[06:26] <pitti> Good morning
[06:34] <seb128> hey pitti! had a good trip back? enjoyed the sunny sunday & recovered from the week?
[06:34] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:36] <pitti> seb128: indeed I did! we spent the entire Sunday outside; watching the canoo & kajak international contest on the wild water canal, I played basketball outside, did some gardening, and we re-coated our patio furniture
[06:36] <pitti> seb128: almost no jetlag problems this time, sun helps :)
[06:36] <pitti> I think I by and large figured this out
[06:37] <seb128> great :-)
[06:38] <pitti> seb128: et toi, as-tu eu un bon week-end aussi ?
[06:38] <seb128> oui, plutôt bon
[06:39] <seb128> we were in the North of France, spending the w.e and picking up some fournitures, was quite sunny&warm
[06:40] <seb128> bah, just looked at the forecast
[06:40] <seb128> rainy started on wednesday and like 13°C next w.e
[06:40] <seb128> starting
[06:41]  * seb128 needs to go play tennis tonight while it's still nice
[06:41] <pitti> seb128: oh, I had assumed you had some fixed times in the week for tennis
[06:42] <pitti> seb128: is your partner flexible as well, or do you just play with whoever happens to be on the court?
[06:42] <seb128> I've fixed times from training
[06:42] <duflu> pitti: Morning.... and question: How to I find out the error report ID of a crash just submitted?
[06:42] <duflu> I get no URL information. Just .uploaded added
[06:42] <seb128> but then I know some people who like to play one or two time a week and are flexible on the days
[06:43] <seb128> we usually play at 7pm or 8pm
[06:43] <seb128> hey duflu
[06:43] <duflu> Morning seb128
[06:44] <seb128> duflu, you have a link to your reported issues in unity-control-center -> privacy
[06:44] <seb128> duflu, or you can open 'http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/'$(printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) | sha512sum)
[06:44] <pitti> duflu: in control center's "security & privacy" (or similar) -> Diagnosis you have a "show earlier reports"
[06:44] <pitti> this leads you to the URL that seb128 mentioned
[06:44] <duflu> Sweet, thanks seb128 + pitti
[06:44] <seb128> yw!
[06:44] <pitti> that page became a whole lot more useful during the error tracker sprint
[06:45] <seb128> pitti, oh, nice, I didn't visit for a while
[06:45] <seb128> good work :-)
[06:59] <happyaron> seb128: https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6404038/+listing-archive-extra
[06:59] <seb128> hey happyaron! how are you?
[06:59] <happyaron> but not quite sure about the version to use, in 16.10 there's -1build1
[06:59] <happyaron> great, :)
[07:00] <seb128> happyaron, thanks, going to have a look to that today
[07:00] <seb128> the version you used looks good
[07:00] <Sweet5hark> moin
[07:00] <seb128> also did you see the n-m bug I assigned you? we might want to cherry pack that specific patch
[07:00] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, wie gehts?
[07:01] <happyaron> seb128: yes I've read that
[07:01] <Sweet5hark> Im fine, how about you?
[07:02] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[07:29] <seb128> going to grab some coffee outside, bbiab
[07:34]  * duflu seconds that
[07:46] <desrt> hello desktop!
[07:46]  * desrt is back from the mosel
[07:50] <pitti> hey desrt!
[07:51] <desrt> hello pitti
[07:51] <desrt> your country is pretty
[07:51] <pitti> desrt: some parts are indeed, the Mosel region for sure is
[07:51] <pitti> desrt: did you get enough wine? :-)
[07:51] <desrt> bleh
[07:51] <desrt> i don't need to drink for another week, i think
[07:52] <desrt> although i also brought many bottles with me :)
[08:03] <Laney> morning!
[08:04] <flexiondotorg> Morning.
[08:04] <Laney> haha
[08:04]  * Laney pictures a stern flexiondotorg sitting behind a desk
[08:05] <willcooke> morning all
[08:05]  * flexiondotorg is not feeling stern :-)
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> But does need some advice.
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> Debian is now GTK 3.20.
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu 16.10 is currently 3.18.
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> I've packages mate-themes 3.20 for Debian.
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> But obviously don't want those to sync to Ubuntu, just yet.
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> How can I version/name mate-themes in Ubuntu to prevent the Debian sync replacing them?
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> Just add -0ubuntu1 suffix, or something else?
