[04:32] <pavlushka> Good morning every one!
[05:14] <arts> Morning folks!
[05:14] <Kilos> hi arts 
[05:14] <arts> how are you Kilos 
[05:15] <Kilos> just cold , otherwise good ty and you?
[05:16] <arts> haha bout the same!
[05:16] <Kilos> lol
[05:16] <arts> I finally got Ubuntu on my Gigabyte laptop :) :) :)
[05:16] <Kilos> nice
[05:16] <Kilos> what took so long
[05:17] <arts> 16.04 LOL
[05:17] <arts> seems it's moer stable, 
[05:17] <Kilos> nice
[05:18] <arts> and the keyboard/mouse issue turned out to be a small problem, the laptop uses a I2C interface opposed to PS/2 so I fixed that this morning, only think left is to keep my eye on the wifi it seems buggy, might be a driver issue
[05:19] <arts> the ubuntu nvidia driver works well
[05:19] <arts> also unity sucks, the 16.04 version was so buggy, I installed the mate version and poof problems gone!
[05:20] <mazal> Mornings
[05:20] <Kilos> there are still many bugs they are sorting out
[05:20] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:21] <mazal> There is a Mate unity ?
[05:21] <mazal> I thought mate uses a different DE
[05:21] <Kilos> ubuntu mate
[05:21] <arts> yeah its gnome2/3
[05:21] <Kilos> mate still uses gnome2 i think
[05:21] <arts> its the best of both worlds
[05:21] <arts> lol
[05:21] <arts> brb
[05:22] <mazal> I miss gnome2
[05:22] <Kilos> yip
[05:22] <Kilos> the change from that drove me to kde
[05:22] <Kilos> but now im happy
[05:23] <mazal> And oom drove me to KDE hehehehe :)
[05:23] <Kilos> lol
[05:24] <Kilos> at least paddatrapper wasnt so stubborn
[05:24] <mazal> I'm not stubborn , just hard headed
[05:24] <Kilos> is there a difference
[05:24] <mazal> yep
[05:25] <mazal> Afr has a nice word for it
[05:25] <Kilos> Maaz google difference between hard headed and stubborn
[05:25] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[05:25] <Kilos> ai!
[05:25] <mazal> oi
[05:25] <mazal> maaz you babbelas ?
[05:25] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[05:27] <mazal> My fingers is freezing , think I need more coffee
[05:30] <Kilos> are freezing
[05:30] <Kilos> is is for one finger
[05:35] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[05:35] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:21] <arts> I'm back :)
[06:27] <Kilos> wb arts 
[06:27] <arts> hows your day going?
[06:28] <Kilos> im more scarce lately, i have lots of work outside
[06:28] <Kilos> so far im trying to just warm up
[06:28] <arts> cool, doing?
[06:28] <Kilos> 2 track suits battling to warm me
[06:29] <Kilos> derusting a channel iron frame work that is the base for a plastic wter tank
[06:29] <Kilos> metal tank leaking bad
[06:29] <Kilos> need to pump water twice a day
[06:30] <Kilos> so lotsa grinding to get rid of rust
[06:30] <arts> sounds heavy 
[06:31] <Kilos> horrible noisy rust dusty work
[06:33] <arts> aish
[06:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:50] <arts> howzit inetpro 
[07:15] <chesedo> morning all
[07:16]  * chesedo is a bit confused as to whether it is morning or evening with inetpro's morning there
[07:17] <inetpro> oh my! Did I say morning, what time is it anyway?
[07:18] <mazal> Morning chesedo , inetpro
[07:19] <chesedo> hi mazal thanks for the time :P
[07:19] <mazal> ;)
[07:20] <mazal> Oi it's testing mazal's resolve week this week. Another new release info
[07:21] <mazal> I think I must start marking it as spam :P
[07:58] <magespawn> good morning
[08:07] <mazal> Morning mahe
[08:07] <mazal> oi
[08:07] <mazal> magespawn*
[08:08] <magespawn> hehe
[08:14] <inetpro> is it Friday yet?
[08:16] <magespawn> not yet, but almost
[08:16] <inetpro> ai!
[08:17] <inetpro> how's everyone doing today?
[08:17] <inetpro> hope you have all patched and rebooted your boxen again
[08:23] <mazal> Okish this side
[08:23] <mazal> boxen ?
[08:30] <magespawn> busy running thorugh my machines now, all servers are done
[08:33] <mazal> Is there an exploit or something that a patch came out for ?
