[09:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[12:27] <daftykins> \o
[12:28] <penguin42> hey daftykins
[12:29] <daftykins> happy Sunday :)
[12:29]  * penguin42 yaaaawwwwwnnnns
[12:29] <daftykins> Liberation day tomorrow, another day off for island folk
[12:30] <penguin42> you seem to have chosen to have a national holiday on a potentially warm day
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> the gods of bank holidays will not be pleased...
[12:31] <tpe> Jersey or Guernsey?
[12:33] <daftykins> well both got liberated on the same day ;)
[12:33] <daftykins> as did the others!
[12:36] <tpe> I only know Jersey, my other half is from there and we regularly visit her parents. Only thing I've seen of Guernsey is the airport thanks to indirect flights. ;)
[12:38] <daftykins> ah you're missing out, Jersey is a boring 'little England' for the most part to my mind
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> with better weather though :P
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> in my experience
[12:40] <tpe> And a playground for the rich. Seeing the rich/poor divide in such a small place is interesting.
[12:40] <daftykins> eh it's not really like that
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> where you have water you have yachts...
[12:41] <daftykins> actually i suppose it is
[12:41] <daftykins> it was quite amusing hearing Jeremy Vine on BBC Radio 2 getting very close to trying to claim that all channel islanders are rich and tax avoiding a bit ago, before our treasury minister called in and told him where to stick his rubbish
[12:41] <tpe> Been meaning to visit Guernsey though, should spend a day or two there next time we're over.
[12:42] <daftykins> :D definitely warming up now!
[12:42] <daftykins> the killer humidity is what does it though, rolling around 80% right now i think
[12:42] <daftykins> t-shirt and shorts weather at only 14 deg C
[12:43] <tpe> 22 here and sticky as hell.
[12:43] <tpe> 22 is nothing without the damn humidity!
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> 16c and cloudy with a nice wind... http://wttr.in/dublin
[12:44] <tpe> Though I probably shouldn't have had that tea.
[12:44] <daftykins> wow it's like a browser and a ceefax/teletext machine had a baby!
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> i know, i think that's why i like it...
[12:44] <daftykins> :D
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> all its missing is thee blinking sun in the corner...
[12:45] <penguin42> wow - I like it!
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> just replace the city with your own...
[12:46] <daftykins> yep how'd i know picking me would error...
[12:46] <daftykins> yay Guernsey works
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> it'd be a rare seaside town without a weather station
[12:49] <daftykins> they do ignore our capital it seems and have one up the airport instead
[12:49]  * tpe puts his town in, gets some place in Australia
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> flippin colonies... :-)
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> what town name?
[12:50] <tpe> Wivenhoe
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> there's about 13 towns called dublin mostly in usa...
[12:50] <daftykins> :>
[12:50] <daftykins> odd they all claim roots from elsewhere so strongly ;)
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> http://wttr.in/wivenhoe-uk
[12:52] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: There are loads of Manchester's
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> names do get recycled a fair bit
[12:54] <tpe> Seems the noon temp is more accurate than the top summary. Doesn't really feel 25 yet.
[12:54] <daftykins> i'd visit the Guernsey in the US but it's in the middle of nowhere, so quite the spend just to take a snap with a sign :>
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> rent a telepresence bot and have it take a selfie with your pic on it's screen... :-)
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> the other minimalist weather page i like is... http://isitraining.in/Dublin
[13:05] <zmoylan-pi> perfect for a rasp pi project...
[13:05] <penguin42> haha
[14:06] <brobostigon> how do i print the encryption details of a luks encrypted disk?
[14:07]  * penguin42 isn't sure but I'd ask cryptsetup
[14:08] <penguin42> brobostigon: cryptsetup luksDump ?
[14:09] <brobostigon> let me try that.
[14:12] <brobostigon> penguin42: cryptsetup status <name> seemed to do the job.
[14:12] <penguin42> ah cool
[14:12] <daftykins> i found - http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101347/how-can-i-extract-the-hash-value-of-a-luks-device
[14:35] <knightwise> afternoon everyone
[14:36] <daftykins> \o
[14:37] <knightwise> have a wee issue with the new 1.04 install
[14:37] <knightwise> 16.04
[14:37] <brobostigon> afternoon knightwise
[14:37] <knightwise> when i power down the laptop it doenst shut down :( just keeps running the ubuntu animation
[14:37] <knightwise> afternoon brobostigon
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> do you run "poweroff" or "halt"?
