[00:55] <tgm4883> Does the Pi3 use the same image as the Pi2?
[00:57]  * tgm4883 jabs flexiondotorg with a sharp stick
[01:30] <tgm4883> Figured it out. For some reason the command line way of making the SD card doesn't work on my system. Had to use Disks
[01:33] <ouroumov> weird
[01:37] <tgm4883> ouroumov: yea I thought so too, but I reimaged it and it worked fine
[01:38] <tgm4883> ouroumov: I suppose it's possible that a 'sync' is needed for the command line version, but I don't want to bother going back and testing that
[01:38] <ouroumov> k
[01:40] <mate|47529> NOOB here, hopefully not too silly of a question - got a base update today and it now says :  Version 16.10.0~xenial 1.1.....is 16.10 referring to Ubuntu base?  I thought 16.04 just released...just trying to learn and understand.
[01:40] <mate|47529> this is at the bottom of the Ubuntu Mate welcome screen BTW
[01:42] <ouroumov> mate|47529, what does the command "inxi -SZ" in a terminal says?
[01:43] <mate|47529> CPU~Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T6570 (-MCP-) speed/max~1200/2101 MHz Kernel~4.4.0-22-generic x86_64 Up~22 min Mem~1015.8/2875.7MB HDD~382.2GB(3.4% used) Procs~197 Client~Shell inxi~2.2.35
[01:44] <ouroumov> ?
[01:44] <mate|47529> thats what it returned
[01:45] <ouroumov> I think you forgot the -SZ part
[01:45] <mate|47529> LOL...I forgot the "-" part
[01:46] <ouroumov> x)
[01:46] <mate|47529> System:    Host: joe-ThinkPad-SL510 Kernel: 4.4.0-22-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
[01:46] <mate|47529>            Desktop: MATE 1.12.1  Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
[01:46] <mate|47529> so that shows 16.04
[01:46] <mate|47529> what would the welcome screen be refering to I wonder
[01:46] <ouroumov> mate|47529, and you've subscribed to welcome updates?
[01:47] <mate|47529> Yes, I believe so
[01:47] <ouroumov> I don't see that on welcome, what page exactly are you looking at?
[01:48] <mate|47529> ok, actually after welcome screen clicking on software
[01:48] <ouroumov> oh
[01:48] <ouroumov> the boutique
[01:48] <mate|47529> yeah that
[01:48] <ouroumov> yeah I see it
[01:49] <mate|47529> Typo perhaps??
[01:49] <ouroumov> So my guess is that it refers to the version number for that particular piece of software: the boutique
[01:49] <mate|47529> gotcha
[01:50] <ouroumov> Because it's updated in a custom ppa so that new stuff can be added during the life of xenial
[01:50] <mate|47529> ok..thx...like I said "NOOB" - appreciate your time
[01:50] <ouroumov> noproblemo
[01:59] <phillw> flexiondotorg: is there any future chance of pi2/3 running ubuntu-gnome? (feel free to reply on #phillw) Thanks.
[02:04] <kisb> gnome? no
[02:07] <phillw> kisb: okies, just wanted to check in if the RPi3 could handle it. I know it cannot do Unity.
[02:08] <kisb> gnome vs unity i dont know which is more bloated
[02:11] <phillw> he he.. well, it has been a steep learning curve for my VM allocations, but it will run on 1GB RAM.... I'm used to 512Mb for lubuntu. But, that is a specific low resource flavour.
[02:24] <Gallomimia> hey. why did the panels on my monitors switch places??
[02:40] <Gallomimia> was pretty odd. after a screensaver
[02:40] <Gallomimia> also goobered the game i had left running in pause
[03:04] <jean-pierre> salut à tous
[03:23] <ten> Hello =) I didn't know if this was a good place to ask how to use rasperry pi mate without an HDMI
[03:34] <phillw> ten: not tried. but there are hdmi converters to vga / scart
[03:35] <ten> oh i didnt mean it that way, i meant as in running it headless
[03:35] <ten> cause when i plug it without the HDMI, it just doesnt turn on :(
[03:36] <phillw> ten: which  server editions have you tried it with?
