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ahoneybunwhat bluetooth mouse works for sure?01:09
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nhainesahoneybun: Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000 works for sure.02:36
ahoneybunnhaines oh hey !02:37
ahoneybunthanks for the flair btw02:37
nhainesahoneybun: you're welcome!  Thanks for jumping through the hoops.  :)02:37
ahoneybunnp02:37
ahoneybunI have the Microsoft Designer Mouse02:37
ahoneybunand does not work02:37
ahoneybunthe setting does not even see it02:38
nhainesAw.02:38
ahoneybunbluetoothctl sees it02:38
ahoneybunlets me pair but does nothing02:38
ahoneybunto be fair Kubuntu does not let me pair and use it02:38
nhainesWell, there's that I guess.  :)02:39
ahoneybunnhaines I'm looking in the 30-50 range with Amazon Prime :)02:41
nhainesahoneybun: I bought this one like... maybe 8 years ago?  To use during Ubuntu talks.  And the presentation keys don't work (XFree86_[Next|Prev] isn't hooked up or something) so... I'm not buying a new one any time soon.  :)02:46
nhainesMaybe if there's a good deal on a keyboard once my Nexus 7 runs desktop apps.  Maybe.02:46
ahoneybunyea that will be fun02:48
ahoneybunnhaines is there a flair for UbuntuAppDev?02:49
nhainesNo idea!  :D02:50
nhainesI just do the one subreddit.  Reddit consumes enough of my life, hehe.02:50
ahoneybunXD02:50
nhainesAlthough I'm pretty anxious for Snappy 16 on RPi2 and a Mir snap.02:50
nhainesI have no idea just what yet, but I can easily imagine writing an SDK app for that.02:51
nhainesPro: will instantly run on phones, tablets, and laptops/desktops.02:52
nhainesCon: My excuse of not programming because I'm "waiting for Snappy 16 on RPi2" is not actually valid.  XD02:52
ahoneybunnice02:56
kaisozHi05:30
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DanimanHello08:15
popeyhi08:16
DanimanI am new for ubuntu-touch and I have questions  about apps is there any whats apps or vibER + how can I develop apps with HTML for it08:18
popeywe don't have WhatsApp or Viber yet.08:21
popeyDaniman: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/apps/ is the place to learn about app dev on ubuntu08:21
DanimanOK, and can I install apps from the terminal? ,08:23
Danimanapt-get install have problems with the lock file being read only08:24
NycticebuscoucanHi Guys, I'am having troubles updating apps.  My Bq aquaris e4.5 asks me to log in when I press update all apps. After doing that I have again to press update and then it asks me to log in again. Its a crazy and never ending game09:33
popeyNycticebuscoucan: try deleting your u1 acconut and recreating it09:35
Nycticebuscoucanpopey: I can't find my account on the phone it is like I don't have one after each login09:40
john-mcaleelyso, I'm trying to install ubuntu-device-flash on a trusty laptop10:08
john-mcaleelyand it's failing miserably10:08
john-mcaleelyhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16254701/10:08
john-mcaleelydavmor2, ^ specifics10:08
davmor2john-mcaleely: meh that will need fixing in the app for trusty the snappy bit I think is just not available for trusty I assume the same is true of click-policy so we would need a slightly downgraded version for trusty, or you could just upgrade to xenial already ;)10:11
john-mcaleelyI wonder who owns that these days10:12
john-mcaleelyI imagine there will be users of trusty for a while10:12
john-mcaleelythanks davmor210:12
davmor2john-mcaleely: morphis and your team are hacking on it the most I would imagine the snappy bits came from sergiusens or mvo at a guess10:13
john-mcaleelymm10:14
john-mcaleelywhoever last touched it, broke it :-)10:14
davmor2Toykeeper :D10:14
morphisdavmor2, john-mcaleely: mvo or sergiusens should be the right to ask here10:15
davmor2john-mcaleely: but that was only the networking bit, last person that touched it that actually made some changes I believe was morphis10:15
morphisdavmor2: hah, I did but they are not merged yet :-)10:15
john-mcaleelyhe's passed the buck already. lets see if mvo or sergiusens wake up :-)10:15
morphisondra was the last one who actually got things merged :-)10:15
davmor2haha10:16
john-mcaleelyha!10:16
morphisjohn-mcaleely: but!10:16
davmor2john-mcaleely: still your team :P10:16
