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| Laney | hidehi | 08:05 |
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| willcooke | g'mornin' Laney | 08:12 |
| Laney | hi willcooke | 08:14 |
| Laney | what go? | 08:14 |
| willcooke | last day of UOS | 08:14 |
| willcooke | huzzah | 08:14 |
| willcooke | think I'm going to get a hair cut this morning | 08:14 |
| Laney | changing the world one hangout at a time | 08:14 |
| willcooke | you knowns it | 08:14 |
| willcooke | knows | 08:14 |
| Laney | voted yet? | 08:14 |
| willcooke | oh yes! that too | 08:14 |
| willcooke | I shall do so on my hair to get a hair cut I think | 08:15 |
| Laney | i went to a hustings last night | 08:15 |
| willcooke | I have seen none of the candidates canvasing at all | 08:15 |
| Laney | some protesters disrupted it at the end | 08:15 |
| willcooke | yay! | 08:15 |
| Laney | other than that it was the worst | 08:15 |
| Laney | I'm going to spoil my ballot | 08:15 |
| * Laney looks at chrisccoulson | 08:15 | |
| willcooke | Awesome! | 08:15 |
| willcooke | going for the classic "cock and balls"? | 08:16 |
| Laney | haha | 08:16 |
| Laney | I was thinking about appealing to the conscience of the counter | 08:16 |
| willcooke | :D | 08:16 |
| Laney | "get up and leave the room now" | 08:16 |
| willcooke | take the ballots with you and throw them in a pond | 08:16 |
| Laney | bloody PCCs | 08:17 |
| Laney | anything interesting is "operational" and not a matter for them | 08:17 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: he's a geek he can't throw, he'll wind up keeping hold of it and throw himself in the pond. Laney don't listen to willcooke he's just trying to get you wet | 08:18 |
| willcooke | I meant the counter | 08:18 |
| Laney | I could put a steak on a stick and tempt them all into the pond | 08:19 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: see that's how a geeks brain works :D | 08:19 |
| Laney | or maybe my ballot on a rope dnangling over the pond would be more attractive to an election counter | 08:20 |
| * Laney votes for davmor2 instead | 08:21 | |
| davmor2 | Laney: Europe is already broke they don't need my help ;) | 08:23 |
| willcooke | going to get a haircut, bbl | 08:30 |
| Laney | hf | 08:30 |
| * Laney gets trello-y | 08:58 | |
| willcooke | bah, closed | 09:03 |
| willcooke | I'll try again tomorrow | 09:04 |
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| willcooke | screw this, I'm buying an Intel wifi card | 09:23 |
| willcooke | oh, 3 quid on ebay | 09:25 |
| willcooke | should have done this a long time ago | 09:25 |
| andyrock | morning all | 09:35 |
| Laney | xnox: NEO doesn't support 4096R? | 09:38 |
| Laney | hi andyrock! | 09:38 |
| willcooke | hi andyrock | 09:39 |
| chrisccoulson | HI Laney | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | I'm not even bothering with that today - I think it's only PCC elections here. | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | I don't even know where my polling station is ;) | 09:46 |
| Laney | that's all we have too | 09:48 |
| Laney | nice walk in the sun if nothing else | 09:48 |
| willcooke | man, what is up with the progressbars | 09:57 |
| willcooke | the styling isn't being applied properly, and the background colour seems to be defaulting to transparent | 09:58 |
| willcooke | I've checked the theme, and the CSS is correct and does apply in the inspector | 09:58 |
| willcooke | so must be a specificity thing (again) | 09:58 |
| attente | Laney: hey, so g-s is blocked from being sru'd because of this apparently: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/58f08ffc3281621f3df0ae8b636df69edadf0f02. it doesn't seem like it was introduced in the version just uploaded, but it seems like it might be occurring more often than before | 10:34 |
