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pittiGood morning06:26
seb128hey pitti! had a good trip back? enjoyed the sunny sunday & recovered from the week?06:34
pittibonjour seb128 !06:34
pittiseb128: indeed I did! we spent the entire Sunday outside; watching the canoo & kajak international contest on the wild water canal, I played basketball outside, did some gardening, and we re-coated our patio furniture06:36
pittiseb128: almost no jetlag problems this time, sun helps :)06:36
pittiI think I by and large figured this out06:36
seb128great :-)06:37
pittiseb128: et toi, as-tu eu un bon week-end aussi ?06:38
seb128oui, plutôt bon06:38
seb128we were in the North of France, spending the w.e and picking up some fournitures, was quite sunny&warm06:39
seb128bah, just looked at the forecast06:40
seb128rainy started on wednesday and like 13°C next w.e06:40
seb128starting06:40
* seb128 needs to go play tennis tonight while it's still nice06:41
pittiseb128: oh, I had assumed you had some fixed times in the week for tennis06:41
pittiseb128: is your partner flexible as well, or do you just play with whoever happens to be on the court?06:42
seb128I've fixed times from training06:42
duflupitti: Morning.... and question: How to I find out the error report ID of a crash just submitted?06:42
dufluI get no URL information. Just .uploaded added06:42
seb128but then I know some people who like to play one or two time a week and are flexible on the days06:42
seb128we usually play at 7pm or 8pm06:43
seb128hey duflu06:43
dufluMorning seb12806:43
seb128duflu, you have a link to your reported issues in unity-control-center -> privacy06:44
seb128duflu, or you can open 'http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/'$(printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) | sha512sum)06:44
pittiduflu: in control center's "security & privacy" (or similar) -> Diagnosis you have a "show earlier reports"06:44
pittithis leads you to the URL that seb128 mentioned06:44
dufluSweet, thanks seb128 + pitti06:44
seb128yw!06:44
pittithat page became a whole lot more useful during the error tracker sprint06:44
seb128pitti, oh, nice, I didn't visit for a while06:45
seb128good work :-)06:45
happyaronseb128: https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6404038/+listing-archive-extra06:59
seb128hey happyaron! how are you?06:59
happyaronbut not quite sure about the version to use, in 16.10 there's -1build106:59
happyarongreat, :)06:59
seb128happyaron, thanks, going to have a look to that today07:00
seb128the version you used looks good07:00
Sweet5harkmoin07:00
seb128also did you see the n-m bug I assigned you? we might want to cherry pack that specific patch07:00
seb128hey Sweet5hark, wie gehts?07:00
happyaronseb128: yes I've read that07:01
Sweet5harkIm fine, how about you?07:01
seb128I'm good thanks07:02
seb128going to grab some coffee outside, bbiab07:29
* duflu seconds that07:34
desrthello desktop!07:46
* desrt is back from the mosel07:46
pittihey desrt!07:50
desrthello pitti07:51
desrtyour country is pretty07:51
pittidesrt: some parts are indeed, the Mosel region for sure is07:51
pittidesrt: did you get enough wine? :-)07:51
desrtbleh07:51
desrti don't need to drink for another week, i think07:51
desrtalthough i also brought many bottles with me :)07:52
Laneymorning!08:03
flexiondotorgMorning.08:04
Laneyhaha08:04
* Laney pictures a stern flexiondotorg sitting behind a desk08:04
willcookemorning all08:05
* flexiondotorg is not feeling stern :-)08:05
flexiondotorgBut does need some advice.08:05
flexiondotorgDebian is now GTK 3.20.08:05
flexiondotorgUbuntu 16.10 is currently 3.18.08:05
flexiondotorgI've packages mate-themes 3.20 for Debian.08:06
flexiondotorgBut obviously don't want those to sync to Ubuntu, just yet.08:06
flexiondotorgHow can I version/name mate-themes in Ubuntu to prevent the Debian sync replacing them?08:06
flexiondotorgJust add -0ubuntu1 suffix, or something else?08:06
flexiondotorgLaney, seb128 Any suggestions? ^^^08:07
LaneyIt won't sync if there's 'ubuntu' in the version string08:07
flexiondotorgOK. Perfect.08:07
