[08:44] <faenil> pete-woods: ping
[08:55] <pete-woods> faenil: hi
[08:56] <pete-woods> faenil: sorry, will have to get back to you later
[08:56] <pete-woods> my wife has a flat tyre I need to go and sort out
[08:57] <faenil> pete-woods: np
[09:27] <pstolowski> popey, hey, are you still experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1578283 with current image?
[09:27] <popey> pstolowski: lemme test
[09:28] <pstolowski> popey, tough nut that one..
[09:29] <popey> pstolowski: yes
[09:31] <popey> pstolowski: still blank
[09:32] <teve> for some reason my phone does not notice vegetahd rc-proposed updates anymore, I'm stuck with r318 and latest one should be r320?
[09:34] <pstolowski> popey, hmm, ok. btw have you seen the question from marcustomlinson in this bug report?
[09:34] <popey> pstolowski: took 3 refreshes
[09:34]  * popey looks
[09:36] <popey> left comment
[09:38] <marcustomlinson> popey: could you pastebin your latest ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log
[09:39] <marcustomlinson> popey: oops, forgot the "please" ;)
[09:40] <popey> heh
[09:40] <popey> marcustomlinson: http://termbin.com/fkr6
[09:40] <popey> I only have one scope favourited, the app scope
[09:41] <marcustomlinson> popey: thanks
[09:41] <popey> np
[09:41] <pstolowski> also trying to repro with only Apps scope favourited, no luck so far
[09:44] <pstolowski> popey, may i ask you for one more thing?
[09:47] <pstolowski> popey, could you please run clickscope manually with debug enabled? i.e.
[09:47] <pstolowski> popey, make sure it's not running (ps aux|grep clickscope)
[09:47] <pstolowski> popey, and then as phablet user:
[09:47] <pstolowski> popey, U1_DEBUG=1 /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/unity-scopes/scoperunner "" /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/unity-scopes/clickapps/clickscope.ini  > output.log 2>&1
[09:48] <pstolowski> popey, then reproduce it and attach output.log if it shows anything we haven't seen before
[09:49] <popey> ok
[10:07] <pete-woods> faenil: okay, back again
[10:08] <popey> pstolowski: marcustomlinson annoyingly can't reproduce it after the first time, or with your debug option open!
[10:08] <faenil> pete-woods: wb :) network-indicator showed "H" this morning, but internet wasn't working. Wifi was ON but no APs shown (which is the bug I reported a cuople of days ago). Then I disabled WiFi, and turned into no-wifi icon
[10:09] <pete-woods> faenil: hmm, we really need to have a good look at this
[10:09] <pete-woods> faenil
[10:09] <faenil> pete-woods: do you want me to file a new bug for this?
[10:09] <pete-woods> faenil: I'm not convinced this is wholly caused by indicator-network
[10:10] <pete-woods> faenil: I'd just append to your existing one
[10:10] <faenil> pete-woods: you think it's the same one?
[10:10] <pete-woods> at the moment, I think it's just worth having all the debugging on one place
[10:10] <pete-woods> faenil: not really sure. I haven't investigated at all yet
[10:10] <pete-woods> faenil: there could be multiple underlying causes
[10:10] <faenil> mmm ok...you know better :) it looks different to me, but I'll just append ;)
[10:11] <pete-woods> faenil: tbh, I would see there being great value in getting me and Tony stuck in the London office for a week looking at these issues
[10:11] <pete-woods> as it's next to impossible to debug this sort of thing at home
[10:11] <pstolowski> popey, uh.. might be worth setting U1_DEBUG=1 permanently in the env (so it survives reboots), not sure what was the magic stanza to do that with upstart
[10:12] <faenil> pete-woods: this happened while I was at home.
[10:13] <pete-woods> faenil: then maybe even a day or two of walking in and out of wifi range..
[10:13] <pete-woods> as that seems to be the trigger
[10:13] <faenil> pete-woods: but yes, I definitely agree you guys you should come here for however long is needed and address all those issues :)
[10:13] <pete-woods> for all the crazy
[10:13] <faenil> I volunteered to grab whatever log is needed, but didn't hear back anymore after a while
[10:14] <pete-woods> faenil: the logs aren't really enough
[10:14] <pete-woods> and that's not your fault
[10:14] <pete-woods> I need to be able to attach a debugger to the indicator
[10:14] <pete-woods> and see exactly what's going on
[10:14] <faenil> ok
[10:14] <pete-woods> faenil: although there would also be great value in adding a ton more "verbose mode" logging to the indicator
[10:14] <faenil> yep
[10:15] <pete-woods> the truth is, I don't have enough time to do a great job with these things
[10:15] <popey> pstolowski: ok
[10:15] <pete-woods> I'm allocated to too many projects to focus in on these issues
[10:16] <faenil> pete-woods: I can imagine :/
[10:22] <pstolowski> popey, one way of doing this is to add "env U1_DEBUG=1" below "author" line in /usr/share/upstart/sessions/scope-registry.conf (perhaps there is a better way..)