[03:37] <ten> ubuntu mate 16.04 for raspberry pi
[03:39] <phillw> ten: try it with a server version https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/
[03:39] <phillw> the same guy looks after all of them.
[04:05] <ubuntu-mate> hola alguien en linea
[04:43] <ubuntu-mate> Hi every all
[04:57] <anes_> Dear friends , Good morning
[04:58] <anes_> I have an app in pygtk2 which work in GStreamer 0.1 , but in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS discontinue 'mad' plugin. So mate can solve my problem?
[04:59] <anes_> now my application not working due to lack of 'mad' plugin
[05:01] <anes_> no body have idea?
[05:30] <rajiv1> I am using "geary" as my default email client. Whenever i delete a mail from the inbox, geary crashed. I don't know why this is happening. i am using ubuntu-mate 16.04 lts. Any body please help me.
[06:18] <Gallomimia> ten: i suggest using ubuntu server then. it doesn't have a desktop environment installed by default
[06:18] <Gallomimia> the only difference afaik between ubuntu-mate and basic ubuntu is the desktop environment and compatible GUI programs. if you're running headless you don't need any of those
[06:37] <aman_> Yoo... new user here. Any ideas how I can access my windows partitions from Ubuntu?
[06:45] <Guest88056> Sorry, i'm new here, and a little slow...
[06:47] <Guest88056> Just installed ubuntu mate and quite impressed after having trouble with debian cinnamon - browser failure, kubuntu - couldn't install synaptic,
[06:49] <Guest88056> Hi ricotz and pavel, Gotta move on myself, bedtime.
[06:49] <Guest88056> bye
[07:11] <alkisg> (06:57:25 μμ) bennabiy: alkisg: it is just through ldm / ltsp ==> then file a bug report against LTSP, with steps on how to reproduce it, and I'll probably have a look when I get some free time
[07:34] <flexiondotorg> phillw, I have got Ubuntu Unity, Ubuntu GNOME and Kubuntu "working" on the Pi 2/3.
[07:34] <flexiondotorg> Using the experimental VC4 OpenGL drivers.
[07:35] <flexiondotorg> But those desktops are a bit crashy due to the driver. I don't think it will be long before they work more reliably.
[07:35] <flexiondotorg> tgm4883, Yes, the same image work for Pi 2 and 3.
[08:41] <juno__> hi anyone knows if the size of irc messages is limited?
[08:46] <Akuli> If you post a loooooooooooong message it'll appear as multiple messages
[08:46] <Akuli> I think their length is a few hundred characters, so it's not too limiting
[08:48] <alkisg> I think it's 240 bytes or something, and not all messengers support automatic splitting to multiple lines, so they get truncated
[08:49] <alkisg> If you're using utf-8 (e.g. greek characters), that means at most 120 characters per message
[08:55] <juno__> but how is it possible then to send even pictures via irc?
[08:56] <alkisg> That's another part of the protocol, ddc or something
[08:56] <alkisg> It's about transfering files, not short text messages
[08:57] <juno__> ah okay
[08:58] <juno__> thank you
[08:58] <juno__> im a bid wiser now
[08:58] <juno__> bit*
[08:59] <alkisg> :)
[09:11] <Akuli> Usually nobody sends pictures here :)
[09:11] <Akuli> imgur.com or postimg.org or pasteboard.ca or some other site like that is usually used
[09:12] <Akuli> same for long text, ghostbin.com, dpaste.com, paste.ofcode.org :)
[09:24] <rajiv1> how do i see my modem details in ubuntu-mate 16.04 lts? I am using "huawei powerfi e8231"
[09:26] <phillw> flexiondotorg: thanks, it will be come common knowledge, but my ex-padawan, Ali (amjjawad) has parted from GNOME and I've stepped in as herder of testers and possible release manager - coupled with un-screwer of wiki pages (evidently 180 of them on moin)... 1st meeting in 1/2 hour whereby I will get a better understanding of what I'm to do :) More testing, that's for sure!!!
[09:28] <phillw> for long texts, use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[09:28] <phillw> for pics, the likes of http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/ etc. are good.