| Laney | attente: did you get one of those automated emails? | 10:37 |
| attente | Laney: yeah | 10:38 |
| Laney | holy early morning | 10:38 |
| Laney | attente: doesn't look like a regressio nto me | 10:38 |
| Laney | I'd reply and say that | 10:38 |
| Laney | don't know what the problem is though, do you? | 10:38 |
| Laney | no TagF? | 10:39 |
| attente | hard to tell... | 10:40 |
| Laney | might be sensible to check that | 10:40 |
| Laney | like maybe if the PkgF.Open fails | 10:43 |
| Laney | file:///usr/share/doc/libapt-pkg-doc/html/classFileFd.xhtml | 10:43 |
| Laney | it returns a bool | 10:43 |
| attente | not sure how TagF can be invalid here | 10:44 |
| Laney | I think just check at 376 and fail with an error if the Open() doesn't work | 10:46 |
| Laney | can't think of another reason | 10:46 |
| attente | wouldn't the backtrace fail in the Jump function? | 10:46 |
| Laney | other than trying to make a tagfile from a not opened FileFD | 10:46 |
| Laney | or a malloc failure or something | 10:49 |
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| GunnarHj | Hi Laney, and chance you can sponsor bug #1575555? | 11:54 |
| ubot5 | bug 1575555 in fonts-noto-cjk (Ubuntu Xenial) "Chrome/Chromium use "Thin" as default font weight" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575555 | 11:54 |
| Laney | GunnarHj: I can look after lunch | 11:57 |
| Laney | is it just a case of backporting y to x? | 11:57 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: Great. Yes, backporting or upload from PPA - your choise. | 11:57 |
| Laney | k | 11:58 |
| pitti | Good morning | 12:10 |
| willcooke | morning pitti | 12:17 |
| pitti | hey willcooke | 12:20 |
| willcooke | attente, around? | 13:17 |
| dholbach | willcooke, attente: have you seen something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/16237898/ with gnome-software already? | 13:18 |
| dholbach | dpm, ^ | 13:18 |
| dholbach | it looks like I get no apt/dpkg results | 13:19 |
| attente | willcooke: hey | 13:19 |
| willcooke | heh, so basically, what dholbach said :) | 13:19 |
| willcooke | I'm just running through some troubleshooting with dpm now | 13:19 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 13:19 |
| willcooke | dholbach, is it broken for both of you? cos wfm | 13:20 |
| attente | can you try running it with a strace+grep to see what file it's trying to open? | 13:20 |
| dpm | attente, willcooke, is this the right version? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16237931/ | 13:20 |
| dpm | willcooke, yeah, we were on a call preparing the demo and it's broken for both of us | 13:21 |
| willcooke | dpm, correct version | 13:21 |
| dpm | attente, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16237826/ | 13:21 |
| willcooke | dpm, what does "snap find hello" return? | 13:21 |
| dpm | Name Version Summary | 13:22 |
| dpm | hello-world 6.0 Hello world example | 13:22 |
| attente | dpm: does this still happen after killing it and re-starting? | 13:22 |
| dpm | attente, yes, tried to killall and restart multiple times | 13:23 |
| dholbach | attente, output of strace -eopen,stat gnome-software (http://paste.ubuntu.com/16237969/) | 13:23 |
| willcooke | dpm, what app are you searching for? | 13:23 |
| attente | dpm: can you try doing an apt-cache update and restarting? | 13:23 |
| dpm | willcooke, I was just searching "calculator" | 13:23 |
| dpm | attente, restarting what? | 13:24 |
| attente | dpm: restarting gnome-software | 13:24 |
| dpm | attente, I guess you mean 'apt update'? Tried that already | 13:25 |
| dholbach | apt update and restarting gnome-software doesn't help in my case | 13:25 |
| willcooke | dpm "snap find calculator" == "no snaps found for calculator" | 13:25 |
| attente | yeah, sorry | 13:25 |
| attente | apt update | 13:25 |