[08:35] <nlsthzn> sup all :)
[08:38] <magespawn> hey nlsthzn 
[08:38] <magespawn> mazal wasn't there one recently in samba? not too sure 
[08:38] <nlsthzn> alo magespawn, all well?
[08:39] <magespawn> yup warm and sunny here, and that side/
[08:39] <magespawn> ?
[08:39] <nlsthzn> getting hot as hell >.<
[08:43] <mazal> Lo nlsthzn
[08:43] <magespawn> ahh well
[08:44] <mazal> magespawn, I dunno , just sounded like it's important to update today , is why I asked
[08:46] <magespawn> i see my local machine is updating libssl, so that might be it
[08:46] <nlsthzn> hiya mazal
[08:47] <Kilos> hi there every body. im busy working on water tank so will be gone most of the day i think
[08:47] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[08:47] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[08:47] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:47]  * nlsthzn goes to get some more coffee
[08:49] <chesedo> Maaz: botsnack for you to stop watching u
[08:49] <Maaz> :)
[08:49] <chesedo> s/u/us/
[09:11] <magespawn> there is no bribing the bot
[11:16] <nlsthzn> Linux linux-l2sv 4.5.2-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 21 09:07:52 UTC 2016 (0454a6e) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:21] <magespawn> nlsthzn: ?
[11:22] <nlsthzn> uname -a magespawn
[11:22] <nlsthzn> :p
[11:22] <nlsthzn> it happens
[11:30] <magespawn> what flavour are you on nlsthzn ?
[11:31] <nlsthzn> openSUSE Tumbleweed
[11:32] <nlsthzn> keep on rolling
[11:45] <nlsthzn> sweet baby batman... got everything set up and working on Tumbleweed.  Impressed!
[11:57]  * mazal battling to get swap enabled
[11:57] <mazal> Let's reboot and see
[12:01] <mazal> Seems to be working now. That was strange. Have a swap parition but wasn't active and wasn't listed in fstab
[12:26] <mazal> Bye for now , have a good afternoon all
[12:27] <inetpro> hmm... 
[12:28] <inetpro> magespawn: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[12:30] <inetpro> specifically regarding "USN-2959-1: OpenSSL vulnerabilities", after a standard system update you need to reboot your computer to make all the necessary changes.
[12:41] <magespawn> ty inetpro 
[12:46] <nlsthzn> https://youtu.be/SYRlTISvjww some music for you guys to linux on :p
[12:56] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9bq_alk-sw also
[12:56] <Kilos> afternoon all
[12:56] <Kilos> new tank up
[12:57] <Kilos> very tired now and head exploding
[12:57] <Kilos> ballie nap time
[12:57] <nlsthzn> yip theblazehen... there are even more :p
[12:57] <nlsthzn> Kilos: take care
[12:57] <Kilos> will do ty
[12:58] <theblazehen> Lady java is pretty neat. Search Monzy too. Kill dash nine!
[13:00]  * nlsthzn will check it out later, thanks theblazehen
[13:08] <paddatrapper> Man those are brilliant! Lol
[13:36] <Kilos> hi hulk{-_-} 
[13:36] <hulk{-_-}> Kilos: Hello :)
[13:36] <Kilos> oh zipper
[13:36] <hulk{-_-}> Yes same human.
[13:36] <Kilos> lol
[13:37] <Kilos> you have been slacking
[13:37] <Kilos> where are all your lug peeps that were supposed to join the africa channel
[13:38] <Kilos> paddatrapper are you studying
[13:45] <paddatrapper> Kilos: UCT
[13:46] <Kilos> UCT?
[14:07] <paddatrapper> University of Cape Town
[14:07] <paddatrapper> Sorry - yes. Mis read the question
[14:18] <hulk{-_-}> Kilos: Oh they're not there?
[14:19] <hulk{-_-}> I can't really force them 0.o
[14:19] <hulk{-_-}> *I* got your back doe!
[14:20] <Kilos> bunch of slackers
[14:23] <hulk{-_-}> Priorities, different paths in life.
[15:33] <magespawn> chat later home time
[15:55] <Kilos> inetpro paddatrapper chesedo join #ubuntu-uos-overflow n
[15:56] <Kilos> in 5 mins
[16:02] <Kilos> chesedo inetpro #ubuntu-uos-overflow meeting starting
[16:20] <chesedo> sorry Kilos can't, bit busy
[16:20] <Kilos> ok
[16:21]  * chesedo may ask the greeter bot for a summary tomorrow
[16:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:21] <Kilos> yessir
[16:45] <mazal> Looks like I will have to re-install :(
[16:48] <Kilos> ai!