[09:29] <phillw> flexiondotorg: right time, wrong day... it is Sunday - the meeting :P
[09:31] <rajiv1> Is /boot partition is needed during the installation of ubuntu-mate 16.04 lts?
[09:31] <alkisg> rajiv1: it's optional
[09:33] <rajiv1> alkisg: if i wanted to create it, then what is the sufficient space for it?
[09:33] <phillw> rajiv1: if you like to tinker with your system, having / and /home on separate partitions is good (don't forget you need /swap as well)
[09:34] <alkisg> rajiv1: it depends on how many old kernels you'll leave around, 1 GB should be ok
[09:37] <rajiv1> alkisg: I have installed ubuntu-mate 16.04 with the following partitions: /root/60gb, /home/100gb, /boot/1gb, /swap/4gb. Are these partitionsgood for installing ubuntu-mate 16.04?
[09:38] <alkisg> I wouldn't use a boot partition. Otherwise they're fine.
[09:40] <rajiv1> alkisg:I have use it because i am having a habit of using it during my "fedora" days. I am not going to use it in ubuntu-mate for sure from now on.
[09:42] <gordonjcp> I usually only bother with separate /home and / partitions these days
[09:42] <gordonjcp> oh, and swap
[09:42] <gordonjcp> and anything else gets mounted under /media, /mnt or /srv as appropriate
[09:43] <gordonjcp> back in the day, /home used to be under /usr
[09:44] <Akuli> I only have / and swap
[09:50] <gordonjcp> Akuli: these days that's probably fine
[09:50] <gordonjcp> separate /home is a bit oldschool
[09:50] <rajiv1> Am i needed some unallocated space in my hard drive to use virtualbox?
[09:50] <Akuli> No :)
[09:50] <Akuli> That'll be on your /home
[09:51] <Akuli> well the virtualbox itself will install somewhere under /usr but the virtual machines will be in /home
[09:51] <rajiv1> if i have only / and swap then?
[09:51] <gordonjcp> rajiv1: no, you can just creat disk files anywhere
[09:51] <Akuli> Sure, no problem :)
[09:52] <gordonjcp> you *can* use a separate partition for virtualbox disks, but it's easier just to make a disk image
[09:52] <Akuli> The only reason for a separate /home is that if you need to reinstall it's easier
[09:52] <gordonjcp> Akuli: it used to be
[09:52] <Akuli> right
[09:52] <Akuli> but it's a good idea to back up stuff anyway, so :)
[09:52] <gordonjcp> these days Ubiquity at least is pretty smart about not clobbering /home
[09:53] <rajiv1> ok. thank you.
[09:54] <alkisg> Separate /home is very good for people having multiple distros installed in different partitions
[09:54] <alkisg> Otherwise, for single distro installations, home doesn't need a different partition...
[09:55] <gordonjcp> Akuli: I never used to back up before updating at all
[09:55] <Akuli> :D
[09:55] <gordonjcp> Akuli: for a major version bump, I'd just go out and buy a new hard disk
[09:56] <gordonjcp> pick the most bits-per-buck, stick it in, do a clean install and over time copy what I wanted off the old one
[09:56] <rajiv1> alkisg: so if i opted automatic partition during the installation, it will be fine?
[09:56] <gordonjcp> rajiv1: absolutely fine
[09:58] <alkisg> Yup, it's fine. It creates a / and an extended+logical swap partition. Although personally I hate having an extended partition if less than 4 partitions are needed.
[10:01] <rajiv1> ok. thank you. Actually i am new in ubuntu-mate, so i need to know these kinds of basic things. I am going to do a fresh installation with automatic partitioning.