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 Any suggestions? ^^^
[08:07] <Laney> It won't sync if there's 'ubuntu' in the version string
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> OK. Perfect.
[08:16] <seb128> hey desrt Laney willcooke flexiondotorg
[08:16] <desrt> moin, seb
[08:16] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:16] <seb128> flexiondotorg, what laney said
[08:17] <seb128> things are autosynced only when they are exact copies
[08:17] <seb128> if there is a local diff it needs to be manually handled
[08:17] <Laney> sort of, it determines it by version
[08:17] <Laney> so if you do 'buildX' then it will be overwritten
[08:17] <Laney> even if it wasn't actually a rebuild
[08:18] <Laney> hi seb128!
[08:18] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:18] <seb128> right
[08:18] <seb128> sorry should have been more specific ;-)
[08:18] <Laney> good weekend?
[08:18] <seb128> Laney, had a good w.e?
[08:18] <Laney> heh
[08:19] <seb128> quite, though we had to pick furnitures and drive around with those
[08:19] <Laney> summer arrived all at once
[08:19] <seb128> would have prefered to spend that time enjoying the sun
[08:19] <seb128> yeah
[08:19] <seb128> here it came
[08:19] <seb128> but it's going away
[08:19] <Laney> we went to the allotment
[08:19] <Laney> did some digging and planting
[08:19] <seb128> it's still nice but their forecast rain from wednesday and like 13°C for the w.e
[08:19] <seb128> nice
[08:19] <Laney> and then to a bbq, where it stormed about 5 minutes after we lit it
[08:19] <seb128> :-(
[08:19] <Laney> so ended up inside
[08:20] <Laney> and yesterday it was hot again so walked into town to have lunch at a cafe
[08:21] <Laney> but yeah, looks like it is dead from tomorrow http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[08:31] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning!
[08:34] <davmor2> Laney: you got arrested and sent to prison \o/ and they say our tax money doesn't pay for law and order......oh wait you just mean inside your house don't you ;)
[08:37] <Laney> davmor2: I know which one serves the better food
[08:44] <davmor2> Laney: Prison right
[08:52] <willcooke> seb128, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765664
[08:53] <seb128> willcooke, great!
[08:53] <willcooke> seb128, I guess this means we have to back port a fix?  Or we could just use my "patch"?
[08:54] <seb128> willcooke, they included the fix in 3.20.2 it seems, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-calendar/log/?h=gnome-3-20
[08:54] <seb128> so we just need to SRU the update
[08:54] <seb128> I'm going to have a look to that today
[08:54] <willcooke> oh, nice one, thanks seb128
[08:54] <seb128> yw
[08:54] <seb128> thanks for following up on that
[08:54] <willcooke> nw
[08:54] <willcooke> I /think/ that might also fix issues I've seen with progress bars
[08:55] <willcooke> the .view class is making things look wrong
[08:55] <willcooke> i.e. progress bars are not filled in
[08:56] <seb128> in gnome-calendar you mean?
[08:56] <seb128> or the update-manager one
[08:57] <seb128> because that commit ^ is in gnome-calendar, it's not going to fix other softwares
[08:57] <seb128> they might have similar issues though
[08:59] <seb128> willcooke, btw working with the oem guys on the u-s-d issue, the segfault they hit seems to be bug #1503758
[09:00] <willcooke> ahhh, nice one, thanks seb128
[09:01] <Laney> hey pitti (sorry, missed your message)!
[09:35] <darkxst> hey willcooke seb128 Laney
[09:36] <seb128> hey darkxst, how are you?
[09:36] <darkxst> seb128, good, though its been a crazy week, Ali just stormed off from Ubuntu GNOME
[09:36] <seb128> oh, waouh, why?
[09:38] <darkxst> well there was some in-fighting between him and the marketing team, but I think the final straw was when I constructively criticized his UOS presentation
[09:39] <seb128> :-/
[09:39] <darkxst> and the earlier suggestions to simplify the convoluted mess he has made on the wiki and team structures
[09:40] <darkxst> there are 180 wiki pages :(
[09:41] <darkxst> willcooke, was there any updates on the gtk+ theme stuff for 3.20?