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seb128hey desrt Laney willcooke flexiondotorg08:16
desrtmoin, seb08:16
flexiondotorgo/08:16
seb128flexiondotorg, what laney said08:16
seb128things are autosynced only when they are exact copies08:17
seb128if there is a local diff it needs to be manually handled08:17
Laneysort of, it determines it by version08:17
Laneyso if you do 'buildX' then it will be overwritten08:17
Laneyeven if it wasn't actually a rebuild08:17
Laneyhi seb128!08:18
seb128hey Laney08:18
seb128right08:18
seb128sorry should have been more specific ;-)08:18
Laneygood weekend?08:18
seb128Laney, had a good w.e?08:18
Laneyheh08:18
seb128quite, though we had to pick furnitures and drive around with those08:19
Laneysummer arrived all at once08:19
seb128would have prefered to spend that time enjoying the sun08:19
seb128yeah08:19
seb128here it came08:19
seb128but it's going away08:19
Laneywe went to the allotment08:19
Laneydid some digging and planting08:19
seb128it's still nice but their forecast rain from wednesday and like 13°C for the w.e08:19
seb128nice08:19
Laneyand then to a bbq, where it stormed about 5 minutes after we lit it08:19
seb128:-(08:19
Laneyso ended up inside08:19
Laneyand yesterday it was hot again so walked into town to have lunch at a cafe08:20
Laneybut yeah, looks like it is dead from tomorrow http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng508:21
pittihey Laney, good morning!08:31
davmor2Laney: you got arrested and sent to prison \o/ and they say our tax money doesn't pay for law and order......oh wait you just mean inside your house don't you ;)08:34
Laneydavmor2: I know which one serves the better food08:37
davmor2Laney: Prison right08:44
willcookeseb128, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76566408:52
ubot5Gnome bug 765664 in User Interface ".view style cannot be overridden by external CSS" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]08:52
seb128willcooke, great!08:53
willcookeseb128, I guess this means we have to back port a fix?  Or we could just use my "patch"?08:53
seb128willcooke, they included the fix in 3.20.2 it seems, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-calendar/log/?h=gnome-3-2008:54
seb128so we just need to SRU the update08:54
seb128I'm going to have a look to that today08:54
willcookeoh, nice one, thanks seb12808:54
seb128yw08:54
seb128thanks for following up on that08:54
willcookenw08:54
willcookeI /think/ that might also fix issues I've seen with progress bars08:54
willcookethe .view class is making things look wrong08:55
willcookei.e. progress bars are not filled in08:55
seb128in gnome-calendar you mean?08:56
seb128or the update-manager one08:56
seb128because that commit ^ is in gnome-calendar, it's not going to fix other softwares08:57
seb128they might have similar issues though08:57
seb128willcooke, btw working with the oem guys on the u-s-d issue, the segfault they hit seems to be bug #150375808:59
ubot5bug 1503758 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon:5:XIQueryDevice:xdevice_get_dimensions:input_info_find_size_match:get_mappable_output_info:do_touchscreen_mapping" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150375808:59
willcookeahhh, nice one, thanks seb12809:00
Laneyhey pitti (sorry, missed your message)!09:01
darkxsthey willcooke seb128 Laney09:35
seb128hey darkxst, how are you?09:36
darkxstseb128, good, though its been a crazy week, Ali just stormed off from Ubuntu GNOME09:36
seb128oh, waouh, why?09:36
darkxstwell there was some in-fighting between him and the marketing team, but I think the final straw was when I constructively criticized his UOS presentation09:38
seb128:-/09:39
darkxstand the earlier suggestions to simplify the convoluted mess he has made on the wiki and team structures09:39
darkxstthere are 180 wiki pages :(09:40
darkxstwillcooke, was there any updates on the gtk+ theme stuff for 3.20?09:41
darkxstI did browse through the adwaita changes, look like a shed load of search + Replace commits09:42
willcookedarkxst, no update.  Just "yeah, lots of work"09:42
