[00:08] <festerB> pilne: the close buttun
[00:08] <festerB> button^
[00:15] <Gallomimia> well so far i quite like MATE
[00:15] <Gallomimia> could stand with a few tools to manage panels and applets i think. they're so extensive. templates and ideas for setups would be cool
[00:16] <pilne> there are a few in the mate tweak
[00:16] <pilne> hrm festerB i'm not sure what's going on then
[00:16] <pilne> how are you installing the games?
[00:19] <festerB> pilne: the usual way I guess, ubuntu software center and/or ubuntu software
[00:22] <pilne> hrm, when i go to system/control center/main menu. games is checked already, and all of the possible entries for it are checked as well. I didn't mess with anything from the default in this regard
[00:24] <festerB> pilne: same here, newish 16.04 mate install, not an upgrade
[00:30] <pilne> yeup, the *only* difference is that i've used the command line (apt or apt-get) for everything, but that shouldn't do fuckall really
[00:30] <pilne> are you using the "regular" or "advanced" menu?
[00:33] <kisb> how to install ubuntu tweak in 16.04
[00:33] <kisb> ppa is failing
[00:37] <festerB> pilne: how can I check? reg v adv?
[00:40] <pilne> unity tweak and gnome tweak probably shouldn't be installed in mint
[00:41] <pilne> the panel, does it show just one icon, or "applications, places, system"
[00:41] <pilne> errr mate
[00:41] <kisb> trying to test out flatabulous theme
[00:42] <Gallomimia> ive looked all thru the mate tweak. lots of good options, but still need a few ideas on panel gizmos
[00:42] <Gallomimia> i'm pleased with the cpu clock watcher
[00:44] <Gallomimia> tho having an 8 core cpu makes it tough to watch them all. maybe something that showed if any were different
[00:44] <festerB> pilne: places, system, close to bottom, 9 other items above, 3 below, logout. lock and shutdown
[00:45] <pilne> so it is one "button" to get to all of it? like windows "start button" style, or are there three distinct "buttons" that make menus?
[00:46] <festerB> pilne: start button style, yes
[00:46] <pilne> that's the advanced menu, let me see how mine behaves if i toggle to it
[00:47] <festerB> pilne: how do u toggle it back?
[00:48] <pilne> get to the "control center" "mate tweak" "interface" and then there is a clicky button for "enable advanced menu"
[00:50] <festerB> pilne: ah, "enable advanced menu" is gray'ed out here
[00:52] <pilne> maybe because of the panel you are using? i have mine on "ubuntu mate"
[01:01] <festerB> pilne: just tried, no luck, i'm using redmond, tried both reg and adv, no luck, i'm now noticing that games and other are in italics in edit menu, possibly it's not detecting any games on the system
[01:05] <glass> does mate have a pre installed command line browser?
[01:05] <glass> internet browser that is.
[01:05] <pilne> hrm festerB yer gettin outta where i understand that
[01:05] <pilne> not as far as I've seen glass
[01:06] <glass> thanks pilne: is links the goto one as far as you know?
[01:09] <festerB> pilne: got games showing up, installed tux racer from the software boutiqe and it shows up now
[01:09] <pilne> nice festerB!
[01:10] <festerB> sheesh kebab, so many software <your ymmv> installs... ;)
[01:10] <pilne> links, lynx, links2 are all there, and i think there are a couple other cli browsers as well
[01:16] <glass> any of those have flash support?
[01:17] <glass> nevermind realized how lazy that was im checking them now lol
[01:18] <pilne> links2 can call external things, but i'm not sure you can flash in either tbh
[01:18] <glass> guess im going to have to reflash my router and make it dd-wrt
[03:56] <n-iCe> hello guys
[03:56] <n-iCe> how is this distro working for laptops?
[04:02] <sinewav> Using it now on a Dell Inspiron 1525 and no problems.
