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pavlushkaGood morning every one!04:32
artsMorning folks!05:14
Kiloshi arts 05:14
artshow are you Kilos 05:14
Kilosjust cold , otherwise good ty and you?05:15
artshaha bout the same!05:16
Kiloslol05:16
artsI finally got Ubuntu on my Gigabyte laptop :) :) :)05:16
Kilosnice05:16
Kiloswhat took so long05:16
arts16.04 LOL05:17
artsseems it's moer stable, 05:17
Kilosnice05:17
artsand the keyboard/mouse issue turned out to be a small problem, the laptop uses a I2C interface opposed to PS/2 so I fixed that this morning, only think left is to keep my eye on the wifi it seems buggy, might be a driver issue05:18
artsthe ubuntu nvidia driver works well05:19
artsalso unity sucks, the 16.04 version was so buggy, I installed the mate version and poof problems gone!05:19
mazalMornings05:20
Kilosthere are still many bugs they are sorting out05:20
Kiloshi mazal 05:20
mazalThere is a Mate unity ?05:21
mazalI thought mate uses a different DE05:21
Kilosubuntu mate05:21
artsyeah its gnome2/305:21
Kilosmate still uses gnome2 i think05:21
artsits the best of both worlds05:21
artslol05:21
artsbrb05:21
mazalI miss gnome205:22
Kilosyip05:22
Kilosthe change from that drove me to kde05:22
Kilosbut now im happy05:22
mazalAnd oom drove me to KDE hehehehe :)05:23
Kiloslol05:23
Kilosat least paddatrapper wasnt so stubborn05:24
mazalI'm not stubborn , just hard headed05:24
Kilosis there a difference05:24
mazalyep05:24
mazalAfr has a nice word for it05:25
KilosMaaz google difference between hard headed and stubborn05:25
MaazKilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.05:25
Kilosai!05:25
mazaloi05:25
mazalmaaz you babbelas ?05:25
Maazmazal: Huh?05:25
mazalMy fingers is freezing , think I need more coffee05:27
Kilosare freezing05:30
Kilosis is for one finger05:30
thatgraemeguymornings05:35
Kiloshi thatgraemeguy 05:35
artsI'm back :)06:21
Kiloswb arts 06:27
artshows your day going?06:27
Kilosim more scarce lately, i have lots of work outside06:28
Kilosso far im trying to just warm up06:28
artscool, doing?06:28
Kilos2 track suits battling to warm me06:28
Kilosderusting a channel iron frame work that is the base for a plastic wter tank06:29
Kilosmetal tank leaking bad06:29
Kilosneed to pump water twice a day06:29
Kilosso lotsa grinding to get rid of rust06:30
artssounds heavy 06:30
Kiloshorrible noisy rust dusty work06:31
artsaish06:33
inetprogood mornings06:46
artshowzit inetpro 06:50
chesedomorning all07:15
* chesedo is a bit confused as to whether it is morning or evening with inetpro's morning there07:16
inetprooh my! Did I say morning, what time is it anyway?07:17
mazalMorning chesedo , inetpro07:18
chesedohi mazal thanks for the time :P07:19
mazal;)07:19
mazalOi it's testing mazal's resolve week this week. Another new release info07:20
mazalI think I must start marking it as spam :P07:21
magespawngood morning07:58
mazalMorning mahe08:07
mazaloi08:07
mazalmagespawn*08:07
magespawnhehe08:08
inetprois it Friday yet?08:14
magespawnnot yet, but almost08:16
inetproai!08:16
inetprohow's everyone doing today?08:17
inetprohope you have all patched and rebooted your boxen again08:17
mazalOkish this side08:23
mazalboxen ?08:23
magespawnbusy running thorugh my machines now, all servers are done08:30
mazalIs there an exploit or something that a patch came out for ?08:33
nlsthznsup all :)08:35
magespawnhey nlsthzn 08:38
magespawnmazal wasn't there one recently in samba? not too sure 08:38
nlsthznalo magespawn, all well?08:38
magespawnyup warm and sunny here, and that side/08:39
magespawn?08:39
nlsthzngetting hot as hell >.<08:39
mazalLo nlsthzn08:43
magespawnahh well08:43
mazalmagespawn, I dunno , just sounded like it's important to update today , is why I asked08:44
magespawni see my local machine is updating libssl, so that might be it08:46
nlsthznhiya mazal08:46
Kiloshi there every body. im busy working on water tank so will be gone most of the day i think08:47
KilosMaaz watch them08:47
MaazOK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you08:47
nlsthzn:)08:47
* nlsthzn goes to get some more coffee08:47
chesedoMaaz: botsnack for you to stop watching u08:49
Maaz:)08:49
chesedos/u/us/08:49
magespawnthere is no bribing the bot09:11
=== MaNL is now known as MaNI