[11:11] <lee> I tried describing my problem yesterday, but a video paints about 1000 * 30 words/second: https://www.dropbox.com/s/991m477pgkq9lk6/ubuntu-mate-16.04-monitor-prefs-bug.mkv?dl=1
[11:28] <Akuli> lee: That's not an ubuntu-mate issue, it's a mate issue, hopefully someone on #mate can help
[11:34] <lee> Akuli: ok, thanks
[11:35] <Akuli> lee: One way to solve the problem would be to edit .config/monitors.xml
[11:35] <Akuli> but it's not that easy :)
[13:44] <ubuntu-mate> Hi
[13:47] <phillw> greetings
[13:48] <kisb> hellos
[13:48] <ubuntu-mate> i m new to the linux mint
[13:49] <ubuntu-mate> i have one query
[13:50] <gordonjcp> ubuntu-mate: don't ask to ask
[13:50] <ubuntu-mate> will ubuntu mate team updates the kernel regularly if there is a kernel update available
[13:51] <gordonjcp> ubuntu-mate: that's down to the underlying Ubuntu packages on which MATE is based
[13:51] <ubuntu-mate> thank you gordon
[13:51] <ubuntu-mate> i have downloaded the latest version gordon
[13:51] <gordonjcp> so essentially all Ubuntu "flavours" of the same version number ought to be more-or-less the same
[13:51] <gordonjcp> really it's just which desktop environment is packaged, and one or two other bits
[13:52] <kundan> hello!
[13:53] <kundan> is anyone here?
[13:53] <ubuntu-mate> but in linux mint if we update the kernel there are possibilities that the system may get crashed
[13:54] <ubuntu-mate> coz the linux mint team team is not testing the updated kernel i read in the internet
[13:54] <gordonjcp> ubuntu-mate: all the more reason to stick to an LTS version
[13:55] <ubuntu-mate> yeah gordan that why i downloaded the LTS version
[13:56] <ubuntu-mate> but i just wanted to know that the un\buntu mate team will test the kernel and send the updates or not
[13:56] <kundan> can anybody help me to led bluetooth working? few days ago i brought my laptop with preinstalled ubuntu 14.04. bluetooth was working well but now i have installed ubuntu mate 16.04 now bluetooth not able to search any device!
[14:14] <cxhacerdev> hello
[14:15] <cxhacerdev> Russia
[14:16] <ouroumov> hi cxhacerdev
[14:17] <cxhacerdev> hello
[14:17] <cxhacerdev> my name is lev
[14:18] <ouroumov> * hi lev *
[14:18] <cxhacerdev> hi ouroumov
[14:18] <cxhacerdev> I live in Russia
[14:19] <cxhacerdev> age 10
[14:19] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev, cool. Are you a new Ubuntu MATE user?
[14:20] <cxhacerdev> yes asm user my father
[14:21] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev, everything good? No problem yet?
[14:21] <cxhacerdev> i want create pad pc
[14:21] <cxhacerdev> no
[14:21] <cxhacerdev> ты русский
[14:22] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev, no I'm not russian
[14:23] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev, I have that nickname because of the movie "Goldeneye"
[14:23] <cxhacerdev> you have google e-mail
[14:23] <ouroumov> no
[14:24] <cxhacerdev> yandex vk?
[14:24] <cxhacerdev> have you
[14:24] <ouroumov> no yandex either
[14:24] <phillw> yikes @ yandex
[14:24] <cxhacerdev> hello users
[14:24] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev, if you want to talk to russians, maybe go to #ubuntu-ru
[14:25] <cxhacerdev> thankyou
[14:27] <cxhacerdev> you have mobile number
[14:28] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev, do not ask phone number on IRC please
[14:28] <cxhacerdev> my number 89135403913
[14:29] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev: what is a "pad pc"?
[14:29] <ouroumov> cxhacerdev: do not give your phone number on IRC please
[14:30] <cxhacerdev> ops sorry
[14:52] <ivan-insect> ubuntu mate 16.04 sometimes the network connection doesn't work , the up down arrows aren't there just a blank triangle .the only solution is to reboot till the arrows are there. help
[14:53] <ouroumov> ivan-insect, have you tried to issue the command: "sudo service networking restart" when that happens?
