[05:45] Good morning everyone [05:55] mornings [05:57] good morning all [05:58] hey anton_may [05:59] morning paddatrapper [06:00] How things? [06:00] i thought I was 20 again and party like it was '99 over the weekend and suffering this morning. [06:02] Ouch [06:02] But that's what the weekend's for after all! [06:02] urg yes, but now I need a weekend to recover from the weekend [06:05] Hallo Oom [06:05] good morning Kilos [06:05] morning thatgraemeguy anton_may and everyone else [06:05] Morning Kilos [06:06] hi there paddatrapper [06:06] haha thatgraemeguy you also doing the oom thing [06:06] sjoe [06:07] hi gremble inetpro MaNI theblazehen [06:07] :D [06:08] Good morning Kilos paddatrapper anton_may and thatgraemeguy [06:08] im sure its a conspiracy to make me feel older [06:08] morning gremble [06:08] winter does that enough [06:08] power gone wbb [06:08] morning paddatrapper thatgraemeguy anton_may Kilos gremble and others [06:08] morning chesedo [06:09] at least you know your limits Kilos, was just saying to paddatrapper I partied like I was a 20 year old again over the weekend and now I'm suffering today [06:10] morning gremble [06:10] and chesedo [06:10] How is everyone doing [06:11] Alright thanks. Regular Monday so far. You> [06:11] ? [06:12] Not bad. Tried to get to campus, but the roads are completely bogged down where I live. So I turned back and came back home. [06:12] like this --> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyGHb5yrD9HpGNbtxNnwzJ4lc-oZoDACAMmjSrrMBkijJLWzsc [06:16] hi ki [06:16] hmm [06:18] Good morning theblazehen [06:18] Kilos is probably trying to fix his mobile data thing :P [06:19] [08:08:36] power gone wbb [06:21] Oh. That's what you get for not reading [06:21] hey gremble [06:22] lol, well it's sometimes to easy to miss the small messages [06:23] s/to/too/ [06:23] hmm, anyone know who Yenrabbit was? [06:25] Yes, well it is a shitty habit that I have. I realised it last night when I was doing optimisation problems in calculus. I just sort of "skip" over information and then multiply incorrectly -_- [06:30] yeah, and then 5 hours later - having gone over the problem for the dozenth time - you realise that you missed a minus and a minus that should be a positive... [06:35] chesedo: Yeah he is a friend of mine [06:38] Or realise that 4x4 is not 8 [06:38] gremble: I've done that before.. [06:39] So have I. For someone that studies mathematics, I am _really_ shit at arithmetic XD [06:43] I've done that way too many times to count... that and x^2 + x^2 = x^4 because I'm simply not reading [06:47] gremble: :) [06:50] Hey urbanslug [06:53] gremble: I wish I knew more math [06:54] You don't have to wish for it. There are quite a lot of resources available to learn more. Or at least deepen your knowledge of the parts you already know :P [06:55] paddatrapper: great, i see that some did chat to him yesterday... so hope he feels welcome [06:55] Like finding out how many natural numbers there are or how many primes there are [06:56] * chesedo thinks that people who does math (more manually) are harder on themselves when making mistakes [06:57] I don't have to be hard on myself. My lecturer does that for me. [06:57] "Oh, you used a right implications where you had to use a left implication to formulate the proof. 0" [06:59] lol, and reponse "[sigh] ok" [07:04] Pretty much. [07:04] gremble: I have an easier time understanding Greek than what you just said... [07:05] ahoy Yenrabbit, urbanslug [07:05] Ahoy! [07:05] morning paddatrapper, gremble, chesedo, theblazehen, anton_may [07:05] Morning all [07:05] Maaz: tell Kilos You need to wind that hamster wheel some more. Or get a new hamster. [07:05] superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [07:06] gremble: Are you around here often? I have a real problem getting proofs into my head :( [07:07] superfly, The only reason that I understand is because I took extracurricular logic from one of the lecturers. Most of my class has no idea either. [07:08] urbanslug, I try to be. [07:08] hey superfly [07:09] I am trying to find nice and simple physics examples for functions of two variables, it is harder than I had imagined. [07:09] >.