[00:14] <nebg> hello everyone... which is the difference between "shopt" and "set" i see the operate on different options...but which options relate to set and which to shopt  ?
[00:20] <jalt> Hi, how do I fully disable avahi-daemon from a fresh 16.04 install? The obvious systemctl disable avahi-daemon did not work (x-posted from #ubuntu, since I got no replies and it's actually a xubuntu 16.04 fresh install).
[00:22] <nebg> jalt, why you want to disable avahi daemon ?
[00:22] <jalt> because i don't need zeroconf
[00:22] <nebg> what does it odo  ?
[00:22] <nebg> does avahi daemon only do zeroconf ?
[00:23] <nebg> what's that ?
[00:23] <jalt> yes, and it's a protocol apple came up for mDNS
[00:23] <jalt> it manages .local
[00:59] <LazyUser69> Anyone find systrays preferable to indicator icons?
[01:43] <jalt> Answering my own question for future reference: the only way to disable avahi-daemon is to remove and purge the package. There really is no other way because of socket activation and dbus.
[04:02] <kgb> o/ guys i'm not going to #ubuntu, but has the issue been brought up - if anybody knows?.. the web page has *not* been updated: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (There is no page /link for upgrading "from 15.10 to 16.04")
[04:03] <kgb> ??
[04:06] <kgb> .. um, yea - the page is there, just no update on the main: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenialUpgrades
[04:07] <kgb> :f
[04:08] <kgb> .. guess that I should edit the page, what do you think? o.0
[04:12] <kgb> by the time i configure oracle vm & unpack a windows.. and put dreamweaver & get to editing; it'll probably be done 10-times-over? xD
[04:26] <xubuntu02w> Does anyone know how to update to the latest version of gnupg?
[04:27] <xubuntu02w> I tried sudo apt-get install gnupg2 and it says that I already have the newest version (2.1.11)
[04:28] <xubuntu02w> But when I try to enable enigmail in Thunderbird, I receive an error message that I have version 1.4.20 and need to update.
[04:28] <xubuntu02w> What am I missing?
[04:33] <kgb> xubuntu02w: xenial 16.04?
[04:33] <xubuntu02w> Yes
[04:36] <kgb> blah, I remember always being some *problem* with the versions /which software 2 actually get for enigmail /thunderbird :f
[04:37] <xubuntu02w> Yeah, I'm new to email encryption. I've followed some guides online, but cannot seem to get gnupg to work properly with thunderbird
[04:37] <xubuntu02w> Or maybe it's enigmail which is causing the issue.
[04:38] <kgb> just, hang on please... someone who knows more should say it better (than me :))
[04:42] <kgb> xubuntu02w: in the meantime, something to -perhaps- better manage any ppa that could need?.. http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/y-ppa-manager-0991-released-with-ubuntu.html (https://launchpad.net/y-ppa-manager) :)
[04:43] <kgb> *which you may need
[04:44] <xubuntu02w> Thanks I will check that out
[04:53] <kgb> xubuntu02w: maybe, for example, if you had added a ppa - when messing with the gnupg/2 versions - which you wanna ppa-purge
[04:56] <xubuntu02w> In that case, what would be the command for purging the unneeded ppa?
[05:41] <kgb> xubuntu02w: ah i fell asleep at they keyboard, need to gtho, lol.. if it was manually added, then look for the name used 4 example: history | grep add-apt-repository
[05:41] <kgb> *in order to ppa-purge it
[05:44] <kgb> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YgYZlIzBjaM/TsZEjMHsC4I/AAAAAAAADTM/I51ZIkVgZ30/s1600/Selection_621.png and in case of the Y PPA MANAGER: it's in the GUI, under "Manage PPAs". :)
[05:45] <xubuntu02w> Thanks
[05:47] <kgb> hope it helps.. just someone needs to speak up about what enigmail should be using for encryption w/thunderbird :DD
[06:06] <subscious> hey there. When I close my lid and open it up again my mousecursor disappears on xubuntu 16.04. Is this a known bug? will it be adressed?
[06:07] <subscious> the same thing happens when I lock the display with ctrl+alt+del
[06:07] <subscious> brb
[06:12] <subscious> this is really anoying. As of now I have to log out or kill the xserver loosing all my open progress. Is there maybe something else I can do to regain the cursor?