[16:51] <mazal> Everything messed up
[16:51] <mazal> Looks like one can't use more than 1 DE anymore
[16:51] <mazal> Added ubuntu-desktop , complete disaster
[16:52] <mazal> Now what to install on the re-install is the question
[16:53] <Kilos> kde doesnt like it
[16:54] <mazal> Either 14.04 K or 16.04 Ubu
[16:54] <mazal> 16.04 K's bugs is getting to me
[16:54] <mazal> Is why I wanted to add another DE
[16:55] <Kilos> i once tried adding unity to kde
[16:55] <mazal> Don't know how 16.04 unity is though , might also be bug ridden
[16:55] <Kilos> couldnt find unity at all
[16:55] <Kilos> was a waste of data and space
[16:55] <Kilos> they say it has more bugs
[16:55] <mazal> oi
[16:56] <mazal> I wonder if one can install normal KDE on 16.04 and not use this plasma
[16:57] <Kilos> ai!
[16:57] <mazal> Don't really want to go backwards and install 14.04
[16:57] <Kilos> go back to 14.04 man
[16:57] <mazal> That's going backwards with everything :(
[16:57] <Kilos> in 6 months upgrade to 16.04
[16:58] <Kilos> much easier than battling
[16:58] <mazal> Oh well , no use sitting let me get started and re-install
[16:59] <mazal> Sien later oom
[16:59] <Kilos> what did you break
[16:59] <Kilos> try fix it first man
[16:59] <Kilos> ai!
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:14] <nlsthzn> KDE is in to much flux... that is why I am running openSUSE Tumbleweed, the latest and greatest that KDE has to offer.  So far so good \o/
[17:22] <Kilos> what you mean in too mux flux nlsthzn ?
[17:24] <nlsthzn> Kilos: they have a new release philosophy of releasing small itterations more often.  So it is always changing, becoming better.  So if a release is on a fixed timeframe they will start loosing out.
[17:24] <nlsthzn> and I am also not sure if Kubuntu can keep up with backports like the past
[17:24] <Kilos> ah
[17:25] <nlsthzn> now that Ridell is not there anymore :/
[17:25] <Kilos> yesh he did lots
[17:25] <Kilos> i thought he was still helping though
[17:26] <nlsthzn> since he got busy with neon I don't see his name pop up in launchpad in relationship to kubuntu stuff happening
[17:26] <nlsthzn> I might be wromg
[17:26] <nlsthzn> *wrong
[17:27] <Kilos> they are all so busy with these new hangout things  and the uos stuff i dunno how they keep up
[17:29] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:32] <magespawn> good evening
[17:34] <mazal> Back where I was Saturday
[17:34] <Kilos> systemback saves lots of issues hey mazal 
[17:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:35] <mazal> Kilos, yeah , fortunately I have the habbit of making a new one every Sat
[17:35] <mazal> Just waiting on data restore now
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <mazal> Might have to redo my steam stuff though
[17:36] <mazal> Will be interesting to see if that is ok or not
[17:38] <gremble> What happened mazal 
[17:38] <mazal> gremble, I added ubuntu-desktop
[17:38] <mazal> Big mistake
[17:38] <gremble> Ah
[17:38] <mazal> Can't have multiple DE's anymore it seems
[17:38] <mazal> Freedom taken away by bling
[17:39] <gremble> You probably need a better DM to manage which DE you start up with?
[17:39] <mazal> It even messed up plasma
[17:39] <gremble> :?
[17:40] <gremble> That is unfortunate
[17:40] <gremble> Might be worth complaining about
[17:40] <mazal> Could og back into plasma , but it looked like someone barfed on it
[17:40] <mazal> Ok data back
[17:40] <mazal> Re-install done in what was that , 30 min ? Thank you systemback
[17:41] <gremble> That's not bad
[17:41] <magespawn> looks like systemback is the business
[17:41] <mazal> gremble, and that's with all apps also already included plus all configs and updates up till Sat when I made a fresh one
[17:42] <nlsthzn> strange that it broke...
[17:42] <magespawn> mazal have you just used it on a desktop setup so far?