nlsthznLinux linux-l2sv 4.5.2-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 21 09:07:52 UTC 2016 (0454a6e) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux11:16
magespawnnlsthzn: ?11:21
nlsthznuname -a magespawn11:22
nlsthzn:p11:22
nlsthznit happens11:22
magespawnwhat flavour are you on nlsthzn ?11:30
nlsthznopenSUSE Tumbleweed11:31
nlsthznkeep on rolling11:32
nlsthznsweet baby batman... got everything set up and working on Tumbleweed.  Impressed!11:45
* mazal battling to get swap enabled11:57
mazalLet's reboot and see11:57
mazalSeems to be working now. That was strange. Have a swap parition but wasn't active and wasn't listed in fstab12:01
mazalBye for now , have a good afternoon all12:26
inetprohmm... 12:27
inetpromagespawn: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/12:28
inetprospecifically regarding "USN-2959-1: OpenSSL vulnerabilities", after a standard system update you need to reboot your computer to make all the necessary changes.12:30
magespawnty inetpro 12:41
nlsthznhttps://youtu.be/SYRlTISvjww some music for you guys to linux on :p12:46
theblazehennlsthzn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9bq_alk-sw also12:56
Kilosafternoon all12:56
Kilosnew tank up12:56
Kilosvery tired now and head exploding12:57
Kilosballie nap time12:57
nlsthznyip theblazehen... there are even more :p12:57
nlsthznKilos: take care12:57
Kiloswill do ty12:57
theblazehenLady java is pretty neat. Search Monzy too. Kill dash nine!12:58
* nlsthzn will check it out later, thanks theblazehen13:00
paddatrapperMan those are brilliant! Lol13:08
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=== zipper is now known as urbanslug
=== urbanslug is now known as hulk{-_-}
Kiloshi hulk{-_-} 13:36
hulk{-_-}Kilos: Hello :)13:36
Kilosoh zipper13:36
hulk{-_-}Yes same human.13:36
Kiloslol13:36
Kilosyou have been slacking13:37
Kiloswhere are all your lug peeps that were supposed to join the africa channel13:37
Kilospaddatrapper are you studying13:38
paddatrapperKilos: UCT13:45
KilosUCT?13:46
paddatrapperUniversity of Cape Town14:07
paddatrapperSorry - yes. Mis read the question14:07
hulk{-_-}Kilos: Oh they're not there?14:18
hulk{-_-}I can't really force them 0.o14:19
hulk{-_-}*I* got your back doe!14:19
Kilosbunch of slackers14:20
hulk{-_-}Priorities, different paths in life.14:23
magespawnchat later home time15:33
Kilosinetpro paddatrapper chesedo join #ubuntu-uos-overflow n15:55
Kilosin 5 mins15:56
Kiloschesedo inetpro #ubuntu-uos-overflow meeting starting16:02
chesedosorry Kilos can't, bit busy16:20
Kilosok16:20
* chesedo may ask the greeter bot for a summary tomorrow16:21
Kiloslol16:21
Kilosyessir16:21
mazalLooks like I will have to re-install :(16:45
Kilosai!16:48
mazalEverything messed up16:51
mazalLooks like one can't use more than 1 DE anymore16:51
mazalAdded ubuntu-desktop , complete disaster16:51
mazalNow what to install on the re-install is the question16:52
Kiloskde doesnt like it16:53
mazalEither 14.04 K or 16.04 Ubu16:54
mazal16.04 K's bugs is getting to me16:54
mazalIs why I wanted to add another DE16:54
Kilosi once tried adding unity to kde16:55
mazalDon't know how 16.04 unity is though , might also be bug ridden16:55
Kiloscouldnt find unity at all16:55
Kiloswas a waste of data and space16:55
Kilosthey say it has more bugs16:55
mazaloi16:55
mazalI wonder if one can install normal KDE on 16.04 and not use this plasma16:56
Kilosai!16:57
mazalDon't really want to go backwards and install 14.0416:57
Kilosgo back to 14.04 man16:57
mazalThat's going backwards with everything :(16:57
Kilosin 6 months upgrade to 16.0416:57
Kilosmuch easier than battling16:58
mazalOh well , no use sitting let me get started and re-install16:58
mazalSien later oom16:59
Kiloswhat did you break16:59
Kilostry fix it first man16:59
Kilosai!16:59
Kilosi go eat16:59
nlsthznKDE is in to much flux... that is why I am running openSUSE Tumbleweed, the latest and greatest that KDE has to offer.  So far so good \o/17:14
Kiloswhat you mean in too mux flux nlsthzn ?17:22
nlsthznKilos: they have a new release philosophy of releasing small itterations more often.  So it is always changing, becoming better.  So if a release is on a fixed timeframe they will start loosing out.17:24