| dholbach | I also tried to remove cache/config files of gnome-software, just to be sure it wasn't some old broken config | 13:25 |
| dholbach | but that also didn't help | 13:25 |
| dholbach | did we catch other bugs which said "failed to start fwupd" somewhere? | 13:26 |
| dpm | willcooke, I think that's a known bug with the 'find' CLI command, as the snap name is 'ubuntu-calculator-app', but up until today g-s found it by just searching for "calculator" | 13:26 |
| seb128 | good afternoon desktopers! | 13:26 |
| dholbach | salut seb128 | 13:26 |
| willcooke | dpm, and so if you search for "ubuntu-cal" in g-s what happens? | 13:27 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach | 13:27 |
| seb128 | dpm, I joined in the middle, but substring matching for g-s/snap query never worked, if that's the topic | 13:27 |
| dpm | willcooke, that shows me 2 results now | 13:27 |
| dholbach | seb128, tout est cassé :) | 13:27 |
| dpm | hey seb128, afternoon! | 13:27 |
| seb128 | dholbach, oui, snapcrap fault! ;-) | 13:28 |
| dholbach | haha | 13:28 |
| dholbach | for me gnome-software shows no apt/dpkg apps at all | 13:28 |
| dholbach | just the snaps I have installed | 13:28 |
| xnox | Laney, v4 yes, previous no. | 13:28 |
| dpm | seb128, it did work, I have proof! :) | 13:28 |
| xnox | Laney, hence it's my sub-key only at 2k | 13:28 |
| dpm | seb128, -> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/desktop/get-started/ | 13:28 |
| xnox | xnox, so yeah. | 13:28 |
| Laney | xnox: no neo v4 though? | 13:29 |
| xnox | Laney, not yet | 13:29 |
| seb128 | dpm, maybe before snappy->snapd | 13:29 |
| xnox | they switched the vendor and rumour has it, the nfc v4 (or i guess v5 will come) | 13:29 |
| seb128 | dpm, in any case it's a store issue, not a g-s one | 13:29 |
| Laney | nice | 13:29 |
| seb128 | dholbach, weird, do you have a debuglog to share? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | the channel is more active that I though | 13:30 |
| seb128 | today is not a bank holiday in the u.k I guess? | 13:30 |
| Laney | hi seb128 | 13:30 |
| Laney | we had that on monday | 13:30 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 13:30 |
| seb128 | monday was for the 1st of may right? | 13:30 |
| willcooke | dpm, can you install one of the two results you have now? | 13:30 |
| seb128 | today is assumption day | 13:31 |
| seb128 | ascension | 13:31 |
| seb128 | doh | 13:31 |
| seb128 | dholbach, isn't it a vac for you? | 13:32 |
| dholbach | seb128, output of strace -eopen,stat gnome-software (http://paste.ubuntu.com/16237969/) | 13:32 |
| Laney | yes it's a replacement one | 13:32 |
| seb128 | I see | 13:32 |
| seb128 | dholbach, no normal log? | 13:32 |
| dholbach | seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16237898/ | 13:32 |
| dpm | willcooke, will try in a bit, need to jump on a call, will be filing some bugs :) | 13:33 |
| seb128 | dholbach, did you try to kill the running instance? that log looks like it's not starting but exiting on favor or an existing one | 13:34 |
| dholbach | seb128, yes, several times | 13:34 |
| seb128 | dholbach, can you kill it and get a log with --verbose? | 13:34 |
| dholbach | I also removed its cache and config | 13:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, did you try helping dholbach already? (I just joined and start wondering how much debugging there was before that) | 13:35 |
| willcooke | dholbach, is your issue the same as dpm - in that it used to find ubuntu-calculator if you just searched for "calculator" and now it doesnt? What happens if you search for "ubuntu-cal" - does it show up then | 13:35 |
| Laney | seb128: no, I don't want to join the fight here, I just came back from lunch | 13:35 |
| seb128 | Laney, k | 13:35 |
| Laney | attente was involved | 13:35 |
