[09:06] Hi, is yakkety daily iso already good enough for aVM test install or better xenial iso + kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade? [10:03] clivejo: why almost all packages in xenial plasma staging have dependency wait ? [10:23] yakkety daily works: does not reboot after install. but boots after reset. So if there a need to test something in yakkety ping me. [10:26] allee: did you tested in VB ? [10:28] soee_: just installed from iso and logged in right now.. No further testing of daily iso. [10:28] do staging pkg still need debuging testing? [10:29] i see, i was not able to install it in VB [10:30] allee: i think Frameworks 5.21 and Plasma 5.6.3 are ready for tests in YY but wait for clivejo to confirm that [10:30] soee_: 2 days ago I ended up in console. Todays daily work [10:33] soee_: a that would be cool, mean I can verify bugs and pkgs are recent enough to report them at b.k.o. Hug to everyone involved! You all do great job! [10:37] seems like all is green: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.series_filter=yakkety [10:37] soee_: I don't think it is ready. My test VM won't install plasma 5.6.3 due kactivities 5.21 not being available. [10:37] so in Plasma staging ppa you have both Plasma 5.6.3 and Frameworks 5.21 [10:38] i see [10:38] Howdy folks [10:38] BluesKaj: morning [10:39] 'Morning allee [10:54] Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) Will Soon Be Powered by Linux Kernel 4.6 [10:56] soee_, ok , latest Linus release? [10:58] soee_: I hope this will fix the broken VB guest compilation failure in y ;-) [11:03] qemu-kvm failed here as well [11:17] allee: you are using YY on test machine ? [11:21] hey all [11:22] My laptop stopped working now on tablet does someone now how I can install vim and gcc on it on touch channel no reaction I donot know where to ask else :( [11:22] mamarley: i think I see what Id done (or didnt do) in plasma-workspace I was pulling in the old kactivities package, but thats dead now and I need to pull in plasma-intregation [11:23] Ah, OK. [11:23] whats why it was loooking for kactivities [11:23] (I wasn't trying to complain; I was just cautioning people against trying to install it and then ending up with a broken system.) [11:23] mamarley: that is the best in testing ;D [11:24] soee_: yakkety run in Virtualbox 5.0.20. Hosting laptop is xenial [11:24] to end up with broken system and fixing it in the next step ::) [11:24] mamarley: thats what we need! Testing Testing Testing [11:25] allee: i tried daily 2 days ago and couldn't go further than 2nd step as "next" button was not working .. [11:25] renee77: this is a development channel. Better try #kubuntu [11:25] the swap to the new kactivitymanagerd thing is confusing me [11:25] lol I know this is dev :) [11:25] I'll hope to join soon [11:25] allee: renee77 wants to be dev :) [11:26] * allee hides [11:26] ?me smiles @ allee [11:26] mamarley: for some reason my YY system is working without activities! [11:26] soee_: I did a zsync this morning to get a fresh YY is [11:27] o [11:27] did yofel rebuild FW5.21 last night [11:28] I kinda passed out :/ [11:28] I was hoping to get some practice on pad because laptop bleeps anoyingly saying cmos battery needs replacement did replace not wanted results [11:28] I just fixed a bunch of things, should be ~done now [11:28] ah hi yofel [11:28] * yofel passed out a bit later [11:28] yofel: do you understand this kactivitymanagerd thing? [11:28] I read that it got moved [11:29] looks like some parts are still in frameworks and some are now in plasma [11:29] So thought should try on ubuntu tablet but do not know which channel for support [11:29] renee77: I think #ubuntu-touch [11:30] Ok I'll try again :D thank you @clivejo [11:30] but it is a Sunday, most people are at the sea side licking icecreams [11:30] ahhh :D [11:30] I started with itterations now :D [11:31] * clivejo day dreams of nice sunny May weather [11:31] lol me want to assist soon enjoying sun in garden [11:32] its raining here [11:32] wet and miserable [11:32] aii here it is 27 degrees nice and sunny [11:33] if only [11:33] come over if your fit you can swim over ;) [11:33] come where? [11:33] nl [11:34] thats a long swim [11:34] not uK [11:34] srrt [11:34] srry [11:34] next island over [11:34] lol [11:34] oops [11:34] ok trying ubuntu touch now [11:35] thanks :D [11:37] are there any tools to visualise these dependencies? [11:41] yofel: how do we pull in those new breeze-grub and plymouth theme? [11:45] add them to the seed and remove the existing ones [11:45] (you can't do that) [11:45] hum [11:45] Setting up plymouth-theme-breeze (5.6.