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constntsnapcraft13:48
CrookedHillarywhat is this room for16:04
anicknameHello. How is everyone?16:12
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AuroraAvenueHi Mark :)16:47
AuroraAvenuehttp://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1605-mark-shuttleworths-qa16:50
AuroraAvenueIs this starting now ?17:00
AuroraAvenueMaybe it's at 7pm GMT ?17:05
ventricalg'day evryone:)17:28
popeyYo yo!17:30
mcphailI presume it is OK to lurk in here without registering for UOS?17:30
ventricalyep .. thats me :)17:30
Sanjayhi17:31
ventricalhi Sanjay17:31
AuroraAvenueHi popey, cheers for the edits.17:31
Sanjayare you mark17:31
ventricalno.... but he'll be here...17:32
Sanjaywhen17:32
AuroraAvenueMark usually appears as his own namer although his IRC comments never make it into logs ;-)17:32
ventricalbout 25 mins17:32
ventricalk .. got to finish lunch .. im starved..17:33
Sanjayventrical who are you17:34
AuroraAvenueDoing a hangout before the show if anyone's interested :) http://ow.ly/4nqrDT17:34
Sanjaysorry frnds i m new here please help me17:35
popeymcphail: sure17:35
AuroraAvenueSanjay: Just go here & wait 25 minutes :) http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22664/mark-shuttleworths-qa/17:35
mcphailpopey: ta17:36
ventricalSanjay  I am Dale Beaudoin ... team captian of Ubuntu Development version testing at ubuntuforums.org17:37
mcphailActually, do I have to register to see the live stream? Is the youtube window only active post hoc?17:37
popeyno17:38
ventricalit will just come up17:38
mcphailcool17:38
AuroraAvenueYeah, where's the tube video address ?17:38
popeyIt will appear at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22664/mark-shuttleworths-qa/17:38
ventricalits still early..17:38
Sanjayhello dale i m also a linux fan i love it from my heart. i also want to be a part of it. can you tell me how?17:40
ventricalnote : Ubuntu Development VersionTesting not to be confused with Canonical Q/A17:40
ventricalSanjay You can go to www.ubuntuforums.org and join up there . There are lots of help echos and forums and you do not have to be a member to get helps with all questions for ubuntu flavours.17:42
Sanjaythanks17:43
ventricalSanjay Ubutuforums also has extremely large knowledge base.17:44
Sanjayhow can i make career in linux17:45
popeyblimey, there's a lot of money related questions in there AuroraAvenue17:45
popeyand some dupes from our Q&A17:45
popeymaybe cover some other bases.17:45
popeyif people want to ask Mark questions, feel free to get them in early here, prefix with QUESTION: :)17:46
AuroraAvenuepopey, Put an 'X' next to the ones you don't count as 'tenable' and I shall delete them :)17:46
popeynah, I just won't use them17:47
popeyI think you can self edit your own questions17:47
dholbachgo go go!17:47
* popey tickles dholbach 17:48
* dholbach hugs popey 17:48
ventricalQUESTION: I don't mean to sound like a broken record but are we going to get snappy-personal-images soon? Thank you.:)17:49
popey:)17:50
mhall119wow, lots of questions already17:50
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ventricalI want snappy personal so bad I can tase it :)17:50
ventricalThanks Michael!17:51
zygaventrical: as soon as they are ready probably :)17:52
nhainesI just stickied a link to the Q&A video at /r/Ubuntu.17:55
ventricalzyga hehe  umm   I ws hoping for something more definitive. My apologies.. I just have high hopes and a difficult time to curb my enthusiasms:)17:55
mcphailQUESTION: Congratulations on making Ubuntu an innovative and exciting platform for development. Is there a plan to fully and comprehensively document the SDK, Mir and snappy? Just now, the documentation is not as good as competing projects17:55
zygaventrical: I'm sure we all do, I don't know anything more17:56
ventricalzyga .. thanks17:56
zygamcphail: we discussed documentation today and there are concrete plans to improve snappy and snapcraft docs17:56
