[11:18] <ahoneybun> wxl is there a LoCo meeting tomorrow
[11:18] <ahoneybun> ?
[14:06] <psusi> isn't it time for the developer membership board meeeting?
[14:43] <Laney> psusi: in 17 minutes
[14:43] <Laney> date -u is your friend
[14:44] <psusi> I asked google and it said EST is GMT-5... probably doesn't account for stupid daylight savings time
[14:44] <BenC> EST is currently GMT-4, if that helps
[14:45] <psusi> I figured
[14:45] <psusi> I know it bounces back and forth between -4 and -5, just can never remember when we're on each
[14:45] <psusi> daylight savings drives me nuts
[14:46] <BenC> You leave my wandering hour of sleep vs sunlight alone, sir.
[15:00] <BenC> Good morning/afternoon/evening
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <rbasak> o/
[15:01] <bdmurray> o/
[15:01] <BenC> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May  9 15:01:23 2016 UTC.  The chair is BenC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <BenC> I’m going to be a little slow getting started. First time using meetingology
[15:02] <cyphermox> no worries
[15:02] <BenC> I see 4 present, including myself.
[15:02] <BenC> 5
[15:03] <BenC> Guess that’s enough to get started
[15:03] <BenC> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:03] <BenC> infinity: If you’re here...
[15:04] <BenC> I believe membership changes were done.
[15:04] <BenC> Can anyone else confirm?
[15:04] <sil2100> I updated the agenda last week since it was a bit chaotic
[15:04] <rbasak> I think lamont had some suggestions for us in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-May/000922.html in relation to this?
[15:04] <rbasak> Sorry, I meant Laney.
[15:04] <BenC> rbasak: I saw that as well
[15:05] <cyphermox> I don't think that has been done, but you can add an action for me to fix this
[15:05] <lamont> whew
[15:05] <BenC> I’m guessing no one has done that changes. Anyone want to volunteer to take care of them?
[15:05] <cyphermox> o/
[15:05] <rbasak> Thanks cyphermox
[15:05] <BenC> #action cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Lane’s suggestions
[15:05] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Lane’s suggestions
[15:06] <rbasak> flexiondotorg: FYI ^. AIUI, this won't affect your actual uploadaccess.
[15:06] <BenC> Basically a house keeping action, right?
[15:06] <rbasak> I believe so, yes. Paves the way for more MATE uploaders.
[15:07] <Laney> Well
[15:07] <Laney> The other half of it was that you should merge my branch and make it an automatically generated set
[15:07] <rbasak> I think there is a question for flexiondotorg here though.
[15:07] <Laney> that's how flavour ones normally work
[15:07] <Laney> but up to you of course
[15:07] <rbasak> Does he want to seed those packages that Laney mentioned?
[15:07] <rbasak> Laney: ah, I assumed BenC's action covered your entire email.
[15:08] <Laney> Maybe so
[15:08] <BenC> I had assumed that as well
[15:08] <flexiondotorg> I can answer questions if need be.
[15:08] <Laney> OK, I think that the second part is housekeeping but the first part not
[15:08] <Laney> no bother if you want to define it differently :)
[15:08]  * Laney goes away
[15:08] <rbasak> flexiondotorg: are you happy to seed the packages Laney mentioned?
[15:08] <BenC> Thanks, Laney
[15:09] <BenC> flexiondotorg: It’s in the devel-permissions email in the above URL
[15:09] <flexiondotorg> Ummm, do you mean the expanded packages I requested PPU for?
[15:09]  * flexiondotorg reads...
[15:09] <flexiondotorg>   caja-actions
[15:09] <flexiondotorg>   caja-dropbox
[15:09] <flexiondotorg>   mate-accountsdialog
[15:09] <flexiondotorg>   mate-common
[15:09] <flexiondotorg>   mate-user-share
[15:10] <flexiondotorg> So, The above are not seeded.
[15:10] <rbasak> I think so, yes. Because then we'll make it an automatically managed packageset instead. So rather than individual PPU, you'd be able to upload MATE-seeded stuff that isn't seeded elsewhere.
[15:10] <rbasak> (I think)
[15:10] <flexiondotorg> But are part of the MATE packageset in the Debian pkg-mate team.
[15:10] <flexiondotorg> I would like to be able to upload fixes for those packages.
[15:11] <rbasak> The suggestion is that you do seed them.
[15:11] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: indeed, they should be in the mate supported seed, probably. we can discuss this after the meeting, but it's very much a jfdi thing
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> If by seed, you mean, include in the images.
[15:11] <cyphermox> not really
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> Then no, I don't want to seed them.
[15:11] <rbasak> They don't have to be in the images.
[15:11] <cyphermox> they will be in a seed that doesn't make it into the images :)
[15:11] <rbasak> You can seed them in a "supported" seed which basically means that you claim support for them but without them being in the images.
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> OK, then yes :-)
[15:11] <rbasak> Great, thanks :)
[15:12] <flexiondotorg> If those packages go in a seed that is not part of the images, that is fine with me.