[04:03] <shantorn> it works very well on my 5 year old asus u43jc
[04:04] <n-iCe> better than lubuntu?
[04:05] <shantorn> i cant say i havent run lubuntu,but its quick on my machine
[04:05] <sinewav> I would say yes, the trade off in performance for so many features is worth it. I was using Xubuntu before this but lately Thunar is broken horribly.
[04:05] <n-iCe> and what about ubuntu?
[04:06] <sinewav> Haven't run straight Ubuntu in years. My hardware is over 6 years old.
[04:06] <n-iCe> I see
[05:01] <kaiza> Trying to upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 I get 'Cannot calculate upgrade' error about held broken packages
[05:02] <kaiza> but I can't seem to determine which packages using
[05:02] <kaiza> grep -A 5 -B 5 ERROR /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[05:03] <kaiza> anyone know of other ways to determine the held broken packages?
[05:14] <kaiza> I may have found the culprit. Experimental graphics drivers ppa
[05:25] <n-iCe> Wow, the ubuntu mate iso is bigger than the Ubuntu one, how is that possible?
[05:26] <n-iCe> 1.64GB
[05:34] <Mikaela> n-iCe: I think Ubuntu MATE includes better translation support out of the box while Ubuntu one requires downloading them during or after installation
[05:34] <n-iCe> Mikaela: I see
[05:35] <n-iCe> Mikaela: have you used lubuntu?
[05:38] <Mikaela> Yes, but not eecebtly
[05:38] <n-iCe> I'm downloading Ubuntu Mate, somehow I read in an article that is one of the best distros for laptops.
[05:40] <n-iCe> Mikaela: you just use mate?
[07:42] <jack> Hello
[07:42] <alkisg> Hello
[07:42] <codymkw> sometimes when turning computer on it says Failed to start LSB: QEMU KVM module loading script.
[07:43] <alkisg> codymkw: that means this service is failing for you: /etc/init.d/qemu-kvm
[07:44] <alkisg> You can check the logs to find out why it failed, or you can try to start it manually
[07:53] <codymkw> what is it for?
[07:53] <ouroumov> codymkw, virtual machines
[08:08] <alkisg> flexiondotorg, bennabiy: I attached a patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1568170
[08:12] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: do you mind if I also request ubottu here, so that it reacts when bugs are mentioned and tells us the description etc?
[08:39] <alkisg> bennabiy: btw, in the installation where you were experiencing the advanced menu crash, do you have the package "ubuntu-mate-desktop" installed? Here in one pc that I experienced it, I didn't have that package, while in other, more recent installations, I do have it
[08:40] <alkisg> Ouch, installing ubuntu-mate-desktop pulls in unity and a lot of other packages that shouldn't be pulled...
[10:18] <watsug> Hello, I have a question about the mouse settings in Ubuntu MATE. Is it possible to change the mouse pointer speed without using acceleration?
[10:39] <festerB> watsug: not sure I understand, do you mean from the command line or with some other settings tool?
[10:51] <watsug> festerB, Is it not possible in the mouse preferences window? The one built in.
[10:55] <festerB> watsug: yes, I was using that menu the other day after a fresh install, I was having trouble with the mose on window edges when trying til resize them, got it fixed by using the sensitivity slider, not acceleration, are you having similar problems with the mouse?
[10:56] <festerB> errr... mose=mouse ;)
[11:25] <rajiv_> I have downloaded gnome-software on ubuntu-mate 16.04 lts. When first time i open it, it was not working. So, i turn off the computer.But now when i turn on the computer it is working properly. Someone please tell me if possible why the gnome-softeare was not working as soon as i installed it.
[11:29] <Akuli> rajiv_: Had it fully finished installing and how was it not working?
[11:33] <rajiv_> Akuli: When i first open it, it says me to update something and i allow it to update by clicking on "yes" option. thereafter i waited for at least 1 hour in front of the computer by opening gnome-software but it does nothing.
