29] <ouroumov> Then by grabbing the extremities of the panel, you can drag it where you want
[04:29] <Gallomimia> when i uncheck expand, there are no extremities, it disappears
[04:30] <Gallomimia> ah ok. before changing orientation i can move it to the other screen
[04:31] <Gallomimia> ok so i got a panel. i wonder if i can find some way to clone the contents of the other
[04:32] <Gallomimia> well, that's a lot of stuff to worry about another time i think
[04:32] <ouroumov> I don't think there's a way, you gotta duplicate the applets because they're assigned a panel
[04:32] <Gallomimia> i'll look into it another time
[04:35] <Gallomimia> there's a lot to set up!
[04:37] <Gallomimia> quassel! now i can type on my better machine.
[04:38] <Gallomimia> yeah things are much better
[04:39] <Gallomimia> heh. nuked a couple games :/
[05:06] <Gallomimia> well thanks for chatting with me ouroumov. for the time being it seems things are working. tho i had to use recovery mode to boot.
[05:07] <ouroumov> yeah
[05:07] <ouroumov> I'm curious to know how that's even working
[05:07] <Gallomimia> oh yeah me too
[05:07] <ouroumov> I mean point of FDE is that it's not possible to bypass
[05:08] <Gallomimia> oh, it asks me to unlock it in the old text version
[05:08] <ouroumov> ah
[05:08] <Gallomimia> before it even gets to the recovery menu. then i select boot as normal
[05:08] <Gallomimia> i mean.... i haven't tried rebooting since then
[05:08] <ouroumov> Did you do a full system update / upgrade?
[05:14] <Gallomimia> fresh install
[05:14] <Gallomimia> on a new LVM
[05:14] <Gallomimia> so, i still have the old one, but it didn't work
[05:14] <Gallomimia> gave up on fixing it and decided well, 16.04 is out
[05:14] <Gallomimia> then i started thinking about my dissatisfaction with unity and musings about it in other channels
[05:15] <Gallomimia> thought, hey i'll try a different flavor while i'm at it
[05:15] <Gallomimia> and here i am
[06:38] <savalan> hello there
[06:38] <savalan> i have a question
[06:39] <savalan> is there anyone to help me please on ubuntu mate
[06:44] <savalan> hello lichen
[06:44] <savalan> how are you
[06:46] <savalan> too bad
[08:35] <fogar> sabe alguien  resolver  problemas  audio  en  mac ppc g5?
[08:36] <alkisg> !english
[08:37] <fogar> tengo mate 16 ppc  y me  encanta ,ok
[08:39] <fogar> You know someone solve audio problems ppc mac g5?
[08:39] <fogar> I kill 16 ppc and love, ok
[08:41] <fogar> I have a 2 screen television 32 'and the colors are distorted, be a solution? thank you very much
[08:42] <alkisg> fogar: what's the output of this command?
[08:42] <alkisg> xrandr
[08:42] <alkisg> Put it in pastebin...
[08:44] <fogar> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2640 x 1024, maximum 4096 x 4096
[08:44] <fogar> DVI-I-1 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 340mm x 270mm
[08:44] <fogar>    1280x1024     75.02*+  60.02
[08:44] <fogar>    1024x768      75.08    70.07    60.00
[08:44] <fogar>    832x624       74.55
[08:44] <fogar>    800x600       72.19    75.00    60.32    56.25
[08:44] <fogar>    640x480       75.00    72.81    66.67    60.00
[08:44] <fogar>    720x400       70.08
[08:44] <fogar> DVI-I-2 connected 1360x768+1280+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 160mm x 90mm
[08:44] <fogar>    1360x768      60.02*+
[08:44] <fogar>    1280x720      60.00    50.00    59.94
[08:44] <fogar>    1024x768      60.00
[08:44] <fogar>    800x600       60.32
[08:44] <fogar>    720x576       50.00
[08:44] <fogar>    720x480       60.00    59.94
[08:44] <fogar>    640x480       60.00    59.94
[08:44] <fogar>    720x400       70.08
[08:44] <alkisg> Use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:45] <fogar> problen  is dvi-i-2
[08:45] <mate|7315> hi! please how to launch an application "undecorated" (i mean avoiding to see the window and scroll bars) and in a fixed position on the screen?
[08:45] <mate|7315> via command line?