[17:42] <mazal> Wow ok now I'm impressed , even steam works sharp and that one is very finiky
[17:42] <mazal> magespawn, yep
[17:42] <Kilos> systemback is awesome
[17:43] <mazal> Eve my steam curom configs is there ( path to games folders etc. ) That not even remastersys could do
[17:43] <mazal> even* and custom*
[17:43] <Kilos> i have 14.04 on a stick that can boot from any pc and still be the same as using this laptop
[17:43] <Kilos> everything is there
[17:44] <mazal> I basically just need to do an update to get the updates from Saturday till today
[17:44] <magespawn> i would be interested to see how well it works on a server setup
[17:44] <mazal> Me too
[17:44] <mazal> We needs someone brave enough
[17:45] <mazal> And that ain't me btw :P
[17:45] <magespawn> i'll try it on my home one first, that is basically for messing around anyway
[17:45] <mazal> I must really find space for my "play" pc that I can test and muck around with
[17:46] <mazal> I have one , but no space. The xbox took it's space ( soory oom Kilos )
[17:47] <mazal> Hehe now this was funny , open my email and all unread mail from Saturday lying there , next moment dissapeared as it synced lol
[17:48] <mazal> Lemme do the update before I forget that
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <magespawn> i wonder is there is version for yum based distros?
[17:48]  * nlsthzn uses zypper >.>
[17:48] <magespawn> nlsthzn: same sort of thing?
[17:49] <nlsthzn> basically
[17:49] <nlsthzn> for openSUSE :p
[17:49] <nlsthzn> what you meant to say is you wonder if there are rpm's of it :p
[17:50] <magespawn> wikipedia says it is a package manager
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz tell chesedo https://bin.snyman.info/mmmjsnxx
[17:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell chesedo on freenode
[17:50] <magespawn> yup that is waht i was hoping for
[17:50] <magespawn> what too
[17:50] <nlsthzn> wut 2?
[17:50] <magespawn> what no waht
[17:51] <Kilos> haha
[17:51] <magespawn> or s/what/waht
[17:51] <Kilos> wakker skrik neelsie
[17:51] <nlsthzn> exactly
[17:53] <magespawn> getting a decent 487kbs download
[17:53] <Kilos> yay
[17:53] <chesedo> oh that was a membership board session... why would i be interested in that Kilos?
[17:53] <Maaz> chesedo: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell chesedo https://bin.snyman.info/mmmjsnxx" 3 minutes ago
[17:53] <Kilos> because soon you will be applying for membership
[17:54] <chesedo> oh, i did not know...
[17:54] <Kilos> its supposed to be board sessions where peeps wanting to apply for membership can get info
[17:54] <Kilos> not for board members as such
[17:55]  * mazal checks crontab
[17:55] <Kilos> many people dont have locos to join so are lost
[17:55] <mazal> yep both there
[17:56] <Kilos> systemback is really good mazal 
[17:56] <mazal> What I find interesting is that root's crontab is restored as well. I understand mine
[17:56] <mazal> k gotta reboot
[18:00] <mazal> And I'm back where I was before I broke everything
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:00] <Kilos> lekker hey
[18:00] <mazal> Ok so I learned 4 things
[18:00] <Kilos> now dont mess around again
[18:00] <mazal> 1. Don't add 2nd DE
[18:00] <mazal> 2. I can trust systemback
[18:01] <mazal> 3. I found the bug why swap wasn't active
[18:01] <mazal> 4. Find new place for xbox and put "testing" pc in
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Kilos> as long as you keep learning then all is good
[18:01] <mazal> The swap thing , I dunno who saw that earlier today
[18:02] <magespawn> i saw part of it, did not see all
[18:02] <mazal> On that install , the swap was there and I assumed the installer would see it and use it. IE during install I didn't actually select it and gave it swap mount point
[18:02] <Kilos> when i told you the swapon command months ago you said you dont need swap you have 16g ram
[18:03] <mazal> Now , even though it was there , I selected it and gave it mount point swap
[18:03] <mazal> Swap works , so now I learned what I did wrong on that install
