[16:54] <wxl> phillw: i have no clue what you're asking for. so are you leaving your responsibilities within lubuntu?
[16:56] <phillw> wxl: no, I'm actually asking for release manager to be formalised again instead of me going via flexiondotorg when -release team need decisions and actually having to turn up on that channel to approve the PPC ones as our testers were not filing against the iso-tracker.... I promised we'd try to have them register on there instead of email / social media :)
[16:57] <phillw> wxl: Julien's quite happy with it, I've made my peace - but he says you must also agree.
[16:57] <wxl> phillw: the release manager is a team on lp.
[16:58] <phillw> wxl: I know... if you recall I had you added :P julien wants to know that you're happy with me being re-added.
[16:58] <wxl> phillw: i'm not sure what sense that makes if you're going to be release manager for gnome.
[17:01] <phillw> wxl: I'm not sure how being a release manager for GNOME means I cannot and will not test lubuntu. i also test MATE and xubuntu if they are short of test cases being carried out.... A tester is a tester... However, if you wish to veto my being returned as a release manager for lubuntu, i and Julien will accept you decision.
[17:02] <wxl> phillw: if you're trying to get admin access to the tracker for gnome, it doesn't make sense to do so through lubuntu. gnome should have access through some formalized means, and if it doesn, i would suggest you do that through gnome.
[17:02] <wxl> phillw: also, to be clear, being a tester is not the same as being a release manager.
[17:03] <phillw> wxl: release managers for flavours are flavour specific as per their lp accounts. The -release team have global privs. So, my being a release manager for GNOME <> permissions for lubuntu. Different lp page
[17:05] <wxl> phillw: i would certainly like to see how your new responsibilities with gnome are going to affect your ability to actually contribute on a regular basis in lubuntu. seems like a dramatically strange set of circumstances.
[17:07] <phillw> wxl: okay. I will refute my permission to be re-instigated as a release manager for lubuntu. This does mean you will have to be available at the times the -release team ask for decisions. I will no longer use a 3rd party to give my opinion.
[17:08] <wxl> phillw: great. thanks.
[17:13] <phillw> wxl: you have mail :)
[17:30] <phillw> wxl: I've got Julien's mail to Fb, G+ and lubuntu.me - if you have others, please spread it. Thanks.
[18:28] <lynorian> wxl is right here
[18:30] <lynorian> also when I have a testcase that says needs fixing in a branch and then I push an update to that to fix it is there a step I need to take to get in merged
[18:30] <lynorian> I had a testcase like that for qterminal I think
[18:32] <wxl> lynorian: if it's been reviewed, the maintainers should do it. i'm among them, so you're welcome to ask
[18:32] <wxl> lynorian: if it's been reviewed and then you make a change, then it ultimately needs to be reviewed again
[18:32] <lynorian> for ubuntu-manual tests?
[18:32] <wxl> yeps
[18:34] <lynorian> https://code.launchpad.net/~walterorlin/ubuntu-manual-tests/qterminal
[21:20] <phillw> wxl: balloons told me that with him of jollying with juju there is no plug in replacement for qa/ testing... His assertion is that the community teams are pretty much on their own. It may possibly a part of information that should be shared with the QA / dev team ....?
[21:23] <phillw> wxl: (14:40:15) phillw: But, anyways.. who is TL for iso testing if you're playing with juju ?
[21:23] <phillw> (14:40:44) balloons: for now it falls back to the community team and the QA team
[21:23] <phillw> (14:41:08) phillw: any PoC ?
[21:23] <phillw> (14:41:12) balloons: they have most of the cycle to figure it out, I don't know what will happen
[21:25] <phillw> It's nice to chat with people who were friends and those I've crossed swords with. I can rely on both for openess and 100% honesty
[21:40] <phillw> wxl: touching base, even though briefly with a certain Colin Watson was amazing, he's retired from teams and work so many bloody times. Yet, he keeps his finger in the pie and was the guy who sorted our alternate installer bug out... A 100% gentleman and an honour for him to even remember me!!!
[21:41] <phillw> next on my list will be Brian Murray.... Bug master general :D
[21:41] <wxl> phillw: next on your list for what?
[21:41] <lynorian> hugging?
[21:42] <phillw> wxl: to say hello to. I've been a silent for quite a while, I want to catch up with those I hold as highest honour and call Sir (even the lady ones like lyz)
[21:43] <wxl> phillw: great. well enjoy yourself, but no need to update us on your every move ;)
[21:43] <phillw> wxl: I got told off for NOT telling my every move?....
[21:44] <wxl> phillw: nope, that's not why.
[21:45] <wxl> phillw: you can consult the topic for what the intended subjects for this channel are, in case it's not clear.