[11:34] <Akuli> I think logging out and back in would have been enough
[11:36] <rajiv_> I think you are right. thank you for help. How i was not think about it:)
[13:05] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[14:03] <bruce_> some times the network connection doesn't work ubuntu 16.01?
[14:06] <nomic> what type of network
[14:06] <bruce_> wired
[14:06] <nomic> would think that network issues are hardware related , firstly look at that
[14:06] <nomic> nfs?
[14:06] <nomic> ask on forums because this place isn't always that  busy
[14:07] <bruce_> I have to reboot then it works
[14:07] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.community/   http://ubuntuforums.org/
[14:07] <nomic> your networking stays working for how long?
[14:08] <bruce_> as long as the computer is on
[14:09] <bruce_> I just updated from 14.01 . It worked fine with that .
[14:09] <Akuli> You can still user 14.04
[14:09] <Akuli> user
[14:09] <Akuli> use
[14:09] <Akuli> lol
[14:09] <bruce_> no I can't.
[14:10] <Akuli> Why not?
[14:10] <Akuli> Just back up and install 14.04 :)
[14:10] <bruce_> cause i updated the computer to 16.01
[14:10] <Akuli> The computer didn't change any, you can always back up everything and install 14.04
[14:11] <Akuli> Just the content of the hard drive changed when you upgraded :)
[14:11] <bruce_> Do you mean 16.01 is flafey
[14:11] <Akuli> No, but you can move to 14.04 if you want
[14:11] <bruce_> flakey    bad
[14:12] <Akuli> Anyway, i'm pretty sure you can get your network issue fixed anyway :)
[14:12] <bruce_> it workes sometimes
[14:13] <bruce_> a good OS would work all the time
[14:13] <Akuli> A good network manager would work all the time :)
[14:13] <Akuli> What exactly happens when it doesn't work?
[14:13] <bruce_> that is not me
[14:14] <bruce_> the two little arrows aren't there
[14:15] <Akuli> so the whole thing just goes away?
[14:15] <bruce_> up at the top right of menu bar
[14:15] <Akuli> Next time that happens open a terminal and type nm-applet
[14:16] <Akuli> Or an Alt+F2 box if you don't want to have a terminal running all the time just to use your internet connection
[14:16] <bruce_> OK I wrote that down
[14:17] <bruce_> I will give that a try
[14:19] <bruce_> thanks   bye
[14:45] <Akuli> Hi khw :)
[14:49] <khw> The Software Updater dialog box says 16.04 is available (I have Ubuntu MATE 15.10).  If I click the Upgrade button  am I going to get Ubuntu Mate or non-Mate?
[14:50] <khw> Akuli, trying it here too.
[14:50] <Akuli> ubuntu mate
[14:50] <ouroumov> Should be Ubuntu MATE. But that's weird that you're seeing that in your updater, I thought it wasn't going to happen before the 16.04.1 point release
[14:50] <Akuli> because to get non-mate ubuntu it'd have to install some stuff :)
[14:51] <Akuli> BUT
[14:51] <Akuli> i don't recommend upgrading just yet
[14:51] <Akuli> ubuntu 16.04 is offically lts, but after all 14.04 is more reliable
[14:52] <ouroumov> Akuli, he's currently on 15.10 though
[14:53] <Akuli> oh well :)
[14:53] <Akuli> Then 16.04 is probably an improvement
[14:53] <Akuli> not based on my personal experience though, but i'm not biased so i can recommend it
[14:54] <teward> ouroumov: 15.10 -> 16.04, not 14.04 -> 16.04
[14:54] <teward> the LTS to LTS won't be up until 16.04.1 i believe
[14:57] <khw> It is definitely my experience that 15.10 is much better than 14.04 (I think it was)
[14:58] <ouroumov> teward, you mean not-lts releases are seing the upgrade now? Didn't know, thanks.