mcphailzyga: brilliant17:56
AuroraAvenuenhaines: bit late - it was already in the 1st ten posts.17:57
zygamcphail: we also will gladly take contributions from the community so feel free to poke as in #snappy for concrete ideas17:57
mcphailzyga: smashing. The a great first step would be to flesh out the man page for "snap" on 16.04 desktop17:58
AuroraAvenuepopey, Good question - hope you get your "Ubuntu Mate" mentioning thingy17:58
zygamcphail: the manual page is automatically generated, I just had a look at it and it could use some love17:58
nhainesAuroraAvenue: "stickying" it makes it more visible and easier to find.  If you sticky it too early then everyone's asking for time zone conversions or complaining there's no video.17:58
mcphailzyga: :)17:58
mcphailzyga: it took me 2 days to realise it performed the same function as the "snappy" command on core ;p17:59
zygamcphail: it is the new incarnation of snappy command17:59
zygamcphail: I think this was discussed on the mailing list but I agree we can always use more visibility :)18:00
zygaok, time to start :)18:00
popeyGet yer questions in...18:02
popeyprefix with QUESTION: for maximum satisfaction18:02
t1mpdo I need to reload the page or should it start automatically?18:02
popeyit should18:02
rkwhy Ubuntu doesn't update like windows 1018:02
nhainesQUESTION: Would you visit space again in the future?  What is your favorite memory of Mir?18:02
zygaQUESTION: where do you see ubuntu in 5 years from now18:03
popeyrk: what? without asking, during presentations?18:03
nhainest1mp: if it says "Live stream is starting soon," you're all good.18:03
nhainespopey: that's the best way.18:03
t1mpnhaines: okay :)18:03
popey πŸ˜ƒ18:04
popeyor during weather reports on live TV18:04
justCarakasis it me or hasn't it started yet ?18:04
popeyjustCarakas: it is not you18:04
Amarhasnt started yet18:04
sebsebsebhi18:04
popey(on this occasion)18:04
popeyhello sebsebseb18:04
mcphailQUESTION: Deepmind has been give access to millions of patient records in the NHS. Is free/opensource software lagging behind the curve in healthcare? Do you have ambitions to change the situation? Where do you feel free solutions would be better?18:04
sebsebsebpopey: hi18:04
justCarakasnice addition popey :p18:04
nik011QUESTION: What is your favorite ubuntu touch app, what is your favorite ubuntu phone and what is your thoughts on the ubports project?18:04
ventricalwe want rocket man !!18:04
sebsebsebuh already questions and Mark isn't even there yet?18:04
Amardoesn't hurt to get ahead sebsebseb :)18:04
popeysebsebseb: it's all under control :)18:04
ventricalhere he is18:04
popeyfret ye not18:05
AuroraAvenuerefresh browsers - he's on ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5WArtEFaU18:05
erioit's connected18:05
dholbachgo go go! :)18:05
zygalive18:05
zygaworks!18:05
nhainessebsebseb: yes, that's how we don't have dead air.  ;)18:05
popey\o/18:05
justCarakasits live18:05
popeymhall119: i see you not him18:05
nhainesSlides?  Do we get to see his holiday photos?  :)18:05
popeyoh, okay now18:05
yahnQUESTION: The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project?18:06
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: Mark, what do you think about the Hud and how would you like it to be intergreated into unity8?18:06
mariogripQUESTION: are you coming to ubucon EU?18:06
Mister_QChloeWolfieGirl \o/18:06
mushroomshi all, is live?18:06
Amaryes18:06
mhall119can everyone see Mark's slides?18:06
zygayes18:06
nhainesmhall119: yes we can.18:06
AuroraAvenueyep.18:06
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: All ubuntu animals are fighting eachother, which wins?18:06
nhainesmushrooms: it's just started.18:06
erioyes! seeing Congratulations on 16.0418:06
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: Do you own a zoo, how do you get the ideas for version names?18:07
sebsebsebQUESTION: How do you come up with all those animal names for releases, been loads already, and should be more to come18:07