seb128flexiondotorg said they might be able to help09:43
seb128their themes are derivated/close from ours and have been getting fixes09:43
seb128so we might be able to cherrypick/apply those to ours09:43
seb128though I'm not sure I understood the specifics of their themes, they have several variants and I'm unsure they fixed yet the ones derivated from ours09:43
darkxstseb128, I am not all up to date with what they are doing with regards to gtk3 themes09:46
seb128darkxst, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/06/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t15:00 for reference09:47
seb128lunch, bbiab09:47
darkxstseb128, right, doesnt sound like their themes are ported09:50
flexiondotorgseb128, willcooke darkxst Ubuntu MATE is transitioning MATE 1.14 to GTK3 in 16.10.09:51
flexiondotorgThis requires that we update Ambiant-MATE to fully support MATE in GTK3.09:52
flexiondotorgWe have going to first update Ambiant-MATE to GTK 3.18 and then to 3.20.09:52
darkxsthey flexiondotorg09:52
flexiondotorgFrom previous experience, this will take some weeks to complete and won't be started until after the Fedora 24 release.09:52
flexiondotorgBecause I'll be working with MATE Fedora maintainers on this.09:53
darkxstflexiondotorg, well there won't be a 3.20 transition until ubuntu themes are done09:53
darkxstyou say your patches will apply there also?09:54
flexiondotorgBut Ambiant-MATE is 99% the same as AMbiance. So once we've done the GTK 3.20 work, merging to Ambiant should be trivial.09:54
flexiondotorgI am happy to prepare a merge proposal for Ambiance.09:54
flexiondotorgAlthough I've been asked to prepare Ambiance merge proposal 3 times in the past and they were all rejected.09:55
flexiondotorgSo I'll be seeking agreement to proceed before I work on a merge proposal this time around :-)09:55
flexiondotorgLaney, seb128 Trevinho Ubuntu MATE added solid-csd support to Ambiant-MATE during 16.04.09:56
flexiondotorgIs this something you'd be interested in for light-themes?09:56
flexiondotorgI know there is a discussion about Compiz and GTK Frame Extents going on and not sure what path you're likely to take.09:57
darkxstflexiondotorg, part of the problem is with larsu left, no one experienced with theming on the -desktop team09:58
flexiondotorgI'm not experienced, but I know a man who is.09:59
flexiondotorgWolfgang Ulbrich, MATE developer, has a deep understanding of GTK theming and the difference between GTK version.09:59
darkxstflexiondotorg, sponsors don't just upload random code they don't understand, well they shouldnt10:00
flexiondotorgIt is Wolfgang who will be doing to heavy lifting on this. He is a  Fedora maintainer, which is why the start is delayed until after Fedora 24 is out.10:00
flexiondotorgWolfgang maintains all the upstream MATE themes. While I don't know all the intricacies and differences between theming GTK3 versions, I will be learning the ropes this cycle.10:01
andyrockMorning all10:03
seb128hey andyrock, how are you?11:31
ximionLaney: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+bug/1576780 would also be helpful :) - it's a low-priority bugfix, but one that's pretty helpful for 3rd-party rpo providers11:33
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1576780 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu) "Needs to implement the full DEP-11 icon spec for compatibility with 3rd-party repos" [Medium,Fix committed]11:33
Trevinhoflexiondotorg: I could have a look to that...11:34
Laneymmm11:34
LaneyI'm doing sponsoring tomorrow11:34
Laneyso will look then11:34
Trevinhoflexiondotorg: in case unity is running with its own decorations, we also add a class to the window (unity-csd), that could help you in ensuring that your css rules aren't applied when unity is running11:35
flexiondotorgTrevinho, Thanks.11:43
flexiondotorgAlthough, the solid-csd stuff is required in some cases. For example, running deja dup that is shipped with Ubuntu 16.04.11:44
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andyrockHey seb128... Sorry lunch time12:39
andyrockTired12:39
andyrockBusy weeken12:39