[09:42] <darkxst> I did browse through the adwaita changes, look like a shed load of search + Replace commits
[09:42] <willcooke> darkxst, no update.  Just "yeah, lots of work"
[09:43] <seb128> flexiondotorg said they might be able to help
[09:43] <seb128> their themes are derivated/close from ours and have been getting fixes
[09:43] <seb128> so we might be able to cherrypick/apply those to ours
[09:43] <seb128> though I'm not sure I understood the specifics of their themes, they have several variants and I'm unsure they fixed yet the ones derivated from ours
[09:46] <darkxst> seb128, I am not all up to date with what they are doing with regards to gtk3 themes
[09:47] <seb128> darkxst, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/06/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t15:00 for reference
[09:47] <seb128> lunch, bbiab
[09:50] <darkxst> seb128, right, doesnt sound like their themes are ported
[09:51] <flexiondotorg> seb128, willcooke darkxst Ubuntu MATE is transitioning MATE 1.14 to GTK3 in 16.10.
[09:52] <flexiondotorg> This requires that we update Ambiant-MATE to fully support MATE in GTK3.
[09:52] <flexiondotorg> We have going to first update Ambiant-MATE to GTK 3.18 and then to 3.20.
[09:52] <darkxst> hey flexiondotorg
[09:52] <flexiondotorg> From previous experience, this will take some weeks to complete and won't be started until after the Fedora 24 release.
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> Because I'll be working with MATE Fedora maintainers on this.
[09:53] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, well there won't be a 3.20 transition until ubuntu themes are done
[09:54] <darkxst> you say your patches will apply there also?
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> But Ambiant-MATE is 99% the same as AMbiance. So once we've done the GTK 3.20 work, merging to Ambiant should be trivial.
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> I am happy to prepare a merge proposal for Ambiance.
[09:55] <flexiondotorg> Although I've been asked to prepare Ambiance merge proposal 3 times in the past and they were all rejected.
[09:55] <flexiondotorg> So I'll be seeking agreement to proceed before I work on a merge proposal this time around :-)
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 Trevinho Ubuntu MATE added solid-csd support to Ambiant-MATE during 16.04.
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> Is this something you'd be interested in for light-themes?
[09:57] <flexiondotorg> I know there is a discussion about Compiz and GTK Frame Extents going on and not sure what path you're likely to take.
[09:58] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, part of the problem is with larsu left, no one experienced with theming on the -desktop team
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> I'm not experienced, but I know a man who is.
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> Wolfgang Ulbrich, MATE developer, has a deep understanding of GTK theming and the difference between GTK version.
[10:00] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, sponsors don't just upload random code they don't understand, well they shouldnt
[10:00] <flexiondotorg> It is Wolfgang who will be doing to heavy lifting on this. He is a  Fedora maintainer, which is why the start is delayed until after Fedora 24 is out.
[10:01] <flexiondotorg> Wolfgang maintains all the upstream MATE themes. While I don't know all the intricacies and differences between theming GTK3 versions, I will be learning the ropes this cycle.
[10:03] <andyrock> Morning all
[11:31] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[11:33] <ximion> Laney: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+bug/1576780 would also be helpful :) - it's a low-priority bugfix, but one that's pretty helpful for 3rd-party rpo providers
[11:34] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: I could have a look to that...
[11:34] <Laney> mmm
[11:34] <Laney> I'm doing sponsoring tomorrow
[11:34] <Laney> so will look then
[11:35] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: in case unity is running with its own decorations, we also add a class to the window (unity-csd), that could help you in ensuring that your css rules aren't applied when unity is running
[11:43] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, Thanks.
[11:44] <flexiondotorg> Although, the solid-csd stuff is required in some cases. For example, running deja dup that is shipped with Ubuntu 16.04.
[12:39] <andyrock> Hey seb128... Sorry lunch time
[12:39] <andyrock> Tired
[12:39] <andyrock> Busy weeken
[12:39] <andyrock> Weekend
[12:39] <seb128> andyrock, no worry, was the same for me (lunch)
[12:39] <andyrock> You?
[12:39] <seb128> oh
[12:40] <seb128> too much party-ing? ;-)
[12:40] <seb128> I was a bit tired this morning but juice, coffee, some food and I'm better now
[12:40] <andyrock> Studying actually XD
[12:40] <seb128> I had a busy w.e as well, had to drove around to pick up furnitures and move those and it was quite warm
[12:41] <andyrock> It s not fun when there are 20 degrees outside
[12:42] <seb128> yeah...
