=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/04/%23ubuntu-uos-plenary.html [13:48] snapcraft [16:04] what is this room for [16:12] Hello. How is everyone? === charles_ is now known as charles [16:47] Hi Mark :) [16:50] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1605-mark-shuttleworths-qa [17:00] Is this starting now ? [17:05] Maybe it's at 7pm GMT ? [17:28] g'day evryone:) [17:30] Yo yo! [17:30] I presume it is OK to lurk in here without registering for UOS? [17:30] yep .. thats me :) [17:31] hi [17:31] hi Sanjay [17:31] Hi popey, cheers for the edits. [17:31] are you mark [17:32] no.... but he'll be here... [17:32] when [17:32] Mark usually appears as his own namer although his IRC comments never make it into logs ;-) [17:32] bout 25 mins [17:33] k .. got to finish lunch .. im starved.. [17:34] ventrical who are you [17:34] Doing a hangout before the show if anyone's interested :) http://ow.ly/4nqrDT [17:35] sorry frnds i m new here please help me [17:35] mcphail: sure [17:35] Sanjay: Just go here & wait 25 minutes :) http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22664/mark-shuttleworths-qa/ [17:36] popey: ta [17:37] Sanjay I am Dale Beaudoin ... team captian of Ubuntu Development version testing at ubuntuforums.org [17:37] Actually, do I have to register to see the live stream? Is the youtube window only active post hoc? [17:38] no [17:38] it will just come up [17:38] cool [17:38] Yeah, where's the tube video address ? [17:38] It will appear at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22664/mark-shuttleworths-qa/ [17:38] its still early.. [17:40] hello dale i m also a linux fan i love it from my heart. i also want to be a part of it. can you tell me how? [17:40] note : Ubuntu Development VersionTesting not to be confused with Canonical Q/A [17:42] Sanjay You can go to www.ubuntuforums.org and join up there . There are lots of help echos and forums and you do not have to be a member to get helps with all questions for ubuntu flavours. [17:43] thanks [17:44] Sanjay Ubutuforums also has extremely large knowledge base. [17:45] how can i make career in linux [17:45] blimey, there's a lot of money related questions in there AuroraAvenue [17:45] and some dupes from our Q&A [17:45] maybe cover some other bases. [17:46] if people want to ask Mark questions, feel free to get them in early here, prefix with QUESTION: :) [17:46] popey, Put an 'X' next to the ones you don't count as 'tenable' and I shall delete them :) [17:47] nah, I just won't use them [17:47] I think you can self edit your own questions [17:47] go go go! [17:48] * popey tickles dholbach [17:48] * dholbach hugs popey [17:49] QUESTION: I don't mean to sound like a broken record but are we going to get snappy-personal-images soon? Thank you.:) [17:50] :) [17:50] wow, lots of questions already === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Track: | Mark Shuttleworth's Q&A | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22664/mark-shuttleworths-qa/ [17:50] I want snappy personal so bad I can tase it :) [17:51] Thanks Michael! [17:52] ventrical: as soon as they are ready probably :) [17:55] I just stickied a link to the Q&A video at /r/Ubuntu. [17:55] zyga hehe umm I ws hoping for something more definitive. My apologies.. I just have high hopes and a difficult time to curb my enthusiasms:) [17:55] QUESTION: Congratulations on making Ubuntu an innovative and exciting platform for development. Is there a plan to fully and comprehensively document the SDK, Mir and snappy? Just now, the documentation is not as good as competing projects [17:56] ventrical: I'm sure we all do, I don't know anything more [17:56] zyga .. thanks [17:56] mcphail: we discussed documentation today and there are concrete plans to improve snappy and snapcraft docs [17:56] zyga: brilliant [17:57] nhaines: bit late - it was already in the 1st ten posts. [17:57] mcphail: we also will gladly take contributions from the community so