andyrockWeekend12:39
seb128andyrock, no worry, was the same for me (lunch)12:39
andyrockYou?12:39
seb128oh12:39
seb128too much party-ing? ;-)12:40
seb128I was a bit tired this morning but juice, coffee, some food and I'm better now12:40
andyrockStudying actually XD12:40
seb128I had a busy w.e as well, had to drove around to pick up furnitures and move those and it was quite warm12:40
andyrockIt s not fun when there are 20 degrees outside12:41
seb128yeah...12:42
seb128ximion, Laney, does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1562733/comments/12 makes sense to you?13:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1562733 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt signature requierements prevent updates from some repositories" [High,In progress]13:36
Laneyseb128: does it make sense in what way?14:06
Laneyif you're asking about the Post-Invoke bit, you should talk to ximion14:06
seb128Laney, sorry fail to understand the question14:06
seb128"it might make sense to move the hook from APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success to APT::Update::Post-Invoke so it runs even if the update errors"14:06
seb128I was asking if that makes sense to you14:07
seb128let me try to rephrase...14:07
seb128do you think the suggestion done there ^ is a logical one?14:07
seb128or something we should do14:07
LaneyI think two things14:13
seb128Laney, I guess you reply means you have no opinion on using Post-Invoke-Success vs Post-Invoke then, let's wait for ximion14:13
Laneything one is that ximion said there was some reason to not prefer it14:14
Laneything two is that it isn't actually as unconditional as it sounds14:14
LaneyE: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.14:14
Laneylaney@raleigh>                                                                                                                                                                                      ~14:14
LaneyI added an echo 'hello' in there14:14
Laneyno echo14:14
seb128using Post-Invoke?14:15
Laneyyes14:16
seb128k14:16
seb128Laney, thanks for the input, and sorry for the question not being clear and for being grumpy when you said so, I'm going to try to be more specific next time :-)14:17
LaneyI just didn't know which part of his reply you were asking about14:18
LaneyPost-Invoke works with W: but not E: AFAICT14:18
seb128Laney, sorry, I overlooked that the comment started with the apt fix merge ... I wouldn't have pinged you about that since it seems Julian is on it and I guess it would rather be a mvo/infinity thing to comment on14:19
seb128I should have asked on #ubuntu-devel14:24
seb128Laney, juliank confirms what you said14:24
Laneynp14:25
LaneyI commented on it14:25
seb128thanks14:26
Laneysorry my internet is shitting up14:31
LaneyI hope that launchpad is going to let me re-submit that comment14:33
Laneyoh it did work14:33
seb128it did yes14:33
mitya57larsu, hi, could you please take a look at bug 1502476? Looks like the patch to add menu on Unity broke it on many other desktops…14:57
ubot5bug 1502476 in totem (Ubuntu) "Totem menubar is displayed in fullscreen mode during gnome-flaskback session" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150247614:57
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larsumitya57: interesting case... there's nothing unity specific about this patch16:17
larsuall it does is enable a traditional menu bar16:17
larsuwhich unity pulls out into the global one16:17
larsubut other desktops don't16:18
larsuand there's no way to access the menu bar widget from totem, because gtk manages the menu16:18
larsudesrt: what do you think about this ^? Should totem unset "show-menubar" when it goes into fullscreen?16:19
larsuthat probably breaks the global menu, though16:19
willcookehey larsu :)16:26
larsuhi willcooke! How are you?16:26
willcookehot!!16:26
larsuI know that!16:26
larsu;)16:26
willcookeohhhhhh, you16:26
seb128hey larsu :-)16:31
seb128willcooke, well, at least your line didn't melt down like Laney's ;-)16:31
willcookeha!16:31
larsuhaha16:31
larsubon soir seb128!16:31