[06:31] <puckz> Hi all! Xubuntu 16.04... after returning from locked screen I don't see the mouse pointer. Any solution?
[06:35] <Unit193> puckz: Does it work to flip to TTY1 and back to 7?
[06:37] <puckz> Unit193: Sorry, how do I flip between TTY's? :-)
[06:37] <Unit193> !tty
[06:37] <ubottu> To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[06:38] <puckz> Unit193: It works! Thanks a zillion!
[06:38] <Unit193> Sure thing, doc.
[06:45] <flocculant> puckz: 1568604
[06:45] <flocculant> meh bug 1568604
[06:45] <ubottu> bug 1568604 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor lost when unlocking with Intel graphics" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568604
[06:46] <flocculant> 3 methods there to get the cursor back - one stops it occurring
[06:47] <Unit193> Knew that had to be somewhere.
[06:47] <flocculant> :)
[06:47] <flocculant> like on the notes ...
[11:47] <tombgi> just had a fun time getting xubuntu installed alongside windows 10
[11:48] <tombgi> could only boot into xubuntu at first, then grub-customizer saved the day
[11:48] <tombgi> but then couldn't get the grub menu to respond to more than one keypress after that
[11:49] <tombgi> so could scroll to another OS but not enter into it
[11:49] <tombgi> weirdly, grub console still worked fine and i could use that to boot into other OSes
[11:49] <tombgi> still looking into it
[11:49] <nikolam> haven't tried w10, but in my previous life, I always used to install windows first and any linux next
[11:50] <tombgi> yeah, i did the same thing
[11:50] <nikolam> with my current life and adding new linux disk to the system that already had W8 dual boot, I must say Windows generally sucs
[11:50] <tombgi> usually had good experiences with it
[11:50] <tombgi> with installing alongside, not good experiences with windows
[11:51] <nikolam> I suppose one needs to first recover with windows (Used to use /fixboot /fixmbr in windows recover boot) and then to recover linux boot form live cd
[11:51] <tombgi> i'm not sure what happened at first
[11:51] <tombgi> windows wasn't showing up in the grub menu
[11:51] <tombgi> just had to readd it
[11:51] <nikolam> so since no experience with w10.. I just had to vent it :P
[11:51] <tombgi> so i can boot into either now
[11:52] <tombgi> haha, fair enough
[11:52] <tombgi> i just have to boot into linux through the grub2 command prompt
[11:52] <tombgi> not too tricky though
[11:52] <nikolam> update-grub I suppose should finde widnozes, too
[11:52] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[11:53] <nikolam> but depends what windows itself winds as it's problem with, maybe new disk config etc
[11:57] <tombgi> mm idk
[13:53] <xubuntu19w> hello, I'm trying to install linux on a laptop but everytime I boot after the logo shows, the screen goes black and stays like that
[13:56] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: without knowing more about the laptop - are you talking about booting with the livecd or usb?
[13:57] <flocculant> if so - reboot - hit any key when you see the kbd/man logo at the bottom, F6, choose nomodeset then enter
[13:57] <xubuntu19w> it's a usb
[13:57] <flocculant> k - try that
[13:57] <xubuntu19w> ok let me try
[13:58] <xubuntu19w> it's a compaq 6715b
[13:58] <xubuntu19w> 2gb ram
[13:58] <xubuntu19w> amd sempron 4000+
[14:03] <xubuntu19w> ok, I've chosen nomodeset but it stays there
[14:03] <flocculant> pressed enter?
[14:03] <xubuntu19w> there's only an "X" next to it
[14:03] <xubuntu19w> yes
[14:03] <flocculant> mmm
[14:04] <flocculant> is this 16.04?
[14:04] <xubuntu19w> do I need to exit out of the f6 menu after I've selected
[14:04] <xubuntu19w> ?
[14:04] <xubuntu19w> yes 16.04
[14:04] <flocculant> just a sec
[14:05] <flocculant> yea sorry
[14:05] <flocculant> once selected - escape - then enter :)
[14:05] <xubuntu19w> ok
[14:07] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: is it booting now?
