[01:09] <ahoneybun> what bluetooth mouse works for sure?
[02:36] <nhaines> ahoneybun: Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000 works for sure.
[02:37] <ahoneybun> nhaines oh hey !
[02:37] <ahoneybun> thanks for the flair btw
[02:37] <nhaines> ahoneybun: you're welcome!  Thanks for jumping through the hoops.  :)
[02:37] <ahoneybun> np
[02:37] <ahoneybun> I have the Microsoft Designer Mouse
[02:37] <ahoneybun> and does not work
[02:38] <ahoneybun> the setting does not even see it
[02:38] <nhaines> Aw.
[02:38] <ahoneybun> bluetoothctl sees it
[02:38] <ahoneybun> lets me pair but does nothing
[02:38] <ahoneybun> to be fair Kubuntu does not let me pair and use it
[02:39] <nhaines> Well, there's that I guess.  :)
[02:41] <ahoneybun> nhaines I'm looking in the 30-50 range with Amazon Prime :)
[02:46] <nhaines> ahoneybun: I bought this one like... maybe 8 years ago?  To use during Ubuntu talks.  And the presentation keys don't work (XFree86_[Next|Prev] isn't hooked up or something) so... I'm not buying a new one any time soon.  :)
[02:46] <nhaines> Maybe if there's a good deal on a keyboard once my Nexus 7 runs desktop apps.  Maybe.
[02:48] <ahoneybun> yea that will be fun
[02:49] <ahoneybun> nhaines is there a flair for UbuntuAppDev?
[02:50] <nhaines> No idea!  :D
[02:50] <nhaines> I just do the one subreddit.  Reddit consumes enough of my life, hehe.
[02:50] <ahoneybun> XD
[02:50] <nhaines> Although I'm pretty anxious for Snappy 16 on RPi2 and a Mir snap.
[02:51] <nhaines> I have no idea just what yet, but I can easily imagine writing an SDK app for that.
[02:52] <nhaines> Pro: will instantly run on phones, tablets, and laptops/desktops.
[02:52] <nhaines> Con: My excuse of not programming because I'm "waiting for Snappy 16 on RPi2" is not actually valid.  XD
[02:56] <ahoneybun> nice
[05:30] <kaisoz> Hi
[06:50] <testchattyman> woot
[08:15] <Daniman> Hello
[08:16] <popey> hi
[08:18] <Daniman> I am new for ubuntu-touch and I have questions  about apps is there any whats apps or vibER + how can I develop apps with HTML for it
[08:21] <popey> we don't have WhatsApp or Viber yet.
[08:21] <popey> Daniman: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/apps/ is the place to learn about app dev on ubuntu
[08:23] <Daniman> OK, and can I install apps from the terminal? ,
[08:24] <Daniman> apt-get install have problems with the lock file being read only
[09:33] <Nycticebuscoucan> Hi Guys, I'am having troubles updating apps.  My Bq aquaris e4.5 asks me to log in when I press update all apps. After doing that I have again to press update and then it asks me to log in again. Its a crazy and never ending game
[09:35] <popey> Nycticebuscoucan: try deleting your u1 acconut and recreating it
[09:40] <Nycticebuscoucan> popey: I can't find my account on the phone it is like I don't have one after each login
[10:08] <john-mcaleely> so, I'm trying to install ubuntu-device-flash on a trusty laptop
[10:08] <john-mcaleely> and it's failing miserably
[10:08] <john-mcaleely> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16254701/
[10:08] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, ^ specifics
[10:11] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: meh that will need fixing in the app for trusty the snappy bit I think is just not available for trusty I assume the same is true of click-policy so we would need a slightly downgraded version for trusty, or you could just upgrade to xenial already ;)
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> I wonder who owns that these days
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> I imagine there will be users of trusty for a while
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> thanks davmor2
[10:13] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: morphis and your team are hacking on it the most I would imagine the snappy bits came from sergiusens or mvo at a guess
[10:14] <john-mcaleely> mm
[10:14] <john-mcaleely> whoever last touched it, broke it :-)
[10:14] <davmor2> Toykeeper :D
[10:15] <morphis> davmor2, john-mcaleely: mvo or sergiusens should be the right to ask here
[10:15] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: but that was only the networking bit, last person that touched it that actually made some changes I believe was morphis
[10:15] <morphis> davmor2: hah, I did but they are not merged yet :-)
[10:15] <john-mcaleely> he's passed the buck already. lets see if mvo or sergiusens wake up :-)
[10:15] <morphis> ondra was the last one who actually got things merged :-)
[10:16] <davmor2> haha
[10:16] <john-mcaleely> ha!