nlsthznand I am also not sure if Kubuntu can keep up with backports like the past17:24
Kilosah17:24
nlsthznnow that Ridell is not there anymore :/17:25
Kilosyesh he did lots17:25
Kilosi thought he was still helping though17:25
nlsthznsince he got busy with neon I don't see his name pop up in launchpad in relationship to kubuntu stuff happening17:26
nlsthznI might be wromg17:26
nlsthzn*wrong17:26
Kilosthey are all so busy with these new hangout things  and the uos stuff i dunno how they keep up17:27
nlsthzn:)17:29
magespawngood evening17:32
mazalBack where I was Saturday17:34
Kilossystemback saves lots of issues hey mazal 17:34
Kiloshi magespawn 17:34
mazalKilos, yeah , fortunately I have the habbit of making a new one every Sat17:35
mazalJust waiting on data restore now17:35
Kiloslol17:35
mazalMight have to redo my steam stuff though17:36
mazalWill be interesting to see if that is ok or not17:36
grembleWhat happened mazal 17:38
mazalgremble, I added ubuntu-desktop17:38
mazalBig mistake17:38
grembleAh17:38
mazalCan't have multiple DE's anymore it seems17:38
mazalFreedom taken away by bling17:38
grembleYou probably need a better DM to manage which DE you start up with?17:39
mazalIt even messed up plasma17:39
gremble:?17:39
grembleThat is unfortunate17:40
grembleMight be worth complaining about17:40
mazalCould og back into plasma , but it looked like someone barfed on it17:40
mazalOk data back17:40
mazalRe-install done in what was that , 30 min ? Thank you systemback17:40
grembleThat's not bad17:41
magespawnlooks like systemback is the business17:41
mazalgremble, and that's with all apps also already included plus all configs and updates up till Sat when I made a fresh one17:41
nlsthznstrange that it broke...17:42
magespawnmazal have you just used it on a desktop setup so far?17:42
mazalWow ok now I'm impressed , even steam works sharp and that one is very finiky17:42
mazalmagespawn, yep17:42
Kilossystemback is awesome17:42
mazalEve my steam curom configs is there ( path to games folders etc. ) That not even remastersys could do17:43
mazaleven* and custom*17:43
Kilosi have 14.04 on a stick that can boot from any pc and still be the same as using this laptop17:43
Kiloseverything is there17:43
mazalI basically just need to do an update to get the updates from Saturday till today17:44
magespawni would be interested to see how well it works on a server setup17:44
mazalMe too17:44
mazalWe needs someone brave enough17:44
mazalAnd that ain't me btw :P17:45
magespawni'll try it on my home one first, that is basically for messing around anyway17:45
mazalI must really find space for my "play" pc that I can test and muck around with17:45
mazalI have one , but no space. The xbox took it's space ( soory oom Kilos )17:46
mazalHehe now this was funny , open my email and all unread mail from Saturday lying there , next moment dissapeared as it synced lol17:47
mazalLemme do the update before I forget that17:48
Kiloslol17:48
magespawni wonder is there is version for yum based distros?17:48
* nlsthzn uses zypper >.>17:48
magespawnnlsthzn: same sort of thing?17:48
nlsthznbasically17:49
nlsthznfor openSUSE :p17:49
nlsthznwhat you meant to say is you wonder if there are rpm's of it :p17:49
magespawnwikipedia says it is a package manager17:50
KilosMaaz tell chesedo https://bin.snyman.info/mmmjsnxx17:50
MaazKilos: Righto, I'll tell chesedo on freenode17:50
magespawnyup that is waht i was hoping for17:50
magespawnwhat too17:50
nlsthznwut 2?17:50
magespawnwhat no waht17:50
Kiloshaha17:51
magespawnor s/what/waht17:51
Kiloswakker skrik neelsie17:51
nlsthznexactly17:51
magespawngetting a decent 487kbs download17:53
Kilosyay17:53
chesedooh that was a membership board session... why would i be interested in that Kilos?17:53
Maazchesedo: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell chesedo https://bin.snyman.info/mmmjsnxx" 3 minutes ago17:53
Kilosbecause soon you will be applying for membership17:53
chesedooh, i did not know...17:54
Kilosits supposed to be board sessions where peeps wanting to apply for membership can get info17:54
Kilosnot for board members as such17:54
* mazal checks crontab17:55
Kilosmany people dont have locos to join so are lost17:55
mazalyep both there17:55
Kilossystemback is really good mazal 17:56