[10:27] <popey> pstolowski: I was shelling into the phone and running the command before unlocking it
[10:31] <pstolowski> popey, that shouldn't for this problem
[11:02] <gaurav_> i am stuck at a point where the qtcreator needs a kit and i don't know what to do
[11:04] <popey> gaurav_: what is the ultimate goal?
[11:04] <Mirv> Kaleo: could you take a look at camera issues (in general) on Qt 5.6, bug #1572576 ? using the vivid silo (with the wiki instructions) is possible so it's rather easy to switch. it's the one of the two unfixed main regressions I know of (unity8 people looking at scopes problem, but you can start camera from launcher)
[11:07] <brunch875> I think I now know why I use scopes so little. What the main design issue it has.
[11:08] <brunch875> Swiping fully from the left will always reset you to the leftmost scope, instead of the scope you were in previously.
[11:08] <brunch875> I say it would be much better if this only happened when tapping the ubuntu logo on the launcher
[11:19] <Kaleo> Mirv, I'll slot it in
[11:22] <Mirv> thank you
[11:30] <Acou_Bass> brunch875: i use my scopes a fair bit... i only use the default onesthough, i dont use many additional ones
[11:37] <brunch875> Acou_Bass: Which scopes do you commonly use? Out of sheer curiosity
[11:38] <Acou_Bass> mostly the today scope, but i also use the photo scope too rather than the gallery app :P
[11:38] <Acou_Bass> i like the today scope because it aggregates lots of other scopes into it
[11:38] <Acou_Bass> eg. the tasks/calendar, calls/messaging
[11:40] <Acou_Bass> the news scope would be much beter if more of the newsy scopes aggregated into it... not sure if its the news scope itself's fault or the other ones that dont correctly stick into it
[11:42] <founderio> Currently trying to flash ubuntu onto a MEIZU Pro 5. unlocking fastboot does not seem to work -> sudo fastboot oem unlock -> command output looks fine, but even after reboot the phone still shows "locked".. I've read some "fishy" tutorials that I need a beta firmware from shoewhere? Anyone fot experience there?
[12:45] <colomar> Hi everyone!
[12:47] <colomar> Some of you might have seen me in our UoS session about Kirigami last week ( http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22658/convergent-qtquick-applications-with-kirigami/ )
[12:47] <colomar> I'm responsible for interaction design for Kirigami
[12:48] <colomar> After Mark asked me on Google+ whether Kirigami applications would run on Ubuntu Phones, we discussed a bit how we could further our collaboration
[12:50] <colomar> In that regard, I would like to invite anybody who is interested in cooperating on mobile/convergent Qt applications to come to QtCon ( http://qtcon.org/ ), which is a joint conference between the Qt community, FSFE, KDAB (a Qt consulting company), VLC and KDE
[12:52] <colomar> I think this would be the idal platform to talk about how we can ensure that Qt-based mobile and convergent apps run well on all Qt-based mobile platforms, so it would be great if some of you could be there
[12:53] <pmcgowan> colomar, we usually send a bunch of folks there, would be happy to join
[12:55] <mhall119> pmcgowan: do you know who'sgoing this year?
[12:56] <pmcgowan> mhall119, not discussed yet afaik
[12:56] <pmcgowan> let me look
[12:57] <pmcgowan> mhall119, on the plan but no names yet
[13:03] <colomar> pmcgowan: That sounds great!
[13:03] <colomar> It would be good if you could tell us when you know who will be going there so we can try to organize meetings
[13:05] <colomar> Of course what would also be great is if there could be a talk from you guys about how you develop applications for Ubuntu Touch
[13:05] <colomar> Proposals are welcome until May 15th here https://qtcon.org/cfp
[13:07] <pmcgowan> oh thats soonish
[13:07] <colomar> Yes. Sorry that I didn't come here sooner.
[13:07] <colomar> All that's needed for the submission is a short description, though, and then there's plenty of time to prepare the actual talk ;)
[13:08] <mhall119> faenil's presentation he have at UOS would be great for that
[13:10] <pmcgowan> mhall119, got a link?
[13:10] <mhall119> pmcgowan: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/developer/959711/
[13:11] <pmcgowan> mhall119, ?