[18:03] <Kilos> good
[18:04] <mazal> Installer don't see it automatically , you must still select it even though it's already there
[18:04] <mazal> from a previous install
[18:04] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I dunno what I'm gonna do about point 4 hey
[18:04] <Kilos> the command sudo swapon and the partition should start it
[18:05] <Kilos> point  4 is a prob
[18:05] <mazal> But it doesn't add it to fstab. Reboot and it's off again
[18:05] <Kilos> you need to outgrow games and find something serious to do
[18:05] <mazal> I had to manually add that one to fstab for it to work on reboot
[18:05] <Kilos> well good you know how
[18:06] <Kilos> im sure mine is working
[18:06] <mazal> By tomorrow I will have forgotten how lol
[18:06] <Kilos> make notes man
[18:06] <Kilos> and remember where you hide them
[18:07] <mazal> But what I will remember is just because there is a swap partition doesn't mean the installer will use it
[18:08] <mazal> This will show you if yours is active oom: cat /proc/swaps
[18:08] <mazal> Should show the partition and size
[18:09] <Kilos>   /dev/sda5                               partition       3983356 517996  -1
[18:09] <mazal> or htop will also show swap 100k/4gig or something like that. If it shows 0/0 then it's not active
[18:09] <mazal> Mine is not used
[18:09] <mazal> 0/5gig
[18:10] <mazal> Enough ram
[18:10] <mazal> I frequently check and never see any swap used
[18:11] <mazal> Enough work , I go play
[18:12] <mazal> Gonna go fiddle with BL 2's settings and see if I can get it to run smooth
[18:14] <Kilos> mine is using 502 of 3888
[18:20] <nlsthzn> my ram seems to like > 1gb after cold start :/ good think there is plenty more 
[18:29] <nlsthzn> gtg cheers all
[18:42] <magespawn> mazal there is an includes and an excludes file for systemback where you can do the needed inclusion or exclusion of specific directories etc
[18:45] <magespawn> Kilos: how do you start systemback?
[18:46] <magespawn> no worries got it now
[18:47] <magespawn> have to run systemback-cli with root privilages on a server
[18:48] <magespawn> busy creating a restore point now, cli ui is very simple
[18:49] <magespawn> on 10% and running
[18:50] <Kilos> sudo systemback
[18:51] <Kilos> sorry was helping sis
[18:52] <Kilos> im sure it will reinstall a server exactly as it was as well
[18:52] <Kilos> it has other options like debug and upgrade in as well
[18:55] <magespawn> there is no gui on my server, so i had to use the cli option
[18:55] <magespawn> no problem 
[18:55] <magespawn> 95%, so it is pretty quick
[18:55] <Kilos> yu doing it with ssh?
[18:55] <Kilos> very fast
[18:55] <Kilos> cool app
[18:57] <Kilos> takes a while to put the iso on the stick though
[18:58] <magespawn> yup so now i have a display that lists the one restore point and the options to run or quit
[18:58] <Kilos> but does the whole bootable thing one needed unetbootin for before
[18:59] <Kilos> we need to find a good how to for it
[18:59] <Kilos> i just took chances and used the live option
[18:59] <magespawn> no idea, this looks like it has just created a system retore point and saved that somewhere on the hard drive, there was not option to save it elsewhere
[19:00] <Kilos> it saves it in the sytemback goodie
[19:00] <magespawn> maybe i need to have some external media plugged in first
[19:00] <magespawn> systemback goodie?
[19:00] <Kilos> you just tick the left block and it shows
[19:00] <magespawn> there is not left block to tick
[19:01] <magespawn> s/not/no
[19:01] <Kilos> i saw like a gui thing
[19:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:01] <Kilos> must be somewhere in home
[19:01] <magespawn> i have no gui on the server
[19:01] <Kilos> if you ssh to server dont you see the gui thing on your pc
[19:02] <Kilos> you have a gui on pc
[19:03] <magespawn> no 
[19:03] <Kilos> oh my
[19:04] <Kilos> its in home somewhere
[19:04] <magespawn> ypu can tunnel x through ssh but then i might as well hook up a monitor to the server anyway