[13:36] <seb128> ximion, Laney, does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1562733/comments/12 makes sense to you?
[14:06] <Laney> seb128: does it make sense in what way?
[14:06] <Laney> if you're asking about the Post-Invoke bit, you should talk to ximion
[14:06] <seb128> Laney, sorry fail to understand the question
[14:06] <seb128> "it might make sense to move the hook from APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success to APT::Update::Post-Invoke so it runs even if the update errors"
[14:07] <seb128> I was asking if that makes sense to you
[14:07] <seb128> let me try to rephrase...
[14:07] <seb128> do you think the suggestion done there ^ is a logical one?
[14:07] <seb128> or something we should do
[14:13] <Laney> I think two things
[14:13] <seb128> Laney, I guess you reply means you have no opinion on using Post-Invoke-Success vs Post-Invoke then, let's wait for ximion
[14:14] <Laney> thing one is that ximion said there was some reason to not prefer it
[14:14] <Laney> thing two is that it isn't actually as unconditional as it sounds
[14:14] <Laney> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[14:14] <Laney> laney@raleigh>                                                                                                                                                                                      ~
[14:14] <Laney> I added an echo 'hello' in there
[14:14] <Laney> no echo
[14:15] <seb128> using Post-Invoke?
[14:16] <Laney> yes
[14:16] <seb128> k
[14:17] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the input, and sorry for the question not being clear and for being grumpy when you said so, I'm going to try to be more specific next time :-)
[14:18] <Laney> I just didn't know which part of his reply you were asking about
[14:18] <Laney> Post-Invoke works with W: but not E: AFAICT
[14:19] <seb128> Laney, sorry, I overlooked that the comment started with the apt fix merge ... I wouldn't have pinged you about that since it seems Julian is on it and I guess it would rather be a mvo/infinity thing to comment on
[14:24] <seb128> I should have asked on #ubuntu-devel
[14:24] <seb128> Laney, juliank confirms what you said
[14:25] <Laney> np
[14:25] <Laney> I commented on it
[14:26] <seb128> thanks
[14:31] <Laney> sorry my internet is shitting up
[14:33] <Laney> I hope that launchpad is going to let me re-submit that comment
[14:33] <Laney> oh it did work
[14:33] <seb128> it did yes
[14:57] <mitya57> larsu, hi, could you please take a look at bug 1502476? Looks like the patch to add menu on Unity broke it on many other desktops…
[16:17] <larsu> mitya57: interesting case... there's nothing unity specific about this patch
[16:17] <larsu> all it does is enable a traditional menu bar
[16:17] <larsu> which unity pulls out into the global one
[16:18] <larsu> but other desktops don't
[16:18] <larsu> and there's no way to access the menu bar widget from totem, because gtk manages the menu
[16:19] <larsu> desrt: what do you think about this ^? Should totem unset "show-menubar" when it goes into fullscreen?
[16:19] <larsu> that probably breaks the global menu, though
[16:26] <willcooke> hey larsu :)
[16:26] <larsu> hi willcooke! How are you?
[16:26] <willcooke> hot!!
[16:26] <larsu> I know that!
[16:26] <larsu> ;)
[16:26] <willcooke> ohhhhhh, you
[16:31] <seb128> hey larsu :-)
[16:31] <seb128> willcooke, well, at least your line didn't melt down like Laney's ;-)
[16:31] <willcooke> ha!
[16:31] <larsu> haha
[16:31] <larsu> bon soir seb128!
[16:31] <Laney> all those bits flowing
[16:32] <seb128> larsu, how are you? enjoy the sunny weather has well?
[16:32] <seb128> oh, Laney haz bits!
[16:32] <larsu> yes! Really really nice
[16:32] <Laney> yeah I've been hiding
[16:32] <larsu> hi Laney!
[16:32] <Laney> trying to make lightdm test mode work
[16:32] <Laney> #fail
[16:32] <Laney> hey larsu!
[16:32] <seb128> :-/
[16:32] <Laney> what go
[16:33] <larsu> seb128: coreos is having a conference here and there are lots of nerds around :)
[16:33] <seb128> I though robert_ancell was keeping an eye on that
[16:33] <seb128> no cookie for him!
[16:33] <seb128> larsu, nice :-)
[16:33] <Laney> does it work for you?