dobeyyes i see pixels18:07
erioI want to see answer to yahn question18:07
sebsebsebChloeWolfieGirl: h eh bet me to it :d18:07
justCarakas1so it is mate and not Ma Te ? :p18:07
dobeyChloeWolfieGirl: Clever Cthulhu wins18:07
popeyjustCarakas: it doesn't matter :)18:07
AmarQUESTION: Any ideas about what the new naming scheme be after 16.10?18:07
sebsebsebQUESTION: What happended to Ubuntu TV?18:07
ChloeWolfieGirlSebsebseb: I am the Hud and strange question Queen18:08
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Amarwhat the new naming scheme will be*18:08
popeysebsebseb: again?18:08
mushroomsQUESTION: is yakety yak name related to the "Capture the flag" movie?18:08
dobeyjustCarakas1: it's maht-ay, like yerba18:08
yahnQUESTION: Do you see Ubuntu for phones entering the conventional retail space (brick and mortar stores) within the next 12 months?18:08
dobeymushrooms: it's a song18:08
nhainesAmar: the naming scheme won't change after 16.10.18:08
Amarstill animals? :D18:08
erioQUESTION: The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project?18:08
mushrooms@dobey oh18:08
nhainesAmar: yup!  Starts over with "A".  :)18:08
sebsebsebQUESTION: What's your favourite open source event not including anything Ubuntu specific?18:08
Amarbrilliant thanks18:09
justCarakasQUESTION can you tell us something we don't know already :D18:09
mariogripQUESTION: are we getting an ubuntu watch?18:09
nhainesmariogrip: he said at UbuCon Summit no.  :)18:09
dobeynhaines: assuming ascii only18:09
superhamsteriOooo :(18:09
nhainesdobey: I already joked with someone about going to Greek letters.18:09
mushroomsQUESTION: what is your daily driver phone? is it ubuntu? and if so what are your favourite apps and scopes?18:09
sebsebsebQUESTION: Was going to space more exciting or more scary?18:09
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: When will you use unity 8 on desktop, also do you use ubuntu on the phone daily or do you still use alternatives like ios and android for apps and ideas?18:09
dholbachsnappy!18:10
dobeynhaines: well, can still be latin18:10
ogra_Schnaps !18:10
Amarlatin names could be great too18:10
dobeynhaines: plenty of accented chars in latin text languages :)18:10
yahnQUESTION: What major technological innovation are you hoping to see within the next 10 years?18:10
nhainesThey aren't usually "different" letters, though.  Depends on the language.  :)18:10
nhainesThey're not "different" in English.18:10
AuroraAvenueok18:11
mariogriplxd YEY, love it :D18:11
dobeynhaines: eh? Δ“ is not e :)18:11
kosiaraQUESTION: I'm very excited for Ubuntu Phone, Ubuntu Tablet and the new Unity 8 desktop. What's the priority of  the new Unity 8 compared to server, hypervisor etc... I'm a fan of snappy but would like to see the new 16.10 with Unity 8 as well.18:12
mushroomsQUESTION: will we see more ubuntu branded hardware on ubuntu store? like home routers, mice, shirts etc18:12
nhainesdobey: it is in English! :D18:12
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: If a snap doesnt work are you excited to beable to go β€œAwww snap”18:12
Amarlol18:12
dobeynhaines: nope. it is only the same for lazy people18:12
nhainesI've ruined like 5 different development environments, and they've all been lxc containers.  :D18:12
erioQUESTION: Will we see Ubuntu Software center rebuild to allow Snappy, and also things like Google Chrome and paind apps?18:12
nhainesdobey: nope, if you look at a dictionary, they're sorted in-line with others, as opposed to Spanish where "ll" is a separate letter under a whole different heading.18:13
erio*paid18:13
dobeyerio: gnome-software already supports snaps in 16.0418:13
eriodobey: only in unstable isn't ? And not like USC ...18:14
sebsebsebQUESTION: What kind of things do you tend to do in general, but away from technology?18:14
user20QUESTION: When do you think will ubuntu phone be popular enough, so that some big apps like netflix, whatsapp etc. will come to ubuntu phone?18:14