[14:58] <Akuli> khw: depends on what you want, i'd never install 15.10 on an actual computer
[14:59] <teward> ouroumov: AFAIK yes, but i can spin up 15.10 and check :P
[14:59] <teward> ... later
[14:59]  * teward is busy
[14:59] <khw> ouroumov, my 15.10 started showing the upgrade at least a couple weeks ago.
[15:00] <ouroumov> aighty
[15:10] <bennabiy> alkisg: I will check
[15:11] <bennabiy> alkisg: ubuntu-mate-desktop is not installed
[15:38] <Shavington> Hi all
[16:08] <festerB> is there a formal date out on 16.04.1?
[16:15] <mate|21499> Should casuals use ubuntu mate?
[16:16] <hid|ninja> mate|21499: yes, it's a good alternative to windows
[16:17] <hid|ninja> windows is spying on their users, i dont think ubuntu does
[16:18] <mate|21499> Hope so :D I am trying to switch right now but it is very difficult for me
[16:19] <sixwheeledbeast> difficult in what ways?
[16:20] <mate|21499> many of my task still require windows
[16:20] <mate|21499> I found similar software for linux but I still have to test it and get used to the software
[16:22] <mordoc> Hang in there, I personally find I have to go cold turkey and force myself to use what Linux offers.
[16:22] <sixwheeledbeast> what tasks?
[16:25] <mate|21499> I often do video editing for work and school and image design, work on sound and so on. I am used to the adobe CC but  they dont offer anything for linux so I ll try to get used to lightworks, gimp and for the other stuff I am still searching for professional alternatives
[16:25] <sixwheeledbeast> You can use Wine compatibility layer for many windows only software. I found switching years ago a breeze and never even missed windows at all.
[16:26] <Guest88794> for video editing you can try kdenlive. It is semiprofessional but make sure you safe your files from time to time. There are still some bugs left
[16:27] <MrBIOS> also worth looking at http://www.pitivi.org/
[16:27] <sixwheeledbeast> In fact i can do many things more efficiently. GIMP is pretty solid for picture editting
[16:27] <mate|21499> there is the problem for me. I need very reliable software
[16:27] <mate|21499> okay, I ll check it
[16:27] <Guest88794> pitivi is a smaller solution than kdenlive but also o.k.
[16:28] <Guest88794> gimp is great and especially under linux you have many ad on options
[16:28] <MrBIOS> might also want to take a look at Cinelarra
[16:28] <sixwheeledbeast> Audacity for audio editing
[16:29] <Guest88794> Cinelerra is super but with a steep learning curve
[16:30] <Guest88794> question about ubuntu mate 16.04 which I have installed recentely on different (older) machines
[16:30] <Guest88794> ....on two IBM T43 different behaviour concerning stopping.
[16:31] <Guest88794> on the one machine everything is fine
[16:31] <Guest88794> on the other one it takes minutes to shut down the system
[16:31] <Guest88794> the other installation is on a HP 2510p
[16:32] <Guest88794> the start screen shows only a grey window (might be scale 4:3) the native screen is 16:9
[16:32] <Guest88794> basically everything works absolutely fine on all machines besides these
[16:32] <Guest88794> ramp up and stop "issues" ....(not really issues)
[16:32] <Guest88794> does anyone have a clue?
[16:35] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|21499: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=29832 if you really need adobe cc it runs in Wine (see link)  I would look for FOSS alternative myself
[16:59] <festerB> Guest88794: I would start by making sure your pc's are using proprietary video drivers - ibm's and hp - or the other way around if they already are
[17:03] <Guest88794> festerB: thanks for that hint. Everything concerning video works aboslutely fine on all 3 machines ....besides start up and stop. Do you still think that a proprietary driver could be a solution?
[17:03] <Guest88794> question: are there log files especially for the start/stop procedure somewhere under /var/log ?
[17:04] <Akuli> maybe you need an older kernel for an older computer?