mazalWhat I find interesting is that root's crontab is restored as well. I understand mine17:56
mazalk gotta reboot17:56
mazalAnd I'm back where I was before I broke everything18:00
Kiloslol18:00
Kiloslekker hey18:00
mazalOk so I learned 4 things18:00
Kilosnow dont mess around again18:00
mazal1. Don't add 2nd DE18:00
mazal2. I can trust systemback18:00
mazal3. I found the bug why swap wasn't active18:01
mazal4. Find new place for xbox and put "testing" pc in18:01
Kiloslol18:01
Kilosas long as you keep learning then all is good18:01
mazalThe swap thing , I dunno who saw that earlier today18:01
magespawni saw part of it, did not see all18:02
mazalOn that install , the swap was there and I assumed the installer would see it and use it. IE during install I didn't actually select it and gave it swap mount point18:02
Kiloswhen i told you the swapon command months ago you said you dont need swap you have 16g ram18:02
mazalNow , even though it was there , I selected it and gave it mount point swap18:03
mazalSwap works , so now I learned what I did wrong on that install18:03
Kilosgood18:03
mazalInstaller don't see it automatically , you must still select it even though it's already there18:04
mazalfrom a previous install18:04
mazalOom Kilos , I dunno what I'm gonna do about point 4 hey18:04
Kilosthe command sudo swapon and the partition should start it18:04
Kilospoint  4 is a prob18:05
mazalBut it doesn't add it to fstab. Reboot and it's off again18:05
Kilosyou need to outgrow games and find something serious to do18:05
mazalI had to manually add that one to fstab for it to work on reboot18:05
Kiloswell good you know how18:05
Kilosim sure mine is working18:06
mazalBy tomorrow I will have forgotten how lol18:06
Kilosmake notes man18:06
Kilosand remember where you hide them18:06
mazalBut what I will remember is just because there is a swap partition doesn't mean the installer will use it18:07
mazalThis will show you if yours is active oom: cat /proc/swaps18:08
mazalShould show the partition and size18:08
Kilos  /dev/sda5                               partition       3983356 517996  -118:09
mazalor htop will also show swap 100k/4gig or something like that. If it shows 0/0 then it's not active18:09
mazalMine is not used18:09
mazal0/5gig18:09
mazalEnough ram18:10
mazalI frequently check and never see any swap used18:10
mazalEnough work , I go play18:11
mazalGonna go fiddle with BL 2's settings and see if I can get it to run smooth18:12
Kilosmine is using 502 of 388818:14
nlsthznmy ram seems to like > 1gb after cold start :/ good think there is plenty more 18:20
nlsthzngtg cheers all18:29
magespawnmazal there is an includes and an excludes file for systemback where you can do the needed inclusion or exclusion of specific directories etc18:42
magespawnKilos: how do you start systemback?18:45
magespawnno worries got it now18:46
magespawnhave to run systemback-cli with root privilages on a server18:47
magespawnbusy creating a restore point now, cli ui is very simple18:48
magespawnon 10% and running18:49
Kilossudo systemback18:50
Kilossorry was helping sis18:51
Kilosim sure it will reinstall a server exactly as it was as well18:52
Kilosit has other options like debug and upgrade in as well18:52
magespawnthere is no gui on my server, so i had to use the cli option18:55
magespawnno problem 18:55
magespawn95%, so it is pretty quick18:55
Kilosyu doing it with ssh?18:55
Kilosvery fast18:55
Kiloscool app18:55
Kilostakes a while to put the iso on the stick though18:57
magespawnyup so now i have a display that lists the one restore point and the options to run or quit18:58
Kilosbut does the whole bootable thing one needed unetbootin for before18:58
Kiloswe need to find a good how to for it18:59
Kilosi just took chances and used the live option18:59
magespawnno idea, this looks like it has just created a system retore point and saved that somewhere on the hard drive, there was not option to save it elsewhere18:59
Kilosit saves it in the sytemback goodie19:00
magespawnmaybe i need to have some external media plugged in first19:00
magespawnsystemback goodie?19:00
Kilosyou just tick the left block and it shows19:00
magespawnthere is not left block to tick19:00
magespawns/not/no19:01
Kilosi saw like a gui thing19:01