[10:16] <morphis> john-mcaleely: but!
[10:16] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: still your team :P
[10:16] <john-mcaleely> ondra, is not my team :-)
[10:16] <morphis> john-mcaleely: pull https://private-fileshare.canonical.com/~morphis/ubuntu-device-flash and try that binary
[10:17] <morphis> luckily as its go it doesn't need any installed deps :-)
[10:17] <john-mcaleely> you might want to move that to people.c.c, so others can grab it
[10:19] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: if that one works then we can just land it in the ppa with tag for trusty and lose the one that is currently there maybe
[10:22] <brunch875> #join /ubuntu
[10:23] <brunch875> oh... durrrr
[10:33] <john-mcaleely> well, that u-d-f binary works fine on this laptop morphis thanks!
[10:34] <morphis> john-mcaleely: great!
[10:49] <ondra> morphis not sure if you call that merging in :) I was sending diffs to mvo and he was sending me back binaries :)
[13:24] <vijai> hello
[13:25] <vijai> anybody there?
[13:26] <swalladge> hey :)
[13:27] <vijai> hey! Any developers here?
[13:28] <JoeyChan> I think u should join #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:30] <vijai> They would help with porting?
[13:33] <jdstrand> mzanetti: hi! I'm going to start looking at bug #1569582. couple of questions-- is there a click I can use to play with this? will it work on mako? if so, do I need rc-proposed, silos, etc?
[13:54] <ogra_> bregma, what is stopping us from doing this by default http://paste.ubuntu.com/16259124/
[13:54] <ogra_> (it seems to get me the proper resolution in all apps)
[13:55] <ogra_> (i understand that it might displaying and scaling on external displays harder, but it would at least give us a good default for local ...)
[13:55] <ogra_> s/local/internal/
[13:55] <ogra_> *might make
[13:55] <bregma> ogra_, 3 things: (1) the dpi value is different on different devices, (2) we only recently had the ability to add args to the XMir invocation, and (3) we haven't had the time or resources to address the problem yet
[13:56] <bregma> mostly (3)
[13:56] <ogra_> well, 1 should be solvable by reading from "mirout"
[13:56] <ogra_> (and a little math)
[13:56] <bregma> yep
[13:57] <bregma> or an appropriate programmatic API, which would have fewer context switches
[13:57] <ogra_> well, libertine-xmir is a shell script ... so i was looking in that context ;)
[14:04] <bregma> ogra_, yes, libertine-xmir is new, until recently the command to launch XMir was hard-coded in a C library somewhere
[14:05] <ogra_> uuh, ok :)
[14:05] <bregma> constant improvement
[14:06] <ogra_> btw, installing x11-xkb-utils and using "setxkbmap de" helps with the native keyboard layout here ... is there any way to hack that into some launcher program so i dont need wrappers around my apps ?
[14:06] <ogra_> (istalling inside the container that is ... indeed :) )
[14:17] <tyhicks> win 40
[14:18] <bregma> ogra_, the XMir upload that just landed should fix the keymap problems if you have it set correctly for Unity 8 (it has XMir grab the XKB from Mir)
[14:18] <ogra_> ah, neat !