[17:04] <Akuli> But check the video drivers first
[17:06] <festerB> Guest88794: On my system there's one more proprietary driver for the chipset, you can't miss it when you look at the video one's, they are presented in the same place
[17:06] <Guest88794> o.k. will do that. I come from Linux Mint LTS 12.04 and have to say that with the new Ubuntu Mate 16.04 all machines do need less CPU now, do not run warm any more and run smoother especially when it comes to firefox and internet
[17:07] <Guest88794> festerB can you quickly tell me where to find the drivers? So far I have no proprietary ones on my system. Can I download from the HP homepage?
[17:07] <Guest88794> ...or from the repositories?
[17:08] <festerB> Guest88794: Settings->Software and updates->Additional drivers tab
[17:10] <Guest88794> festerB ...I will check ....
[17:12] <Guest88794> festerB: it says (what I knew before...) that I do not use proprietary drivers on my system. Question: where do I get the proprietarien ones from? (e.g. directly from HP?)
[17:14] <Guest88794> oh..it found a proprietary driver: but for the CPU which seems to work great (see above) less CPU usage than before
[17:15] <festerB> Guest88794: I'm guessing here but I think your system will detect and install correct drivers, are the ibm's and hp connected to the network?
[17:15] <Guest88794> yes sir, they are. I am with the machine we are talking about in the IRC right now
[17:16] <festerB> Guest88794: Also on the first tab on Software and updates, make sure the proprietary box is checked
[17:16] <Guest88794> ...let me check
[17:19] <Guest88794> ...these boxes are ticket: I am using "restricted" and "multiverse" i.e. proprietary is included
[17:20] <Guest88794> festerB: may be the ubuntu 16.04 distro is still so "young" lets wait and see, may be these tiny "issues" will be gone sooner or later. The distro itself is just great!
[17:21] <Guest88794> thanks for the help in the chat, I am afk now. A great day to all of you guys!
[17:21] <festerB> Guest88794: ok,np
[17:37] <mate|33116> Hi, i wonder if someone can help me, I have been having problems playing videos in Youtube for a while now, my system is up to date, and firefox and chromium both do not work?
[17:37] <nomic> on a pi?
[17:37] <mate|33116> No PC
[17:38] <nomic> maybe try using the mate browser
[17:38] <nomic> or download youtubes using youtube-dl
[17:39] <mate|33116> well other users are saying that theres works fine
[17:39] <nomic> ask on forums
[17:39] <mate|33116> ive search forums, no solid answers?
[17:39] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[17:39] <nomic> post question
[17:39] <nomic> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[17:40] <mate|33116> i do believe there is another answer to this
[17:40] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|33116: what happens when you try to play youtube video?
[17:41] <mate|33116> an error ocurred. please try again later (Playback ID....)
[17:42] <mate|33116> on chromium and firefox is the same, i have ubuntu restricted extras installed also
[17:45] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|33116: go to http://www.youtube.com/html5 to see if your using html5
[17:47] <mate|33116> ive already checked and i am
[17:47] <mate|33116> The HTML5 player is currently used when possible.
[17:48] <sixwheeledbeast> well I have no issue on html5 or flash with ff. does the video play at all?
[17:51] <mate|33116> on firefox the video just hangs, no sound, doesnt start, not even the adverts, and just says "if playback doesnt begin shortly, try restarting device"
[17:56] <gordonjcp> mate|33116: are you using an adblocker?
[17:56] <sixwheeledbeast> Have you rebooted? tried firefox in safe mode?
[17:57] <gordonjcp> mate|33116: youtube have got *really* obnoxious of late with their adverts
[17:57] <gordonjcp> and if you're running an adblocker, you get no video at all
[17:58] <mate|33116> im not running any adblockers
[18:02] <mate|33116> it at least trys to play video on firefox --safe-mode, but still nothing ?