[14:54] <ivan-insect> no  I'll try that next time
[14:54] <ouroumov> ivan-insect, it's rare that such problem occur on cable connections
[14:56] <ouroumov> ivan-insect, you should search google for "ubuntu <network card name> <driver name>" you can get these informations typing the command: "inxi -NZ" in a terminal
[14:56] <ivan-insect> it didn't happen till I went from 14.04 to 16.04
[14:58] <ivan-insect> ok
[15:01] <ivan-insect> I tried the inxi -NZ terminal flashes and goes away quick
[15:01] <ouroumov> weird
[15:02] <ouroumov> Then try "lshw -C network", it's more verbose, but you get the same info
[15:02] <ivan-insect> ok
[15:06] <ivan-insect>  Card: Intel 82578DC Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
[15:06] <ivan-insect>    I went to terminal  thur system tools
[15:07] <ouroumov> So it's an Intel card, those usually don't pose any problems
[15:08] <ouroumov> ivan-insect, is your Ubuntu MATE 16.04 system fully up to date?
[15:08] <ivan-insect> yes
[15:08] <ouroumov> hm
[15:09] <ivan-insect> got updates to new kernel today
[15:11] <ouroumov> ivan-insect, when you are connected, do you stay connected? (Is it stable?)
[15:11] <ivan-insect> yes it stays
[15:12] <ouroumov> So my guess would be that it's a systemd fuckup
[15:13] <ouroumov> That or a problem with the network-manager applet
[15:13] <ouroumov> damn$
[15:13] <ivan-insect> yea
[15:13] <ouroumov> So yeah ivan-insect: two things to try next time:
[15:13] <ivan-insect> ok
[15:13] <ouroumov> 1. sudo service networking restart
[15:14] <ouroumov> 2. Right click the network icon, uncheck "enable networking", then after a while, re-check it
[15:15] <ivan-insect> ok   thanks   bye
[15:16] <ivan-insect> i learned some
[15:55] <tgm4883> flexiondotorg: yea figured it out. The SD card imaging instructions for command line were producing a bad image for me
[15:57] <tgm4883> flexiondotorg: Is there someone I can bug (well, someone I can get someone else in touch with) regarding getting an application working on the Pi? Openmax support was added to MythTV, and now it segfaults when starting
[16:52] <rajiv1> Whenever i turn my computer on and connect my modem to it, internet in not connected. To connect the internet i have to remove and then reconnect the modem again. This happens whenever i turn the computer on. I don't know what is the problem ,anybody please help.
[16:56] <rajiv1> Whenever i turn my computer on and connect my modem to it, internet in not connected. To connect the internet i have to remove and then reconnect the modem again. This happens whenever i turn the computer on. I don't know what is the problem ,anybody please help.
[16:56] <rajiv1>  
[16:56] <rajiv1> what is ntpd?
[17:09] <xmetal> has anyone seen an issue (this is the second time it's happened here) .... where randomly Caja sees to be using a completely different theme and Icon pack then the rest of the  system and changing it in apparence changes the systen "theme" but not in Caja
[17:09] <xmetal> the theme seems to be "Win 95 style" or something and the icon pack Gnome icons
[17:09] <kevin__> Hi peeps. Can anyone tell me how to get the sound working on my Pi3? I have an HDMI monitor connect with a headphone jack on it
[17:15] <xmetal> playing with changing the themes here ... when I change the theme on the main screen the Window borders in Caja Change but the "Controls" do not and when i change the icon theme for the system Caja's seem tto be stuck on something like Gnome-icon
[18:29] <Gallomimia> any timer gizmos, applets, panel tools?
[18:30] <Gallomimia> ah. there is :)
[18:30] <Gallomimia> there's all sorts of fancy stuff in this front end
[18:31] <Gallomimia> how the heck does ubuntu-unity even get a following, much less people who want to work on it ?
[18:38]  * tgm4883 likes Unity
[18:40] <Gallomimia> well. i don't.
[18:41] <Gallomimia> and i have plenty of reasons
[18:41] <kisb> you traitor
[18:44] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: which is completely fine
[18:45] <Gallomimia> i suppose i'll also try not to hold your opinion against you
[18:45] <Gallomimia> but i'm interested to know what you think is so great about it
[18:45] <Gallomimia> i've used MATE 3 days and i already feel unity is the worst UI i've ever used
[18:46] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: IDK, maybe I just know how to use Unity ;P
[18:46] <Gallomimia> well, i guess it's slightly more stable than apple's system 7.5.3
[18:47] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: maybe you should list all the reasons you think it's bad
[18:47] <Gallomimia> crashware.