[21:46] <phillw> Ah, yes... that was an email sequence squashed by the boss.... I either can chat to people and formulate ways forward with us having chats, or I report here every time I pick my nose.... I'm in reporting here every time I pick nose mode so people do not think I'm working clandestine :)
[21:46] <wxl> phillw: your extremism is certainly not appreciated. please waste someone else's time. thank you.
[21:47] <phillw> wxl: you were the one who said I was not informing the group about things.... I am now informing the group about things.... all of them, less I be accused of keeping secrets again.
[21:48] <wxl> phillw: your desire to have a personal check-in with various people in the ubuntu community has little to do with "Lubuntu QA/Development."
[21:48] <wxl> phillw: for example, you might be a contributor to Lubuntu, but i have no interest in what you have for breakfast.
[21:49] <phillw> wxl: well the chat with balloons certainly could have implications for lubuntu
[21:49] <wxl> phillw: yep, it might. i replied to it. the rest of it, though, i'm not sure. come on, phill, just be reasonable. please.
[21:51] <phillw> A chat with the guy who sorted out our red bug for alternate install is also, IMHO, worthy of note so other bug hunters know he is both kind to lubuntu and knows a hell of a lot about debian installer.
[21:52] <wxl> phillw: what would be valuable to relate to this channel is information that is relevant to the development of lubuntu, or qa there of. the fact that you intend to have a chat with someone for some unknown reason is not relevant.
[21:53] <wxl> phillw: i'm not interested in filling up the logs with this ridiculousness. please, phillw, please stop. i'm begging you.
[21:53] <phillw> And, as for a chat with Brian Murray?.... come on now.... Bug master General?... do not fear these guys, they are really good people. And for all of the newer people, knowing their names and not fearing approaching them for advice is all for the better.
[21:54] <wxl> phillw: enough.
[21:58] <phillw> enough what? You said I was not informing people of my chats about lubuntu. And now that I am, you ask me to stop?.... will you make your mind up?
[21:58] <wxl> phillw: go find something productive to do.
[22:00] <phillw> This is productive, I don't want to be accused of secrecy and telling people everything at the same time... As you're the self anointed censor, you tell me what I must and must not disclose.
[22:01] <wxl> phillw: no one said "everything." also, i'm not asking for censorship, but to stay on topic.
[22:02] <phillw> Oh, and breakfast, as you mentioned it, was a fried egg sandwich, although I fail to see how that is pertinent to lubuntu.
[22:08] <phillw> wxl: I did... chats between 3 developers about LXQt finally got resolved.... Yet you were saying I was not being open.... Thing is, the devs were chatting to each other and I was trying to translate it into English. Finally, Julien made his statement to go along side Alf's. You're new to this game.... sometimes we just chat to the devs and they will form a consensus. What gets forgotten, far to often, is that we live under a technocracy, n
[22:14] <phillw> s/to/too/
[22:23] <phillw> hiyas tsimonq2
[22:24] <tsimonq2> hello phillw, how are you today?
[22:26] <phillw> tsimonq2:  good here... mind still slightly in a blur for GNOME stuff, they are having a massive re-vamp of things and looking to move to mediawiki from moin.... This will be briliant as it is my goal for lubuntu to also do that.
[22:26] <tsimonq2> I see
[22:26] <tsimonq2> well cool :)
[22:27] <lynorian> well if a kenrel updated made a laptop run so hot you cooked an egg on it that kind of matters for this channel but is quite unliekly
[22:28] <phillw> yup, I will be allocating virt7 to be a dedicated multi site media wiki server once JasonO has finished his end of year exams.... You should really get to chat with him, he's a little older than you are, but is a 100% geek.
[22:31] <phillw> lynorian: my laptop doesn't cook eggs currently at 43 C
[22:41] <phillw> wb tsimonq2
[22:41] <phillw> tsimonq2: (23:28:30) phillw: yup, I will be allocating virt7 to be a dedicated multi site media wiki server once JasonO has finished his end of year exams.... You should really get to chat with him, he's a little older than you are, but is a 100% geek.
[22:42] <tsimonq2> phillw: please read the topic. We have #lubuntu-offtopic for a reason. :)
[22:44] <phillw> tsimonq2: please read the topic, develepment of lubuntu is the reason and having a new wiki area for LXQt coming on board, whilst keeping the GTK area is an important task to be addressed as Julien hopes to have a 16.10 release for testing and we have exactly ZERO wiki notes for applications etc.
[22:56] <phillw> tsimonq2: so, are you on board for the LXQt wiki area?
[23:01] <lynorian> yes that is also quite important to get done
[23:25] <lynorian> yeah having it seperate seems to make sense as then people won't get confused for each different one