[18:42] <popey> pleia2: ubuntu-california is an open team and thus via the loco teams team has access to the etherpad team
[18:42] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california bunch of dodgy accounts
[19:11] <popey> also via ~ubuntu-br-doc :(
[19:13] <pleia2> popey: I think we should disable the approved locos as members of the pad
[19:14] <pleia2> making our team closed makes me very uncomfortable (it's unwelcoming, we don't have criteria for inclusion, etc)
[19:14] <pleia2> I'll remove the bad accounts now though
[19:16] <pleia2> and I'll make it moderated temporarily
[19:18] <pleia2> deactivating from california won't help much, they're also backdooring via ubuntu-phone and ubuntu-server
[19:19] <popey> pleia2: yeah, I'm trying to remove ~locoteams from ~ubuntu-etherpad but lp timesout
[19:19] <pleia2> try the api?
[19:19] <popey> phone and server aren't fully in -etherpad
[19:19] <pleia2> ah ok
[19:19] <popey> not accepted the invite
[19:19] <pleia2> good
[19:19] <popey> they pick good times to do this!
[19:20] <popey> sorry about this, I should have thought about the sub-teams
[19:20] <pleia2> yeah, when I'm sick!
[19:20] <pleia2> (I really should get back to bed)
[19:20] <popey> awww, sorry
[19:20] <popey> o/
[19:24] <pleia2> also worth noting, the /NewsTeam wiki page was hit by spammers, IS deleted the page so we lost history, they're working to dig it up from the filesystem but we should be aware that we likely can't trust that data on the wiki is safe at this point
[19:24] <pleia2> which makes me :(
[19:25] <popey> bah :(
[19:26] <popey> we have that dump of the wiki jcastro got
[19:26] <popey> is the data in there any use?
[19:26] <pleia2> might be, but we'll see what IS comes back with
[19:27] <pleia2> I deleted the super obvious spammers from ~ubuntu-california but there are a few questionable ones that I had to leave for now
[19:27] <pleia2> best plan is removing ~locoteams
[19:27] <popey> such a time sink fighting this
[19:27] <popey> yeah, i'm not confident with lp api to do that
[19:34] <popey> ugh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges
[19:38] <popey> as I can't deactivate ~locoteams from ~ubuntu-etherpad I've set it to expire today
[19:38] <pleia2> ah, clever
[19:38] <popey> but they're pretty relentless
[19:38]  * pleia2 nods
[19:39] <pleia2> seems IS has a decent handle on cleaning up after their mess, so hopefully this doesn't ruin their lives again
[19:45] <popey> deej is on it, working on removing teams from ~ubuntu-etherpad
[19:47] <pleia2> \o/
[20:43] <wxl> dude these spammers sheesh. this cannot be worth their time.
[20:47] <popey> yeah
[20:53] <tsimonq2> I actually think removing ~locoteams is a bad idea
[20:54] <tsimonq2> reason being
[20:54] <tsimonq2> I have members of the Wisconsin LoCo that are JUST a member of the LoCo but need access to the wiki for LoCo stuff
[20:54] <tsimonq2> I have a feeling most of them don't want to have to jump through extra hoops
[20:54] <tsimonq2> and the Wisconsin team is moderated
[20:55] <tsimonq2> so if you guys remove all of the LoCo teams, add Wisconsin back please.
[20:55] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin FWIW
[20:55] <tsimonq2> popey: ^
[20:59] <mhall119> popey: pleia2: maybe we can limit wiki edits to user-agent strings that identify them as running Ubuntu, at least that way we'll gain a bunch of new users :)
[21:00] <popey> tsimonq2: this is a short term fix
[21:00] <popey> we can go through all the teams in ~locoteams and perhaps add them in
[21:00] <mhall119> I'm beginning to think using ~ubuntu-etherpad wasn't the best choice, we need stricter access tothe wiki than we do etherpad
[21:00] <popey> but if any one of those teams later chooses to be open like california, that opens the back door again
[21:01] <popey> it was the least worset option at the time
[21:01] <popey> *worst
[21:02] <mhall119> yeah, it was the fast and easy option
[21:02] <popey> deej has run his scripts to clean the wiki, but all the while ~locoteams is in ~ubuntu-etherpad, people can abuse the backdoor
[21:02] <popey> which they are
[21:03] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~vipin01kumar2021 for example joining brazillian doc team to avoid the system
[21:03] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges also spammed
[21:03] <popey> I don't know what a final solution is, but convenience comes at a cost
[21:04] <mhall119> so much energy, dedication and creativity....going to waste spamming a wiki
[21:04] <popey> money
[21:04] <mhall119> yeah, i know, but surely those individuals could make far more money with those talents
[21:04] <popey> maybe
[21:05] <popey> i suspect they're mechanical turk style just doing whatever 5c job comes up
[21:05] <popey> no care for what it is
[21:05] <popey> I picture 3 or 4 of them sat ronud a screen or two figuring which teams they can get through, and once they know, they all register accounts
[21:06] <popey> anyway...
[21:07] <popey> There's nothing more I can do right now, and it's past my bed time. So I'm going to sleep and have another play with the moin to mediawiki scripts tomorrow.
[21:08] <wxl> what team could we possibly make that wouldn't be subject to spammers trying to legitimately be a part of it?
[21:08] <wxl> especially given that invariably we're going to make public knowledge what the team is
[21:09] <popey> it was convenience to add teams to ~ubuntu-etherpad
[21:09] <popey> but we now know the side effect
[21:09] <popey> some teams are okay to add, those which have hard membership requirements like ~ubuntumembers and ~canonical
[21:10] <popey> where we can be 99% confident those poeple wont spam
[21:10] <popey> the problem we solved back then was drive-by edits to the etherpad during UDS/UOS
[21:10] <wxl> yeah but there certainly was a lot of (admittedly legitimate) resistance with more restrictions from the community
[21:10] <popey> which caused us to get news articles saying incorrect stuff
[21:10] <popey> this is a completely different issue
[21:11] <wxl> the only legitimate long term solution that will please everyone is having more spam prevention measures within the server/software itself
[21:11] <popey> the problem is the spammers now know a) which team to ask to join, and b) which teams to poke at when that fails
[21:11] <wxl> yup
[21:11] <popey> thats certainly a better option, yes
[21:11] <wxl> well suffice it to say, i'm glad you're working on that popey
[21:11] <popey> and with moin effectively dead, and other wiki engines better maintained, I'd rather contine down that path
[21:11] <wxl> also, my condolences ;)
[21:12] <popey> hah
[21:12] <wxl> moin development has stalled?
[21:12] <popey> well, it's not exactly super active
[21:12] <popey> and the "store everything in a file" system didn't work out super well for us
[21:12] <popey> we hit the 32K files in a ext3 folder long ago
[21:13] <popey> https://moinmo.in/RoadMap (last edited 2014-01-22 )
[21:15]  * popey really goes to bed this time
[21:15] <popey> o/
[21:15] <mhall119> \o
[21:26] <popey> from bed... deej has done tge team removal
[21:26] <popey> will look again in tge morning
[21:26] <popey> o/