feel free to poke as in #snappy for concrete ideas [17:58] zyga: smashing. The a great first step would be to flesh out the man page for "snap" on 16.04 desktop [17:58] popey, Good question - hope you get your "Ubuntu Mate" mentioning thingy [17:58] mcphail: the manual page is automatically generated, I just had a look at it and it could use some love [17:58] AuroraAvenue: "stickying" it makes it more visible and easier to find. If you sticky it too early then everyone's asking for time zone conversions or complaining there's no video. [17:58] zyga: :) [17:59] zyga: it took me 2 days to realise it performed the same function as the "snappy" command on core ;p [17:59] mcphail: it is the new incarnation of snappy command [18:00] mcphail: I think this was discussed on the mailing list but I agree we can always use more visibility :) [18:00] ok, time to start :) [18:02] Get yer questions in... [18:02] prefix with QUESTION: for maximum satisfaction [18:02] do I need to reload the page or should it start automatically? [18:02] it should [18:02] why Ubuntu doesn't update like windows 10 [18:02] QUESTION: Would you visit space again in the future? What is your favorite memory of Mir? [18:03] QUESTION: where do you see ubuntu in 5 years from now [18:03] rk: what? without asking, during presentations? [18:03] t1mp: if it says "Live stream is starting soon," you're all good. [18:03] popey: that's the best way. [18:03] nhaines: okay :) [18:04] 😃 [18:04] or during weather reports on live TV [18:04] is it me or hasn't it started yet ? [18:04] justCarakas: it is not you [18:04] hasnt started yet [18:04] hi [18:04] (on this occasion) [18:04] hello sebsebseb [18:04] QUESTION: Deepmind has been give access to millions of patient records in the NHS. Is free/opensource software lagging behind the curve in healthcare? Do you have ambitions to change the situation? Where do you feel free solutions would be better? [18:04] popey: hi [18:04] nice addition popey :p [18:04] QUESTION: What is your favorite ubuntu touch app, what is your favorite ubuntu phone and what is your thoughts on the ubports project? [18:04] we want rocket man !! [18:04] uh already questions and Mark isn't even there yet? [18:04] doesn't hurt to get ahead sebsebseb :) [18:04] sebsebseb: it's all under control :) [18:04] here he is [18:05] fret ye not [18:05] refresh browsers - he's on ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5WArtEFaU [18:05] it's connected [18:05] go go go! :) [18:05] live [18:05] works! [18:05] sebsebseb: yes, that's how we don't have dead air. ;) [18:05] \o/ [18:05] its live [18:05] mhall119: i see you not him [18:05] Slides? Do we get to see his holiday photos? :) [18:05] oh, okay now [18:06] QUESTION: The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project? [18:06] QUESTION: Mark, what do you think about the Hud and how would you like it to be intergreated into unity8? [18:06] QUESTION: are you coming to ubucon EU? [18:06] ChloeWolfieGirl \o/ [18:06] hi all, is live? [18:06] yes [18:06] can everyone see Mark's slides? [18:06] yes [18:06] mhall119: yes we can. [18:06] yep. [18:06] QUESTION: All ubuntu animals are fighting eachother, which wins? [18:06] mushrooms: it's just started. [18:06] yes! seeing Congratulations on 16.04 [18:07] QUESTION: Do you own a zoo, how do you get the ideas for version names? [18:07] QUESTION: How do you come up with all those animal names for releases, been loads already, and should be more to come [18:07] yes i see pixels [18:07] I want to see answer to yahn question [18:07] ChloeWolfieGirl: h eh bet me to it :d [18:07] so it is mate and not Ma Te ? :p [18:07] ChloeWolfieGirl: Clever Cthulhu wins [18:07] justCarakas: it doesn't matter :) [18:07] QUESTION: Any ideas about what the new naming scheme be after 16.10? [18:07] QUESTION: What happended to Ubuntu TV? [18:08] Sebsebseb: I am the Hud and strange question Queen === justCarakas1 is now known as justCarakas [18:08] what the new naming