[14:38] <penguin42> knightwise: How long for ? I've seen it take a minute or two
[14:38] <penguin42> knightwise: I think it's a stuck process that something else is waiting for it to shutdown but I've not figured it out yet
[14:38] <knightwise> indefinately , it doesnt shut down unless i press the powerbutton
[14:38] <knightwise> $
[14:38] <knightwise> used to work fine on 14.04
[14:39] <penguin42> oh interesting, mine normally does it after a minute or two
[14:40] <knightwise> but thats way too long for a laptop .. no ?
[14:40] <penguin42> yeh
[14:41] <penguin42> knightwise: I'm assuming it's some screwup either in a process shutting down or the dependencies between shutdown
[14:42] <knightwise> hmmm.. gonna look into it
[14:43] <penguin42> knightwise: I suspect turning on alt-sysrq, and dropping to a text console and using the alt-sysrq to get a backtrace of remaining processes at that point might help; but yes it's very annoying
[14:47] <daftykins> quite the basic function to go wrong :(
[14:48] <penguin42> it's annoying when you want to unplug and go
[14:49] <knightwise> added a line to the grub config to force ACPI off , see if that works
[14:49] <daftykins> :S
[14:49] <daftykins> that's drastic
[14:50] <daftykins> surely that'll trash any and all power management?
[14:53] <knightwise> fixed it !
[14:53] <knightwise> well , it powers it down
[14:53] <knightwise> I don't have a lot in terms of power manangement (hibernate doesnt work in ubuntu, remember)
[14:53] <daftykins> i get the feeling you'd wave goodbye to battery with no ACPI?
[14:59] <knightwise> else
[14:59] <knightwise> else
[14:59] <knightwise> sorry
[14:59] <daftykins> if if!
[14:59] <daftykins> :>
[14:59] <knightwise> quiet splash acpi=force
[14:59] <knightwise> so with acpi=force I turn it off or force it on ,
[14:59] <penguin42> knightwise: Hmm interesting - I think there are two or three different ways of the kernel telling the host to power down - it might be possible to just flip between them
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> which kernel are you using?
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> the 9350 needs a *very* recent one (4.5 or the 4.6 RCs)
[18:01] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: 4.4.0.22
[19:27] <sebsebsebb> at last in here on this tablet. convergence
[19:28] <popey> :)
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's irc, i can get here with a dumbphone and a java app :-)
[19:29] <sebsebsebb> popey, still messing around the O2G USB keyboard way a bit, even though had bluetooth keyboards a while now. ill look at those properly tommorow or something
[19:29] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, he h yeah, but
[19:29]  * popey wonders when his bq m10 will arrive
[19:30] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, in the case of Ubuntu devices got to use the IRC client via phsyicall keyboards for now
[19:30] <sebsebsebb> popey when did you order? you went for the FHD black one didn't you as well?
[19:31] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, that can take a bit of time to set up, plus using a UK USB keyboard but in a us layout on the software hmm
[19:31] <sebsebsebb> means some stuff is differnet
[19:31] <popey> yes
[19:31] <popey> last week
[19:31] <sebsebsebb> popey  ok so soon I guess then, and you orderd the FHD black one?
[19:33] <sebsebsebb> popey he h I wonder who actually has the HD white one, other than me, and some guy who did a video review on omgubuntu. I know most fan boys from that site went for the black FHD and that was that.  Ill probably buy a FHD at a much later date as well, but this white one is more than fine for now :)
[19:33] <zmoylan-pi> are you not going to put the tablet in a case? is colour therefore not irrelevent?
[19:33] <sebsebsebb> popey, also we need you to make more apps for Ubuntu touch h eh,  not web apps real apps. I have used one or two or so at least that you made. stallboard for example
[19:34] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, I got a black case with the tablet
[19:34] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, but when gonig to use it, got to take out of the case
[19:34] <daftykins> o0
[19:35] <sebsebsebb> daftykins moo
[19:35] <daftykins> time to cut some holes :)
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> depends on the type of case...
[19:35] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, well with the bq one it's what I said
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> i like the flip cover cases for tablets
[19:35] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, but having it in a tablet case that don't have to take it out to use could be more usful, if ti dops hmm
[19:36] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi, also the two m10's isn't just colour, but some what I assuem are quite minor hardware differences to.  one is HD and the other is FHD, and the FHD has a bit of a better camera to, and I think that's it really or about
[19:36] <zmoylan-pi> which when closed goes inside a slip cover... i take protection of hardware very seriously...
