[00:23] <cmaloney> Evening
[03:27] <cmaloney> jrwren: https://circleofdust.bandcamp.com/album/circle-of-dust-remastered-deluxe-edition
[12:54] <jrwren> cmaloney: anygood?
[12:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: I've had two versions of this album
[12:56] <cmaloney> this version is quite good
[12:57] <cmaloney> thinking about picking it up
[13:01] <cmaloney> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3135657
[13:01] <cmaloney> Apparently the Windows Store is open, even when you tell it to bugger off
[13:09] <jrwren> Windows 10 is just terrible. I'm pretty sorry I upgraded from 7 to it.
[13:09] <jrwren> Windows and OSX are getting so bad that I'm pretty sure I'll be all linux within 5 years.
[13:14] <cmaloney> yay!
[13:15] <cmaloney> OSX needs Jobs
[13:15] <cmaloney> I like Tim Cook but they've really lost the plot
[13:15] <cmaloney> even the faithful I listen to seem to have wavered
[13:17] <jrwren> I think the things that annoy me about OSX happened under Jobs.
[13:17] <cmaloney> Which things?
[13:17] <jrwren> getting rid of Samba for their own, poor, smb client and retiring the quicktime library are key.
[13:17] <jrwren> did you know that with the move from QuickTime to CoreVideo, OSX has no codec plugin mechanism?!?
[13:18] <jrwren> its like going back to 1994
[13:18] <cmaloney> No, I didn't.
[13:18] <cmaloney> So there's no easy way to implement codecs under OSX?
[13:18] <jrwren> not AFAICT
[13:19] <jrwren> You can use VLC. You can use MPV (an mplayer gui).  But those use their entire own stacks. Not the system video rendering stack.
[13:19] <cmaloney> Meh, that doesn't surprise me
[13:20] <cmaloney> VLC / mplayer tend to bring their own stack anyway
[13:20] <jrwren> right.
[13:20] <jrwren> but its sooo bad.
[13:20] <cmaloney> Honestly Quicktime was due for a curb-kicking
[13:21] <jrwren> Finder's QuickLook feature is so damn good, I want it for other gui filemanagers, but they are crippling the video player of QuickLook because of the codec limits
[13:21]  * jrwren points to "never rewrite" as a value.
[13:21] <jrwren> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html  ;]
[13:22] <cmaloney> Something tells me part of the reason for Quicktime getting sunned-down is security
[13:22] <cmaloney> and that it doesn't work well under Quicktime
[13:23] <cmaloney> iOS, rather
[13:23] <cmaloney> for the same reasons that Flash sucks
[13:23] <jrwren> ios never had quicktime afaik.  it always had (and still has) very limited codec support.
[13:23] <jrwren> in teh case of both windows and osx, the regression to the limitations of a handheld device is part of my gripe.
[13:24] <jrwren> windows at least has cortana.  why in the world doesn't osx have siri? its nonsensical.
[13:25] <jrwren> I feel like there was a brief period where windows and osx were not free, but were open enough to be useful and stable enough to be useful, and that period is closing quickly. Maybe already closed.
[13:25] <cmaloney> Not sure. Siri under OSX would be kind of sweet
[13:25] <cmaloney> Yeah
[13:26] <cmaloney> Apple is under so much pressure to make money
[13:26] <cmaloney> and I'm sure Microsoft is making stupid decisions for revenue
[13:26] <jrwren> sure, NOW they are, but they could have added siri to OSX at any time when they were in the money hurricane.
[13:27] <jrwren> i'm amazed MSFT still has its high revenue. They have done a great job pivoting to azure.
[13:27] <jrwren> I wonder how much they paid for Xamarin. I can't imagine it was cheap.
[13:27] <cmaloney> 3.50
[13:27] <cmaloney> ;)
[13:28] <cmaloney> I'll be surprised if Miguel will still work for Microsoft in a year
[13:28] <jrwren> same here, but his handcufs in the contract may be more like 3 years.
[13:28] <jrwren> same with Nat.
[13:29] <jrwren> I'm more interested in what they do next.
[13:29] <jrwren> but tehn again, they both stayed at Novel for a rather long time and novel wasn't giving them much in the way of resources, so who knows.
[13:29] <jrwren> They might be there for 10 yrs.
[13:30] <cmaloney> Yeah
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> i'm back
[14:25] <cmaloney> Welcome back
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> A/C maintenance in the server room last night
[14:25] <cmaloney> Where were you?
[14:25] <cmaloney> Lovely.
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> server downtime
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> my nemesis
[14:26] <cmaloney> mass hysteria
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> srsly tho
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> like 40 emails from people wondering what was going on
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> this has been planned for months
[14:26] <jrwren> someone communicated the plan poorly
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> its not my problem
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> i'm just an alumni now
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> actually alumnus is the singular, and idk if i can call myself that
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> having never graduated
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> but w/e
[14:28] <mrgoodcat> this is a wmu computer club server not a work server
[14:28] <jrwren> whoa, that takes me back.
[14:28] <mrgoodcat> to what?
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> did you go to wmu?