scheme will be* [18:08] sebsebseb: again? [18:08] QUESTION: is yakety yak name related to the "Capture the flag" movie? [18:08] justCarakas1: it's maht-ay, like yerba [18:08] QUESTION: Do you see Ubuntu for phones entering the conventional retail space (brick and mortar stores) within the next 12 months? [18:08] mushrooms: it's a song [18:08] Amar: the naming scheme won't change after 16.10. [18:08] still animals? :D [18:08] QUESTION: The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project? [18:08] @dobey oh [18:08] Amar: yup! Starts over with "A". :) [18:08] QUESTION: What's your favourite open source event not including anything Ubuntu specific? [18:09] brilliant thanks [18:09] QUESTION can you tell us something we don't know already :D [18:09] QUESTION: are we getting an ubuntu watch? [18:09] mariogrip: he said at UbuCon Summit no. :) [18:09] nhaines: assuming ascii only [18:09] Oooo :( [18:09] dobey: I already joked with someone about going to Greek letters. [18:09] QUESTION: what is your daily driver phone? is it ubuntu? and if so what are your favourite apps and scopes? [18:09] QUESTION: Was going to space more exciting or more scary? [18:09] QUESTION: When will you use unity 8 on desktop, also do you use ubuntu on the phone daily or do you still use alternatives like ios and android for apps and ideas? [18:10] snappy! [18:10] nhaines: well, can still be latin [18:10] Schnaps ! [18:10] latin names could be great too [18:10] nhaines: plenty of accented chars in latin text languages :) [18:10] QUESTION: What major technological innovation are you hoping to see within the next 10 years? [18:10] They aren't usually "different" letters, though. Depends on the language. :) [18:10] They're not "different" in English. [18:11] ok [18:11] lxd YEY, love it :D [18:11] nhaines: eh? ē is not e :) [18:12] QUESTION: I'm very excited for Ubuntu Phone, Ubuntu Tablet and the new Unity 8 desktop. What's the priority of the new Unity 8 compared to server, hypervisor etc... I'm a fan of snappy but would like to see the new 16.10 with Unity 8 as well. [18:12] QUESTION: will we see more ubuntu branded hardware on ubuntu store? like home routers, mice, shirts etc [18:12] dobey: it is in English! :D [18:12] QUESTION: If a snap doesnt work are you excited to beable to go “Awww snap” [18:12] lol [18:12] nhaines: nope. it is only the same for lazy people [18:12] I've ruined like 5 different development environments, and they've all been lxc containers. :D [18:12] QUESTION: Will we see Ubuntu Software center rebuild to allow Snappy, and also things like Google Chrome and paind apps? [18:13] dobey: nope, if you look at a dictionary, they're sorted in-line with others, as opposed to Spanish where "ll" is a separate letter under a whole different heading. [18:13] *paid [18:13] erio: gnome-software already supports snaps in 16.04 [18:14] dobey: only in unstable isn't ? And not like USC ... [18:14] QUESTION: What kind of things do you tend to do in general, but away from technology? [18:14] QUESTION: When do you think will ubuntu phone be popular enough, so that some big apps like netflix, whatsapp etc. will come to ubuntu phone? [18:14] erio: 16.04 is not unstable. it's the latest lts release [18:14] hi mark [18:14] QUESTION: is canonical diversifying into foods? and how many ubuntu food trucks does canonical have [18:14] QUESTION: Do you plan to use MS partnership to get us Microsoft Office or help Libreoffice to solve it's current bugs? [18:15] Mm, ketchup. [18:15] yahn ! [18:15] damn [18:15] my original question didn't make the cut :( [18:15] I'm sad because it was my main doubt. [18:16] QUESTION: the snap is interesting but there is no simple way to make a snap from the SDK, what is your opinion about that? making things simpler [18:16] is dead? :/ [18:16] uh, live now [18:16] QUESTION: How do you plan to top this year's MWC? :P [18:16] yahn: carriers make those decisions and announcements, not Canonical. So even if he