[13:11] <mhall119> pmcgowan: that's faenil's presentation at UOS
[13:12] <mhall119> oh, no, wrong link, sorry
[13:12] <pmcgowan> heh
[13:12] <mhall119> oSoMoN: the browser is being weird lately, ctrl+l ctrl+c doesn't copy the URL
[13:12] <mhall119> pmcgowan: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22651/convergent-ubuntu-apps/
[13:13] <mhall119> oSoMoN: I have to de-highlight the URL, then ctrl+a ctrl+c before it ocpies
[13:13] <oSoMoN> mhall119, that’s on the latest rc-proposed image, right?
[13:13] <mhall119> oSoMoN: however, it's rarely crashing now, which I do appreciate :)
[13:14] <mhall119> oSoMoN: on my laptop, so xenial + overlay + your PPA
[13:14] <mhall119> 0.23+16.04.20160506.1-0ubuntu1
[13:14] <mhall119> oh, also + silo 53, which seems to have this version
[13:14] <oSoMoN> mhall119, the symptoms you describe sound to me like it could very well be a consequence of bug #1545802
[13:16] <oSoMoN> mhall119, so you have the UITK from the overlay PPA ?
[13:17] <mhall119> oSoMoN: looks like it, yeah
[13:18] <oSoMoN> mhall119, there’s a fix ready for that bug that should land for OTA-11 (i.e. very soon)
[13:18] <mhall119> ok, I'll keep up to date
[13:18] <colomar> mhall119 pmcgowan Indeed, that sounds like a fitting topic. A talk like that plus Marco's and my talk about Kirigami (we have submitted a very similar talk to our UOS talk at QtCon as well) together could set the stage for discussing how our convergent strategies could converge (wow, what a pun!)
[13:21] <pmcgowan> converge squared
[13:21] <mhall119> oSoMoN: not sure if it's related, but F5 doesn't trigger a refresh when I'm running the browser in a Unity8 session
[13:22] <mhall119> other shortcuts, like ctrl+t and ctrl+tab work fine
[13:22] <mhall119> just not F5
[13:22] <mhall119> but that works okay under Unity 7
[13:24] <oSoMoN> mhall119, mmm, that’s weird indeed, I wonder whether it could be a unity8 bug wrt Fn keys?
[13:24] <oSoMoN> mhall119, as a temporary work-around, Ctrl+R does the same as F5
[13:25] <mhall119> oh, nice ,thanks
[13:32] <arioBarzan> is it possible for developers to build an application for ubuntu touch and run it on their own device without first submitting it to Ubuntu Software Center for review?
[13:33] <arioBarzan> let's say running arbitrary apps on a bq aquaris m10 of their own.
[13:35] <arioBarzan> what about the root partition being write-protected. Does it hinder programmers to install (not clicked packaged) apps on their own ubuntu-touch device?
[13:44] <mhall119> oSoMoN: hmm, everything is giving me mobile-versions today, like G+ and Facebook, was there a UA string change?
[13:45] <oSoMoN> mhall119, no
[13:45] <mhall119> hmm, weird
[13:46] <mhall119> oh well, I can force them to go back to desktop version
[13:46] <ogra_> Bah, the camera really doesn't get along with shell rotation on the mx4
[13:46]  * mhall119 just realized that the browser started up with the same tabs I had open when I logged out of Unity 7
[13:46] <ogra_> only works properly with rotation lock
[13:46] <mhall119> that shouldn't surprise me, but it did :)
[13:47] <mhall119> ogra_: likely the camera's own rotation logic is conflicting with the shell's, it should probably request to have it's own orientation locked to something
[13:48] <ogra_> or just follow the shell
[13:48] <ogra_> ither woulld be fine
[13:48] <ogra_> *either
[13:50] <mhall119> since it goes fullscreen it really doesn't matter, it would be a one-line thing to lock the app in portrait
[13:51] <mhall119> oSoMoN: loving the link-mouseover displaying the target URL at the bottom, that was something I missed from FF/Chromium
[13:51] <ogra_> in the desktop file you mean ? yeah, that could work
[13:51] <mhall119> ogra_: yeah, I bet that's all it needs
[13:52] <faenil> arioBarzan: of course you're encouraged to test the apps on your own devices before sending them to the Store for review :)
[13:52] <faenil> arioBarzan: and about RO filesystem, yes you cannot install packages using the "classic" apt-get, if you keep it RO
[13:53] <mterry> Elleo, hello!  You work on ubuntu-keyboard, yeah?  I'm curious about the feasibility of bug 1578693.  Specifically, how easy is it for the OSK to know maxHeight ahead of time?  And how big would maxHeight realistically be?  In some extreme input method cases, how tall does the OSK get?