[16:33] <Laney> lightdm --test-mode
[16:36] <seb128> no :-/
[16:36] <seb128> complains that it can't delete /var/lib/lightdm-data/lightdm
[16:38] <seb128> though that doesn't seem to be what makes it fail
[16:38] <seb128> the greeter segfaults?
[16:38] <seb128> it says it sig
[16:38] <seb128> sig11
[16:39] <seb128> so yeah, bad robert_ancell, no cookie!
[16:39] <Laney> I see that too
[16:39]  * larsu quietly hands robert_ancell a cookie
[16:39]  * Laney has a .crash
[16:39] <larsu> (but don't tell seb!)
[16:40] <Laney> #0  0x00007ffa84b7fd16 in strlen () at ../sysdeps/x86_64/strlen.S:106
[16:40] <Laney> #1  0x00007ffa831d4204 in keyring_daemon_op (pwd=pwd@entry=0x7ffa84ebade0 <resbuf>, addr=addr@entry=0x7ffd01e905d0, op=op@entry=1, argc=argc@entry=1, argv=argv@entry=0x7ffd01e90990) at pam/gkr-pam-client.c:336
[16:40] <Laney> #2  0x00007ffa831d47c8 in gkr_pam_client_run_operation (pwd=pwd@entry=0x7ffa84ebade0 <resbuf>, control=<optimised out>, op=op@entry=1, argc=argc@entry=1, argv=argv@entry=0x7ffd01e90990) at pam/gkr-pam-client.c:428
[16:40] <Laney> #3  0x00007ffa831d587b in unlock_keyring (ph=<optimised out>, pwd=0x7ffa84ebade0 <resbuf>, password=0x0, need_daemon=0x7ffd01e909d4) at pam/gkr-pam-module.c:643
[16:41] <larsu> Laney's password is 0x0!
[16:41] <Laney> hax!
[17:18] <Laney> ok I fixed that, easy
[17:18] <Laney> see you!
[17:20] <willcooke> see ya Laney
[17:21] <willcooke> sheesh, Chrome just noms alllllll the GBs
[17:22] <davmor2> larsu: no it's pi and who knew it ended well done Laney on that one :D
[17:22] <davmor2> willcooke: so does chromium and firefox although FF likes to eat you cpu too :D
[17:23] <willcooke> Chromium wasn't as bad as this IMO
[17:23] <willcooke> having to use Chrome beacuse my sign in is broken for me
[17:26] <davmor2> willcooke: no idea why it would work in one but not another unless you url cache got corrupted maybe, were you using 2 ids maybe?
[19:01] <willcooke> gnight gang
[19:19] <qengho> Hi hi. I found a Pandaboard on my bookshelf yesterday. I'm interested in putting some contemporary Ubuntu on it. I found some installer files, but the docs are pretty sparse and/or wrong. I'm technical and accustomed to other architectures. Help?
[19:19] <qengho> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/xenial/main/installer-armhf/current/images/generic/netboot/pandaboard/
[19:21] <qengho> That has two "img"s. One MLO. Some uImage and uInitrd. I suspect some of those are published, yet used to generate some larger IMG files, and why published is a mystery to me.
[19:22] <qengho> I tried DDing the boot.img-fb to a SD card. No boot.
[19:25] <sarnold> qengho: my pandaboard is currently running precise; I installed using the omap4 preinstalled desktop image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[19:25] <sarnold> qengho: .. one of these days I'm going to do-release-upgrade the thing
[19:26] <sarnold> qengho: if you can't find any better docs, that route may work out alright
[19:27] <flocculant> sarnold qengho : I had precise on one a while back, I did manage to get it upgraded iirc
[19:27] <flocculant> (don't use it now)
[19:28] <qengho> sarnold: This most specific, accurate species "OMAP4"?
[19:28] <qengho> Er, IS this the most...
[19:29] <sarnold> qengho: I've forgotten much of what I used to know -- I -think- that "omap4" describes all the pandaboards. I have a pandaboard ES. I can't remember if that "ES" is an important detail now :)
[19:30] <qengho> PandaBoard ES Rev. B2, which has "OMAP4460" processor.
[19:30] <qengho> 4460 // 1000 == 4
[19:30]  * qengho shrugs.
[19:30] <qengho> Okay. Trying it.
[19:37] <mitya57> larsu, I hate suggesting that, but maybe wrap some code in that patch to if (unity) { ... }?