dobeyerio: 16.04 is not unstable. it's the latest lts release18:14
Sanjayhi mark18:14
mushroomsQUESTION: is canonical diversifying into foods? and how many ubuntu food trucks does canonical have18:14
erioQUESTION: Do you plan to use MS partnership to get us Microsoft Office or help Libreoffice to solve it's current bugs?18:14
nhainesMm, ketchup.18:15
erioyahn  !18:15
yahndamn18:15
yahnmy original question didn't make the cut :(18:15
erioI'm sad because it was my main doubt.18:15
mushroomsQUESTION: the snap is interesting but there is no simple way to make a snap from the SDK, what is your opinion about that? making things simpler18:16
mushroomsis dead? :/18:16
mushroomsuh, live now18:16
AmarQUESTION: How do you plan to top this year's MWC? :P18:16
nhainesyahn: carriers make those decisions and announcements, not Canonical.  So even if he knew he couldn't say.  :)18:16
Sanjayhi mark why you dont use facebook?18:17
yahnnhaines, that's true but isn't it up to Canonical to make the push to OEM's?18:17
erioQUESTION: Ubuntu Server is rock solid, a great piece of software and works great on AWS and other providers. Will you return attention to the Desktop now?18:17
ogra_Xbox !!!!18:17
nhainesyahn: nope.  The OEMs dictate the manufacturing schedule.18:17
mushroomsQUESTION: how many people work on the phone/tablet (apple has 800+ people working only on the camera)18:17
ogra_(or did he mean eggs)18:17
nhainesAnd also the publicity for that.18:17
yahnnhaines, any chance you could give my first question a bit of a nudge? ;)18:18
yahnI'm genuinely curious about the answer18:18
dobeyglass is pretty apropos ;)18:18
yahnI ran it by dholbach to make sure it was appropriate18:18
popeyyahn: which?18:18
LugariusRL654im late... sory18:18
erionhaines , yahn QUESTION: The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project?18:18
* nhaines changes my etherpad color to popey's.18:18
yahnpopey, The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project?18:19
popeyah, i see18:19
LugariusRL654snappy is awesome18:19
ogra_+118:19
ogra_:)18:20
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: Does canonical and Steam still talk and have a close partnership, will steam advertise people to use snap version of ubuntu to develop games for steam games?18:20
nhainesSnappy *is* awesome.  :)18:20
LugariusRL654What is the actual status of unity8? what is the roadmap? I can control unity7 easy with keyboard, can i use unity8 with keyboard too?18:21
erioQUESTION: When you think of IoT, do you plan to partner with raspberrypi.org to get to a better prototyping board using Snappy?18:21
popeymhall119: scroll up :)18:22
nhaineserio: what does the RPi lack?18:22
AuroraAvenuehttp://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1605-mark-shuttleworths-qa18:22
ogra_erio the rpi2 is our default device already18:22
nhainesI love Etherpad.  It's like multiplayer gedit.18:22
erionhaines: right now doing anything requires a thousand steps, but maybe with snaps we could have simple one click apps to do things in the real world.18:23
LugariusRL654Whats the thing with Mycroft? is Canonical helping on the project so that unity8 has an personal assistent like siri?18:23
nhaineserio: we already have that if you put Ubuntu Core on an RPi 2.  :)18:23
erioLugariusRL654: you need to use QUESTION:18:23
popey\o/ Mycroft!18:23
popeyVoice of popey γ‹›18:23
erionhaines: wait, seriously? I have RPi 2 here, but didn't knew I could use Ubuntu on it.18:24
ogra_snappy mycroft !18:24
popeyyup, ubuntu runs on pi218:24
popeyUbuntu MATE Desktop on Pi 2 is a really popular download18:24
kyrofaerio, here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/18:24
nhaineserio: yup!  I think Lubuntu has a spin, and Snappy Ubuntu Core launched with RPi 2 images at the same time as the RPi 2.  :D18:24
yahnpopey, is speed the only reason we don't see Ubuntu proper on the rpi2?18:24