knew he couldn't say. :) [18:17] hi mark why you dont use facebook? [18:17] nhaines, that's true but isn't it up to Canonical to make the push to OEM's? [18:17] QUESTION: Ubuntu Server is rock solid, a great piece of software and works great on AWS and other providers. Will you return attention to the Desktop now? [18:17] Xbox !!!! [18:17] yahn: nope. The OEMs dictate the manufacturing schedule. [18:17] QUESTION: how many people work on the phone/tablet (apple has 800+ people working only on the camera) [18:17] (or did he mean eggs) [18:17] And also the publicity for that. [18:18] nhaines, any chance you could give my first question a bit of a nudge? ;) [18:18] I'm genuinely curious about the answer [18:18] glass is pretty apropos ;) [18:18] I ran it by dholbach to make sure it was appropriate [18:18] yahn: which? [18:18] im late... sory [18:18] nhaines , yahn QUESTION: The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project? [18:18] * nhaines changes my etherpad color to popey's. [18:19] popey, The content of your recent talks/interviews seems to be largely focussed around cloud/server computing (openstack, juju, MAAS etc). Are you still as passionate about Ubuntu in the personal computing space as you were when you started the project? [18:19] ah, i see [18:19] snappy is awesome [18:19] +1 [18:20] :) [18:20] QUESTION: Does canonical and Steam still talk and have a close partnership, will steam advertise people to use snap version of ubuntu to develop games for steam games? [18:20] Snappy *is* awesome. :) [18:21] What is the actual status of unity8? what is the roadmap? I can control unity7 easy with keyboard, can i use unity8 with keyboard too? [18:21] QUESTION: When you think of IoT, do you plan to partner with raspberrypi.org to get to a better prototyping board using Snappy? [18:22] mhall119: scroll up :) [18:22] erio: what does the RPi lack? [18:22] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1605-mark-shuttleworths-qa [18:22] erio the rpi2 is our default device already [18:22] I love Etherpad. It's like multiplayer gedit. [18:23] nhaines: right now doing anything requires a thousand steps, but maybe with snaps we could have simple one click apps to do things in the real world. [18:23] Whats the thing with Mycroft? is Canonical helping on the project so that unity8 has an personal assistent like siri? [18:23] erio: we already have that if you put Ubuntu Core on an RPi 2. :) [18:23] LugariusRL654: you need to use QUESTION: [18:23] \o/ Mycroft! [18:23] Voice of popey ㋛ [18:24] nhaines: wait, seriously? I have RPi 2 here, but didn't knew I could use Ubuntu on it. [18:24] snappy mycroft ! [18:24] yup, ubuntu runs on pi2 [18:24] Ubuntu MATE Desktop on Pi 2 is a really popular download [18:24] erio, here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/ [18:24] erio: yup! I think Lubuntu has a spin, and Snappy Ubuntu Core launched with RPi 2 images at the same time as the RPi 2. :D [18:24] popey, is speed the only reason we don't see Ubuntu proper on the rpi2? [18:25] yahn: graphics drivers. [18:25] yahn: ! [18:25] nhaines, aah ok. Something compiz related? [18:25] Martin Wimpress has got Unity7 working on the Pi 2 :) [18:25] or pi 3.. can't remember [18:26] but on the pi :) [18:26] popey: now *that's* impressive. :) [18:26] we are vips :d [18:26] it's surprising to see! [18:26] I'd be super keen to run ubuntu proper on the pi series [18:26] pi r^2 [18:26] or 2piR maybe [18:26] yahn: basically it all works except Unity. [18:26] :D [18:26] nhaines: use unity8 :) [18:27] dobey: also doesn't work on the RPi2 as far as I know. :P [18:27] Is it possible that Ubuntu in the future doesnt need Debian anymore? [18:27] nope [18:27] Thank you Mark, I am more relaxed now. [18:27] QUESTION: What is your 'we won' moment for the Ubuntu project? [18:27] QUESTION: will Unity 8 be VR ready? [18:27] LugariusRL654: probably [18:27] mhall119 / popey: are you putting the asked questions somewhere or just