[19:05] <magespawn> yes all the .conf files and includes/excludes have been created in /etc/systemback
[19:05] <magespawn> i assume you control the cli version from those files
[19:05] <Kilos> mazal 
[19:05] <Kilos> praat man
[19:05] <Kilos> ive only tried it once'
[19:06] <Kilos> sigh he is gaming again
[19:06] <Kilos> something wrong with all the ibids
[19:06] <Kilos> all cant gogle stuff today
[19:07] <magespawn> might just be thier link to google that is not working properly
[19:07] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwje94fl0MPMAhUHJcAKHbdEADQQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fanswers.launchpad.net%2Fsystemback%2F%2Bquestion%2F257220&usg=AFQjCNHvOtQMWcwpsuBGmFYPESSSdalAKg&sig2=ARgbnZbniuw-suJFEaOyHg
[19:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:07] <Kilos> sorry for long link
[19:07] <magespawn> okay then
[19:07] <magespawn> no worries
[19:08] <Kilos> here many
[19:08] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/search?client=opera&q=systemback+command+line&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[19:08] <magespawn> ty
[19:10] <Kilos> i cant find one related to servers
[19:14] <magespawn> here is a copy of the .conf file https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwtcsx
[19:14] <magespawn> you can set most of the settings needed here
[19:15] <magespawn> the systemback folder and the files were only created after i had started the program for the first time
[19:18] <magespawn> so in /home/systemback is the one back up file S01_2016-05-05,20.47.28
[19:20] <magespawn> no idea how to retore though
[19:20] <Kilos> sigh the gui was just a click in the left block and it showed
[19:21] <Kilos> gui so useful at times
[19:22] <magespawn> ah well that is easy, simple choose the number of the back up you want to use and then the menu options changes to 1.Delete 2.System Restore B.Back
[19:22] <Kilos> cool
[19:23] <Kilos> wonderful tool, just needs getting used to
[19:24] <magespawn> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmvqcyf this is what you see if you choose system restore
[19:25] <Kilos> ah similar to the gui thing anyway
[19:25] <inetpro> GOOD MORNINGS!
[19:25] <inetpro> oops
[19:25] <Kilos> write a how to for future refs
[19:26] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[19:26] <magespawn> yes just not all there right in front of you
[19:26] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[19:26] <magespawn> if i am feeling escpcially dedicated i might add it to the man file
[19:26] <magespawn> espcially
[19:27] <inetpro> any interesting news from uos?
[19:27] <Kilos> they going on all the time
[19:27] <Kilos> i cant keep up
[19:28] <magespawn> uos?
[19:28] <Kilos> trying to get membership board together for meeting as well
[19:28] <Kilos> #ubuntu-uos-community
[19:28] <Kilos> they nhave hangouts 
[19:28] <Kilos> and video stuff
[19:28] <magespawn> ahh right
[19:29] <Kilos> then they do irc and video and etherpads all at once
[19:29] <Kilos> i need to retire
[19:30] <Kilos> technology going too fast for me
[19:30] <Kilos> wanna be an irc greeter bot only again
[19:31] <Kilos> and looks like you have to join etherpad before you can edit wiki pages
[19:31] <Kilos> sigh
[19:31] <Kilos> hi superfly all well?
[19:32] <superfly> Kilos: got my car back today
[19:32] <Kilos> what they say it was superfly 
[19:32] <superfly> Kilos: fuel pump
[19:33] <Kilos> and how much did they charge\
[19:33] <Kilos> oh my
[19:33] <Kilos> ian just replaced one as well
[19:33] <magespawn> that is good news, getting it back i mean
[19:33] <Kilos> yeah life without wheels is tough
[19:33]  * inetpro also got car back today
[19:33] <Kilos> oh my
[19:33] <magespawn> your jetta, superfly?
[19:34] <Kilos> what was wrong with yours inetpro 
[19:34] <superfly> magespawn: yes
[19:34] <inetpro> went in for alternator issues three times in a row
[19:34] <Kilos> eish
[19:34] <superfly> Kilos: fuel pump was 1500, total was 2120
[19:34] <inetpro> hopefully this time it's all fixed
[19:34] <Kilos> whew
[19:34] <magespawn> superfly what model is that one?