[09:15] <valtteri_> Hey guys! Just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04. I had 15.10 before, but I had messed around too much, so better start over fresh. That's why I have a few questions - if you don't mind - before I mess things up again... I use Plank and Topmenu, as I'm used to OS X, but they both have something wrong this time. Plank is missing settings file, so I can't set ShowDockItem=false. And Topmenu has no mozilla plug-in installed. How can
[09:15] <valtteri_> I fix these, and should I be worried something else, maybe more critical is missing too?
[09:16] <valtteri_> Or Mozilla has no Topmenu plug-in, maybe that way... :P
[09:23] <mra_> valtteri_: hmm, never heard of plank or topmenu, but good luck with that
[09:53] <jeff_> hi
[09:54] <Guest5968> hi
[13:54] <gordonjcp> dammit guys
[13:54] <gordonjcp> it's May now
[13:54] <gordonjcp> why isn't there a 16.10 alpha out yet?
[13:55] <ouroumov_> You can use the daily build gordonjcp :D
[13:56] <gordonjcp> yay
[13:57] <gordonjcp> it's more fun when everything's on fire
[14:13] <erkan^> gordonjcp and ouroumov_ , can you research: which is the faster: Firefox or Chromium? I had often problem with Firefox, because Firefox open and lading is slow. With Chromium is faster. I don't understand how cna that.
[14:15] <ouroumov_> r
[14:15] <gordonjcp> o_O
[14:19] <ouroumov_> erkan^, I don't use Chromium
[14:19] <erkan^> Can you test Chromium, ouroumov_ ?
[14:19] <erkan^> CHromium is in software centre
[14:19] <ouroumov_> What I know of Chromium is that it uses one separated Process or Thread (not sure which) per tab
[14:20] <ouroumov_> erkan^, sorry I don't want to
[14:21] <erkan^> Ok, I am curious to users of Ubuntu MATE which browser is the faster, ouroumov_
[14:22] <gordonjcp> erkan^: I have done some research
[14:22] <gordonjcp> erkan^: Chromium is faster
[14:22] <gordonjcp> erkan^: this guy on IRC said it seemed to be faster
[14:24] <erkan^> Yes, I don't understand how can that Firefox is slow, gordonjcp
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[14:24] <gordonjcp> damned if I know
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[14:24] <gordonjcp> 15:13 < erkan^> gordonjcp and ouroumov_ , can you research: which is the  faster: Firefox or Chromium? I had often problem with Firefox,  because Firefox open and lading is slow. With Chromium is  faster. I don't understand how cna that.
[14:25] <gordonjcp> ^ that guy says Chromium is faster
[14:25] <ouroumov_> This is the guy.
[14:25] <ouroumov_> xD
[14:25] <gordonjcp> ouroumov_: I didn't say I did particularly exhaustive research
[14:27] <michael_> hi
[14:28] <erkan^> Goodafternoon sir Michael_
[14:30] <michael_> i need some general help with the rpi3 and sound via hdmi. or is it still a bug?
[14:31] <michael_> found this: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hdmi-on-rpi-ubuntumate/1248/36
[14:31] <michael_> is it up to date?
[14:33] <erkan^> No idea?
[14:33] <erkan^> hi ubuntu-mate
[14:42] <vok`> erkan^: Hi.
[14:48] <erkan^> hi vok`
[15:05] <TheMarius> he's ubuntus best mate
[15:11] <giita> why would you use chromium if chrome is also in the software centre
[16:03] <hid|ninja> hey
[16:04] <hid|ninja> has someone ever installed mozjpeg?
[16:26] <Nosophorus> hello, guys
[16:26] <alkisg> Hello
[16:57] <TheMarius> ok any of you guys got movit to work in kdenlive?
[16:59] <gordonjcp> TheMarius: do you still need to compile from source?
[16:59] <TheMarius> i just installed the default kdenlive package from ubuntu repositories
[17:00] <TheMarius> havent done anything else
[17:00] <gordonjcp> the movit website suggests it's still pretty experimental
[17:02] <TheMarius> yeah
[17:03] <MrBIOS> hi folks, I am experiencing a problem with gvfsd-smb-browse proess taking up 100% of CPU on initial log-on (in this case it’s on PowerPC), and was wondering if anyone here knew if that was a known issue on 16.04
[17:03] <TheMarius> however if im to use this old crap pc for video editing i think i should get it enabled
[17:03] <ouroumov> MrBIOS!