john-mcaleelyondra, is not my team :-)10:16
morphisjohn-mcaleely: pull https://private-fileshare.canonical.com/~morphis/ubuntu-device-flash and try that binary10:16
morphisluckily as its go it doesn't need any installed deps :-)10:17
john-mcaleelyyou might want to move that to people.c.c, so others can grab it10:17
davmor2john-mcaleely: if that one works then we can just land it in the ppa with tag for trusty and lose the one that is currently there maybe10:19
brunch875#join /ubuntu10:22
brunch875oh... durrrr10:23
john-mcaleelywell, that u-d-f binary works fine on this laptop morphis thanks!10:33
morphisjohn-mcaleely: great!10:34
ondramorphis not sure if you call that merging in :) I was sending diffs to mvo and he was sending me back binaries :)10:49
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vijaihello13:24
vijaianybody there?13:25
swalladgehey :)13:26
vijaihey! Any developers here?13:27
JoeyChanI think u should join #ubuntu-app-devel13:28
vijaiThey would help with porting?13:30
jdstrandmzanetti: hi! I'm going to start looking at bug #1569582. couple of questions-- is there a click I can use to play with this? will it work on mako? if so, do I need rc-proposed, silos, etc?13:33
ubot5bug 1569582 in Canonical System Image "Add Bluetooth apparmor policy" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156958213:33
ogra_bregma, what is stopping us from doing this by default http://paste.ubuntu.com/16259124/13:54
ogra_(it seems to get me the proper resolution in all apps)13:54
ogra_(i understand that it might displaying and scaling on external displays harder, but it would at least give us a good default for local ...)13:55
ogra_s/local/internal/13:55
ogra_*might make13:55
bregmaogra_, 3 things: (1) the dpi value is different on different devices, (2) we only recently had the ability to add args to the XMir invocation, and (3) we haven't had the time or resources to address the problem yet13:55
bregmamostly (3)13:56
ogra_well, 1 should be solvable by reading from "mirout"13:56
ogra_(and a little math)13:56
bregmayep13:56
bregmaor an appropriate programmatic API, which would have fewer context switches13:57
ogra_well, libertine-xmir is a shell script ... so i was looking in that context ;)13:57
bregmaogra_, yes, libertine-xmir is new, until recently the command to launch XMir was hard-coded in a C library somewhere14:04
ogra_uuh, ok :)14:05
bregmaconstant improvement14:05
ogra_btw, installing x11-xkb-utils and using "setxkbmap de" helps with the native keyboard layout here ... is there any way to hack that into some launcher program so i dont need wrappers around my apps ?14:06
ogra_(istalling inside the container that is ... indeed :) )14:06
tyhickswin 4014:17
bregmaogra_, the XMir upload that just landed should fix the keymap problems if you have it set correctly for Unity 8 (it has XMir grab the XKB from Mir)14:18
ogra_ah, neat !14:18
bregmaI think it landed yesterday14:18
ogra_(i kept my tablet on the stable channel though ... guess i have to wait then :) )14:18
ogra_oSoMoN, hmm, alt+back and ctrl+r seems to be no-ops in webapp-container apps (both work fine in the browser) ... do you have a bug for that ?14:24
oSoMoNogra_, no, but it’s a known shortcoming that most keyboard shortcuts are browser-specific, a lot of them are not implemented in the webapp container14:25
oSoMoNogra_, a bug report to track that lack of shortcuts would be welcome14:25
ogra_well, i think reload and back/forward would make sense14:25
ogra_(i.e. nothing that needs extra UI ... like ctrl-f would for example)14:26
oSoMoNogra_, yup, and actually even ctrl+f could be done to some extent, with ctrl+g and ctrl+shift+g to navigate search matches14:28
ogra_bug 157910114:29
ubot5bug 1579101 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "no keyboard shortcuts in webapp contianers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157910114:29
* mhall119 is on Unity 8 \o/14:37
brunch875My unity 8 won't launch... I blame nvidia!14:42
mhall119brunch875: there's a libhybris bug that's stopping it from loading on anything atm, I had to install a patch to get around it14:43
brunch875Oh I see! Say... how's it looking?14:44
brunch875I'm afraid it's too bleeding edge for me to jump on...14:44