[13:53] <ogra_> testing before uploading ? crazy talk
[13:53] <faenil> ogra_: right? :D
[13:53] <ogra_> :)
[13:53] <oSoMoN> mhall119, thanks, not an ota11 target, but I’ll try to land it early in the ota12 cycle
[13:54] <mhall119> oSoMoN: so, ctrl+r doesn't work in Unity 8 session either, so maybe it's not the shortcut itself but the logic it triggers that's the problem
[13:54] <arioBarzan> faenil: I need to do "phablet-config writable-image" my device for making it rw, in order to test my app ?
[13:54] <faenil> arioBarzan: testing your app does not require making the device RW
[13:55] <faenil> arioBarzan: the easiest way to test your app is to use Ubuntu SDK
[13:55] <faenil> that will build, deploy, and run the app on your device
[13:55] <mhall119> oSoMoN: nothing shows up in the app logs though
[13:55] <ogra_> and note that the phaablet-config way is permanent
[13:55] <oSoMoN> mhall119, interesting… mind reporting a bug?
[13:55] <arioBarzan> faenil: on my device, not on an emulator, right?
[13:56] <faenil> arioBarzan: correct, you use QtCreator's "Kits" to specify if you want the build/run configuration you want
[13:56] <ogra_> if you ever need to make it writable, sudo mount -o remount,rw / ... and sudo remount,ro / is the better way
[13:56] <faenil> arioBarzan: so you'll have one Kit to test it on emulator, one kit to test it on desktop, one kit to test it on device...as many as you want :)
[13:57] <arioBarzan> faenil: thanks
[13:57] <faenil> np
[13:57] <faenil> let me know if you need help with it!
[13:57] <Elleo> mterry: heya, as things stand we do currently always know the max height, so this could be reported without too much difficulty
[13:58] <Elleo> mterry: currently we enforce the same height across all layouts, that might change in the future though
[13:58] <mterry> Elleo, oh that's easy then  :)
[13:58] <Elleo> mterry: but even then we should be able to report it
[13:58] <mhall119> oSoMoN:  ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-webbrowser-app-.log
[13:59] <arioBarzan> faenil: how about developing on the device itself. I guess that would be far in the future that we have qt-creator or something alike running on device itself.
[13:59] <mhall119> bah, ctrl+l ctrl+c bug strikes again
[13:59] <Elleo> mterry: I'll add that bug to our back log, how urgent is it?
[13:59] <mhall119> oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1579775
[13:59] <mterry> Elleo, I can put together a branch, if you can point me at where that height is known?  Everything I see in ubuntu-keyboard is dynamic
[13:59] <mterry> Elleo, not super urgent, now
[13:59] <mterry> *no
[13:59] <faenil> arioBarzan: there is an experimental .click package that allows to install QtCreator on your device, I am aware of how many of the base usecases works though. I don't think it's ready to develop on device
[13:59] <mterry> Elleo, we could even fake it in u8 in short term (especially if layouts are all same height now)
[14:00] <faenil> arioBarzan: but as long as you're doing pure qml apps, you should be able to just use qmake, make, "click build" on device
[14:00] <Elleo> mterry: all layouts are the same height, but it's still somewhat dynamic in that it's calculated as a percentage of the screen height, and that percentage differs between portrait and landscape and phone/tablet
[14:00] <faenil> even if it's a c++ app, it shouldn't be a problem
[14:01] <Elleo> mterry: the percentages are defined in qml/keys/key_constants.js
[14:01] <Elleo> mterry: phoneKeyboardHeightPortrait, phoneKeyboardHeightLandscapen, tabletKeyboardHeightPortrait, tabletKeyboardHeightLandscape
[14:02] <Elleo> mterry: actually, the full height is potentially that + the corresponding word ribbon height
[14:02] <mterry> Elleo, ok thanks.  Why don't you put it on your TODO list in a non-urgent section, and I'll see if I either do that work for you or just hack it in u8 in meantime
[14:02] <Elleo> mterry: okay, sure thing
[14:02] <mterry> Elleo, thanks!
[14:09] <founderio> ogra_: Had luck flashing ubuntu onto a Pro 5? Or are you still waiting for yours?
[14:10] <ogra_> i'm in canada this week ... so even if it arrived in germany now i wouldnt have access :(
[14:10] <founderio> Currently trying to do that -> I got as far as unlocking fastboot but ubuntu-device-flash shows "Can't boot recovery image"
[14:10] <ogra_> (read: no, i didnt even get a delivery notification yet)
[14:11] <ogra_> but i wouldnt flash it anyway
[14:11] <founderio> I got mine a few hours ago
[14:11] <ogra_> an ubuntu one ?