[14:18] <bregma> I think it landed yesterday
[14:18] <ogra_> (i kept my tablet on the stable channel though ... guess i have to wait then :) )
[14:24] <ogra_> oSoMoN, hmm, alt+back and ctrl+r seems to be no-ops in webapp-container apps (both work fine in the browser) ... do you have a bug for that ?
[14:25] <oSoMoN> ogra_, no, but it’s a known shortcoming that most keyboard shortcuts are browser-specific, a lot of them are not implemented in the webapp container
[14:25] <oSoMoN> ogra_, a bug report to track that lack of shortcuts would be welcome
[14:25] <ogra_> well, i think reload and back/forward would make sense
[14:26] <ogra_> (i.e. nothing that needs extra UI ... like ctrl-f would for example)
[14:28] <oSoMoN> ogra_, yup, and actually even ctrl+f could be done to some extent, with ctrl+g and ctrl+shift+g to navigate search matches
[14:29] <ogra_> bug 1579101
[14:37]  * mhall119 is on Unity 8 \o/
[14:42] <brunch875> My unity 8 won't launch... I blame nvidia!
[14:43] <mhall119> brunch875: there's a libhybris bug that's stopping it from loading on anything atm, I had to install a patch to get around it
[14:44] <brunch875> Oh I see! Say... how's it looking?
[14:44] <brunch875> I'm afraid it's too bleeding edge for me to jump on...
[14:44] <ogra_> well, you will need to use nouveau still on nvidia cards
[14:45] <Paddy_NI> Having trouble flashing Ubuntu Touch back on to the bq E4.5 http://paste.ubuntu.com/16260206/plain/
[14:46] <ogra_> Paddy_NI, any reason why you use the test channel ? (that is only to test upgrades from one image to another, either use rc-proposed or stable but not rc)
[14:46] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, Oh good point
[14:47] <ogra_> though i dont think thats your issue ... but try :)
[14:47] <Paddy_NI> Yeah ogra_ we tried sorting this before I wonder if it simply to do with the fact it is capitalising "KRILLIN"
[14:48] <Paddy_NI> On device for some reason
[14:49] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, Same error with the proposed channel
[14:49] <ogra_> yeah, thougth so
[14:49] <Paddy_NI> :-(
[14:49] <ogra_> ondra, or john-mcaleely migght be able to point you somewhere
[15:11] <dobey> Paddy_NI: pass -d krillin
[15:12] <daniman> So all apps are web apps?
[15:12] <Paddy_NI> dobey, Does this look correct "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en -d krillin --bootstrap --recovery-image ~/Downloads/recovery-krillin.img
[15:13] <dobey> Paddy_NI: should be yeah. don't quite recall if -d goes before/after touch, but i'm sure it will complain if it's wrong :)
[15:13] <dobey> daniman: no
[15:13] <Paddy_NI> dobey, Cool thanks
[15:15] <daniman> But most of them are? And how can I limit my ddata usage?
[15:15] <dobey> most are yes
[15:15] <dobey> and even the ones that aren't often need to talk to some server too.
[15:16] <dobey> disable cellular data when you don't wnat to use it?
[15:16] <daniman> Hmm, so HTML is mainly used?
[15:16] <dobey> no
[15:16] <dobey> network access has nothing to do with html
[15:17] <daniman> No no the apps built of
[15:17] <Paddy_NI> dobey, No matter where I put it I get "unknown flag `d'"
[15:18] <Paddy_NI> dobey, I have added the phablet ppa and updates
[15:18] <dobey> Paddy_NI: weird. --device then
[15:18] <Paddy_NI> Updated
[15:19] <Paddy_NI> dobey, Okay but now we have another issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/16260897/plain/
[15:19] <Paddy_NI> lol
[15:19] <dobey> daniman: apps can be built using almost any toolkit really. but qml and html5 are the main "officially supported" ones
[15:19] <dobey> Paddy_NI: and please don't link to the /plain/ URLs for paste.ubuntu.com
[15:19] <Paddy_NI> dobey, Sorry I thought they would be less obnoxious
[15:20] <daniman> another Question, Is there any android apps emulator ?