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa12) ... [11:45] update-alternatives: error: alternative path /lib/plymouth/themes/breeze/breeze.plymouth doesn't exist [11:46] thats not good [11:46] nope [11:46] grub seems to work :/ [11:51] mamarley: can you do an apt update and try installing plasma-workspace now [11:57] humm [11:57] The following packages have unmet dependencies. [11:57] kde-spectacle : Depends: libkf5screen6 (>= 5.1.1) but it is not going to be installed [12:09] weird [12:09] Activities are working again [12:09] but my panel keeps jumping to the wrong screen [12:09] despite moving it back and the KickOff menu seems to always open on it too [12:13] eak [12:13] now thats weird! [12:13] mamarley: let me know how you get on [12:17] clivejo: the lib needs a transition (i.e. spectacle a no-change-rebuild [12:17] and a dep-bump on the new version [13:32] bleh, can someone confirm that we can't remove file son the phone from Dolphin using KDEConnect? [13:46] yofel: did you just copy FW5.21 YY into plasma-staging? [13:48] soee: kdeconnect in xenial or yy? [13:51] x [13:52] soee: in x I did delete right now a complete audiobook (dir+files) with shift-del [13:53] clivejo: no [13:53] :/ [14:03] which pkg provides the lockscreen? (I try to figure out why icons of sddm /usr/share/sddm/faces/ and lockscreen are diverent) [14:04] FW5.22 about to be publish by KDE [14:04] a new package kwayland [14:05] is that a move of the plasma/kwayland package to frameworks? [14:06] or a brand new package to mess up the naming of packages [14:06] that's something you probably want to ask on the packagers ML [14:07] which pkg provides the lockscreen? (I try to figure out why icons of sddm /usr/share/sddm/faces/ and lockscreen are different) [14:09] I think our package is kscreenlocker [14:09] the source [14:10] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kscreenlocker [14:11] allee: I lost my sddm plasma theme [14:13] I got it back by "sudo apt install sddm-theme-breeze" [14:14] That's installed here too. But login icons are picked from /usr/share/sddm/faces/ [14:15] default icons were always different in plasma5 AFAIR [14:31] Okay. login screen: /usr/share/sddm/faces/default.icon (PNG) and lockscreen obviously like file:///usr/share/icons/breeze/actions/24/user-identity.svg [14:32] Now PNG != SVG and only oxygen comes with png variants. breeze only with SVG :-( [15:08] wrr 200 MB upload to Youtube = 35 min :/ [15:18] clivejo: It is installing, though it removed the "kactivities" package as part of that. [15:19] clivejo: It is installing, though it removed the "kactivities" package as part of that. [15:19] Oops, sorry. [15:20] sudo systemctl reboot [15:20] Darnit! [15:21] clivejo: It installs and starts! [15:21] * mamarley can't wait to have it on Xenial. :) [15:34] mamarley: almost ready for Xenial http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.6.3_xenial.html [16:06] me want lab liek that: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wild-linux-40&num=1 :_ [16:33] soee: Except not, because plasma-integration is FTBFS: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/9706055 [16:34] plasma-workspace build-depends on that, and then a bunch of other stuff build-depends on various packages from plasma-workspace. [16:34] clivejo: ^Did you see that? [16:37] mamarley: what is FTBFS? [16:38] soee: plasma-integration. I linked to the build page. [16:40] clivejo: It looks like it built against kwayland 5.5.5, which appears the be the problem. A no-change rebuild should make it compile. [16:40] Also, the build-dep version needs to be bumped, I would think. [18:54] !info kwayland-dev [18:54] kwayland-dev (source: kwayland): development files for kwayland. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 47 kB, installed size 444 kB [18:59] :( [19:00] soee: kwayland 5.6.3 was built successfully in the PPA, but plasma-integration apparently built first and got 5.5.5. [19:00] yup [19:00] Im adding a min version to kwayland-dev [19:00] thanks for the tip off mamarley [19:00] No problem :) [19:02] uploaded [19:02] Thank you! [19:02] wonder why its not showing on the status page [19:02] We really appreciate your work. :) [19:03] Ive pushed it to yakkety too# [19:03] I should add kwayland-dev to the build deps list [19:04] so our scripts can bump that [19:05] humm, it is there [19:06] wonder why it didnt pick it up [19:06] The rebuild seems to have worked, anyway. [19:08] but why isnt plasma-integartion showing on the status page - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.6.3_xenial.html [19:08] Yeah, that's odd. [19:09] see if it appears when it gets published [19:09] Stupid slow publisher. [19:09] * mamarley kicks LP. [19:09] * clivejo kicks it too [19:10] well i must bought clivejo some tasty food and drink for his work :) [19:10] *buy [19:10] soee: you coming to Ireland? [19:12] I once seen a chart with all these deps laid out visually, but I cant find it, anyone know where it is? [19:13] clivejo: no but it is not a reason to sposor some stuff when you come to some sprint or conference ;) [19:13] I dunno about that [19:15] * soee is irritated by GoogleMaps ... :< [19:16] soee: use OSM! [19:16] mamarley: did I hear somewhere that you work on quassel? [19:16] clivejo: I have made a few contributions. [19:17] clivejo: so if plasma-integration is fixed the rest packages should be build fine ? [19:17] is there anything newer than v0.12.2 ? [19:17] soee: Id hope so! [19:17] but packaging is never simple! [19:18] clivejo: Yep, 0.12.4. "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mamarley/quassel" [19:18] for YY? [19:18] For all supported Ubuntu releases. [19:18] ooooo# [19:18] * soee uses konversation [19:19] did you apply to maintain the packaging? [19:19] clivejo: Not yet. Too busy doing IT work for my family. [19:20] are you a Kubuntu Member? [19:21] Nope [19:22] Ill have to get valorie on to you! [19:25] soee: what is bothering you about Google Maps? [19:27] i have fixed it already, i am creating package for one cms and map was not working, solved it already [19:27] soee: seriously use OpenStreetMap :) [19:42] o/ KurousagiMK2 [19:44] I'm here [19:45] just waving and saying hello :) [19:45] :) [19:45] seems a lot of you are waiting for plasma 5.6.3! [19:47] already use [19:47] oh? [19:47] Neon?> [19:50] from "Kubuntu Staging Plasma" I work without problems... [19:50] are you on Yakkety? [19:50] yes [19:50] ah, nice [19:50] any hiccups? [19:51] bar the kactivities mess :) [19:51] plymouth-theme-breeze not work [19:51] yeah, I must look at that [19:52] you dont happen to know what might be wrong? [19:55] update-alternatives: error: alternative path /lib/plymouth/themes/breeze/breeze.plymouth doesn't exist [19:56] theres a file /usr/share/plymouth/themes/breeze/breeze.plymouth [19:58] plasma-workspace is fine now .. weee :) [19:59] * clivejo pokes the 386 builds [20:06] ah [20:14] hi DarinMiller [20:17] KurousagiMK2: can you try this package - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/9709701 [20:20] installed without problems [20:20] clivejo: ok ill test Xenial now [20:21] hi clivejo! [20:22] clivejo: will be removed: kactivities kde-spectacle libkf5screen6 libkwinglutils7 [20:22] clivejo: and new one: kactivitymanagerd libkf5screen7 libkwineffects8 libkwinglutils8 libkwinxrenderutils8 pam-kwallet-init plasma-integration [20:22] is it fine ? [20:23] kactivities and kde-spectacle worries me [20:25] apt-cache policy kactivities says i have installed and only availabel version: 5.18.0-0ubuntu1 [20:26] and kde-spectacle belongs to apps i think, why it wants to remove it ? [20:26] Frameworks deps ? [20:29] soee: clivejo: It looks like some stuff needs to get recompiled against libkf5screen7, which is what is causing kde-spectacle to get removed. [20:30] kactivities is replaced [20:30] clivejo: by what? [20:31] kactivitymanagerd [20:32] dd [20:32] and spectacle is part of apps which Im not allowed to touch [20:33] clivejo: so other things are fine (the remove and new files list)? [20:34] looks right [20:34] I upgraded and rebooted. Plasmashell won't start, but it won't tell me why. [20:34] mamarley: krunner works ? [20:34] Yes. [20:35] so if you try to start plasmashell from cli does it work ? [20:35] It just returns immediately to the prompt with no explanation. [20:35] Also, all the autostart apps I had set up work, so Quassel and Thunderbird did launch. [20:36] mamarley: XX or YY? [20:37] cause plasma-desktop in XX still hasnt been published [20:37] clivejo: vut this kde-spectacle is the 15.12.3 version - not 16.04 [20:37] soee: yes [20:37] apps 