ogra_well, you will need to use nouveau still on nvidia cards14:44
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Paddy_NIHaving trouble flashing Ubuntu Touch back on to the bq E4.5 http://paste.ubuntu.com/16260206/plain/14:45
ogra_Paddy_NI, any reason why you use the test channel ? (that is only to test upgrades from one image to another, either use rc-proposed or stable but not rc)14:46
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Paddy_NIogra_, Oh good point14:46
ogra_though i dont think thats your issue ... but try :)14:47
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Paddy_NIYeah ogra_ we tried sorting this before I wonder if it simply to do with the fact it is capitalising "KRILLIN"14:47
Paddy_NIOn device for some reason14:48
Paddy_NIogra_, Same error with the proposed channel14:49
ogra_yeah, thougth so14:49
Paddy_NI:-(14:49
ogra_ondra, or john-mcaleely migght be able to point you somewhere14:49
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dobeyPaddy_NI: pass -d krillin15:11
danimanSo all apps are web apps?15:12
Paddy_NIdobey, Does this look correct "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en -d krillin --bootstrap --recovery-image ~/Downloads/recovery-krillin.img15:12
dobeyPaddy_NI: should be yeah. don't quite recall if -d goes before/after touch, but i'm sure it will complain if it's wrong :)15:13
dobeydaniman: no15:13
Paddy_NIdobey, Cool thanks15:13
danimanBut most of them are? And how can I limit my ddata usage?15:15
dobeymost are yes15:15
dobeyand even the ones that aren't often need to talk to some server too.15:15
dobeydisable cellular data when you don't wnat to use it?15:16
danimanHmm, so HTML is mainly used?15:16
dobeyno15:16
dobeynetwork access has nothing to do with html15:16
danimanNo no the apps built of15:17
Paddy_NIdobey, No matter where I put it I get "unknown flag `d'"15:17
Paddy_NIdobey, I have added the phablet ppa and updates15:18
dobeyPaddy_NI: weird. --device then15:18
Paddy_NIUpdated15:18
Paddy_NIdobey, Okay but now we have another issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/16260897/plain/15:19
Paddy_NIlol15:19
dobeydaniman: apps can be built using almost any toolkit really. but qml and html5 are the main "officially supported" ones15:19
dobeyPaddy_NI: and please don't link to the /plain/ URLs for paste.ubuntu.com15:19
Paddy_NIdobey, Sorry I thought they would be less obnoxious15:19
danimananother Question, Is there any android apps emulator ?15:20
Paddy_NIdobey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16260897/15:20
dobeyPaddy_NI: no, more, because it requires logging in, and then complains deep links don't work for plain :)15:20
dobeydaniman: no15:20
danimanthere are some apps I really need to get it to my ububuntu phone15:20
Paddy_NIdobey, Oh my bad sorry about that15:20
dobeyPaddy_NI: sorry, don't know why it couldn't flash recovery15:21
danimandobey: So I cant install any android app15:23
dobeydaniman: no. ubuntu isn't android.15:23
IZ5WGAHello all15:23
danimandobey: I know but any environment  I should set up for the appa15:24
IZ5WGAis ubuntu touch for nexus 5 usable, except from bluetooth, or would I regreet it?15:25
dobeyIZ5WGA: i've been using it for 2 years15:25
IZ5WGAhow's battery life?15:25
dobeynot great15:25
dobeyshould be better soon though15:26
dobeymariogrip: ^^ did you push the updated kernel for n5?15:26
IZ5WGAI'm using debian stretch... nothing to say about  ubuntu-device-flash phablet-tools...15:26
IZ5WGAare theu in any repo?15:27
Paddy_NIdobey, I will have to revisit this later as I really would love to get Ubuntu Touch back on this E4.515:27
dobeythe ubuntu repos, and associated PPAs; but you'd probably want to rebuild the sources for debian, or just make an ubuntu chroot, lxc, or vm15:27
Paddy_NIdobey, Thanks for the help :-)15:27
g4sgxLoving my new Ubuntu-phone. Anyone know how to delete Dekko SMTP identities? Doesn't seem to be a way without resorting to command line..May just be being ignorant though!15:29
IZ5WGArebuild from sources? is it that different? O.o15:30
oSoMoNmterry, I’ve got a fix for bug #1499775 that’s currently building in silo 53, testing and feedback welcome!15:30