[15:20] <Paddy_NI> dobey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16260897/
[15:20] <dobey> Paddy_NI: no, more, because it requires logging in, and then complains deep links don't work for plain :)
[15:20] <dobey> daniman: no
[15:20] <daniman> there are some apps I really need to get it to my ububuntu phone
[15:20] <Paddy_NI> dobey, Oh my bad sorry about that
[15:21] <dobey> Paddy_NI: sorry, don't know why it couldn't flash recovery
[15:23] <daniman> dobey: So I cant install any android app
[15:23] <dobey> daniman: no. ubuntu isn't android.
[15:23] <IZ5WGA> Hello all
[15:24] <daniman> dobey: I know but any environment  I should set up for the appa
[15:25] <IZ5WGA> is ubuntu touch for nexus 5 usable, except from bluetooth, or would I regreet it?
[15:25] <dobey> IZ5WGA: i've been using it for 2 years
[15:25] <IZ5WGA> how's battery life?
[15:25] <dobey> not great
[15:26] <dobey> should be better soon though
[15:26] <dobey> mariogrip: ^^ did you push the updated kernel for n5?
[15:26] <IZ5WGA> I'm using debian stretch... nothing to say about  ubuntu-device-flash phablet-tools...
[15:27] <IZ5WGA> are theu in any repo?
[15:27] <Paddy_NI> dobey, I will have to revisit this later as I really would love to get Ubuntu Touch back on this E4.5
[15:27] <dobey> the ubuntu repos, and associated PPAs; but you'd probably want to rebuild the sources for debian, or just make an ubuntu chroot, lxc, or vm
[15:27] <Paddy_NI> dobey, Thanks for the help :-)
[15:29] <g4sgx> Loving my new Ubuntu-phone. Anyone know how to delete Dekko SMTP identities? Doesn't seem to be a way without resorting to command line..May just be being ignorant though!
[15:30] <IZ5WGA> rebuild from sources? is it that different? O.o
[15:30] <oSoMoN> mterry, I’ve got a fix for bug #1499775 that’s currently building in silo 53, testing and feedback welcome!
[15:30] <dobey> IZ5WGA: i don't know what the dependencies are exactly or what stretch has
[15:30] <mterry> oSoMoN, nice :)
[15:30] <mterry> oSoMoN, ok
[15:31] <dobey> IZ5WGA: lxc container would be my suggested route
[15:31] <IZ5WGA> let me see =)
[15:33] <kaisoz> I'm thinking about portion  Ubuntu touch to the nexus 6 shamu. Does the underlying Android version really matters? Would it work with Android 6?
[15:34] <kaisoz> The porting guide talks about Android 4 I think...
[15:38] <dobey> kaisoz: i don't know of anyone that's got 6 working on anything with ubuntu
[15:40] <kaisoz> So i need to go with Android 4 right?
[15:42] <dobey> i don't think there is a 4 build for shamu
[15:43] <dobey> if there's a 5 build, that might be doable. otherwise you'd probably need to do the work to get 6 working
[15:44] <pmcgowan> renatu, rvr s 36 going to land or get deferred to next time
[15:46] <rvr> pmcgowan: We are in string freeze. If not hyper urgent, it should wait to OTA 12.
[15:47] <DanChapman> g4sgx, you can just swipe to delete the identities from the account settings UI
[15:47] <rvr> renatu: But, any way, fix the typo :)
[15:47] <kaisoz> Thank you dobey, I also think that there's no Android 4 for shamu
[15:48] <kaisoz> I'll have a look :)
[15:48] <pmcgowan> rvr, ok
[15:48] <kaisoz> Any docs apart from the porting one?
[15:48] <dobey> kaisoz: whatever xda-devs forums have i guess
[15:49] <kaisoz> Ok! I'll check
[15:49] <kaisoz> Thx!