[17:03] <TheMarius> its an old amd x4 3.2ghz clocked to 3.5ghz with 8 gig ram
[17:03] <ouroumov> MrBIOS, this is a know issue. There's a bug report on launchpad, lemme get that for you.
[17:04] <MrBIOS> great, I’d like to subscribe to it
[17:04] <ouroumov> MrBIOS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1409032
[17:04] <MrBIOS> thanks a bunch
[17:05] <ouroumov> MrBIOS: Thank you man. The more people marking themselves as "affected", the faster it'll be solved.
[17:07] <MrBIOS> ouroumov: done, bug heat is already at 100
[17:09] <ouroumov> :]
[17:20] <erkan^> wow Claws Mail is faster than Thunderbird
[17:21] <erkan^> I think that Mozilla has very problem now.
[17:21] <swift110> hey all
[17:23] <erkan^> hi swift110
[17:23] <erkan^> :)
[17:23] <swift110> how are you erkan^
[17:24] <erkan^> I am fine and you too?
[17:28] <erkan^> Claws Mail is new for me, i am tried or I like this. swift110
[17:33] <swift110> oh ok
[17:34] <hid|ninja> erkan^: have you used thunderbird before?
[17:34] <hid|ninja> it seems its development by mozilla will stop soon
[17:35] <hid|ninja> i also need an alternative :>
[17:36] <chiel> hi
[17:38] <erkan^> Yes sure and that is right, hid|ninja
[17:38] <erkan^> You can try with Claws Mail, hid|ninja
[17:38] <bennabiy> I just rebooted and my Advanced menu disappeared
[17:39] <bennabiy> I had this happen as a result of python-xlib in linuxmint 17.3 but just had it happen in 16.04
[17:39] <erkan^> Or you can look in Software Center: Search: Mail, than you get a list of Mail, hid|ninja
[17:49] <ouroumov> Hey bennabiy
[17:49] <bennabiy> ouroumov: hi
[17:49] <ouroumov> bennabiy, maybe you can report it as an issue on mate-menu then?
[17:51] <ouroumov> hid|ninja, "no longer in dev" does not mean "no longer supported"
[17:52] <bennabiy> ouroumov: thank you.
[17:53] <hid|ninja> ouroumov: i trust mozilla
[17:53] <Dackel> Hi,how can i change the file manager?
[17:53] <hid|ninja> Dackel: try thunar, very good fm
[18:07] <ouroumov> Hi Dackel. Some dude on the forum replaced Caja with something else, maybe you can adapt his steps for the file manager you want: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/use-nemo-instead-of-caja-updated-for-xenial/4124/3
[18:07] <Dackel> i decided to use gnome commander,but how i can change the settings to start gnome commander instead caja?
[18:09] <Dackel> ouroumov, thanks
[18:21] <Akuli> you mean for the desktop icons
[18:21] <Akuli> ?
[18:21] <Akuli> first you'd disable caja's desktop icons, then enable gnome commander's desktop icons :)
[18:28] <Dackel> thx Akuli
[18:28] <Akuli> arch wiki mentions disabling caja's desktop icons
[18:29] <Dackel> thank
[18:29] <Akuli> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MATE#Prevent_Caja_from_managing_the_desktop
[18:37] <duno> guys, i need some help, please! how to set up ubuntu-mate to enable audio via hdmi on the rpi2/3??
[18:39] <nomic> raspi-config
[18:40] <nomic> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/audio-config.md
[18:40] <nomic> duno ^
[18:43] <duno> nomic, have you ever tried "raspi-config" on ubuntu-mate?
[18:47] <ouroumov> duno, you can also browse the UM community forums, lots of people reporting problem with sound on rasp. Maybe you'll find a fix in there
[18:50] <nomic> no
[18:50] <duno> ouroumov, the problem is "ubuntu" (mate, lubuntu ans xubuntu) on the rpi 2/3 without any solution. xbian, also on 4.4.8+ is working fine on the rpi 2/3 with audio via hdmi. but for ubuntu, there is no solution to fix that problem ... therefore i am asking here ... maybe to fix that problem.
[18:50] <nomic> try it (raspi-config)
[18:51] <duno> there is no raspi-config on ubuntu
[18:51] <nomic> go to forums, ask there
[18:51] <duno> what forum?
[18:51] <ouroumov> This one: https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/support
[18:54] <duno> you mean this: "https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hdmi-on-rpi-ubuntumate/1248" ? there is still no answer ... no about 15.10, nor 16.04 ...