| dholbach | willcooke, 'ubuntu-cal' works for me, my problem is that no apt/dpkg packages are shown | 13:36 |
| seb128 | dholbach, can you get the verbose log? ;-) | 13:37 |
| dholbach | on it | 13:37 |
| dholbach | but in a call | 13:37 |
| dholbach | attente, seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16238226/ | 13:38 |
| attente | dholbach: anything in /var/cache/app-info? | 13:38 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16238236/ | 13:39 |
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| attente | dholbach: /var/lib/app-info too? | 13:39 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16238249/ | 13:39 |
| willcooke | dholbach, do you have the U8 session installed as well? | 13:39 |
| dholbach | yes | 13:39 |
| willcooke | :) | 13:39 |
| willcooke | I wonder | 13:40 |
| willcooke | could be the first fall out from the PK thing seb128? When you pull in U8 | 13:40 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I was starting to think the same | 13:41 |
| seb128 | dholbach, dpkg -l | grep aptdaemon | 13:41 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16238284/ | 13:42 |
| seb128 | dholbach, your full log doesn't have the failed to open error and seems to list quite some content | 13:43 |
| dholbach | they went to stderr | 13:43 |
| dholbach | they are the same as what's in the log I pasted earlier | 13:44 |
| dholbach | seb128, UOS is not a vac :) | 13:44 |
| seb128 | dholbach, yeah, tell me :-/ | 13:44 |
| * dholbach hugs seb128 | 13:44 | |
| * seb128 hugs dholbach back | 13:44 | |
| seb128 | attente, dholbach, everything in that log is kind "unknown" | 13:46 |
| seb128 | dholbach, when did the issue start? | 13:46 |
| dholbach | let me know if there's anything else I can try to do | 13:47 |
| dholbach | I don't know - I haven't used it much | 13:47 |
| attente | seb128: are you reproducing it too? | 13:47 |
| dholbach | I just tried it earlier to prepare for a demo with dpm | 13:47 |
| seb128 | attente, no | 13:47 |
| attente | dholbach: and apt update, killing g-s, starting g-s didn't do anything? | 13:48 |
| dholbach | no | 13:48 |
| dholbach | I was up to date | 13:48 |
| dholbach | and restarted my machine even | 13:48 |
| Laney | appstreamcli search . | 13:49 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16238415/ | 13:50 |
| seb128 | dholbach, what ubuntu serie do you use? | 13:55 |
| dholbach | xenial | 13:55 |
| seb128 | can you share syslog? | 13:55 |
| attente | what's that u8 pk change that happened? | 13:55 |
| attente | is it supposed to remove aptdaemon or something? | 13:56 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16238523/ | 13:56 |
| seb128 | attente, it removes the pkgkitcompat layer | 13:56 |
| attente | so i'm fully up-to-date. what package should i install to try to reproduce? | 14:00 |
| seb128 | attente, unsure if that's something where you install a package to reproduce, that was a random guess I think | 14:01 |
| Laney | those 'failed to call' messages are probably the thing to debug | 14:01 |
| seb128 | right | 14:02 |
| seb128 | dholbach, ls -ld /var/lib/app-info ? | 14:04 |
| dholbach | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 19 15:05 /var/lib/app-info | 14:05 |
| dholbach | attente, unity8-desktop-session-mir maybe(?), if it's about unity8 | 14:06 |
| seb128 | dholbach, | 14:06 |
| seb128 | appstreamcli dump vlc.desktop | 14:06 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16238714/ | 14:07 |
| pitti | seb128, xnox: meh, got double-booked with a Mark session on our UOS session upstart | 14:07 |
| pitti | I asked to move it, but you might need to start without me | 14:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, hum, k, if you can't be there we better reschedule I think? | 14:08 |