ubot5bug 1499775 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "It's difficult to see where a link will send you before clicking on it" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149977515:30
dobeyIZ5WGA: i don't know what the dependencies are exactly or what stretch has15:30
mterryoSoMoN, nice :)15:30
mterryoSoMoN, ok15:30
dobeyIZ5WGA: lxc container would be my suggested route15:31
IZ5WGAlet me see =)15:31
kaisozI'm thinking about portion  Ubuntu touch to the nexus 6 shamu. Does the underlying Android version really matters? Would it work with Android 6?15:33
kaisozThe porting guide talks about Android 4 I think...15:34
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dobeykaisoz: i don't know of anyone that's got 6 working on anything with ubuntu15:38
kaisozSo i need to go with Android 4 right?15:40
dobeyi don't think there is a 4 build for shamu15:42
dobeyif there's a 5 build, that might be doable. otherwise you'd probably need to do the work to get 6 working15:43
pmcgowanrenatu, rvr s 36 going to land or get deferred to next time15:44
rvrpmcgowan: We are in string freeze. If not hyper urgent, it should wait to OTA 12.15:46
DanChapmang4sgx, you can just swipe to delete the identities from the account settings UI15:47
rvrrenatu: But, any way, fix the typo :)15:47
kaisozThank you dobey, I also think that there's no Android 4 for shamu15:47
kaisozI'll have a look :)15:48
pmcgowanrvr, ok15:48
kaisozAny docs apart from the porting one?15:48
dobeykaisoz: whatever xda-devs forums have i guess15:48
kaisozOk! I'll check15:49
kaisozThx!15:49
g4sgxDanChapman, Thanks, but Dekko accounts do not seem to show up in Accounts Ui, even on 'add account' there is not an option for Dekko15:54
dobeyg4sgx: i think he means account settings inside dekko15:55
DanChapmanYeah inside dekko. "Email settings" -> {Account name} -> "Sender identities"15:56
DanChapmang4sgx, Note though you need to have at least one identity to send messages. If you just want to edit the signature or something you can do that by tapping on the identity15:58
g4sgxAha, a right swipe gives me the junk bin, was trying left swipes, thanks guys, all good..15:59
mterryoSoMoN, silo 53 seems to work fine for me (on xenial desktop)!  It's a little odd that the label width is wider than the url for short urls, but that's it16:01
oSoMoNmterry, yeah, that’s similar to desktop chromium though16:02
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oSoMoNmterry, actually I haven’t got a specification from design, so I just went ahead and replicated chromium’s behaviour as well as I could16:02
mterryoSoMoN, :)16:03
oSoMoNmterry, if it works well for you, feel free to approve the MR16:03
g4sgxMust say as a new user, ubuntu-touch seems to work well, without resorting to the terminal, so far.. Impressed.16:06
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taiebotAm i right new tarbal l= new device ? never heard about cooler before16:34
taiebotsorry new tarball name = new device16:34
dobeytaiebot: cooler and frieza are both the M10, one is 720p, other is 1080p (i forget which is which)16:35
taiebotdobey: ah that makes sense16:36
ogra_HA!16:38
* ogra_ found a hack to fix the audio/video out-of-sync-ness on the M1016:39
ogra_pactl set-port-latency-offset droid_card.primary output-speaker -60000016:39
ogra_that gets me lip synced video16:40
mterry:) nice16:41
troyreadyOh, wow16:41
troyreadySweeet!16:41
ogra_not sure how to translat this into proper config though16:41
ogra_*translate16:41
dobeyweird16:52
ogra_weird ?16:53
dobeyogra_: -600000 is pretty weird, yeah17:00
ogra_well17:01
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renaturvr, pmcgowan, typo fixed. I would like to land it, but due the string freeze I do not think that we can land it17:04
renatupmcgowan, rvr, but I really want to land 71: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/138617:04
renatuI think this is critical one17:04
pmcgowantake the toher mr out?17:04
pmcgowanoter17:05
pmcgowanbah17:05
rvrrenatu: 71 is on top of the queue17:05
renatupmcgowan, ok I will remove the middle name branch17:05
renaturvr, pmcgowan, ok middle name branch removed from silo 3617:10
renaturvr, I am talking about this silo 71: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/138617:11