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> z
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> m
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> z
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> m
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> i
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> I broke a ipad air quite badly when the dogs distracted and
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> it fell on a tittled floor
[19:37] <sebsebsebb> dont want a similar fate for any of my other tablets :)
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> i once dropped a brand new psion 5 within a month of getting it... have been super paranoid ever since
[19:38] <sebsebsebb> that was without any cover on or anything as well
[19:38] <sebsebsebb> a guy from my LUG did a fix up job, but side has come off, he needs to look at that again
[19:38] <sebsebsebb> sie
[19:38] <sebsebsebb> d
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> side fell off when dr opped again since dog, but not by much etc.  but I supopsue it's just glue so
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> oh what happended to the psion
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> 5
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> ?
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> I
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> bro
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> I b
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> ro
[19:39] <popey> uhm
[19:39] <sebsebsebb> u
[19:39] <popey> you're getting a bit spammy :)
[19:39] <sebsebsebb>   uh xchat gnome sucks like this
[19:40] <daftykins> i think it's your fingers, not the client ;)
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> yeah its since I am trying to use the tablet like thsi for IRC, which isn't
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> go
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> i
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> going
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> as
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> t
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> ha
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> i had it in really nice bag safe from elements but managed to pull it out and slip out of my hands and hit tiled floor in a supermarket killing the screen. replaced under warranty for small fee.
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> w
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> h
[19:40] <sebsebsebb> uh
[19:40] <daftykins> sebsebsebb: ok you're really annoying me now
[19:41] <daftykins> ignore o'clock!
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> shop that did the replacement told me he could have earned a good chunk of money selling it as the demand at the time was insane and accountants/architects were offering twice the price for them
[19:50] <sebsebsebb> ok using xhat gnome the convergence way via o2g  usb for computer keyboard didn't go so well
[19:50] <sebsebsebb> back but trying web chat now
[19:51] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi  nice story :d
[19:51] <daftykins> perhaps hexchat is a bit wiser than xchat
[19:51] <sebsebsebb> I have broken two lap tops hardware wise in my life so far, and neither of them were mine
[19:52] <sebsebsebb> the first one I got at school, and it wsn't under a insurance to I think, so they weren't happy
[19:52] <sebsebsebb> the second one was a Sony Vaio and those are meant to be so great,  and over 10 years ago now.  but ended up doing whatgever to it and then one day it refused to power on so
[19:53] <sebsebsebb> I thought daftykins had put me on ignore I guess not then
[19:53] <daftykins> thankfully you stopped by then
[19:53] <sebsebsebb> I think it was to do with the client as well, trying to do it via convergence
[19:54] <sebsebsebb> web chat is working great right now in the Firefox on the tablet
[19:54]  * sebsebsebb waits for popey to have a tablet and then potentialy f lood irc trying out the IRC client :d
[19:54] <popey> might have a look at packaging hexchat for it
[19:54] <sebsebsebb> I have heard of hexchat, but not used it
[19:55] <sebsebsebb> or I think I have heard of hexchat
[19:55] <sebsebsebb> my preferd IRC client so far has been konversation, but right can't just have that on the tablet I guess, since it's a KDE  program
[19:57] <popey> it's possible
[19:57] <popey> we can have a go
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> irssi on rasp pi, jmirc on dumbphone, quassel when i used windows, mac and linux desktop under one roof as it looked the same on all of them...
[19:57] <sebsebsebb> popey: seems stuck with the default stuff still, unless using libertine?
[19:58] <sebsebsebb> apparnatly no need anymore to set the whole file system to read write mode so
[19:58] <daftykins> nothing stopping you from installing KDE libs surely, just a bit wasteful
[19:58] <sebsebsebb> daftykins: can't just apt-get whatever is wanted or pretty much, well not juset yet
[19:59] <daftykins> can you not?
[19:59] <daftykins> i have no idea what setup you're speaking of so *shrug*
[19:59] <sebsebsebb> daftykins: on the tablet I meant
[19:59] <sebsebsebb> Ubuntu Touch
[19:59] <daftykins> ah i see
[20:00] <daftykins> hadn't really considered that it isn't a normal system in a way :>
[20:00] <sebsebsebb> seems there's a way to like change the thing that has the default apps though, a bit of hacking hmm
[20:00] <sebsebsebb> daftykins: it's not a normal ssytem exactly
[20:01] <daftykins> yeah i got that
[20:12] <daftykins> wow that Canada fire, someone caught their house burning up over a security system on their phone it seems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTlGFsP4JeQ
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> isn't technology wonderful...