[15:12] <BenC> Ok, so I think we’re in agreement that the action stands and the suggestions in Laney’s email will be performed.
[15:13] <BenC> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:13] <BenC> #subtopic Martin Wimpress / Ubuntu MATE Packages
[15:13] <BenC> I think this is sort of done, right?
[15:13] <rbasak> I think this is moot now then? I do have another question but I'll take it up with flexiondotorg in #ubuntu-devel.
[15:14] <BenC> #agreed Martin Wimpress / MATE Packages already handled.
[15:14] <BenC> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[15:14] <BenC> #subtopic Phillip Susi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication2
[15:14] <psusi> o/
[15:14] <sil2100> o/
[15:14] <rbasak> Hi psusi
[15:14] <sil2100> Hello
[15:15] <rbasak> We deferred you last time because you weren't online and we didn't see any endorsements.
[15:15] <BenC> psusi: Thanks for joingin. Care to give us some background and information you’d like to say?
[15:15] <psusi> well, I have been using Ubunutu since 6.06 was in development... and now I feel old...
[15:15] <rbasak> psusi: I see that you're still missing endorsements. Do you need more time?
[15:15] <BenC> Yeah, noticing that as well.
[15:15] <psusi> I do a ton of bug triaging, and fix bugs whenever I can, though my time for that has been a bit limited lately due to busy schedule at work and a second kiddo at the end of last year
[15:16] <psusi> I've been a contributing developer for a few years now and decided it's time to stop pestering others to upload for me
[15:17] <psusi> not sure about the endorsements... I've been askiing in -devel every now and then for a good 5 months now
[15:17] <psusi> I'm also the upstream develeoper for GNU parted, and contribute to upstream gparted, and am the debian maintainer for gparted
[15:18] <BenC> I see you focus mainly on partition/disk/bootloader type packages. Is there any reason not to do per-package upload permissions instead of coredev?
[15:19] <psusi> my attention sometimes wanders ;)
[15:19] <psusi> but I suppose that would probably cover most of my work, yes
[15:20] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/~psusi/+uploaded-packages says that your last sponsored upload was in 2014?
[15:21] <psusi> wow... I guess lately I've been getting more of them in thorugh Debian
[15:21] <psusi> though I have at least one upload that has been waiting for sponsorship for months... a fix go grub to finally use dpkg-triggers for update-grub
[15:22] <BenC> The grub spam on my screen during some apt operations would agree to that being a good feature…
[15:22] <rbasak> Is that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250109?
[15:22] <sil2100> http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=*Susi*&sponsoree_search=name <- it seems there was one more in 2015
[15:24] <psusi> I try to keep gparted just auto syncing from debian as I'm the dm there so I just upload there and let it auto sync to ubuntu
[15:25] <psusi> of course, during debian freeze, that can be a bit problematic when I want to update ubuntu for its release schedule
[15:26] <BenC> Anyone have any other questions or comments for psusi?
[15:26] <rbasak> o/
[15:26] <rbasak> > that can e a bit problematic
[15:26] <rbasak> Can you give us a recent example?
[15:27] <psusi> hrm... I don't recall exactly what it was now, but the last time debian had a freeze ( which has been some time now ), there was a crash bug fix of some sort that I wanted to get into Ubuntu
[15:27] <psusi> let me check the change log
[15:28] <psusi> pretty sure I ended up just filing a sync request bug and having someone else sync from debian experimental
[15:29] <psusi> after uploading it there
[15:29] <BenC> psusi: Thanks for answering our questions.
[15:29] <BenC> If there’s nothing further, I’ll call for a vote…
[15:30] <BenC> #vote Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev
[15:30] <meetingology> Please vote on: Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev
[15:30] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:30] <BenC> -1
[15:30] <meetingology> -1 received from BenC
[15:30] <rbasak> -1
[15:30] <meetingology> -1 received from rbasak
[15:30] <sil2100> +0
[15:30] <meetingology> +0 received from sil2100
[15:31] <cyphermox> -1, there are no endorsements, not much in terms of recent uploads; we really ought to gate core-dev on someone actively needing the permissions / wasting reviewers' time with perfect uploads.
[15:31] <meetingology> -1, there are no endorsements, not much in terms of recent uploads; we really ought to gate core-dev on someone actively needing the permissions / wasting reviewers' time with perfect uploads. received from cyphermox
[15:31] <bdmurray> +0
[15:31] <meetingology> +0 received from bdmurray
[15:31] <rbasak> I don't think it's appropriate to grant upload access without any endorsements from fellow developers.
[15:31] <BenC> #endvote
[15:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev
[15:31] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:2
[15:31] <meetingology> Motion denied
[15:31] <BenC> psusi: I suggest applying for per-package, and getting some endorsements as well.
[15:32] <sil2100> I must agree with cyphermox here a bit, even though I see that the uploads you did were fairly good, I didn't also see any more challenging uploads set for sponsoring
[15:32] <BenC> Thanks for your time and contributions, they are definitely appreciated.