Kiloshmm...19:01
Kilosmust be somewhere in home19:01
magespawni have no gui on the server19:01
Kilosif you ssh to server dont you see the gui thing on your pc19:01
Kilosyou have a gui on pc19:02
magespawnno 19:03
Kilosoh my19:03
Kilosits in home somewhere19:04
magespawnypu can tunnel x through ssh but then i might as well hook up a monitor to the server anyway19:04
magespawnyes all the .conf files and includes/excludes have been created in /etc/systemback19:05
magespawni assume you control the cli version from those files19:05
Kilosmazal 19:05
Kilospraat man19:05
Kilosive only tried it once'19:05
Kilossigh he is gaming again19:06
Kilossomething wrong with all the ibids19:06
Kilosall cant gogle stuff today19:06
magespawnmight just be thier link to google that is not working properly19:07
Kiloshttps://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwje94fl0MPMAhUHJcAKHbdEADQQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fanswers.launchpad.net%2Fsystemback%2F%2Bquestion%2F257220&usg=AFQjCNHvOtQMWcwpsuBGmFYPESSSdalAKg&sig2=ARgbnZbniuw-suJFEaOyHg19:07
Kilossjoe19:07
Kilossorry for long link19:07
magespawnokay then19:07
magespawnno worries19:07
Kiloshere many19:08
Kiloshttps://www.google.co.za/search?client=opera&q=systemback+command+line&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-819:08
magespawnty19:08
Kilosi cant find one related to servers19:10
magespawnhere is a copy of the .conf file https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwtcsx19:14
magespawnyou can set most of the settings needed here19:14
magespawnthe systemback folder and the files were only created after i had started the program for the first time19:15
magespawnso in /home/systemback is the one back up file S01_2016-05-05,20.47.2819:18
magespawnno idea how to retore though19:20
Kilossigh the gui was just a click in the left block and it showed19:20
Kilosgui so useful at times19:21
magespawnah well that is easy, simple choose the number of the back up you want to use and then the menu options changes to 1.Delete 2.System Restore B.Back19:22
Kiloscool19:22
Kiloswonderful tool, just needs getting used to19:23
magespawnhttps://bin.snyman.info/mmmvqcyf this is what you see if you choose system restore19:24
Kilosah similar to the gui thing anyway19:25
inetproGOOD MORNINGS!19:25
inetprooops19:25
Kiloswrite a how to for future refs19:25
Kiloshi inetpro 19:26
magespawnyes just not all there right in front of you19:26
magespawnhi inetpro19:26
magespawnif i am feeling escpcially dedicated i might add it to the man file19:26
magespawnespcially19:26
inetproany interesting news from uos?19:27
Kilosthey going on all the time19:27
Kilosi cant keep up19:27
magespawnuos?19:28
Kilostrying to get membership board together for meeting as well19:28
Kilos#ubuntu-uos-community19:28
Kilosthey nhave hangouts 19:28
Kilosand video stuff19:28
magespawnahh right19:28
Kilosthen they do irc and video and etherpads all at once19:29
Kilosi need to retire19:29
Kilostechnology going too fast for me19:30
Kiloswanna be an irc greeter bot only again19:30
Kilosand looks like you have to join etherpad before you can edit wiki pages19:31
Kilossigh19:31
Kiloshi superfly all well?19:31
superflyKilos: got my car back today19:32
Kiloswhat they say it was superfly 19:32
superflyKilos: fuel pump19:32
Kilosand how much did they charge\19:33
Kilosoh my19:33
Kilosian just replaced one as well19:33
magespawnthat is good news, getting it back i mean19:33
Kilosyeah life without wheels is tough19:33
* inetpro also got car back today19:33
Kilosoh my19:33
magespawnyour jetta, superfly?19:33
Kiloswhat was wrong with yours inetpro 19:34
superflymagespawn: yes19:34
inetprowent in for alternator issues three times in a row19:34
Kiloseish19:34
superflyKilos: fuel pump was 1500, total was 212019:34
inetprohopefully this time it's all fixed19:34
Kiloswhew19:34
magespawnsuperfly what model is that one?19:34
superflymagespawn: 3 CLi (fuel injected)19:35
superfly'93 model19:35
Kilosoh superfly the big pump right by the tank19:35
mazalGotta go crash , early morning tomorrow19:35
Kilosnight mazal 19:35
magespawnahh the fuel injection always complictes things a bit19:35
magespawngood night mazal19:35
Kilossuperfly get used to its sound when you turn on key19:36