[18:56] <duno> for that i "try" to find a solution "online" ....
[18:56] <ouroumov> duno,
[18:56] <duno> me 2 :(
[18:57] <ouroumov> No that's the nickname you're using dude
[18:57] <ouroumov> Anyway
[18:57] <ouroumov> duno, did you try and follow Wimpy's advice? https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hdmi-on-rpi-ubuntumate/1248/8?u=ouroumov
[18:59] <duno> i am using the same (working) config.txt from my xbian on the ubuntu device no luck :(
[19:00] <duno> both are using 4.4.8+
[19:00] <ouroumov> Yeah
[19:00] <ouroumov> Well, if you have the time, you should post in this thread too
[19:01] <ouroumov> Sorry but if no one knows, I'm sure not gonna find out seeing I don't own a rpi. :x
[19:01] <duno> what do you need, the config.txt?
[19:01] <ouroumov> ?
[19:01] <ouroumov> No more like just post saying you're affected by this too
[19:02] <duno> /boot/config.txt
[19:02] <duno> ah, ok
[19:03] <ouroumov> duno, also you might subscribe to this bug tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1563112
[19:03] <duno> i asked the guys in #xbian for help, but they say "sorry, this is #xbian, not ubuntu ..." :(
[19:05] <bennabiy> ouroumov: where is the bugtracker for mate-menu
[19:07] <duno> ouroumov, "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1563112" is analog audio, not audio via hdmi!
[19:09] <ouroumov> bennabiy, actually I'm not sure. One of https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-menus/issues | https://bitbucket.org/ubuntu-mate/mate-menu/issues?status=new&status=open | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate
[19:10] <Akuli> Which mate-menu?
[19:10] <Akuli> the mintmenu fork?
[19:11] <bennabiy> Akuli: yes
[19:11] <bennabiy> The "Advanced" one
[19:12] <Akuli> then you should see if mintmenu also has the problem
[19:12] <duno> ouroumov, i do not understand that the (audio-) mixer in ubuntu is not showing hdmi as an device, only bcm2835 Analog Stereo Output ...
[19:12] <bennabiy> Akuli: it does
[19:13] <bennabiy> but I did not have this issue until just recently
[19:13] <bennabiy> mintmenu the issue was python-xlib
[19:13] <Akuli> is it still using python 2?
[19:13] <bennabiy> but the mate-menu was working in 16.04 with the updated python-xlib so I think it is something else this time
[19:13] <Akuli> i thought all the mint stuff was moving to python 3 but no...
[19:14] <nomic> z.z.z.
[19:15] <bennabiy> rebooting
[19:16] <Akuli> right, their menu is still python 2 and gtk 2.
[19:18] <mortalius> hello all
[19:18] <duno> is there (here) a special channel for ubuntu and rpi 2/3?
[19:20] <ouroumov> hi mortalius
[19:21] <ouroumov> duno, not according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[19:24] <duno> ouroumov, i tired #xubuntu, #lubuntu, #ubuntu-mate and #ubuntu-arm ... but no answer ...
[19:25] <alkisg> duno: what do you want to ask about?
[19:25] <mortalius> question: On ubuntu-mate 16.04: I have a bug (?) on ctrl-a (selection) -> if the selection has a endline space caracteres , then the cursor go to begin line and no selected any word.
[19:25] <duno> alkisg, hdmi and audio on the rpi2/3
[19:26] <mortalius> i see this behavior on several application ( pluma, hexchat ..)
[19:26] <mortalius> +s
[19:26] <ouroumov> mortalius, attempting to reproduce
[19:26] <alkisg> duno: you don't have audio?
[19:27] <duno> not via hdmi on ubuntu xyz
[19:27] <mortalius> ouroumov, note: i configure mate with software composing
[19:28] <alkisg> duno: there's a setting for that in config.txt, did you see that?
[19:28] <ouroumov> mortalius, I'm not sure I understand the problem, so I'm not sure I attempted to reproduce correctly, do you have a test file?
[19:29] <mortalius> "blabla blalblala" <- selection is correct but "blabla blalblala " (with space end caract) is bug
[19:29] <mortalius> with ctrl-a
[19:30] <duno> alkisg, as i wrote, i am using the same config.txt for ubuntu as i am using for xbian. but it is not working on ubuntu.