[18:47] <Gallomimia> overlays that perform horribly, lock up some fullscreen apps
[18:47] <Gallomimia> finally found out how to stop making that popup all the time at least...
[18:47] <Gallomimia> had to install a 3rd party tool tho
[18:48] <tgm4883> i've not had either of those problems
[18:48] <Gallomimia> performance and compatibility is in the toilet
[18:48] <tgm4883> I've not had performance issues, but I've got a modern computer. Not sure what you mean by compatibility
[18:49] <Gallomimia> other programs don't play nice with it. hardware it doesn't play nice with. and oh the wifi connectivity
[18:49] <Gallomimia> and i have quite a modern computer too. and still find it performs badly
[18:49] <tgm4883> :) I get it now, you're making stuff up. You had me going there
[18:49] <Gallomimia> and that's not okay. bloatware is microsoft's job
[18:49] <tgm4883> *finger guns*
[18:50] <Gallomimia> no i mean it. i'm really thankful someone finally told me out of all the flavors of ubuntu unity is the worst user experience there is
[18:51] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: for real though, tossing out generic things doesn't really help in the discussion. Some of the things you are saying shouldn't matter
[18:51] <Gallomimia> well, i'm trying really hard not to hold your opinion against you, so i won't respond to that
[18:52] <Gallomimia> that's like saying oh we have plenty of power in this part of the world. we shouldn't worry about wasting it
[18:53] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: ok, let me respond to you then. "oh the wifi connectivity", well drivers are generally going to come from the kernel, which mate shares with Ubuntu. That leaves the wifi connection manager, which in Mate's case is "Network Manager" which is the same as in Ubuntu (Unity)
[18:53] <tgm4883> "other programs don't play nice with it" - Super generic and impossible to respond to without some sort of specific issue
[18:53] <Gallomimia> true enough. it didn't improve much for me. the dongle i have is pretty crappy
[18:53] <Gallomimia> why would i need to be less general? it's plenty of programs
[18:54] <tgm4883> "hardware it doesn't play nice with." - hardware support from the kernel, which is the same as in Mate
[18:54] <Gallomimia> speaking of one, mumble doesn't handle the sound manager well. is it the same sound manager?
[18:54] <Gallomimia> didn't look the same
[18:54] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: I use mumble without issue in Unity
[18:54] <Gallomimia> i dunno if mumble accesses PA directly or not. haven't tried it yet
[18:54] <Gallomimia> well, i don't. had to turn sound attenuation off cause it flubbed
[18:54] <tgm4883> but to answer your question, I would assume that Mate uses Pulseaudio as well
[18:55] <Gallomimia> i'm apt to blame mumble for that too
[18:55] <Gallomimia> it does. but the GUI is not the same.
[18:55] <tgm4883> Ok, so what else did you say, give me a second
[18:55] <Gallomimia> in fact i like the GUI from MATE less than unity
[18:55] <Gallomimia> but oh well
[18:55] <tgm4883> "crashware" - I've not had issues with Unity crashing on any of my systems. Maybe you mean something else is crashing
[18:56] <Gallomimia> no i really don't want to have a discussion any longer with you about personal preference. sorry i brought it up
[18:56] <tgm4883> "overlays that perform horribly, lock up some fullscreen apps" - I've not had this issue either, but I can see where there is potential for this to happen.
[18:56] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: Don't worry, I'm almost done :)
[18:57] <Gallomimia> especially since it causes overlays to pop up whenever you press alt or super
[18:57] <Gallomimia> turning them off was difficult to find.
[18:57] <Gallomimia> one had to use unity tweak tool
[18:58] <tgm4883> "i have quite a modern computer too. and still find it performs badly" - Not sure what performance you're talking about here. I did some benchmarking using the graphics PPA test stack on both Unity and Xubuntu and say a less than 1% difference (I didn't test mate though)
[18:58] <Gallomimia> and fyi the full screen app i was using was world of warcraft. not cool to completely lock up a game for pressing a modifier
[18:58] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: TBF, that's a Windows application
[18:58] <Gallomimia> so?