inetprosuperfly: am glad to see that you have wheels again19:36
mazalmagespawn, I didn't use system restore point , I used create live system. That is for booting from dvd or usb and re-installing. I never used the system restore option19:36
inetprotough to run a family without wheels19:36
Kilosif you hear it sound different replace the filter by the pump19:36
superflyKilos: yes, that big pump. I know it's sound, I just wasn't listening right19:36
magespawnmazal on the cli you have specifically set that in the .conf file19:36
mazalmagespawn, and it was in gui , dunno cli commands for that19:36
magespawnall hanled from the .conf file19:37
mazalMade live system , converted to iso and from there burned to dvd19:37
mazalk19:37
Kilosthat filter is the most important filter on your car superfly 19:37
Kiloschange it regularly19:37
mazalSleep well everyone19:38
mazalnight19:38
Kilosnag seun19:38
inetprogood night mazal19:38
magespawn#ubuntu-za-car-services19:38
Kiloslol19:38
Kilosai that pump is expensive magespawn 19:38
Kilosi got caught onc19:39
Kilose19:39
Kiloswas a months pay back then19:39
inetpromagespawn: all the stuff that we still need IT solutions for 19:39
inetprowith full redundancy and all that19:39
magespawni still think it is better to leave somethings as they are, means ordinary people can work on them without too uch training19:40
inetproyou have a flat wheel, another one should automagically pop out and keep your dar running19:40
inetprocar*19:41
magespawns/uch/much19:41
magespawnrun flats19:41
magespawnno need to pop anything19:41
Kiloslol19:42
Kilosjettas are well balanced19:42
inetproyou say we are not ordinary people with skills to run our IT systems?19:42
magespawnnot if you look at how other people view computers and what we do19:43
inetprowe build and fix anything here at #ubuntu-za19:43
Kilosyou can burst a back wheel and ride it quite comfortably till you home19:43
Kilosthen need new rim as well19:43
Kilosinetpro if you need to go back 3 times for same alternator prob find a better auto electricina'electrician19:45
Kilosai!19:45
Kilosim half asleep and still a meeting in 15mins19:46
inetproKilos: actually I'm very happy with the guys who do my services19:46
magespawnmight just be better to replace the alternator19:46
Kilos3 times for one prob and youre happy19:47
inetprojust take my car to them and they sort out between them and other experts if necessary19:47
inetproI didn't have to pay anything19:47
magespawnah well that is about as good as it gets19:47
Kilosyeah id buy a new alternator nad fit it myselfoh thats good'19:47
Kilosthats why you happy19:47
Kilossjoe19:48
inetproI'll recommend the guys at Vision Motors to anyone really19:48
Kiloseven forgetting enter19:48
inetproin Voortrekker road19:48
Kilosmost places charge you everytime19:49
inetproonly problem is the battle without a car each time there is a service or maintenance19:49
magespawnno courtesy car?19:50
inetpromagespawn: I wish19:50
inetproguess that would add to the price in the end19:50
Kilosyes but still better than walking19:54
magespawnwalking is healthy19:55
inetproI guess I'm kinda fortunate with the scooter saving on daily running costs that I was able to keep my old car for these tough days when the other one is in for a service19:56
Kilosyeah19:56
inetprobut very very tough to keep both in good running condition at all times19:57
Kilosyip19:57
inetprocars are way too expensive to maintain19:57
Kilosand licences arent cheap anymore19:57
inetproexactly19:57
Kilosi go meeting19:57
Kilosbe good19:57
magespawni do okay with my two, but i do most of the work myself19:57
inetpromagespawn: nice if you have all the tools and are able to do it all for yourself19:58
magespawna bit of hacking in the physical world19:59
magespawnthat is me off to bed, good night all20:24
Kilosnigt magespawn 20:24
Kilossleep tight20:24
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:31
paddatrapperNight Kilos20:32
Kilosstudy paddatrapper 20:32
Kilosand sleep enough as well20:32
paddatrapperHaha. I wrote the test today. Eish.... Think I passed though20:33
Kiloswhew holding thumbs for you20:33
Kilosnight20:33
paddatrapperThanks. Cheers20:33
melodiehello!21:13
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