[15:32] <psusi> guess I need to pester cjwatson some more... he sponsored me for contrib back when I didn't feel comfortable enough to have core
[15:32] <rbasak> I'd also like to see a demonstrated need for upload access.
[15:32] <rbasak> Especially for core dev.
[15:32] <psusi> ppu might work also
[15:33] <cyphermox> sil2100: it's not just the challenge level, but showing that one can do unsupervised upload to any part of the archive, etc.
[15:33] <BenC> Ok, moving on
[15:33] <BenC> #topic AOB
[15:33] <cyphermox> sil2100: so as we discussed last week, "X is wasting reviewers' time by asking for sponsoring for otherwise perfect uploads" is a great gate for core-dev access
[15:33] <BenC> Anything from any one?
[15:34] <sil2100> I would also really recommend PPU right now
[15:34] <cyphermox> BenC: nothing from me
[15:34] <sil2100> cyphermox: right
[15:34]  * sil2100 is good
[15:34] <BenC> Ok
[15:34] <BenC> #endmeeting
[15:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May  9 15:34:43 2016 UTC.
[15:34] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-09-15.01.moin.txt
[15:34] <BenC> Thanks everybody. See you all in two weeks!
[15:35] <psusi> o/
[15:35] <sil2100> BenC: thanks for chairing! First time but really pro
[15:35] <BenC> Thanks!
[15:35] <sil2100> o/
[16:30] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:30] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:30] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May  9 16:30:33 2016 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:30] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:30] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:31] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:32] <jdstrand> Thanks to Otto Kekäläinen for his help on security updates for the community supported mariadb-5.5 last week. Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:32] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:33] <jdstrand> this week, I'll be working on Touch bluetooth policy, pull requests for new snappy interfaces, landing seccomp arg filtering depending on MP feedback and policy recompiled on snappy for apparmor upgrades
[16:34] <jdstrand> the snappy team is sprinting this week and I'll help as needed with that
[16:34] <jdstrand> I'll work on the docker interface for snappy as have time
[16:35] <jdstrand> fyi, tyhicks is sprinting with the snappy team and may not attend. let's skip him for now but if he shows up give him the floor
[16:35] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage and community this week
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm about to release some openssh updates
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm on patch piloting duty tomorrow
[16:35] <mdeslaur> and I have another samba regression to take care of
[16:36] <mdeslaur> that's about it, perhaps I'll get lucky and will have time to look at some other updates this week
[16:36] <mdeslaur> sbeattie, you're up
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'll have some USNs to write for kernel updates in the next day or so
[16:37] <sbeattie> I need to finish up testing the libc updates
[16:37] <sbeattie> I'm working with do ko on getting an updated gcc-4.8 into the trusty-security pocket
[16:38] <sbeattie> oh, and I have an openjdk-6 update to do.
[16:38] <jdstrand> sbeattie: that's a sponsored openjdk-6 update?
[16:38] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yeah, t daitx prepared it
[16:38]  * jdstrand nods
[16:39] <sbeattie> I'm also digging into a few more pie-related build failures for yakkety
[16:39] <sbeattie> ... and that will probably consume my week
[16:39] <sbeattie> jjohansen: you want to go next?
[16:40] <jjohansen> sure
[16:40] <jjohansen> I'm working on apparmor
[16:40] <jjohansen> I have a few things to finish up with on the xace investigation, so that others can evaluate it
[16:41] <jjohansen> and then its back to fixing kernel bugs
[16:41] <jjohansen> that is addressing some bugs with apparmor in the kernel
[16:41] <jjohansen> so that stacking can be fully utilized
[16:42] <jjohansen> thats it for me sarnold?
[16:46] <jjohansen> sarnold: you're up
[16:47] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: why don't you go and sarnold can follow you
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> This week, I've got a firefox update to get out, and also Oxide
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> I also need to fix a build failure with xenial/armhf
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> I plan to get bug 1326697 finished too - part of that involves migrating to git, which I've basically done now
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> Oh, I need to do Thunderbird too
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> I think that's me done
[16:50] <jdstrand> sarnold: you're up
[16:50] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:51] <sarnold> I owe a few emails to different teams as a result of past MIRs, want to work on building my source code searching tool, and will return to MIRs this week
[16:51] <sarnold> and if I feel good about the imagemagick patches along the way, it'd be nice to finally get that tire fire released
[16:52] <sarnold> I see they've been busy in the last week, hopefully they've addressed some of the concerns that have been raised about their ptaches
[16:52] <sarnold> that's it for me, jdstrand back to you?
[16:52] <jdstrand> thanks
[16:52] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:52] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:52] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/policycoreutils.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/yubiserver.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pinpoint.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sqlite.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xerces-c.html
[16:53] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:53] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:55] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[16:55] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[16:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May  9 16:55:58 2016 UTC.
[16:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-09-16.30.moin.txt
[16:56] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[16:56] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[16:56] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand
[16:56] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!