[15:54] <g4sgx> DanChapman, Thanks, but Dekko accounts do not seem to show up in Accounts Ui, even on 'add account' there is not an option for Dekko
[15:55] <dobey> g4sgx: i think he means account settings inside dekko
[15:56] <DanChapman> Yeah inside dekko. "Email settings" -> {Account name} -> "Sender identities"
[15:58] <DanChapman> g4sgx, Note though you need to have at least one identity to send messages. If you just want to edit the signature or something you can do that by tapping on the identity
[15:59] <g4sgx> Aha, a right swipe gives me the junk bin, was trying left swipes, thanks guys, all good..
[16:01] <mterry> oSoMoN, silo 53 seems to work fine for me (on xenial desktop)!  It's a little odd that the label width is wider than the url for short urls, but that's it
[16:02] <oSoMoN> mterry, yeah, that’s similar to desktop chromium though
[16:02] <oSoMoN> mterry, actually I haven’t got a specification from design, so I just went ahead and replicated chromium’s behaviour as well as I could
[16:03] <mterry> oSoMoN, :)
[16:03] <oSoMoN> mterry, if it works well for you, feel free to approve the MR
[16:06] <g4sgx> Must say as a new user, ubuntu-touch seems to work well, without resorting to the terminal, so far.. Impressed.
[16:34] <taiebot> Am i right new tarbal l= new device ? never heard about cooler before
[16:34] <taiebot> sorry new tarball name = new device
[16:35] <dobey> taiebot: cooler and frieza are both the M10, one is 720p, other is 1080p (i forget which is which)
[16:36] <taiebot> dobey: ah that makes sense
[16:38] <ogra_> HA!
[16:39]  * ogra_ found a hack to fix the audio/video out-of-sync-ness on the M10
[16:39] <ogra_> pactl set-port-latency-offset droid_card.primary output-speaker -600000
[16:40] <ogra_> that gets me lip synced video
[16:41] <mterry> :) nice
[16:41] <troyready> Oh, wow
[16:41] <troyready> Sweeet!
[16:41] <ogra_> not sure how to translat this into proper config though
[16:41] <ogra_> *translate
[16:52] <dobey> weird
[16:53] <ogra_> weird ?
[17:00] <dobey> ogra_: -600000 is pretty weird, yeah
[17:01] <ogra_> well
[17:04] <renatu> rvr, pmcgowan, typo fixed. I would like to land it, but due the string freeze I do not think that we can land it
[17:04] <renatu> pmcgowan, rvr, but I really want to land 71: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1386
[17:04] <renatu> I think this is critical one
[17:04] <pmcgowan> take the toher mr out?
[17:05] <pmcgowan> oter
[17:05] <pmcgowan> bah
[17:05] <rvr> renatu: 71 is on top of the queue
[17:05] <renatu> pmcgowan, ok I will remove the middle name branch
[17:10] <renatu> rvr, pmcgowan, ok middle name branch removed from silo 36
[17:11] <renatu> rvr, I am talking about this silo 71: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1386
[17:11] <renatu> rvr, looks like there is a unity silo 71 on your list
[17:16] <rvr> renatu: o_O
[17:16] <rvr> Ah, I see
[17:16] <rvr> It got a new card, but alesage landed it
[17:18] <rvr> renatu: I will prioritize it when the card pops up
[17:19] <renatu> ok, just finding somebody to review the code
[17:19] <renatu> rvr, btw I removed the middle name from silo 36 I think we can unblock it
[17:20] <rvr> renatu: But not sure whether it will make it, it depends on ToyKeeper and alesage. I'm near EOD.