> [07:15] It seems they have cleared up the shit on the road. According to google maps at least. I am going to try to get to campus again. Talk to you guys tonight [07:21] hi Yenrabbit and welcome [07:22] Hi chesedo [07:22] gremble: what about SHM? [07:24] morning superfly, neither did i (too scared to ask)... but __think__ it means he used RHS to prove LHS where he should have used the other way around (who knows) [07:24] Maaz: tell gremble What about SHM motion for physics function of two variables? [07:24] paddatrapper: Got it, I'll tell gremble on freenode [08:01] morning superfly [08:15] There was shit on the road that stopped someone from getting to campus? [08:15] 0.o [08:16] I don't like php.. Especially 10 year old php [08:24] * urbanslug 's hipster ass types clojure :D [08:24] urbanslug: Haven't tried it. I like python [08:25] Recently learned about list comprehensions <3 [08:25] learned? learnt? [08:25] theblazehen: Both are valid :) [08:25] Ah, cool [08:26] Morning [08:26] Morning every one, :) [08:26] hi Squirm [08:26] hi GnikLlort [08:26] supppp [08:31] theblazehen: List comperehensions are cool. [08:32] Do you use lambdas too? [08:32] can anybody tell me how can I help further on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1567540? [08:32] urbanslug: Nah. More on the admin side of stuff, do scripting when I need to [08:33] urbanslug: there was traffic on the road... [08:33] theblazehen: Oh yeah, tis an ubintu channel after all. :) [08:33] chesedo: hahah traffic == shit :D [08:33] urbanslug: Yeah :) [08:33] pavlushka: Got a tl;dr on it? [08:34] Have you tried starting ntpd manually with a strace running on it? [08:34] theblazehen: may be you can explain a bit, no idea on that, [08:35] pavlushka: Logs all function calls / syscalls, that way we can get a trace of what was happening right before it crashes [08:42] theblazehen: have you done dictionary comprehensions? [08:42] superfly: Sounds like it could be usefull.. /me reads up [08:43] theblazehen: basically the same thing [08:44] d = {key: value for key, value in thing} [08:44] Ah, cool [08:44] but yes, very cool [08:44] also, the zip() function is AWESOME [08:44] superfly: Since you're familiar with python etc, mind telling me if https://github.com/theblazehen/python-callbackToReturnVal that is the best way to solve what I was doing? [08:45] you have 3 lists and you want to loop through them all at the same time? for a, b, c in zip(a_list, b_list, c_list): ... [08:45] superfly: Hmm, that sounds nice [08:46] theblazehen: I'm struggling to understand what your code is trying to achieve [08:47] superfly: Basically I want to do x = functionCall(), but the function I'm calling doesn't just return the data, it only sends it out to a callback [08:48] f(callback=g) ? [08:48] So I use the runSync function to run that function, and then pause the main thread until the callback is called, then return the data that the callback received [08:49] (btw, pep8 recommends words_with_underscores) [08:49] ah, ty [08:50] theblazehen: well, for one, your "runSync" method is not calling the function [08:52] and the way your example in the README is defined, you're running the function and passing its return value into runSync [08:56] theblazehen: did you catch my last two messages about your code? [08:57] superfly: The pep8 and f(callback .. one? [08:58] no [08:58] theblazehen: well, for one, your "runSync" method is not calling the function [08:58] and the way your example in the README is defined, you're running the function and passing its return value into runSync [09:02] good evening [09:02] good morning [09:03] good evening inetpro [09:03] hi GnikLlort [09:04] Oom Kilos isn't here, so I've taken over his job as greeter bot :-P [09:04] theblazehen: eish, your connection is struggling [09:04] superfly: Damn.. :(It's on my dedicated server even [09:05] theblazehen: where's your dedi? [09:05] was unmetered.com, now it's on some other service [09:05] No problems before now [09:09] 2959 packets transmitted, 11 received, 99% packet loss, time 35602ms [09:09] :( [09:14] oh my, someone please go donate alternative power sources to oom Kilos [09:14] we can't afford to have a channel without him here [09:14] Eskom again? [09:15] Hmm [09:15] Seemed temporary international internet issue [09:15] US server -> EU server had 99% packet loss [09:15] Then ssh connection ZA -> US dropped [09:15] Google went real slow too [09:15] Now it's working again [09:16] US -> EU link too [09:16] also had issue with ZA -> EU thats working now [10:09] theblazehen_: ping [10:12] Hi [10:13] hey pavlushka mazal [10:13] Hi mazal ! [10:13] theblazehen_: can you recall the previous convo on ntp? [10:13] pavlushka: Yeah, recommended running strace on it [10:14] theblazehen_: how can I do that? [10:15] oh, strace is a tracing tool, i see. [10:16] yeah [10:20] thanks theblazehen_ :) [10:20] np pavlushka [10:23] tcp is magic [10:47] hahahahaha clever superfly [10:47] did everyone see that [10:48] hee hee [10:48] superfly on freenode told me "tell Kilos You need to wind that hamster wheel some more. Or get a new hamster." 