[14:11] <founderio> nope
[14:11] <ogra_> ah
[14:11] <founderio> first shock: fastboot wouldn't unlock, but I got that done using a (leaked?) beta firmware
[14:11] <ogra_> well, then your chanches are low i guess
[14:11] <founderio> meh
[14:12] <ogra_> meizu usually has two versions ... one of them is completely locked ....
[14:12] <founderio> ew...
[14:12] <ogra_> then the ubuntu partitioning diferse from androids ...
[14:12] <ogra_> whichh means you need a factory flash tool to flash and have it do the repartitioning
[14:12] <founderio> currently looking into this here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767323/firmware-mx-pro-5
[14:13] <founderio> it describes what the ubuntu-flash-tool does internally
[14:13] <ogra_> and since ubuntu doesnt touch actual factory partitions with binary blobs you might end up witout IMEI and such
[14:13] <founderio> hmmm
[14:13] <ogra_> i know what ubuntu-deviice-fllash does ... :)
[14:13]  * ogra_ wrote parts of it
[14:13] <founderio> yes, YOU know it ;)
[14:14] <ogra_> you willl need somee meizu factory flash tool to get tthe partitioning ... ubuntu-device-flash wont do that bit
[14:14] <founderio> huh..
[14:14] <founderio> any tools known?
[14:15] <ogra_> dunno, i never worked with the new phones
[14:15] <ogra_> for bq and the MX4 the MTK flash tool worked ...
[14:15] <founderio> Just some wuick info: I tried re-doing some parts manually and it fails on fastboot format cache -> (Formatting is not supported for filesystem with type ''.) and on "fastboot boot recovery-turbo.img" -> booting... FAILED (remote failure)
[14:16] <ogra_> but the 5 doesnt use an MTK chip and likely uses some completely different tool
[14:16] <founderio> I'll see if I can find anything
[14:16] <ogra_> i wouldnt put my hopes to high
[14:16] <andygraybeal> are there any ubuntu retail phones available in the united states?
[14:17] <andygraybeal> or is it just a euro thing for now?
[14:17] <ogra_> bq delivers worldwide ...
[14:17] <andygraybeal> cool
[14:17] <ogra_> (but the bands will limit you... to 2G i think)
[14:17] <andygraybeal> okay
[14:18] <andygraybeal> as long as wifi works and voice it'll be oay
[14:18] <andygraybeal> okay
[14:18] <ogra_> so fine if you want to test apps you developed on a real device ....
[14:18] <andygraybeal> thank you ogra!
[14:18] <ogra_> ... to actually use the phone you are probably better of buying a used N4
[14:18] <andygraybeal> n4.. okay
[14:18] <ogra_> *off
[14:23] <mcphail> Is there anyone from bq support around just now?
[14:24] <founderio1> darnit... 50% of the time when that phone reboots connected to my computer, ubuntu freezes to the point of even another tty not working O_o
[14:33] <ogra_> mcphail: try the mailing list
[14:33] <mcphail> ogra_: it's just a hardware problem. Was wondering about price for USB socket fix. Is mailing list OK for that kind of thing?
[14:34] <ogra_> mcphail: not sure, but you wont know if you dont try ;)
[14:35] <mcphail> ogra_: indeed!
[14:36]  * mcphail hates microusb sockets
[14:38] <brunch875> mcphail: I learned the hard way that some usb cables have poor quality and break any socket
[14:38] <mcphail> brunch875: I have a habit of pushing them in the wrong way, which doesn't help
[15:11] <mardy> dobey: hi! Did you see this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1573536/comments/3
[15:11] <mardy> dobey: if we want to implement it, then we really required the click scope to register itself as an OA client
[15:12] <mardy> s/required/require/
[15:13] <marcustomlinson> popey: ping
[15:18] <popey> marcustomlinson: on a hangout, but fire away
[15:18] <marcustomlinson> popey: dobey left a comment for you on the empty apps scope bug. When you have time. thanks!
[15:18] <popey> kk
[15:33] <popey> marcustomlinson: done
[15:40] <hello_there> Hey! I'm new to porting and I'm wondering whether someone can help me. I am trying to port a Moto e surnia but I get the error:
[15:40] <hello_there> make: *** No rule to make target '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes'. Stop.
[15:40] <hello_there> Can someone help?
[15:42] <hello_there> I have tried downloading the F2FS external repository and placing it in external and adding it in build/core/main.mk
[15:42] <hello_there>   Hey! I'm new to porting and I'm wondering whether someone can help me. I am trying to port a Moto e surnia but I get the error:
[15:42] <hello_there> make: *** No rule to make target '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes'. Stop.