[20:13] <daftykins> it's ok the smoke alarm is going!
[20:14] <daftykins> wow i just noticed the guy left his expensive DJI drone in the lower right
[20:14] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't fit in his go bag probably
[20:16] <sebsebseb> ok back
[20:16] <sebsebseb> kiwi irc this tie to, and rotatin lock on tablet to that's better
[20:17] <sebsebseb> daftykins: So yeah it's not a normal system ,but that's what makes it interseting, will use a lot of stuff from desktop ubuntu though really I guess
[20:31] <sebsebsebm10whit> oh
[20:34] <sebThreeM10white> nearly
[20:34] <sebsebsebM10whit> too long
[20:35] <sebthreeM10white> ok
[20:45] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: good news! http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/8/11635442/raspberry-pi-tube-amp
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> i saw that a few weeks back.  proper tubes in an amp.  so it should take a good 30 seconds to warm up... :-)
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> it'd remind me of the radio my parents got as a wedding present.  a beautiful philips tube radio. wonderful reception
[20:48] <daftykins> how'd it sound? :)
[20:49] <zmoylan-pi> people often talk about the warmth of the audio of tube radios and they're right
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> i do regret not taking the radio when i left home but it was huge
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> mind there was an article yesterday about someone blowing their own valves... home made valves...
[21:06] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> a few 1000 of those and you could make a word processor... :-P
[21:07] <daftykins> but can it run Linux? ;)
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> then you'll need 1337 valves of course
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> but no systemd!! :-D
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> that would require punch cards...
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> i always feel like punching something when systemd comes up...
[21:22] <sebsebseb> popey thats better using one of my bluetooth keyboards now
[21:28] <daftykins> this is neat, my new motherboard has a headphone amp i believe... so the headphone jack on my case sounds quite good straight from the onboard audio!
[21:29] <daftykins> auto switching :O
[21:29] <popey> thats novel
[21:29] <popey> never seen a mobo with a preamp
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> either that or it's an amp with serious cpu power... :-P
[21:30] <daftykins> 300 ohm headphone amp
[21:30] <daftykins> hrmm
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> great you can listen to dave listers ohm song... :-D
[21:30] <daftykins> bet it wouldn't work under Linux
[21:30]  * daftykins whistles
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like a tube radio...
[21:34] <popey> BED TIME FOR ALL
[21:34] <daftykins> aww does that mean you're shuffling us out on the door step?
[21:35]  * daftykins hopes it's not raining
[21:51] <sebsebseb> backlit keyboard
[21:52] <daftykins> i keep taking my new laptop up to bed and forgetting it has one, then suddenly going "AAAAH! *jab* huzzah i can see keys!"
[21:53] <daftykins> then the cat looks at me funny
[21:55] <sebsebseb> your new keyboard oh?
[21:55] <sebsebseb> your new keyboard oh>?
[21:56] <daftykins> new laptop
[21:57] <daftykins> has a backlit keyboard
[21:57] <sebsebseb> oh right I see
[21:59] <sebsebseb> well I am finally trying out first time with ubuntu tablet this backlit bluetooth 3.0 keyboard i got the other week
[21:59] <sebsebseb> how's yours in the dark? this one with it's 7 or so colours is okish I guess, but this is the first time I am using one as well
[22:00] <daftykins> just white on the Dell XPS13, with two different levels of brightness
[22:00] <sebsebseb> oh you only get the colour white
[22:00] <sebsebseb> I got 7 or so colours yep, and two levels of brightness
[22:01] <sebsebseb> I guess the person who said here in IRC the other weekk that they are a bit of a gimmick is rigght really
[22:02] <sebsebseb> but at least can see what's on the keys in the dark now, but not in a particulary nice way\
[22:09] <daftykins> yeah i was almost thinking it's not so stupid after all on all these desktop keyboards now, as my officey room here isn't very well lit
[22:11] <sebsebseb> yeah can be in a room with not much light
[22:11] <sebsebseb> or you could be watching tv in the dark otherwise
[22:11] <sebsebseb> I think I am going to get bored  quite quickly of the 7 colours already am really, but it isn't really a toy anyway
[22:12] <sebsebseb> and oh typing to you is working better like this,  than via the normal usb keyboard via a o2g device
[22:12] <sebsebseb> still a bit slow to respond to my typing speed I think really, or is it hmm
[22:13] <sebsebseb> not sure what some stuff is on the keyboard, but can also use it to adjust the tablet speaker volume so that's good :).  and oh this thing has nice speakers :) been listening to libre.fm :)