16.04 are WIP as well [20:38] clivejo: yes and that is why i said 15.12.3 - this is current master and seems like kde-spectacle in this verion has to be updated to work with libkf5screen7 ? [20:39] plasma-desktop for XX is publish imo [20:39] ah not, sorry [20:39] Im still seeing a cog next to it [20:40] clivejo: Xenial. However, I rebooted and now Plasma is working again. Odd. [20:40] The KDE startup time was also insanely fast. [20:40] soee: I dont really know,I need help from yofel I think [20:40] lib transition still confuses me [20:41] It looks like kde-spectacle depends on libkf5screen6, but the new plasma brings in libkf5screen7. [20:41] mamarley: correct [20:41] Probably whichever application package kde-spectacle is in needs recompiling. [20:42] yes and spectacle is in the application layer/suite [20:42] which Scarlett is working on [20:42] so I dont want to step on anyones toes [20:43] Not even just a no-change rebuild of the 15.12.x version? [20:43] but rebuild to where? [20:44] that version is in the archive [20:44] mamarley: i had it once or twice such situation in the past when plasmashell starts after second reboot/login after updates [20:44] touché [20:45] let me see where scarlett is up to [20:45] Anyway, that should clear itself up when Applications 16.04 gets backported, and I can live without kde-spectacle. [20:45] how can you :D [20:45] I could, in theory, see if 16.04 could be packaged and upload to plasme staging for the time being [20:47] oh that might work [20:47] lets try [20:47] Another minor issue is that the "Folder View" desktop doesn't appear to be available anymore. [20:47] is it supposed to be there? [20:47] ie is it a packaging bug or upstream KDE? [20:48] I guess it is possible that they removed the feature... [20:48] would you mind asking in #plasma? [20:48] maybe some extra package plasma-widgets-addons ? [20:49] soee: Yeah, let me check that. I seem to remember this happening before at some point too. [20:57] clivejo: The Yakkety VM has "Folder View" as an option for the desktop, so they definitely didn't remove the feature. [20:57] I think my Plasma configuration might be buggered. I am going to wipe it and try again. [21:00] Yep, I wiped the Plasma configuration and now "Folder View" is available again. [21:01] * soee is upgrading Xenial [21:03] clivejo I am under the weather today so taking it off. If you need to work on an app to make thing work go ahead. [21:04] Think folderview option grays out when widgets are locked anyway? [21:12] It looks like plasma-pa finally works the way I want it to regarding the default audio device on multiple-output systems. [21:12] The new volume OSD is nice too, but I kind of miss the pop sound that kmix would make. [21:12] :) [21:12] (This is, of course, a review of Plasma 5.6 in general and not of the packaging. clivejo, you did a great job!) [21:12] uhm some nvidia driver update is also downloading [21:13] soee: Yep, ricotz added a patch for Linux 4.6 support. [21:13] ah i nice, 4.6 should land soon in YY [21:13] sgclark: Im not feeling so great today either [21:14] hopefully get a good night sleep tonight [21:17] @sgclark2 where are you up to with apps 16.04 [21:18] I see initial builds on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.0_yakkety.html [21:18] I don't remember sorry. Got distracted by CI [21:18] ok small problems during upgrade [21:19] soee: ? [21:19] dpkg: kactivities: dependency problems, deleting by request -- plasma-desktop depends of kactivities; but: -- Package kactivities is marked to be removed. [21:20] i think this will just pass no? [21:20] do an apt update [21:20] kactivities is not needed any more [21:20] dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop-data_4%3a5.6.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): [21:21] trying to overwrite "/usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/kcm_activities.mo", wich exists also in package kde-l10n-pl 4:15.12.1-0ubuntu1 [21:22] Oh pim... wants akonadi but it is there. Very confused. So most of those reds will go away when i figure that out. [21:22] eakk language problems! [21:22] Eww [21:23] another thing I dont understand [21:23] i can force overwrite probably, but will it cause problems in the future ? [21:23] well it needs sorted out [21:23] but which package are they supposed to be in! [21:24] I didn't have any of the file overwrite errors when I upgraded. [21:24] mamarley: are you polish too? [21:24] * mamarley is 'Murican. [21:25] local/pl is the Polish language files [21:25] ill try to reboot and see if desktop start without this one package upgraded [21:25] if no ill try to force-overwrite [21:26] I dont under why KDE are shipping them in two packages [21:26] unsderstand [21:27] :) [21:28] yay Plasma is so much smoother now :) [21:30] does anyone know where the language files should actually be? [21:31] yofel: ^ [21:31] I thought kde-l10n did all the language magic [21:34] from changelog plasma-desktop-data breaks/replaces kde-l10n:all << 4:15.08.3-0ubuntu2~ [21:35] Yikes [21:35] That seems scary. [21:35] Dunno. Wait for yofel [21:35] and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-nl/+bug/1572494 [21:35] Launchpad bug 1572494 in kde-l10n-nl (Ubuntu) "(xenial) installation of kde-l10n-nl ruins plasma" [Undecided,Confirmed] [21:36] clivejo: they're moving stuff out of kde-l10n [21:36] needs that custom l10n logic thing in pkg-kde-tools [21:36] yofel: how do we "manage" that? [21:36] for proper breaks/replaces [21:36] * yofel tries to remember where an example is [21:37] clivejo: also regarding spectacle: put a 15.12 rebuild into the plasma ppa [21:37] yofel: I did, it failed [21:37] meh [21:37] oh, a 16.04 build failed [21:37] well, use 15.12 [21:37] that would need a bump to libkscreen 7 [21:38] huh? [21:38] what would need a bump? [21:38] the 16.04 packaging [21:38] looks like it needs version 7 [21:38] of kscreen? but that's not an app? [21:39] this is the time of day when I cant explain things ! [21:39] if you're trying to bump something to use libkf5screen7, then please don't do anything manual [21:39] library deps are the job of dh_shlibdeps and are automatic [21:39] just do a no-change rebuild and it will pick up 7 by itself [21:40] :) [21:41] mamarley: indeed it does nto show FolderView widget for me after upgrade [21:42] soee: If you wipe your Plasma config, the option will come back. [21:43] but this is some bug no? [21:43] and what config exactly are we talking about? [21:46] clivejo: for the l10n stuff, see baloo - control and rules [21:46] and you'll need an l10n build without the files [21:48] holy moley [21:48] cant get my head around this tonight [21:49] for now every uses English as default language! [21:49] no pl for soee :P [21:49] :D [21:50] clivejo: will you rebuild kde-spectacle ? [21:50] dunno, Im about bucked for tonight [21:51] I uploaded spectacle 16.04 for YY [21:52] * clivejo is thinking how to get spectacle 15.12.3 [21:52] and what to version it so it installs from PPA [21:54] Apt-get source spectacle [21:59] now it wont let me upload 15.12 cause 16.04 is newer [21:59] Delete 16.04? [21:59] I have [21:59] just take LP ages to "think" about it [22:02] finally, accepted [22:02] :) [22:04] has anyone tested the breeze-plymouth? [22:04] how can it be switched ? [22:04] ie apt install plymouth-theme-breeze [22:05] and reboot [22:05] see what it looks like [22:05] or if it works :/ [22:09] it will remove current one ? [22:10] ek i can install because of this plasma-desktop-data [22:11] ok forced-overwrie it [22:14] clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16312078/ [22:15] yofel: ^ do you know how to fix this alternatives path? [22:16] soee: I meant on Yakkety [22:16] :/ [22:16] trying to figure out which version people are using is so time consuming [22:17] plymouth-theme-breeze work. looks not very nice. [22:17] so anyone on YY can you install the plymouth theme and see if it works? [22:17] KurousagiMK2: you did ^ ? [22:18] is it text based? [22:18] just a progress bar and some text? [22:19] I wasnt impressed with the grub theme [22:20] soee: would you remove that plymouth theme from your system [22:20] blue background white text and spinner [22:21] back [22:21] oh thats the same as I had [22:25] On G+ one user asked why we do not package KMyMoney [22:26] I think claydoh said he has it in his PPA [22:26] we have 4.6.6-2 in archie [22:27] soee_: https://launchpad.net/~claydoh/+archive/ubuntu/kmymoney-daily [22:27] soee_: the guy was looking for it, and it does not show up in either ubuntu's software center or in Discover [22:27] soee_: alternatives: not offhand [22:27] and if it doesn't show up that's missing appstream data [22:27] claydoh: is it similar to https://skrooge.org ? [22:28] yes but I have not used skrooge, kmm has online banking features [22:28]