[14:30] <jrwren> no, but I knew some people there 15-20yrs ago
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> ah
[14:31] <jrwren> good LUG IIRC
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> some people that were there 15-20 years ago are actually still here
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> we have a lot of alumni members
[14:31] <jrwren> yeah, I could see Wes still being involved, maybe.
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> any idea what his handle would be?
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> idk real names for some people
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> haha
[14:32] <jrwren> no idea.
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> don weber was a member 30 ish years ago probably
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> now he's the technology directory for the college of arts and sciences here
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> director
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> not directory
[14:32] <jrwren> wow, he's seen a lot.
[14:33] <mrgoodcat> he was one of the super early members
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> my irc logs only go back to 2005-11-04 05:44:33 so i can't verify people i don't know that are older than that
[14:34] <cmaloney> Yow.
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> yea its quite a history
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> as of right now i have 6400093 lines of logs
[14:36] <jrwren> you keep 'em uncompressed? I recently decided to compress old text irc logs. Some were rather large.
[14:36] <jrwren> I really should point logrotate at them, but that requires more work ;]
[14:36] <cmaloney> heh
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> postgres db
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> i also have fairly extensive client txt logs
[14:37] <jrwren> oh nice.
[14:37] <jrwren> but then, that is even larger disk footprint ;]
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> yea
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> space isn't such an issue
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> 224M of text logs
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> idk how much the pg db is taking up
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> 6748234 lines of text logs from client logging
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> i IRC a lot
[14:39] <mrgoodcat> 167 logged channels
[14:39] <jrwren> i was over GB in text log, hence my desire to compress.
[14:39] <jrwren> that is lot of channels.
[14:40] <mrgoodcat> 3167MB pg database
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> including indexes and such
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> exactly 0 seconds spent optimizing indexes and whatnot so don't judge
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> we have various services for querying the logs so a DB makes sense for that
[14:44] <cmaloney> never be ashamed for using a database
[14:44] <cmaloney>  that's what they're there for
[14:45] <jrwren> yeah, HUGE
[14:46] <jrwren> and yes, what cmaloney said.
[14:46] <jrwren> its classic time/space tradeoff.  my grep of xv compresses text is going to be insanely slower than your search of that pgsql database. especially if you tsearch.
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> just looked. there is actually only 1 index and its on the autoincrement id column
[14:48] <jrwren> oh, in that case, I'm faster :p
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> haha
[14:48] <jrwren> assuming I have the CPU to spare for xv decompress. and xv is SLOW. especially on this old E8500
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> still have 2.5T of unused space so i'm not too worried about disk usage
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> actually thats the home partition
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> root partition only has 13G left
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> still not worried though
[14:50] <jrwren> wow, that is a lot of free space.
[14:50] <mrgoodcat> 3.3T total
[14:50] <mrgoodcat> so wev
[14:50] <mrgoodcat> used almost 1
[14:50] <mrgoodcat> damn hands and the typing
[14:50] <jrwren> one of the reasons space became a concern for me is that I moved my homedir to SSD, so smaller ;]
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> our homedir is shared with a pretty large number of accounts
[14:51] <jrwren> oh, this is my home server
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> ls -l /home/members | wc -l
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> 237
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> so that is active members since we migrated from the old server which was.... 2 years ago?
[14:55] <cmaloney> 237 users on a university server that isn't for a class?
[14:55] <cmaloney> That's amazing.
[14:55] <cmaloney> (esp. since it's no longer the 1990s)
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> yea its a lot
[15:07] <jrwren> what is the appeal these days?  free fast hosting?
[15:07] <mrgoodcat> nerd cred
[15:07] <mrgoodcat> mostly
[15:07] <mrgoodcat> we use it to communicate using IRC
[15:08] <mrgoodcat> most people have a tmux/screen session on the server at all times
[15:08] <mrgoodcat> keeping in contact en masse
[15:08] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:09] <jrwren> its cool. I'm more curious, because I think I gave up on that sort of thing in my life.
[15:09] <jrwren> I actually do have such a shared host with a friend, but we barely use it.
[15:11] <cmaloney> Likely Usenet access. ;)
[15:13] <jrwren> lol!
[15:13] <jrwren> does wmu provide that?
[15:13] <jrwren> i thought universities stopped that a decade ago.
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> they do not provide usenet access
[15:23] <cmaloney> Then why are they on the internet?
[15:23] <cmaloney> bah
[15:23] <cmaloney> ;)
[15:24] <mrgoodcat> haha
[16:25] <jrwren> http://post.oreilly.com/form/oreilly/viewhtml/9z1zv3eqlg8lq097tjlsbv02hnton7hkhmrc14kufoo?imm_mid=0e2ff2&cmp=em-na-na-na-pr_humble_hacking_bundle
[18:16] <greg-g> people still like Slipknot?
[18:17] <greg-g> (non sequitor, based on a huge patch on the back of this otherwise punk rock looking kid at the coffee shop)
[18:19] <jrwren> lol.
[18:19] <jrwren> maybe its style-only, like all the people who wear ramones tshirts but don't actuall listen to the ramones
[18:19] <greg-g> the girl he was with was definitely punk rock stylish
[18:37] <cmaloney> greg-g: Slipknot is the Slayer for the Gen Y folks