[18:02] <mate|33116> nope same message as before
[18:13] <sixwheeledbeast> if you have started in safe mode with all addons disabled then it's not firefox. Is anything else not working correctly?
[18:19] <Akuli> mate|33116: which version of firefox? have you updated it?
[18:19] <Akuli> mate|33116: try reinstalling: sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[18:19] <Akuli> sudo apt-get update first
[18:45] <mate|33116> sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox , has made no difference still will not play youtube videos?
[18:51] <mate|33116> Im using Firefox 46
[19:08] <mate|33116> ok so theres no answers then
[19:10] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|33116: check your graphics drivers in System > Prefs > Hardware > Additional Drivers.
[19:10] <sixwheeledbeast> bye...
[19:14] <alkisg> bennabiy: can you comment about it in the bug report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1568170
[19:28] <scottman> new to mate, setting up my vpns, does it not show a lock icon when in vpn mode?
[19:29] <rajiv1> Is it necessary to restart the computer after completely removing a package by using the command "sudo apt purge <package name>?
[19:30] <alkisg> Usually no, unless it's some special package with services etc
[19:32] <chewey> I have a 4096x2160 display connected to a Skylake-driven Displayport – but I can only set a meximum resolution of 3840x2160 in Ubuntu Mate 16.04, even using the 4.6 drm-intel-next kernel. Any idea about where I could kick it?
[19:34] <chewey> Interesting aside: The Ubuntu (non-MATE) installer used the whole display width, the installed (non-MATE) Ubuntu however didn't even make it to the login screen…
[19:35] <alkisg> chewey: try asking in #ubuntu-x
[19:35] <alkisg> It's kernel + graphics related, not much desktop-environment specific...
[19:35] <rajiv1> alkisg: Actually  i have just removed gnome-software because its not working properly . Do i need a restart before installing it again?
[19:36] <alkisg> rajiv1: no, you shouldn't need to restart. Did its postinst finish running?
[19:36] <rajiv1> alkisg:yes.
[19:37] <alkisg> Did you install it via the terminal, apt-get install etc?
[19:37] <rajiv1> alkisg: yes.
[19:38] <alkisg> What does it do and it doesn't work properly?
[19:39] <rajiv1> alkisg: I think it was not working properly. whenever i open it it does nothing.
[19:40] <chewey> alkisg: The DE seems to have some influence too: installing MATE on the plain Ubuntu setup made the login work.
[19:40] <chewey> But thanks for the pointer to the other channel.
[19:42] <alkisg> chewey: that's just grub using vga=xxx or nomodeset etc, not really de specific
[19:42] <alkisg> Or metacity not using 3d, while compiz uses 3d, stuff like that
[19:43] <alkisg> Those don't address the actual issue
[19:44] <chewey> right
[20:03] <ubuntu_> Hello World!!!
[20:04] <ubuntu_> any body here?
[20:05] <ubuntu_> .
[20:56] <bennabiy> alkisg: what would you like for me to comment about? The missing ubuntu-mate-desktop?
[20:56] <alkisg> bennabiy: that you experienced the bug
[20:57] <alkisg> With noone mentioning that he still has a bug there, there will be no need to fix it
[20:57] <alkisg> And yes as a side note you could mention what you see and that you don't have ubuntu-mate-desktop installed and why (if you know) etc
[20:58] <bennabiy> It just was not installed with my fresh install
[20:58] <alkisg> Mine too, but I'm still not sure why we don't have that package
[21:07] <odroid> odroid in da housee
[21:09] <odroid> is hearthstone on linux yet?
[21:17] <Mordoc> Has anyone seen a fix for the missing mouse when switching users bug? It's Ubuntu wide apparently, just looking for info from an informed community.
[21:19] <rene__> has anyone got an idea on how i could get Flash to work on Ubuntu Mate 16.04 PPC
[21:21] <rene__> or youtube
[23:11] <scott_> Scott