[17:20] <renatu> rvr, ok thanks
[17:44]  * ogra_ sighs ... why dont we hve an image viewer app that can simply just show the image ... not copy it anywhere or add it to some photo-roll or gallery event list
[17:45] <ogra_> cant really b hard to write such a thing
[17:46] <ogra_> i dont really need each and every email attachement i ever opened in my gallery
[17:47] <ogra_> it gets really funny if it is a pic that was taken ... say ... two years ago ... try to find that in the events view :P
[17:52] <cyraxjoe> hello
[17:53] <cyraxjoe> I've saw that some applications are made with pyotherside instead of direct C++. Are those applications prone to stop working on the next release? I'm thinking on writing one that uses python (been using python ~ 8 years).
[17:53] <cyraxjoe> Python is not an "officially supported" language by Canonical, right?
[18:03] <pmcgowan> cyraxjoe, thats correct its not supported, I expect those apps may include what they need in their click package
[18:04] <ogra_> hmpf... so why does installing or upgrading apps only work on a fresh boot on my frieza... after a while uptime i only get download errors
[18:07] <cyraxjoe> pmcgowan:  is there a reference on the software stack that I could expect that's going to be available on the platform? Like dynamic libraries or I should design the application to be completely self contained aside the QML parts?
[18:08] <cyraxjoe> I'm thinking on creating a wrapper on top of lastpass cli https://github.com/lastpass/lastpass-cli
[18:09] <ogra_> ah
[18:09] <ogra_> mhall119: FTW
[18:09]  * ogra_ found the image viewer
[18:11] <pmcgowan> cyraxjoe, beyond the Qt/QML/HTML/Cordova apis there are some platform apis available but not sure those parts are obvious
[18:12] <pmcgowan> from the developer docs
[18:12] <dobey> ogra_: no idea. would need to see what's causing the download errors, in the logs. does it happen before or after the download itself is completed?
[18:16] <cyraxjoe> pmcgowan:  well, I'm still only looking over the platform and have tired some samples, I bought the Aquaris M10 and I've been experimenting on my free time. I'll probably give it a more detailed read to the docs and then ask more specific questions.
[18:17] <cyraxjoe> pmcgowan: thanks
[18:17] <pmcgowan> cyraxjoe, great and join the ubuntu-app-devel channel for those
[18:18] <cyraxjoe> awesome, thanks.
[18:21] <ogra_> dobey: i see the progress bar for a split second when hitting install, then it immediately jumps to the download error display
[18:21] <ogra_> i rebooted now, so currently it works
[18:25] <dobey> ogra_: hmm. if it happens again, first check scope-registry.log for any errors from the scope
[18:25] <dobey> ogra_: if that's clean, next i'd say to check ubuntu-download-manager logs
[18:31] <kaisoz> Who is an actual ubuntu touch developer from canonical? Just to ask if I have questions about the porting
[18:33] <k1l> kaisoz: ask in here and people will try to help.
[18:33] <kaisoz> Oh great then :)
[18:34] <ogra_> dobey: will do
[18:34] <kaisoz> Just wanted to know if this is the right place to get very technical
[18:34] <dobey> yes
[18:35] <kaisoz> Great thx :)
[18:59] <mhall119> ogra_: :)
[18:59] <mhall119> ogra_: is it the newer version that supports zooming and multiple images?
[19:00] <mhall119> cyraxjoe: get Terrarium from the store, it let's you live-code QML to get a feel for it
[19:00] <ogra_> havent tried that :) ... it is enough to have  viewer that isnt gallery or camera :)
[19:01] <mhall119> ogra_: yeah, I really wanted something that would let me view images, but wouldn't store copies of them
[19:01] <ogra_> mhall119: does it delete the pics after viewing ? or do i need to care about clening up some cache dir
[19:02] <cyraxjoe> mhall119: already got it! I'll give it a try with a physical keyboard and monitor
[19:04] <ogra_> mhall119: with zoom (just checked)
[19:10] <mhall119> ogra_: the images should be cleaned up by Content Hub
[19:11] <ogra_> awesome !
[19:25] <kaisoz> Got to leave, c u!
[22:55] <aquiles> Hii
[22:55] <aquiles> Someone