Laneyall those bits flowing16:31
seb128larsu, how are you? enjoy the sunny weather has well?16:32
seb128oh, Laney haz bits!16:32
larsuyes! Really really nice16:32
Laneyyeah I've been hiding16:32
larsuhi Laney!16:32
Laneytrying to make lightdm test mode work16:32
Laney#fail16:32
Laneyhey larsu!16:32
seb128:-/16:32
Laneywhat go16:32
larsuseb128: coreos is having a conference here and there are lots of nerds around :)16:33
seb128I though robert_ancell was keeping an eye on that16:33
seb128no cookie for him!16:33
seb128larsu, nice :-)16:33
Laneydoes it work for you?16:33
Laneylightdm --test-mode16:33
seb128no :-/16:36
seb128complains that it can't delete /var/lib/lightdm-data/lightdm16:36
seb128though that doesn't seem to be what makes it fail16:38
seb128the greeter segfaults?16:38
seb128it says it sig16:38
seb128sig1116:38
seb128so yeah, bad robert_ancell, no cookie!16:39
LaneyI see that too16:39
* larsu quietly hands robert_ancell a cookie16:39
* Laney has a .crash16:39
larsu(but don't tell seb!)16:39
Laney#0  0x00007ffa84b7fd16 in strlen () at ../sysdeps/x86_64/strlen.S:10616:40
Laney#1  0x00007ffa831d4204 in keyring_daemon_op (pwd=pwd@entry=0x7ffa84ebade0 <resbuf>, addr=addr@entry=0x7ffd01e905d0, op=op@entry=1, argc=argc@entry=1, argv=argv@entry=0x7ffd01e90990) at pam/gkr-pam-client.c:33616:40
Laney#2  0x00007ffa831d47c8 in gkr_pam_client_run_operation (pwd=pwd@entry=0x7ffa84ebade0 <resbuf>, control=<optimised out>, op=op@entry=1, argc=argc@entry=1, argv=argv@entry=0x7ffd01e90990) at pam/gkr-pam-client.c:42816:40
Laney#3  0x00007ffa831d587b in unlock_keyring (ph=<optimised out>, pwd=0x7ffa84ebade0 <resbuf>, password=0x0, need_daemon=0x7ffd01e909d4) at pam/gkr-pam-module.c:64316:40
larsuLaney's password is 0x0!16:41
Laneyhax!16:41
Laneyok I fixed that, easy17:18
Laneysee you!17:18
willcookesee ya Laney17:20
willcookesheesh, Chrome just noms alllllll the GBs17:21
davmor2larsu: no it's pi and who knew it ended well done Laney on that one :D17:22
davmor2willcooke: so does chromium and firefox although FF likes to eat you cpu too :D17:22
willcookeChromium wasn't as bad as this IMO17:23
willcookehaving to use Chrome beacuse my sign in is broken for me17:23
davmor2willcooke: no idea why it would work in one but not another unless you url cache got corrupted maybe, were you using 2 ids maybe?17:26
willcookegnight gang19:01
qenghoHi hi. I found a Pandaboard on my bookshelf yesterday. I'm interested in putting some contemporary Ubuntu on it. I found some installer files, but the docs are pretty sparse and/or wrong. I'm technical and accustomed to other architectures. Help?19:19
qenghohttp://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/xenial/main/installer-armhf/current/images/generic/netboot/pandaboard/19:19
qenghoThat has two "img"s. One MLO. Some uImage and uInitrd. I suspect some of those are published, yet used to generate some larger IMG files, and why published is a mystery to me.19:21
qenghoI tried DDing the boot.img-fb to a SD card. No boot.19:22
sarnoldqengho: my pandaboard is currently running precise; I installed using the omap4 preinstalled desktop image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/19:25
sarnoldqengho: .. one of these days I'm going to do-release-upgrade the thing19:25
sarnoldqengho: if you can't find any better docs, that route may work out alright19:26
flocculantsarnold qengho : I had precise on one a while back, I did manage to get it upgraded iirc19:27
flocculant(don't use it now)19:27
qenghosarnold: This most specific, accurate species "OMAP4"?19:28
qenghoEr, IS this the most...19:28
sarnoldqengho: I've forgotten much of what I used to know -- I -think- that "omap4" describes all the pandaboards. I have a pandaboard ES. I can't remember if that "ES" is an important detail now :)19:29
qenghoPandaBoard ES Rev. B2, which has "OMAP4460" processor.19:30
qengho4460 // 1000 == 419:30
* qengho shrugs.19:30
qenghoOkay. Trying it.19:30
mitya57larsu, I hate suggesting that, but maybe wrap some code in that patch to if (unity) { ... }?19:37
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