[18:59] <Gallomimia> it seems irrelivant that it would hang from having an overlay pasted on top. still shouldn't. but the difficulty in turning said overlays off is my main complaint
[18:59] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: I've had the pop-over issue on a full screen game as well, although I don't recall what it was (and it didn't lockup the game)
[19:00] <Gallomimia> well, i haven't seen any DE that handled games very well.
[19:00] <Gallomimia> so i hope to look to the future
[19:00] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: Ok, then lead with that. It's perfectly valid to say "Unity isn't customizable at all, not even stuff that should be minor tweaks. That is why I don't like it"
[19:00] <Gallomimia> and with all the various flavors of linux, DE's, WM's so forth. it's a shame that all that effort is splintered into different projects
[19:01] <Gallomimia> oh. sure it's customizable. but there's a lack of GUI elements to do so. it's very tough to find how to do any of those
[19:01] <Gallomimia> even the tweak tool, which i think i had to install from a PPA, doesn't address many
[19:01] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: that's a false argument IMO. You're making the assumption that if there weren't other projects that effort would be applied toward a common goal
[19:01] <Gallomimia> but that's the same in mac, and i'm sure it's the same in mate
[19:02] <Gallomimia> ah, well i guess it's a speculation on two premises, not just one
[19:03] <Gallomimia> there's obviously a reason one dev chooses to work on such and such project and not the others that do the same thing in different ways
[19:04] <tgm4883> And I surely wouldn't hold it against you for liking something that wasn't Unity, I wouldn't even feel the need to mention it except in response to you
[19:04] <Gallomimia> well, i appreciate the discussion, i must say. not a lot right now because i'm trying to play a game :/
[19:04] <Gallomimia> but it was interesting
[19:05] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: heh, I like discussion as well, but I'll let you get back to your game. I hope it's a good one
[19:05] <Gallomimia> it is. it's called Factorio
[19:05] <Gallomimia> and it's tri-platform
[19:05] <tgm4883> Cool. Maybe I'll look it up at some point
[19:05] <Gallomimia> i recommend it to anyone technical
[19:05]  * tgm4883 off to get lunch
[19:05] <Gallomimia> conveyor belts and builders and robot arms
[19:05] <Gallomimia> and trains ><
[20:34] <TwoNotes> Argh, installing 16.04 on an 8GB sdcard failed after 7892MB with "no space left"  sigh, back to the store
[20:35] <enyc> TwoNotes: hrrmph
[20:35] <enyc> TwoNotes: never tried hto run desktop os from sdcard!
[20:36] <TwoNotes> Just following the Rpi2 istallation instructions...
[20:36] <TwoNotes> Trying again on a different card
[20:37] <TwoNotes> It actually will be a headless music player, but I figured the MATE installer would be easier to use..
[20:37] <enyc> aaaaaaaaaaah rpi ok
[20:38] <enyc> TwoNotes: fwiw, there also exist lots of fake/dodgy cards,   'f3'  or  'h2testw'  can be very useful to test them =)
[20:38] <TwoNotes> Its a SanDisk - should be OK.  Now looking for vanilla Ubuntu server kits to see if they are smaller enough
[20:39] <TwoNotes> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/arm does not have any 16.04 kits.  fooey
[20:39] <enyc> debian/devuan  unstalls happily on smaller disk space  genearly
[20:40] <enyc> though not tried devuan on rpi,  only in a chroot at the moment =)
[21:31] <TwoNotes> Nope, U-MATE installer for Rpi2 will *not* fit on an 8GB SD card...
[21:33] <TwoNotes> Ah, found a 16GB SD card in a box....
[23:58] <Nosophorus> hello, guys
[23:59] <Nosophorus> Someone of you could tell how to configure the Internet connection to connect during the computer startup?
[23:59] <Nosophorus> Ubuntu MATE 16.04
[23:59] <nomic> it should automatically
[23:59] <nomic> if you've configured wireless