[15:47] <hello_there> Hey! I'm new to porting and I'm wondering whether someone can help me. I am trying to port a Moto e surnia but I get the error:
[15:47] <hello_there> make: *** No rule to make target '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes'. Stop.
[15:47] <hello_there> Can someone help?
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> hello_there: best to idle here some longer time, due to timezones
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> hello_there: while you patient, try the XDA forums also
[15:49] <hello_there> Ok lotuspsychje, I've tried Ask ubuntu but I haven't got anywhere... http://askubuntu.com/questions/769440/ubuntu-touch-port-make-no-rule-to-make-target-out-target-product-surnia-obj
[15:49] <hello_there> I'll try XDA forums...
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> hello_there: best to re-ask once in a while here also at wich point your stuck
[15:52] <hello_there>   Hey! I'm new to porting and I'm wondering whether someone can help me. I am trying to port a Moto e surnia but I get the error:
[15:52] <hello_there> make: *** No rule to make target '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/home/peter/phablet2/out/target/product/surnia/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes'. Stop.
[15:52] <hello_there> Can someone help?
[16:31] <mhall119> oSoMoN: this one bit me earlier today https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1579817
[17:00] <plavcik> hi, how is possible to install man pages on ubuntu touch , please?
[17:10] <peat-psuwit> I've sent a merge proposal for lp:camera-app/staging, but jenkins bot doesn't come up. Do I need to do anything else for merging into that branch?
[17:11] <plavcik> can I get mailx or other minimalistic mail client on ubuntu touch?
[17:50] <founderio> ogra_: I think I have it working
[17:50] <founderio> language selection displays :D
[17:51] <founderio> this post here is worth gold: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767323/firmware-mx-pro-5
[18:23] <founderio> Okay, verified working -> Ubuntu phone on a Flyme-OS Version Meizu PRO 5. Wifi works, phone calls work, system looks nifty!
[18:39] <altker128> Hey guys.  Is there an answer to this question?  I'm very curious about this too:
 so if i turn on read/write system to use apt-get i have two questions: 1. can i temporarily disable it to get system/ota updates (or force the updates)? 2. if i break the entire system, is there an official image i can flash back on for factory default?
[18:39] <ogra_> dont use rw ...
[18:39] <ogra_> thats the simple answer ...
[18:39] <ogra_> if you do, be prepared to re-flash
[18:39] <altker128> With all due respect, not being able to use apt and all that kind of neuters a huge benefit of a real Linux based device (unlike Android with it's Bionic)
[18:40] <altker128> From what I can tell, Ubuntu Touch keeps the Android bits and pieces in a Linux LXC (container), and the core Ubuntu software runs on the "host" side.
[18:40] <ogra_> sure
[18:40] <altker128> So, I'm wondering why enabling r/w and using apt to install packages would break Ubuntu
[18:41] <altker128> err, Ubuntu Touch
[18:41] <ogra_> but the OS aas a whole is built around the image based update model
[18:41] <altker128> Couldn't apt be setup to install stuff in like /usr/local or something?
[18:41] <pmcgowan> altker128, there are techniques to create containers for apt-get playgrounds
[18:41] <ogra_> which simply conflicts with deb based systems ...
[18:41] <altker128> pmcgowan: You're basically saying create another LXC container?
[18:42] <pmcgowan> yeah I dont do it maybe ogra_ has a link
[18:42] <altker128> OK.  What about keeping a list of of installed packages and the respective config files, so if there's an image based update, then a script runs to re-install user's packages and copies the config files?
[18:42] <ogra_> i know dobey has an askubuntu link ;)
[18:43] <altker128> I mean, don't you guys ever need to install stuff beyond what the Touch image ships with?  That part has me confused.
[18:43] <ogra_> as soon as tehh phone moves to snappy thi discussion is luckily over ... the snap based OS wont allow to make it writable
[18:43] <pmcgowan> altker128, http://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone
[18:43] <pmcgowan> uses chroot
[18:43] <ahoneybun> mhall119 Hangout works in rc-proposed on my Nexus 7 but the video is not working right on that device.
[18:43] <ogra_> (because it is aa squashfs file)
[18:44] <ogra_> if you want to use graphical apps from an apt package, use llibertine, if you want to use cli stuff, use a chroot
[18:44] <ogra_> *libertine
[18:44] <ahoneybun> libertine is not really usable on the rc-proposed for me
[18:46] <ogra_> works fine here ... i have inkscape, scribus and a lot of other apps working fine on my tablet
[18:46] <ahoneybun> you need arm versions right?