renaturvr, looks like there is a unity silo 71 on your list17:11
rvrrenatu: o_O17:16
rvrAh, I see17:16
rvrIt got a new card, but alesage landed it17:16
rvrrenatu: I will prioritize it when the card pops up17:18
renatuok, just finding somebody to review the code17:19
renaturvr, btw I removed the middle name from silo 36 I think we can unblock it17:19
rvrrenatu: But not sure whether it will make it, it depends on ToyKeeper and alesage. I'm near EOD.17:20
renaturvr, ok thanks17:20
* ogra_ sighs ... why dont we hve an image viewer app that can simply just show the image ... not copy it anywhere or add it to some photo-roll or gallery event list17:44
ogra_cant really b hard to write such a thing17:45
ogra_i dont really need each and every email attachement i ever opened in my gallery17:46
ogra_it gets really funny if it is a pic that was taken ... say ... two years ago ... try to find that in the events view :P17:47
cyraxjoehello17:52
cyraxjoeI've saw that some applications are made with pyotherside instead of direct C++. Are those applications prone to stop working on the next release? I'm thinking on writing one that uses python (been using python ~ 8 years).17:53
cyraxjoePython is not an "officially supported" language by Canonical, right?17:53
pmcgowancyraxjoe, thats correct its not supported, I expect those apps may include what they need in their click package18:03
ogra_hmpf... so why does installing or upgrading apps only work on a fresh boot on my frieza... after a while uptime i only get download errors18:04
cyraxjoepmcgowan:  is there a reference on the software stack that I could expect that's going to be available on the platform? Like dynamic libraries or I should design the application to be completely self contained aside the QML parts?18:07
cyraxjoeI'm thinking on creating a wrapper on top of lastpass cli https://github.com/lastpass/lastpass-cli18:08
ogra_ah18:09
ogra_mhall119: FTW18:09
* ogra_ found the image viewer18:09
pmcgowancyraxjoe, beyond the Qt/QML/HTML/Cordova apis there are some platform apis available but not sure those parts are obvious18:11
pmcgowanfrom the developer docs18:12
dobeyogra_: no idea. would need to see what's causing the download errors, in the logs. does it happen before or after the download itself is completed?18:12
cyraxjoepmcgowan:  well, I'm still only looking over the platform and have tired some samples, I bought the Aquaris M10 and I've been experimenting on my free time. I'll probably give it a more detailed read to the docs and then ask more specific questions.18:16
cyraxjoepmcgowan: thanks18:17
pmcgowancyraxjoe, great and join the ubuntu-app-devel channel for those18:17
cyraxjoeawesome, thanks.18:18
ogra_dobey: i see the progress bar for a split second when hitting install, then it immediately jumps to the download error display18:21
ogra_i rebooted now, so currently it works18:21
dobeyogra_: hmm. if it happens again, first check scope-registry.log for any errors from the scope18:25
dobeyogra_: if that's clean, next i'd say to check ubuntu-download-manager logs18:25
kaisozWho is an actual ubuntu touch developer from canonical? Just to ask if I have questions about the porting18:31
k1lkaisoz: ask in here and people will try to help.18:33
kaisozOh great then :)18:33
ogra_dobey: will do18:34
kaisozJust wanted to know if this is the right place to get very technical18:34
dobeyyes18:34
kaisozGreat thx :)18:35
mhall119ogra_: :)18:59
mhall119ogra_: is it the newer version that supports zooming and multiple images?18:59
mhall119cyraxjoe: get Terrarium from the store, it let's you live-code QML to get a feel for it19:00
ogra_havent tried that :) ... it is enough to have  viewer that isnt gallery or camera :)19:00
mhall119ogra_: yeah, I really wanted something that would let me view images, but wouldn't store copies of them19:01
ogra_mhall119: does it delete the pics after viewing ? or do i need to care about clening up some cache dir19:01
cyraxjoemhall119: already got it! I'll give it a try with a physical keyboard and monitor19:02
ogra_mhall119: with zoom (just checked)19:04
mhall119ogra_: the images should be cleaned up by Content Hub19:10
ogra_awesome !19:11
kaisozGot to leave, c u!19:25
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