[14:07] <xubuntu19w> so far it's showing the logo
[14:07] <xubuntu19w> and now the screen has gone black
[14:07] <xubuntu19w> same as before
[14:07] <flocculant> give it a minute
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> alright
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> thanks for the help
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> I appreciate it
[14:08] <flocculant> don't know an awful lot about ati/amd gpu's - which that appears to have
[14:08] <xubuntu19w> yes, it's an ati
[14:08] <flocculant> yup
[14:09] <xubuntu19w> I tried to download some drivers through the f4 option but it doesn't give me that option
[14:10] <flocculant> shouildn't need to do anything like that
[14:11] <xubuntu19w> I've tried different distros
[14:11] <flocculant> and same issue?
[14:11] <xubuntu19w> but all come to the same black screen after the logo
[14:11] <flocculant> mmm
[14:11] <xubuntu19w> I've even tried the lightest ones
[14:12] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: when you say you've tried different distros - is that recently?
[14:12] <xubuntu19w> yes
[14:12] <flocculant> or in the past?
[14:12] <xubuntu19w> these past few days
[14:12] <flocculant> what have you tried?
[14:13] <xubuntu19w> linux mint, elementary, ubuntu mint, lubuntu, chomium
[14:15] <xubuntu19w> I've even format the hard disk and reinstalled windows
[14:15] <xubuntu19w> with all the drivers updated
[14:15] <flocculant> that'd make no difference :)
[14:16] <xubuntu19w> lol ok
[14:16] <xubuntu19w> I can't figure out what it is
[14:17] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: not finding much - but just got in from work - but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2306298&p=13406734#post13406734 tends to point towards noapci and nolapic
[14:17] <xubuntu19w> ok, so I should choose those and try
[14:17] <flocculant> which are both options in the F6 menu where nomodeset was
[14:18] <flocculant> not even sure what they are tbh - have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/52096/what-do-the-different-boot-options-mean-i-e-acpi-off-noapic-nolapic-etc
[14:18] <xubuntu19w> I'll try them
[14:18] <flocculant> I would
[14:18] <flocculant> at least to try and get the livesession booted :)
[14:19] <xubuntu19w> sure thing
[14:19] <xubuntu19w> I appreciate it
[14:19] <flocculant> welcome :)
[14:22] <xubuntu19w> I'm trying now, I've even cleaned the ventilation shaft, it was full. Now the fan runs smoothly
[14:24] <xubuntu19w> it didn't work, same black screen
[14:36] <michael_> hi, are some rpi users here?
[14:36] <flocculant> xubuntu19w: mmm - sorry - not going to be much here now
[14:38] <flocculant> wait around maybe and see if anyone lurking has some idea
[15:02] <michael_> no raspberry users here?
[15:04] <flocculant> michael_: even if there are - you'd have to get support elsewhere I'm afraid - not supported in this channel
[15:05] <michael_> flocculant, any idea on what channel?
[15:08] <flocculant> michael_: could try #raspberrypi
[15:08] <flocculant> other than that - not a clue I'm afraid
[15:08] <flocculant> https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/
[15:09] <flocculant> there is an xubuntu image - but it's not supported
[15:11] <michael_> if xubuntu, lubuntu and ubutu-mate are based on the same, then all these images got the same bug with audio via hdmi on the rpi. are they based on the same?
[15:12] <flocculant> michael_: I'd imagine so - almost all the *buntu things are based on the same
[15:12] <flocculant> but couldn't be positive about it
[15:12] <michael_> because, on xbian i have no problems with that, also kernel 4.4.x ... ah, ok :(
[15:12] <flocculant> but ask one of the other *buntu which is supported :)
[15:13] <michael_> ok, thanks for help :)
[15:13] <michael_> bye
[15:30] <tsaavik> I think I figured out why editable accelerators are not working, nothing I change in the apperance menu has any effect (I changed style and nothing happens)
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[17:24] <Black_SOKOL> Anyone speak Russian?
[17:24] <krytarik> !ru | Black_SOKOL
[17:24] <ubottu> Black_SOKOL: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.
[21:02] <Qunhor> how do I install 16.04 after i download it
[21:02] <Qunhor> and whare do i downoad it to?
[21:03] <Qunhor> h
[21:05] <knome> !install | Qunhor
[21:05] <ubottu> Qunhor: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:06] <Qunhor> thank u so much