[18:46] <altker128> So, does that mean one could even install Firefox using libertine?
[18:46] <ogra_> whats the bit that makes it unusable for you ?
[18:46] <ahoneybun> I can;t remove containers for oen
[18:47] <ogra_> oh ?
[18:47] <pmcgowan> altker128, yes thats one of the apps included by default in the puritine click
[18:47] <ahoneybun> yea the remove button does nothing]
[18:47] <ogra_> button ?
[18:47] <altker128> ahoneybun: Like the goggles? :)
[18:47] <ahoneybun> I don't see libertine-scope also
[18:47]  * ogra_ only usess it from terminal ... using llibertine-container-manager
[18:48] <bregma> ahoneybun, the libertine-scope is a deb in the archives but it only just landed today
[18:48] <ahoneybun> oh
[18:48] <altker128> pmcgowan: Wow.  So, Firefox is available for all Ubuntu Touch devices, even phones?
[18:48] <bregma> altker128, yes, but usefulness is questionable on some of the lesser-powered devices
[18:48] <ahoneybun> ogra_ sometimes the UI becomes unresponive
[18:49] <ogra_> well, in an unaccelerated X setup ...
[18:49] <ahoneybun> like I see the click but it does nothing
[18:49] <mhall119> ahoneybun: what do you mean by "not working right"?
[18:49] <altker128> bregma: 10-4 .  I assume a phone with an eight-core processor should handle it !
[18:49] <ahoneybun> mhall119 I see a green screen thing
[18:49] <ogra_> (i.e dont expect fiefox under libertine to actually do webgl or stutter free video playback)
[18:50] <mhall119> hmm, oSoMoN jhodapp ^^ not sure what part of the stack might cause a green screen instead of video in hangouts
[18:50] <bregma> altker128, I assume, but you'll probably want a bigger screen or else learn to squint a lot
[18:50] <altker128> Another question on Ubuntu Touch Apps and firewalls ; in Android AFWall/AFWall+ can selectively enable network connectivity on a per-app basis because each Andorid app gets it's own UID.  Can something similar be done for Ubuntu Touch?
[18:50] <ahoneybun> mm I don't have a screenshot
[18:50] <altker128> bregma: Well, honestly, I'd want it for plug-ins, specifically NoScript .  I don't watch a lot of mobile video or care too much about WebGL.
[18:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119 this might be the main issue: https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/26232653643/in/album-72157667368951370/
[18:51] <jhodapp> mhall119, no idea, hangouts doesn't use the media stack related to media-hub...it uses an internal Oxide stack that I'm completely unfamiliar with
[18:51] <bregma> ogra_, the webgl works great on a desktop, but I suspect it's using software rendering on some of the ARM devices
[18:52] <oSoMoN> mhall119, I’ve seen that before, but I have no idea what it could be. usually reloading the hangout fixes the issue
[18:52] <ogra_> bregma: thus my question at UOS about "will we ever see hybris integration in libertine" ;)
[18:52] <ogra_> we should really do that ... lonng term
[18:52] <ogra_> same for video codecs
[18:53] <ogra_> (i have vlc and smplayer installed on my tablet here ... but there is no way to get more than a slideshow out of them)
[18:53] <mcphail> ogra_: +1
[18:54] <ahoneybun> mhall119 I can video call you can show you
[18:54] <ahoneybun> oh GPS works on the Nexus 7
[18:55] <altker128> Is the Nokia HERE for Ubuntu Touch a real application, or a webapp / link to here.com ?
[18:55] <ahoneybun> why not use uNav?
[18:55] <ogra_> both :)
[18:55] <ogra_> it is a real QML app but uses a webview for the map part
[18:56] <mhall119> ahoneybun: sorry, I have to run and take my son to class
[18:56] <ahoneybun> np I just wanted to know if it would help at al
[18:56] <altker128> ogra_: unav or here?
[18:56] <ahoneybun> *all
[18:56] <altker128> ahoneybun: unav looks cool, I assume one can use it completely offline?
[18:56] <ogra_> and yeah better use unav ... definitely the more advanced app
[18:57] <ahoneybun> altker128 that is coming out soon
[18:58] <altker128> ahoneybun: Awesome.
[19:08] <altker128> Apologies for the repeat.  Is there a working ufw / gufw for Touch?
[19:10] <popey> altker128: not seen anyone working on that
[19:11] <popey> ufw itself is on the phone
[19:11] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ufw version
[19:11] <popey> ufw 0.34~rc-0ubuntu5
[19:11] <ogra_> the bits and piesces are also enabled in the kernel
[19:11] <popey> no gui for it though. would be neat to have one
[19:11] <altker128> Could Touch apps / scopes be filtered the way apps in Android can?