nhainesyahn: graphics drivers.18:25
erioyahn: !18:25
yahnnhaines, aah ok. Something compiz related?18:25
popeyMartin Wimpress has got Unity7 working on the Pi 2 :)18:25
popeyor pi 3.. can't remember18:25
popeybut on the pi :)18:26
nhainespopey: now *that's* impressive.  :)18:26
sebsebsebwe are vips :d18:26
popeyit's surprising to see!18:26
yahnI'd be super keen to run ubuntu proper on the pi series18:26
dobeypi r^218:26
dobeyor 2piR maybe18:26
nhainesyahn: basically it all works except Unity.18:26
erio:D18:26
dobeynhaines: use unity8 :)18:26
nhainesdobey: also doesn't work on the RPi2 as far as I know.  :P18:27
LugariusRL654Is it possible that Ubuntu in the future doesnt need Debian anymore?18:27
popeynope18:27
erioThank you Mark, I am more relaxed now.18:27
yahnQUESTION: What is your 'we won' moment for the Ubuntu project?18:27
TheTwoQUESTION: will Unity 8 be VR ready?18:27
sebsebsebLugariusRL654: probably18:27
nhainesmhall119 / popey: are you putting the asked questions somewhere or just deleting them?18:27
AmarLugariousRL654 you should prefix your questions with QUESTION:18:27
nhaines(The asked and answered questions.)18:27
popeynhaines: deleting18:27
LugariusRL654ok Amar thanks18:27
popeybut etherpad tracks everything18:27
nhainespopey: Weren't you just in the session 4 hours ago where we talked about transcriptions?  ;)18:28
LugariusRL654do i have to reask Amar?18:28
popeyno18:28
popeythat was a bot18:28
LugariusRL654k ^^18:28
nhainespopey: man, Mycroft is getting really advanced these days.18:28
popeyLugariusRL654: no18:28
FlowRiserQUESTION: Mark, what phones are the Canonical developers using to test Ubuntu?18:28
nhainesFlowRiser: they're using the Nexus 4 and the retail devices.18:29
dobeynhaines: and nexus5 and opo and etc18:29
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: Do you think Ubuntu will bring tablets back to life after the downfall in tablet sales?18:30
FlowRiserWhoah, I knew about the Nexus 4  already, but not about the opo18:30
* mcphail wonders if all sabdfl's robots are going to have popey's voice18:30
popeyhah18:30
svijmcphail: I'm rather worried that the robots will also have popey s face^^18:30
mcphailha!18:31
popeyuggh18:31
FlowRiserhahah xD18:31
popeywhat a horrid thought!18:31
erioWe need the desktop to build things for the Phone and the Cloud.18:31
dobeypopey with a beach ball18:31
popeyYES!18:31
sebsebsebas a side note, popeys face you can already find in the Ubuntu phone app store still I think18:31
ogra_erio, what if your phone is your desktop ?18:31
ogra_:)18:31
popeyogra_: BOOOOM18:32
popeyMind. Blown.18:32
mariogripQUESTION: is there any plans of "removing" the android part in ubuntu touch?18:32
dobeyogra_: not big enough for a desk18:32
dobeyogra_: but too big for a phone :(18:32
erioogra_: I only used MIT AppInventor that did it and still required a computer . :/18:32
alejoQUESTION: Are plans for us in Latinamerica (i am from Chile) so we can buy phones and tables with ubuntu?18:32
ogra_dobey, pessimist :P18:32
dobeyogra_: i have a very large desk18:33
erioOla alejo !18:33
Amarmars!18:33
ogra_I managed to do the whole UOS on my ubuntu tablet.... Not to far out anymore18:33
popeyGet your ass to mars!18:33
nhainessabdfl on Dragon to Mars confirmed.18:34
zygaQUESTION: would you say ubuntu will reach mars in the next decade?18:34
alejoerio: hola!! :D18:34
erioalejo: brasil aqui. :)18:34
nhainesI don't get very much done on my Nexus 7 with Unity 8, but I'm not *constantly* angry with it this year.18:35
zygaQUESTION: we all talk about unity 8, what do you see would be the thing that woud warrant the need for a unity 9?18:36
erioCan we have Electron on Unity 8? I need Atom.18:36
mariogripQUESTION: in your words, what does Open source and Ubuntu mean for you18:36
nhaineserio: you can have any kind of app on Unity 8.18:36
ogra_erio, sergiuens is producing a snap of electron I think18:36