deleting them? [18:27] LugariousRL654 you should prefix your questions with QUESTION: [18:27] (The asked and answered questions.) [18:27] nhaines: deleting [18:27] ok Amar thanks [18:27] but etherpad tracks everything [18:28] popey: Weren't you just in the session 4 hours ago where we talked about transcriptions? ;) [18:28] do i have to reask Amar? [18:28] no [18:28] that was a bot [18:28] k ^^ [18:28] popey: man, Mycroft is getting really advanced these days. [18:28] LugariusRL654: no [18:28] QUESTION: Mark, what phones are the Canonical developers using to test Ubuntu? [18:29] FlowRiser: they're using the Nexus 4 and the retail devices. [18:29] nhaines: and nexus5 and opo and etc [18:30] QUESTION: Do you think Ubuntu will bring tablets back to life after the downfall in tablet sales? [18:30] Whoah, I knew about the Nexus 4 already, but not about the opo [18:30] * mcphail wonders if all sabdfl's robots are going to have popey's voice [18:30] hah [18:30] mcphail: I'm rather worried that the robots will also have popey s face^^ [18:31] ha! [18:31] uggh [18:31] hahah xD [18:31] what a horrid thought! [18:31] We need the desktop to build things for the Phone and the Cloud. [18:31] popey with a beach ball [18:31] YES! [18:31] as a side note, popeys face you can already find in the Ubuntu phone app store still I think [18:31] erio, what if your phone is your desktop ? [18:31] :) [18:32] ogra_: BOOOOM [18:32] Mind. Blown. [18:32] QUESTION: is there any plans of "removing" the android part in ubuntu touch? [18:32] ogra_: not big enough for a desk [18:32] ogra_: but too big for a phone :( [18:32] ogra_: I only used MIT AppInventor that did it and still required a computer . :/ [18:32] QUESTION: Are plans for us in Latinamerica (i am from Chile) so we can buy phones and tables with ubuntu? [18:32] dobey, pessimist :P [18:33] ogra_: i have a very large desk [18:33] Ola alejo ! [18:33] mars! [18:33] I managed to do the whole UOS on my ubuntu tablet.... Not to far out anymore [18:33] Get your ass to mars! [18:34] sabdfl on Dragon to Mars confirmed. [18:34] QUESTION: would you say ubuntu will reach mars in the next decade? [18:34] erio: hola!! :D [18:34] alejo: brasil aqui. :) [18:35] I don't get very much done on my Nexus 7 with Unity 8, but I'm not *constantly* angry with it this year. [18:36] QUESTION: we all talk about unity 8, what do you see would be the thing that woud warrant the need for a unity 9? [18:36] Can we have Electron on Unity 8? I need Atom. [18:36] QUESTION: in your words, what does Open source and Ubuntu mean for you [18:36] erio: you can have any kind of app on Unity 8. [18:36] erio, sergiuens is producing a snap of electron I think [18:36] QUESTION: Whats the thing with Mycroft? is Canonical helping on the project so that unity8 has an personal assistent like Siri? Will it work on Phone maybe? [18:37] ogra_: nice, thanks! :] [18:37] erio: great!!! Bueno ver a un amigo de estos lugares :D [18:37] no snappy personal image question? [18:37] QUESTION: What was the most impressive things you've seen running Ubuntu Core ? [18:37] zyga: we could bump the version tomorrow :P [18:37] dobey: :) [18:37] ventrical: There's a full session on that next. [18:38] ok..thanks.. [18:38] ventrical: over on the convergence track. :) [18:38] * ogra_ wants unity11 [18:38] lol [18:38] alejo: existe uma comunidade ubuntu latin america ? [18:38] nobody remembers unity3d (no, not that unity3d) [18:38] if we use systemd versioning we might reach unity95 soon ;) [18:38] thats will even beat windows10 ! [18:38] XPS 13 : http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9350-laptop-ubuntu/pd [18:38] unity-2d is dead, long live unity-2d [18:38] QUESTION: Are there any plans for a US Ubuntu store? Shipping is currently so expensive it is hard for US ubuntu fans to get swag [18:39] sethj_: they had one for about 6 months. [18:39] dobey, shhh [18:39] haha! [18:39] nhaines, I know, but it's gone :( [18:39] sethj_, for East