| seb128 | Laney, attente, where is the gs "kind" info coming from? | 14:08 |
| Laney | plugins set it once they figure out what kind a component is | 14:10 |
| xnox | pitti, i noticed | 14:10 |
| seb128 | dholbach, do you get the same issue in a guest session? | 14:13 |
| dholbach | seb128, I won't be able to try today, to busy because of UOS | 14:13 |
| dholbach | s/to/too | 14:13 |
| seb128 | dholbach, sorry I've no idea about that issue | 14:14 |
| Laney | normally the appstream plugin is responsible for making application objects and setting them to be desktop applications (the ones we normally show) | 14:15 |
| dholbach | yeah... I don't know either | 14:15 |
| dholbach | gnome-software just shows snaps right now | 14:15 |
| seb128 | so it all goes down to appstream failing to load on a no such file or directory | 14:15 |
| Laney | I think you want to attack this directly and find out why you're getting those messages | 14:15 |
| seb128 | right, no idea about that though | 14:15 |
| seb128 | the files are there on disk and permissions are ok | 14:15 |
| seb128 | appstreamcli find them | 14:15 |
| seb128 | and strace doesn't show anything weird | 14:15 |
| Laney | sure | 14:16 |
| Laney | that's why more debugging is required | 14:16 |
| seb128 | failed to call gs_plugin_refine on appstream: Error opening file: No such file or directory | 14:16 |
| willcooke | seb128, worth reinstalling the compat layer just to see what happens? | 14:16 |
| Laney | can't do that without being able to reproduce though | 14:16 |
| Laney | :( | 14:16 |
| seb128 | do we know what file exactly it's trying to open? | 14:16 |
| Laney | that is the debugging | 14:16 |
| Laney | you need to trace gs_plugin_refine_app in src/plugins/gs-plugin-appstream.c and find out where the error comes from | 14:19 |
| seb128 | dholbach, can you strace -f gnome-software and share the log? | 14:20 |
| dholbach | the log is like 30M already and the UI didn't even come up yet | 14:22 |
| seb128 | dholbach, ctrl-C, gzip? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | or do it again but ctrl-C after 10s | 14:23 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: A friendly reminder of that bug... | 14:23 |
| Laney | No need | 14:24 |
| dholbach | seb128, http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/log.gz | 14:25 |
| seb128 | dholbach, danke | 14:26 |
| dholbach | de rien | 14:26 |
| attente | dholbach: any chance you're on a metered wifi connection? | 14:31 |
| dholbach | attente, metered? | 14:31 |
| dholbach | I'm on wifi at home | 14:31 |
| attente | dholbach: just speculating if the refresh is doing something differently in case you're on 3g | 14:31 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 14:32 |
| attente | but guess not | 14:32 |
| dholbach | no, that shouldn't be the case | 14:32 |
| seb128 | dholbach, is /var/lib/app-info/yaml/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial_main_dep11_Components-amd64.yml.gz pointing to a valid file? | 14:33 |
| seb128 | and how big is that file? | 14:33 |
| dholbach | ah no | 14:33 |
| dholbach | points to /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial_main_dep11_Components-amd64.yml.gz which does not exist | 14:33 |
| dholbach | ah... I guess I moved from archive.u.c to de.archive.u.c at some stage | 14:33 |
| dholbach | maybe that's why(?) | 14:33 |
| seb128 | did you try to click on the "refresh" button in g-s? | 14:34 |
| seb128 | on the top left | 14:34 |
| seb128 | attente, Laney, when are those /var/lib/app-info/yaml links updated? | 14:34 |
| dholbach | where is the refresh button? | 14:35 |
| seb128 | if you go to the updates tab | 14:35 |
| attente | should be during an apt update. refreshing with the button on the updates tab should trigger it though | 14:35 |
| seb128 | in the top left | 14:35 |