[19:35] <superfly> magespawn: 3 CLi (fuel injected)
[19:35] <superfly> '93 model
[19:35] <Kilos> oh superfly the big pump right by the tank
[19:35] <mazal> Gotta go crash , early morning tomorrow
[19:35] <Kilos> night mazal 
[19:35] <magespawn> ahh the fuel injection always complictes things a bit
[19:35] <magespawn> good night mazal
[19:36] <Kilos> superfly get used to its sound when you turn on key
[19:36] <inetpro> superfly: am glad to see that you have wheels again
[19:36] <mazal> magespawn, I didn't use system restore point , I used create live system. That is for booting from dvd or usb and re-installing. I never used the system restore option
[19:36] <inetpro> tough to run a family without wheels
[19:36] <Kilos> if you hear it sound different replace the filter by the pump
[19:36] <superfly> Kilos: yes, that big pump. I know it's sound, I just wasn't listening right
[19:36] <magespawn> mazal on the cli you have specifically set that in the .conf file
[19:36] <mazal> magespawn, and it was in gui , dunno cli commands for that
[19:37] <magespawn> all hanled from the .conf file
[19:37] <mazal> Made live system , converted to iso and from there burned to dvd
[19:37] <mazal> k
[19:37] <Kilos> that filter is the most important filter on your car superfly 
[19:37] <Kilos> change it regularly
[19:38] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:38] <mazal> night
[19:38] <Kilos> nag seun
[19:38] <inetpro> good night mazal
[19:38] <magespawn> #ubuntu-za-car-services
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <Kilos> ai that pump is expensive magespawn 
[19:39] <Kilos> i got caught onc
[19:39] <Kilos> e
[19:39] <Kilos> was a months pay back then
[19:39] <inetpro> magespawn: all the stuff that we still need IT solutions for 
[19:39] <inetpro> with full redundancy and all that
[19:40] <magespawn> i still think it is better to leave somethings as they are, means ordinary people can work on them without too uch training
[19:40] <inetpro> you have a flat wheel, another one should automagically pop out and keep your dar running
[19:41] <inetpro> car*
[19:41] <magespawn> s/uch/much
[19:41] <magespawn> run flats
[19:41] <magespawn> no need to pop anything
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:42] <Kilos> jettas are well balanced
[19:42] <inetpro> you say we are not ordinary people with skills to run our IT systems?
[19:43] <magespawn> not if you look at how other people view computers and what we do
[19:43] <inetpro> we build and fix anything here at #ubuntu-za
[19:43] <Kilos> you can burst a back wheel and ride it quite comfortably till you home
[19:43] <Kilos> then need new rim as well
[19:45] <Kilos> inetpro if you need to go back 3 times for same alternator prob find a better auto electricina'electrician
[19:45] <Kilos> ai!
[19:46] <Kilos> im half asleep and still a meeting in 15mins
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: actually I'm very happy with the guys who do my services
[19:46] <magespawn> might just be better to replace the alternator
[19:47] <Kilos> 3 times for one prob and youre happy
[19:47] <inetpro> just take my car to them and they sort out between them and other experts if necessary
[19:47] <inetpro> I didn't have to pay anything
[19:47] <magespawn> ah well that is about as good as it gets
[19:47] <Kilos> yeah id buy a new alternator nad fit it myselfoh thats good'
[19:47] <Kilos> thats why you happy
[19:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:48] <inetpro> I'll recommend the guys at Vision Motors to anyone really
[19:48] <Kilos> even forgetting enter
[19:48] <inetpro> in Voortrekker road
[19:49] <Kilos> most places charge you everytime
[19:49] <inetpro> only problem is the battle without a car each time there is a service or maintenance
[19:50] <magespawn> no courtesy car?
[19:50] <inetpro> magespawn: I wish
[19:50] <inetpro> guess that would add to the price in the end
[19:54] <Kilos> yes but still better than walking
[19:55] <magespawn> walking is healthy
[19:56] <inetpro> I guess I'm kinda fortunate with the scooter saving on daily running costs that I was able to keep my old car for these tough days when the other one is in for a service
[19:56] <Kilos> yeah
[19:57] <inetpro> but very very tough to keep both in good running condition at all times
[19:57] <Kilos> yip
[19:57] <inetpro> cars are way too expensive to maintain
[19:57] <Kilos> and licences arent cheap anymore
[19:57] <inetpro> exactly
[19:57] <Kilos> i go meeting
[19:57] <Kilos> be good
[19:57] <magespawn> i do okay with my two, but i do most of the work myself
[19:58] <inetpro> magespawn: nice if you have all the tools and are able to do it all for yourself
[19:59] <magespawn> a bit of hacking in the physical world
[20:24] <magespawn> that is me off to bed, good night all
[20:24] <Kilos> nigt magespawn 
[20:24] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:32] <paddatrapper> Night Kilos
[20:32] <Kilos> study paddatrapper 
[20:32] <Kilos> and sleep enough as well
[20:33] <paddatrapper> Haha. I wrote the test today. Eish.... Think I passed though
[20:33] <Kilos> whew holding thumbs for you
[20:33] <Kilos> night
[20:33] <paddatrapper> Thanks. Cheers
[21:13] <melodie> hello!
[21:36] <melodie> gn