[19:30] <ouroumov> mortalius, it works fine on my setup (Marco+Compton) can someone else reproduce?
[19:30] <mortalius> hum, i test with compton
[19:30] <duno> ubuntu do not show the hdmi-audio output in the mixer ...
[19:31] <mortalius> ouroumov, i have the bug with compton
[19:32] <ouroumov> mortalius, what color scheme are you using in pluma?
[19:32] <duno> alkisg, i am using: gpu_mem_1024=256
[19:32] <duno> gpu_mem_512=144
[19:32] <duno> gpu_mem_256=100
[19:32] <duno> initial_turbo=3
[19:32] <duno> hdmi_ignore_cec_init=1
[19:33] <duno> disable_overscan=1
[19:33] <duno> disable_splash=1
[19:33] <duno> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[19:33] <duno> hdmi_group=1
[19:33] <duno> hdmi_drive=2
[19:33] <duno> hdmi_mode=16
[19:33] <duno> dtoverlay=lirc-rpi
[19:33] <duno> and this is working fine on xbian
[19:33] <mortalius> ouroumov, not only with pluma, also with hexchat, firefox .  I think that is not specific to pluma
[19:34] <ouroumov> Yeah but I'd like to reproduce and the simplest to configure is Pluma I think
[19:35] <mortalius> ok
[19:35] <mortalius> the theme is tango
[19:36] <ouroumov> mortalius, and pluma version is 1.12.2?
[19:36] <mortalius> note, sorry for my bad english,
[19:36] <mortalius> yes, 1.12.2
[19:37] <mortalius> with a clean install
[19:37] <mortalius> install time is 24h
[19:37] <ouroumov> From the 16.04 LTS release ISO?
[19:37] <mortalius> ans the update are ok
[19:37] <mortalius> ubuntu-mate iso
[19:37] <mortalius> 16.04 yes
[19:38] <ouroumov> Hmm, I updated my two machines from Beta 2 and I previously saw a bug only affecting me but not clean 16.04 installs. Maybe this is the reverse case.
[19:38] <duno> alkisg, any idea?
[19:38] <ouroumov> alkisg, Akuli, can one of you guys reproduce mortalius's bug?
[19:39] <mortalius> i  test to change the layout keyboard, but i have the bug again
[19:39] <Akuli> probably not, i still haven't managed to install 16.04
[19:40] <ouroumov> mortalius, what's weird is that CTRL+A is the traditional keybinding to go to the start of a line in console-based text editors
[19:41] <mortalius> ok
[19:41] <mortalius> nb: i don't change the shortcuts config
[19:42] <ouroumov> What Appearance theme are you using?
[19:42] <mortalius> hum, i see the same behavior with double clic mouse for selection
[19:43] <mortalius> the default theme
[19:43] <mortalius> ambiant-MATE
[19:44] <mortalius> i logout/login for make a test
[19:44] <mortalius> i re
[19:44] <ouroumov> mortalius: yeah, still can't reproduce. Maybe post about it on the community forums?
[19:44] <ouroumov> ok
[19:45] <mortalius> re
[19:45] <ouroumov> re
[19:45] <mortalius> hmu, i use parcellite ...
[19:46] <mortalius> i test without it
[19:46] <mortalius> oh yes
[19:46] <mortalius> parcellite is the problem
[19:46] <ouroumov> Nice
[19:46] <ouroumov> I mean, not nice of course
[19:47] <ouroumov> but well done locating the problem
[19:47] <mortalius> ;)
[19:47] <ouroumov> mortalius, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parcellite
[19:47] <mortalius> ok, i see
[19:48] <mortalius> and i search an another clipboard
[19:48] <duno> alkisg, do you now understand where the problem on the rpi2/3 with the hdmi-audio is?
[19:49] <duno> analog is working fine, but mixed or only hdmi is not working.
[19:49] <ouroumov> mortalius, I don't see a bug report matching your specific problem with parcellite, maybe you should start one?
[19:49] <ouroumov> mortalius, seeing you have a well reproducible problem, this could be useful I think
[19:52] <duno> bye all
[19:52] <ouroumov> bye duno
[19:57] <casa> hola
[19:58] <ouroumov> Hello casa
[20:06] <alkisg> ouroumov: no, I can't reproduce the issue mortalius reports
[20:07] <mortalius> ok, alkisg . I think to have to find the origin: parcellite. I write now a report
[20:08] <ouroumov> mortalius: thanks for doing that. :)
[20:09] <mortalius> it's normal .