LugariusRL654QUESTION: Whats the thing with Mycroft? is Canonical helping on the project so that unity8 has an personal assistent like Siri? Will it work on Phone maybe?18:36
erioogra_: nice, thanks! :]18:37
alejoerio: great!!! Bueno ver a un amigo de estos lugares :D18:37
ventricalno snappy personal image question?18:37
FlowRiserQUESTION: What was the most impressive things you've seen running Ubuntu Core ?18:37
dobeyzyga: we could bump the version tomorrow :P18:37
zygadobey: :)18:37
nhainesventrical: There's a full session on that next.18:37
ventricalok..thanks..18:38
nhainesventrical: over on the convergence track.  :)18:38
* ogra_ wants unity1118:38
zygalol18:38
erioalejo: existe uma comunidade ubuntu latin america ?18:38
dobeynobody remembers unity3d (no, not that unity3d)18:38
zygaif we use systemd versioning we might reach unity95 soon ;)18:38
ogra_thats will even beat windows10 !18:38
AuroraAvenueXPS 13 : http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9350-laptop-ubuntu/pd18:38
dobeyunity-2d is dead, long live unity-2d18:38
sethj_QUESTION: Are there any plans for a US Ubuntu store? Shipping is currently so expensive it is hard for US ubuntu fans to get swag18:38
nhainessethj_: they had one for about 6 months.18:39
ogra_dobey, shhh18:39
LugariusRL654haha!18:39
sethj_nhaines, I know, but it's gone :(18:39
FlowRisersethj_, for East European fans as well18:39
mariogripnext year we need 2 hours, there is so many question :P18:39
dobeymariogrip: or fewer questions ;)18:39
Amarmariogrip agreed18:39
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nhainessethj_: yes, but probably for a reason.  (Either it was stoo hard to keep inventory both places, or it wasn't profitable enough, both, etc.)18:40
UbuntuFun_deQUESTION: Is Ubuntu TV still on the plan? when or can we expect a new Version?18:40
mariogripdobey: :P18:40
sethj_nhaines, yes, hence the question ;()18:40
erioQUESTION: will we see partnership with Microsoft for getting new Microsoft Office and Skype on Ubuntu, like it's available on Mac?18:40
Mister_QUbuntuFun_de keep asking every uos :D18:40
bluebugQUESTION: any plan to launch another campaign like Ubuntu Edge?18:40
nhainessethj_: yes, but we can probably imagine the answer is "It wasn't profitable so we don't plan to lose money again."18:40
TheTwoQUESTION: Will we be able to move the launcher to the bottom in Unity 8 as well?18:40
LolrepeatlolWill we be able to apply icon packs on Ubuntu mobile?18:41
zygaQUESTION: are we going to see ubuntu 16.04 on windows soon?18:41
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: Do you play steam games, if so whats your favourite game or game youre excited for?18:41
nhaineserio: don't keep asking a question over and over once it' been added to Etherpad.18:41
Sanjayhi mark please make a official fb account or page so that people can connect with you easily18:41
nhaineserio: or before, either, I guess  :)18:41
dobeyzyga: just run do-release-upgrade -d? :P18:41
Sanjayplease pick my request18:41
zygadobey: breaks on udev18:41
dobeyzyga: ah18:41
ogra_Ubuntu TV will eventually just be another snappy spin18:42
zygadobey: windows is not as good as the real thing and some plumbing layer packages fail18:42
t1mpthe WEREWOLF would win, obviously!18:42
erionhaines: ok, sorry. Next time would be cool to see questions on the right in a pane so we could upvote downvote and you could filter .18:42
dobeyruh roh18:42
popeyoof18:42
popeyput 50p in the meter18:43
zygaQUESTION: what do you plan to do after ubuntu-z, back to -a?18:43
ventricalfreeze18:43
zygafroze here too18:43
zygaback18:43
nhainesGrr, I wanted to hear about the yakkety answer!18:43
t1mpmark broke up18:43
t1mpI missed the yakkety answer and what came after that18:43
nhainesmhall119: ask him again about the yakkety decision.  :P18:43
Amarnooooooo18:43
erionoooo18:43
sethj_nhaines, reddit might be a good option for that? (voting on questions)18:43
popeyROLLING RELEASE!18:43
sethj_trello would also work18:43
ogra_Snappy !18:43
eriosethj_: reddit software yes, it's open, but not hosted on reddit I think...18:44