| seb128 | dholbach, can you copy the log of a sudo apt-get update as well? | 14:35 |
| seb128 | see if you have warnings/errors there | 14:35 |
| seb128 | I wonder if you have that bug where an invalid repo is breaking the update | 14:36 |
| dholbach | the update is taking ages | 14:36 |
| dholbach | in g-s | 14:36 |
| dholbach | now it says "it's all up to date" | 14:36 |
| dholbach | and the broken symlinks are still there | 14:36 |
| seb128 | k | 14:36 |
| seb128 | sudo apt-get update | pastebininit :p | 14:37 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16239267/ | 14:37 |
| seb128 | iz mvo's fault! | 14:37 |
| seb128 | dholbach, does it fix it if you disable the spotify repo and do another update? | 14:37 |
| dholbach | let me see | 14:37 |
| dholbach | the symlinks are now up to date | 14:39 |
| seb128 | and g-s works I guess? | 14:39 |
| dholbach | yes, it took a while to load | 14:39 |
| dholbach | but it looks good now | 14:39 |
| seb128 | k | 14:39 |
| seb128 | so we figured it out! | 14:39 |
| attente | so is appstreamcli refresh not getting called when apt update fails? | 14:40 |
| dholbach | dpm, issue found, tldr: apt repos with weaker security break appstreamcli's data update, g-s gets confused over missing data | 14:40 |
| dholbach | attente, seb128: I'm sure that MANY users see this issue | 14:40 |
| dholbach | Laney, ^ | 14:41 |
| seb128 | yeah, ,likely | 14:41 |
| dholbach | can't appstreamcli just take the apt lists which are good and up to date? | 14:42 |
| Laney | apt is not calling appstreamcli | 14:42 |
| Laney | because it thinks the update failed | 14:43 |
| dholbach | mh | 14:43 |
| seb128 | told yeah, iz mvo bog! :-) | 14:43 |
| attente | lol | 14:43 |
| seb128 | yeah->ya | 14:44 |
| seb128 | g-s could also give some clue that the index refresh is failing | 14:44 |
| attente | yeah | 14:45 |
| Laney | saying what? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | "the package index update failed, check your sources?" | 14:47 |
| seb128 | with maybe with a detail showing eventual E: | 14:48 |
| seb128 | "E: The repository 'http://repository.spotify.com stable Release' does not have a Release file." | 14:48 |
| seb128 | dunno | 14:48 |
| seb128 | any error would be better than letting you hitting refresh again and again and not telling you it's failing | 14:48 |
| attente | i don't understand why g-s wouldn't work when appstreamcli search . was clearly working at the time | 14:53 |
| Laney | I imagine there's something that could be done, like | 14:53 |
| Laney | - g-s knows there's no GsApps to display | 14:54 |
| Laney | - try to refresh | 14:54 |
| Laney | - if that fails, display some message | 14:54 |
| Laney | It sort of intersects with the first run work | 14:54 |
| Laney | Clearly needs design | 14:54 |
| Laney | and also clearly is not Ubuntu specific | 14:54 |
| seb128 | right | 14:54 |
| Laney | In this case we should look for a solution that gets the index refreshed | 14:55 |
| Laney | attente: appstream-glib accesses the .yaml files itself | 14:55 |
| seb128 | seems like dholbach had indexed in the apt dir | 14:55 |
| attente | should the appstream plugin try to do a refresh itself? | 14:55 |
| Laney | .yml.gz, whatevs | 14:55 |
| seb128 | why are we not using those directly? | 14:55 |
| Laney | it doesn't use that same database | 14:55 |
| seb128 | and relying on symlinks that might be wrong/outdated | 14:56 |
| seb128 | but the /var/lib/app-info/yaml ones are symlinks, not different db | 14:56 |
| seb128 | they just pointed to the wrong files in his case | 14:56 |
| Laney | I didn't say that they weren't symlnks. | 14:56 |
| Laney | I said that appstreamcli search is looking at a different thing to appstream-glib. | 14:56 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 14:57 |