[20:09] <mortalius> i try to write a correct msg in english ;)
[20:14] <casa> ourroumov hello
[20:18] <mortalius> re
[20:20] <mortalius> ouroumov, is it possible to re-read this report (http://pastebin.com/raw/0cPsN4Vg) for english correction ?
[20:27] <ouroumov> mortalius, one moment
[20:35] <bennabiy> aklisg: I am back now
[20:36] <alkisg> bennabiy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1568170 caused the regression that you see
[20:37] <ouroumov> mortalius, here: http://pastebin.com/YNDF3ub1
[20:37] <alkisg> bennabiy: the .diff is there: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/254014318/mate-menu_5.7.0-1_5.7.1-1.diff.gz
[20:37] <bennabiy> alkisg: hrm... but the issue just showed up.
[20:38] <bennabiy> that is dated back in april
[20:38] <mortalius> ouroumov, oh, great ... a go to send the report ... thanks
[20:38] <alkisg> You can see the logic there, if all those synaptic etc packages are missing, button2 is not initialized and crashes
[20:38] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: ^
[20:38] <alkisg> bennabiy:  It takes some time to go through the -proposed queue
[20:38] <bennabiy> alkisg: got it
[20:38] <alkisg> Check your /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:39] <alkisg> You'll see the date when mate-menu was updated for you
[20:39] <alkisg> If you e.g. create a symlink from /usr/bin/synaptic to /bin/true, the menu won't crash anymore
[20:39] <alkisg> Mention the issue in that same bug report, that it caused this regression
[20:40] <bennabiy> no mention of mate-menu in there
[20:40] <alkisg> "add software boutique to the advanced mate menu"
[20:40] <alkisg> this doesn't mention the menu?!!
[20:41] <bennabiy> no, /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:41] <alkisg> Maybe it was rotated an is in history.log.1 or so?
[20:41] <alkisg> or some other .gz history
[20:44] <mortalius> ouroumov, i'm a very noob :/ --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parcellite/+bug/1466796
[20:45] <mortalius> date : 2015-06-19 ... old report
[20:47] <bennabiy> alkisg: the only references to mate-menu in my history (of any type) is pre-install (dated 4-20)
[20:48] <bennabiy> alkisg: I am sure it is related, but I am not sure what would have just caused it to happen (I have logged out and back in a couple times today, and at the start of the day it worked)
[20:49] <alkisg> bennabiy: did you uninstall any of those packages? synaptic, boutique etc?
[20:49] <bennabiy> alkisg: I installed sysinfo
[20:49] <bennabiy> I just removed it
[20:52] <bennabiy> alkisg: changes recent https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8869659
[20:54] <ouroumov> mortalius, do you have "trim whitespace" enabled?
[20:55] <ouroumov> mortalius, and when you hit ctrl+a, is it copied to the clipboard?
[20:55] <ouroumov> mortalius, I'm not sure this is the same bug which is why I didn't mention it earlier
[20:56] <alkisg> bennabiy: and you've logged out etc since yesterday, or do you stay logged in for days?
[20:57] <mortalius> ouroumov, possible, wait and see
[20:57] <ouroumov> mortalius, according to your conf, you don't have "synchronize" enabled
[20:57] <mortalius> yep
[20:59] <bennabiy> alkisg: Usually I stay logged in, but I have logged out and back in a couple times today
[20:59] <bennabiy> It is possible that I might be remembering wrong
[21:00] <bennabiy> Might have been yesterday
[21:01] <alkisg> bennabiy: anyway, I think the code is clearly broken, and it's easy to reproduce both the issue and the workarounds
[21:01] <alkisg> I don't think it's important for you to remember when it started happenning of if you logged out etc
[21:03] <alkisg> bennabiy, flexiondotorg, the previous code didn't have the issue because it only showed Button2 if one of those apps existed
[21:03] <alkisg> Now it's trying to show button2 even if no app exists, and crashes
[21:07] <bennabiy> alkisg: agreed
[21:09] <alkisg> If I don't forget about it, I'll attach a patch for that tomorrow
[21:09]  * alkisg waves
[21:09]  * bennabiy waves
[21:45] <festerB> hi all, I have an encrypted usb connected external backup hdd and a known password
[21:46] <festerB> thing is after upgrading from linux mint to ubuntu mate the password does not work
[21:46] <festerB> any clues?