European fans as well [18:39] next year we need 2 hours, there is so many question :P [18:39] mariogrip: or fewer questions ;) [18:39] mariogrip agreed === Edubuntu is now known as Guest37930 [18:40] sethj_: yes, but probably for a reason. (Either it was stoo hard to keep inventory both places, or it wasn't profitable enough, both, etc.) [18:40] QUESTION: Is Ubuntu TV still on the plan? when or can we expect a new Version? [18:40] dobey: :P [18:40] nhaines, yes, hence the question ;() [18:40] QUESTION: will we see partnership with Microsoft for getting new Microsoft Office and Skype on Ubuntu, like it's available on Mac? [18:40] UbuntuFun_de keep asking every uos :D [18:40] QUESTION: any plan to launch another campaign like Ubuntu Edge? [18:40] sethj_: yes, but we can probably imagine the answer is "It wasn't profitable so we don't plan to lose money again." [18:40] QUESTION: Will we be able to move the launcher to the bottom in Unity 8 as well? [18:41] Will we be able to apply icon packs on Ubuntu mobile? [18:41] QUESTION: are we going to see ubuntu 16.04 on windows soon? [18:41] QUESTION: Do you play steam games, if so whats your favourite game or game youre excited for? [18:41] erio: don't keep asking a question over and over once it' been added to Etherpad. [18:41] hi mark please make a official fb account or page so that people can connect with you easily [18:41] erio: or before, either, I guess :) [18:41] zyga: just run do-release-upgrade -d? :P [18:41] please pick my request [18:41] dobey: breaks on udev [18:41] zyga: ah [18:42] Ubuntu TV will eventually just be another snappy spin [18:42] dobey: windows is not as good as the real thing and some plumbing layer packages fail [18:42] the WEREWOLF would win, obviously! [18:42] nhaines: ok, sorry. Next time would be cool to see questions on the right in a pane so we could upvote downvote and you could filter . [18:42] ruh roh [18:42] oof [18:43] put 50p in the meter [18:43] QUESTION: what do you plan to do after ubuntu-z, back to -a? [18:43] freeze [18:43] froze here too [18:43] back [18:43] Grr, I wanted to hear about the yakkety answer! [18:43] mark broke up [18:43] I missed the yakkety answer and what came after that [18:43] mhall119: ask him again about the yakkety decision. :P [18:43] nooooooo [18:43] noooo [18:43] nhaines, reddit might be a good option for that? (voting on questions) [18:43] ROLLING RELEASE! [18:43] trello would also work [18:43] Snappy ! [18:44] sethj_: reddit software yes, it's open, but not hosted on reddit I think... [18:44] QUESTION: Why is the default search engine Google and not the OpenSource project DuckDuckGo? [18:45] LugariusRL654: good questioon, but maybe they had a deal like Mozilla had [18:45] sethj_: well, at the moment mhall119 and popey are trying to curate a wide variety of questions that can't be answered by other teams or are interesting to get Mark's perspective on. [18:46] LugariusRL654: it would be like Windows, you have to remove Bing before using. [18:46] QUESTION: What was your biggest surprises of 2016 so far? [18:46] that was harsh.. [18:47] QUESTION: Do you play any games on Steam? [18:48] QUESTION: Will there ever be ubuntu TV ads featuring Scarlett Johansson ? [18:48] ?When bug 1 is solved? [18:48] isn't bug 1 already solved ? [18:48] ogra_ you always ask the right questions ;-) [18:48] wililupy_, bug 1 was closed ages ago :P [18:48] hat is solved since a whil [18:48] wililupy_: link to bug 1 ? [18:49] QUESTION: Whats your favourite, zombie crushing alian splattering game on ubuntu? [18:49] QUESTION: when can we see you for another Q&A session? [18:49] QUESTON: You are known like Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvaldes as a famous person in the open souce free software world, but who out of people like that, would you say you enjoyed meeting the most and why? [18:49] probably won't have time for that question ^ [18:49] erio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 [18:49]