| Laney | Usually they coinciide (so it is a useful test), but not always | 14:57 |
| Laney | And I would imagine it's because appstream-glib doesn't want to know about apt's private directories | 14:57 |
| Laney | Probably it's valid for other things to put appstream in that place | 14:57 |
| xnox | pitti, seb128: i'm double booked too.... shall we move/postpone the upstart user session ? | 15:01 |
| pitti | hm, meh | 15:01 |
| seb128 | xnox, pitti, +1 | 15:01 |
| pitti | I guess we have to | 15:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, attente, unsure if apt failing on invalid report is a bug or a feature? it could skip over those and get the update done anyway | 15:02 |
| seb128 | need to check with mvo when he's around | 15:03 |
| attente | maybe it's actually more appropriate for the appstream plugin in gnome-software to actually refresh the cache itself instead of depending on apt to do it | 15:05 |
| mhall119 | pitti: are you all set for your UOS session? | 15:57 |
| pitti | mhall119: sorry, no, double-booked with a Mark session on the sprint here | 15:57 |
| mhall119 | is there someone else who can run it? | 15:57 |
| pitti | I don't actually know much about the session upstart rationale/integration, so if seb128 and xnox want to go along, please do | 15:59 |
| pitti | otherwise we need to postpone | 15:59 |
| pitti | sorry, sprint craziness | 15:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, mhall119, xnox is also double booked and I didn't prepare much, better to postpone | 15:59 |
| mhall119 | pitti: can you do it at 1800 UTC? | 16:00 |
| pitti | mhall119: WFM, if seb128 can do that too | 16:04 |
| mhall119 | seb128: ? | 16:05 |
| seb128 | mhall119, pitti, no, sorry, I've dinner plans that conflict :-/ | 16:05 |
| pitti | I guess we'll talk about it next week then | 16:05 |
| seb128 | but feel free to do it without me | 16:05 |
| mhall119 | pitti: can we schedule it for ubuntuonair.com next week? | 16:05 |
| pitti | this is all desktop-y work, not much point without desktop guys aroud | 16:05 |
| pitti | we probably should just do a three-day sprint (virtual or real) for this | 16:06 |
| pitti | Laney, seb128, xnox and me perhaps | 16:06 |
| seb128 | that would work as well | 16:07 |
| Laney | let's talk next week | 16:07 |
| * Laney isn't sure of the scope yet | 16:07 | |
| pitti | seb128, Laney: who would actually have some knowledge about how the current system works? | 16:08 |
| Laney | which part? | 16:08 |
| pitti | i. e. rationale for moving so much stuff to upstart instead of dbus activation, etc. | 16:08 |
| pitti | Laney: well, everything :) | 16:09 |
| pitti | i .e. how the session starts under upstart, and converting gnome-session to upstart jobs, etc. | 16:09 |
| Laney | stgraber drove most of it I think | 16:09 |
| pitti | tedg? | 16:09 |
| Laney | I know how but can't really speak to why | 16:09 |
| Laney | just "make things event driven" probably | 16:09 |
| pitti | Laney: ah, so mirroring the phases of g-sessoin? | 16:10 |
| tedg | Yes, event driven was important, but also having logging and control. | 16:10 |
| tedg | We had for instance every indicator implementing logic for managing restarts for debugging. | 16:10 |
| pitti | (previous Mark session is running over, but unsure when our's starts) | 16:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, tedg yes | 16:11 |
| tedg | Where we were able to remove all that code and just use Upstart | 16:11 |
| tedg | DBus activation also has some interesting race cases that we never solved. Those are largely fixed by systemd, but I'd not recommend dbus activation without systemd managing the bus. | 16:12 |
| Laney | byeeEEee | 17:07 |
| willcooke | see ya Laney | 17:07 |
| willcooke | gnight all | 19:44 |
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