[21:49] <ouroumov> festerB, hi
[21:49] <ouroumov> You're using the same keyboard layout?
[21:51] <festerB> ouroumov: pretty sure, yes, in any case the password is composed using chars from the lower part of the ascii table
[21:51] <ouroumov> festerB, that's a sensible measure. Is your UM system fully up to date?
[21:52] <festerB> ouroumov: UM sys?
[21:52] <ouroumov> Yes
[21:52] <ouroumov> I'm pretty sure ecryptfs was updated not too long ago
[21:53] <festerB> ouroumov: google's got nothing on "um system" ;)
[21:54] <ouroumov> Ubuntu MATE *
[21:54] <ouroumov> Sorry
[21:54] <festerB> ouroumov: heh, yeah my 16.04 mate is up2date
[21:55] <ouroumov> festerB, you still have a Mint ISO handy? If so have you tried to mount your drive from the live session?
[21:56] <festerB> ouroumov: I even booted into LM 17.3 with same results - yup
[21:56] <ouroumov> Well, crap
[21:56] <ouroumov> Did you print the recovery key when you set up the hdd?
[21:57] <festerB> ouroumov: nop, I don't remember coming across that option even
[21:58] <festerB> ouroumov: I now know there is a key and it's not the same as a password
[21:58] <ouroumov> yeah
[21:59] <ouroumov> I'm sorry festerB but I'm no expert and I've already asked you all the questions I could think of
[21:59] <TheMarius> is there a steam repository ? i get this annoying message about updating steam
[21:59] <festerB> ouroumov: ok, thx, I'm taking a new full backup now
[21:59] <TheMarius> didnt find any at google
[22:06] <mra_> TheMarius: hmm.. isn't steam in some ubuntu repository.. let me check
[22:07] <TheMarius> it is
[22:07] <TheMarius> in the default
[22:07] <TheMarius> however the version isnt the latest obiosly
[22:07] <TheMarius> doesnt matter.. just wondered
[22:07] <mra_> hmm
[22:08] <mra_> i thought it has auto update too..
[22:11] <mra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve links a steam.deb
[22:11] <TheMarius> found a kdenlive repo ... im waiting for the GPU rendering there to work ... getting a gopro at some point in the future so i want kdenlive to edit videos
[22:11] <mra_> http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb
[22:12] <mra_> hmmh
[22:12] <TheMarius> ah tanx
[22:12] <TheMarius> it said "reinstall"
[22:12] <TheMarius> seems i have that version
[22:13] <mra_> hmmh, but steam still wants you to update? interesting..
[22:13] <TheMarius> anyway a amd x4 3.2 ghz with 8 gb of ram isnt exactly the best thing for video editing, but it should work
[22:13] <TheMarius> especially with gpu rendering
[22:13] <TheMarius> yep mra
[22:17] <TheMarius> another thing .. mate screensaver didnt work so i installed xscreensaver
[22:20] <SCHAAP137> TheMarius, replace the Screensaver entry in your startup applications
[22:20] <SCHAAP137> replace the mate-screensaver command with: xscreensaver -no-splash
[22:21] <TheMarius> done it .. it works fine but i just wondered if anyone else had the same problem
[22:29] <KerrMD> Would light-DM have an issue with transparency in Tilda? I've tried compiz as well as compton and no change. The window just turns black.
[22:33] <hid|ninja> hey
[22:33] <hid|ninja> how can i change marco transparency
[22:34] <kisb> marco?
[22:36] <KerrMD> As seen in Mate Tweak > Windows > Marco (Compton GPU compositor)
[22:39] <julio__> boa noite
[22:39] <julio__> testasndo
[22:40] <julio__> boa noite
[22:40] <julio__> boa noite
[22:41] <kisb> think you are interested in window border as seen in appearance > themes > customize
[23:39] <rajiv_> i have just install gnome software in my ubuntu-mate 16.04. How it works? I mean its not doing anything. How do i make it work?
[23:46] <festerB> ok, it's do slow here at the mo ;) when i edit menus and tick show games it works but games do not show up and when i go back into edit menus it's gone
[23:46] <festerB> how can i get games to show up in the menu?
[23:56] <pilne> mine are showing up just fine (steam, quake, chocolate doom/doom2)
[23:57] <pilne> are you closing the "control center icon" with close or the x?