[19:12] <ogra_> i think it isnt configured in any way though, but all bits are in place
[19:12] <altker128> Well, in Android, each app is installed with it's own UID so one can use a uid/gid iptables rule and filter that way.  Is Touch do anything similar for scopes or apps?
[19:13] <ogra_> not yet but it should be technically possible ....
[19:14]  * mcphail wonders how 99$ of the store apps would get on without network connections :/
[19:14] <ogra_> (and on aa sidenote, snappy will fix that)
[19:14] <altker128> mcphail: Do you mean Ubuntu Store apps, or?
[19:14] <popey> mcphail: yours works, so does that make you the 1%?
[19:14] <mcphail> altker128: many of the apps on Ubuntu are webapps at present. Blocking network connections is going to be messy
[19:15] <popey> I think some of those apps will magically disappear soon
[19:15] <mcphail> popey: My mother always said I was special in my own way
[19:15] <popey> because they were made ages ago, and use the 13.10 framework
[19:15] <popey> and I doubt they will be updated
[19:15] <altker128> Yeah.  The sad truth is often times when traveling, data is turned off.   Or if you want to look something up, you ONLY want the webbrowser to work
[19:15] <altker128> Hence the importance of a 100% offline GPS routing app
[19:16] <popey> ogra_: surely with each app in its own cgroup, you could filter / block traffic there?
[19:16] <popey> or am I weong?
[19:17] <altker128> Given the fact Ubuntu Touch keeps Android in an LXC container, wouldn't it then be possible to run Android apps alongside Ubuntu apps?
[19:17] <ogra_> nope, you are right
[19:17] <mcphail> It would be nice if permy would allow you to stop netwrok permissions
[19:18] <ahoneybun> altker128 there is not much in that Android Layer
[19:18] <ahoneybun> mostly drivers
[19:19] <ahoneybun> no Java for that
[19:20] <altker128> If Touch is running on a device that already has an Android port, I wonder if/how that could be made to work.  Not that I really want Android, but there are some apps for which an Ubuntu port may never come.
[19:22] <mcphail> altker128: afaik, ubuntu _only_ runs on devices which have an android port
[19:22] <altker128> Yeah, libhybris and all
[19:23] <mcphail> altker128: I'd iamgine you'd need to break confinement, have a surfaceflinger -> Mir shim etc for it to work. I can't see it on the horizon soon
[19:24] <mcphail> altker128: best to bring the apps directly to Ubuntu ;)
[19:25] <altker128> So, it seems like Qt on Android is becoming more of a reality.  Maybe app developers can use that to simultaneously target multiple platforms
[19:26] <altker128> mcphail: Right now on Android, Nokia HERE maps and HP48 emulator are the only things I'd personally want to carry over, everything else it seems like Ubuntu Touch is quite capable.  There's even openvpn support now for Touch which is great.
[19:57] <ahoneybun> can anyone recommanded a bluetooth mouse that works?
[19:57] <ahoneybun> also a good slimport adapter
[19:58] <ahoneybun> as BLE does not work
[19:59] <mcphail> Remind me, it is "pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted package.click", isn't it?
[20:00] <bregma> ahoneybun, I have a FOSMON slimport adapter, comes with a custom-matched HDMI cable so it eliminates most of the failures I've had due to the flakiness of the slimport<->HDMI combination
[20:00] <bregma> and it's reasonably inexpensive but not cheap like some
[20:01] <ahoneybun> I have one that is a bit flicky with display
[20:01] <ahoneybun> might be as I'm using a HDMI=DVI cable for my monitor
[20:04] <bregma> I went through a few slimports, and several cables: they stopped working after a while, or didn't work with certain displays ever, or only in certain combos
[20:05] <bregma> the FOSMON has pleased me so far
[20:06] <bregma> also I use a Logitech M557 mouse and the ever-present Logitech K480 keyboard
[20:06] <bregma> never had a problem with the keyboard, but I've found the mouse finicky about pairing sometime
[20:07] <ahoneybun> BLE means the device does not see it at all
[20:07] <ahoneybun> bregma only with bluetoothctl can you see it but it does not pair right
[20:12] <ahoneybun> thanks for the mouse bregma
[20:12] <ahoneybun> bluetooth needs some work on the nexus 7
[20:29] <PaulFraOSAA> Mirv: I have just seen in the QtTesting wiki that you say it is possible to run KDE Plasma Desktop, Is there any place I can find out more about this?