LugariusRL654QUESTION: Why is the default search engine Google and not the OpenSource project DuckDuckGo?18:44
sebsebsebLugariusRL654: good questioon, but maybe they had a deal like Mozilla had18:45
nhainessethj_: well, at the moment mhall119 and popey are trying to curate a wide variety of questions that can't be answered by other teams or are interesting to get Mark's perspective on.18:45
erioLugariusRL654: it would be like Windows, you have to remove Bing before using.18:46
zygaQUESTION: What was your biggest surprises of 2016 so far?18:46
eriothat was harsh..18:46
AmarQUESTION: Do you play any games on Steam?18:47
ogra_QUESTION: Will there ever be ubuntu TV ads featuring Scarlett Johansson ?18:48
wililupy_?When bug 1 is solved?18:48
justCarakasisn't bug 1 already solved ?18:48
sergiusensogra_ you always ask the right questions ;-)18:48
kyrofawililupy_, bug 1 was closed ages ago :P18:48
ogra_hat is solved since a whil18:48
eriowililupy_: link to bug 1 ?18:48
ChloeWolfieGirlQUESTION: Whats your favourite, zombie crushing alian splattering game on ubuntu?18:49
zygaQUESTION: when can we see you for another Q&A session?18:49
sebsebsebQUESTON: You are known like Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvaldes as a famous person in the open souce free software world, but who out of people like that, would you say you enjoyed meeting the most and why?18:49
sebsebsebprobably won't have time for that question ^18:49
nhaineserio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118:49
popeyOk, I think we have more questions than we can possibly cover in 5 mins.  πŸ˜ƒ18:49
dobeyogra_: let's not whitewash ubuntu too ;P18:49
sebsebsebpopey: indeed18:49
ogra_heh18:49
nhainespopey: so ask the yakkety one again that got eaten by YouTube!18:49
justCarakasit started some minutes late so we can run late :p18:50
eriothat's an awesome bug.18:50
captoonConsidering the fact that Chrome is now the #1 browser in terms of the number of users, is there any consideration to move away from Firefox?18:50
sebsebsebcaptoon: is it? that's sad in a way!18:50
sebsebsebcaptoon: Firefox is the one that started changing  lots of stuff for the better. made IE improvee etc etc18:51
popeyWe can't ship Chrome by default.18:51
popeyIt's non-free18:51
justCarakaswon't the ubuntu browser become the default ?18:51
captoonYes, Chrome overtook IE :018:51
eriosebsebseb: yes it is. And the fastest growing one is Microsoft Edge if you want to get sadder...18:51
nhainesThe Ubuntu browser isn't terrible.18:51
ogra_Its awesome18:51
sebsebseberio: Edge really?18:51
dobeycaptoon: chromium would be the one to ship in ubuntu18:51
sebsebseberio: well maybe since it's in WIndows 1018:51
captoonI meant Chromium as an alternative...18:51
ventricalMark and All.. great session. You've made the world a better place. ttyl18:51
LugariusRL654Thanks ... i see! ... You got that this started with snappy ^^18:51
yahnnhaines, it really needs extension support18:51
justCarakasI prefer the ubuntu browser over chromium18:51
TheTwoQUESTION: Why does .snap's security matter when criminals can still use .debs instead?18:51
nhainesyahn: probably.  :)18:52
DexstarQuestion: Can you hire me?18:52
dobeyTheTwo: not sure what you mean by that question18:52
Mister_QQUESTION: are you coming to ubucon EU?18:52
FlowRiserMan, difficult question18:52
AuroraAvenuestarted 5 minutes late !18:52
TheTwodobey: when somebody wants to harm your PC he'll use debs instead of snaps18:53
justCarakas6 mintues left in this session!18:53
justCarakas:p18:53
UbuntuFun_deThank you Michael and Mark for your time and answers. It was fun to follow and very interesting. *Thump Up18:53
popeyheh18:53
popeynice try justCarakas18:53
justCarakas^^18:53
dobeyTheTwo: no, they can't (on a system baed on ubuntu core where the os is a signed snap; and / is read-only on the phone for a reason18:53
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dobeyTheTwo: and if someone has access to install a .deb your system is already lost anyway18:54
Amarlol18:54
udsbotub5 minutes left in this session!18:54
popeyudsbotub: careful18:54
popeythat way bans lie18:54
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justCarakasok :)18:54
justCarakassorry18:54
justCarakas:D18:54
justCarakasjust a joke18:54
popey:)18:54
erioThank you Mark!18:54
erioI am so happy!18:54
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LugariusRL654thanks.... too many questions.... ill ask next time ^^ (^^18:55
alejoerio: bye!! debo ir a trabajar18:55
popey πŸ˜ƒ18:55
erioalejo: bom trabalho!18:55
AmarCheers Mark ;)18:56
yahnthanks Mark, mhall119 & those who helped set this up18:56
LugariusRL654thanks again.... bye bye!18:56
AuroraAvenueI broke a nail :(18:56
sethj_Thanks Mark! mhall119 and popey too!18:56
erionhaines: good work! :D18:56
nhainesmhall119 and popey: thanks for all your hard work!  :D18:56
mhall119http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22652/ubuntu-personal-and-convergence-qa/ is the next Q&A18:56
justCarakasthanks mhall110 and popey and mark18:56
popeynice one mhall11918:56
UbuntuFun_deGreat Session! (Y)18:56
mcphailCheers everyone. Enjoyed that.18:56
ogra_Thanks !18:57
nhaineserio: thanks, but I was just answering some questions here I thuoght wouldn't make the main video.  :)18:57
yahnperhaps my question came across as negative18:57
AmarI'm pretty sure he answered it18:57
yahnnah he didn't18:57
dobeyyahn: which question?18:57
Amarthe one about Ubuntu cloud and personal18:58
nhainesyahn: well, there were a lot of questions and he can't pick all of them.  Which question did you not get an answer to?18:58
AuroraAvenuenot sure about the youtube picture on the cover, thou.18:58
dobeyyahn: more than one of your questions were answered18:58
yahnThe content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project?18:58
popeyIt's always difficult juggling them18:58
yahnthat was the one I was most interested in18:58
popeyyes, he did answer that yahn18:58
AuroraAvenueOut of over 10 questions - I got 1 answered.18:58
Amaryep he answered that18:58
nhainesHe did answer that one.18:58
yahnoh18:58
yahnsomehow I missed it18:58
dobeyyeah18:58
mariogripwhat does the "red star" in front of someones name on summit.ubuntu.com mean?18:58
yahnsorry gents18:58
popeymariogrip: they're awesome18:58
dobeyyahn: watch the video again later then :)18:59
popeymariogrip: do you have a red star?18:59
popey πŸ˜ƒ18:59
mariogripyeah :P18:59
popey(it means "attending" or "required" (yellow / orange))18:59
yahnmario have you got time for a quick question?18:59
mariogripyahn: sure18:59
yahnhow's the work going on the oneplus one image for ubuntu touch?18:59
yahnthe github activity seems to be frozen at the moment19:00
mariogripnote that the project is spread over many repos on github, there is not just one repo19:00
yahnmariogrip, where is the best place to view activity?19:01
mariogripbut, I have an release ready soon that's has everything working except bt, gps and camera19:01
mariogripbut i hope to fix them as soon as i can19:01
gfhssi missed19:01
mariogripyahn: on our github team/group and some launchpad19:02
gfhssWhen and where is the next..... and why this isnt ubuntu on air?19:02
yahnmariogrip, ok, thanks19:02
yahnyour work is much appreciated btw19:02
AuroraAvenuemariogrip: You have questions to answer on  Patreon.19:03
mariogripAuroraAvenue: thanks for letting me know, ill answer them :)19:03
AuroraAvenuealso you need to incl. the sub-topic "Legacy Devices" on ubports forum for other stuff to be talked about . If you do that I promise to work hard on populating the foryum with juicy stuff.19:04
AuroraAvenue**forum19:04
yahnmark always gives an erudite answer19:13
jondotlocalGreat work including native ZFS support - with rumors of licensing issues present, how likely is it that availability of ZFS will remain?19:54
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