3 hours, 40 minutes and 56 seconds ago [10:48] pta power peeps need more hamsters [10:49] worked hard all the time on bath with leaking outlet thats been bricked in place 50 years agon [10:49] tired now [10:53] I must be *really* unlucky .. [10:53] why [10:53] Broadcast storm took down office network, *and* my bouncers internet connection is flaky for past while [10:53] ai! [10:54] Was getting 90% loss from even USA server -> EU server [10:55] ai [10:55] ouch [10:55] 93% packet loss on dedicated server.. === urbanslug is now known as zipper [10:55] Luckily I have a gigabit line on it so it's stilll fast enough to do irc :) [10:56] sjoe [10:56] Oh weird, hmm [10:56] usa server has 90% loss to eu server. 0% from the office [10:57] Shees what a Monday [10:58] mazal: You're telling me.. [10:58] Everything broken here from screens to fibers [10:58] mazal: Ouch [10:58] Oh. usa -> eu works now [10:59] and me thinks the rats is too blame for the fiber [11:00] is there a Kubuntu 16.04 user willing to test something for me ? [11:06] * pavlushka counting the stars in the daylight [12:30] l8tr all , have a good afternoon === pavlushka is now known as pavlushka2 === pavlushka2 is now known as pavlushka === pavlushka is now known as z3ki [12:55] good afternoon === z3ki is now known as pavlushka [13:22] hey magespawn [13:22] afternoon everyone [13:59] cheers all see ya ll tomororw [13:59] cheers anton_may [15:05] hmm... [15:19] thinking again Kilos ? [15:21] yeah [15:42] home time for me, chat later [17:14] Hey spinza [17:24] evening fellas [17:24] ohi superfly === pavlushka is now known as z4ki [17:28] lol === z4ki is now known as pavlushka [17:42] Hi, anyone knows of any supplier / distributor / shop / online shop / company that sells Ubuntu-preinstalled PC's, laptops, etc? [17:43] hi locodir-user [17:44] just hang out here for a while someone will answer you [17:44] there were a few but i didnt keep track of who they were [17:44] and welcome to ubuntu-za [17:44] Can't we list them on a wiki somewhere? [17:45] I am sick and tired of MS BS [17:45] Just getting rid of silly upgrade nag bars took 2 hours of my life this morning [17:45] on office 365 [17:45] we are having many spam attacks on wiki pages atm so edit is a problem [17:45] Libreoffice is superior [17:45] but someone here will remember [17:45] for the last 3 "off the beaten track" functions I needed [17:46] ouch [17:46] Hmmm... simple email verification not good enough? [17:46] email verification + human verification? [17:46] email verification + human verification + moderator approval? [17:47] Where are you based? I'm in CPT [17:47] Hi :-) [17:47] yeah the guys are working on improving and tightening up security [17:47] i am in pta but we have quite a few guys down there [17:48] im the greeter bot here [17:48] Lol [17:48] I was just going to ask if you're a bot :-p [17:48] hahaha [17:49] And don't get me started on Ubuntu either. 16.04 they thought they'll get smart and only install drivers for the installation platform with ubuntu server - so good luck installing on one machine for another *ugh* [17:49] we have had the question of preinstalled ubuntu laptops a few times but i have faulty ram so dont remember things well [17:50] i am still on 14.04 kubuntu [17:50] I'm almost ready to go on a big drive to make sure Pinnacle has pre-installed Ubuntu options [17:50] I'm sick and tired of the MS scourge [17:50] lol only now? [17:51] buying a laptop that is too slow to use out of the box [17:51] Have you tried Win10 on a celeron? [17:51] ridiculous [17:51] you can of course ubuntu laptops [17:51] import [17:51] I predict the 2nd hand market will be flooded with cheap celerons soon [17:51] or new Ubuntu initiates [17:52] system86 i think they are called [17:52] soon as those poor souls get fast enough internet to update to Windows 10 [17:52] ouch [17:53] locodir-user have you tried buy a laptop without any system installed [17:53] Never seen one of those from a bulk retailer or their suppliers [17:55] in 35 mins most of the guys finish having supper and family time then im sure we will have info [17:55] locodir-user your first time here? [17:56] Cool, just got a new SSD for this shitty celeron laptop, I'll be out for 5 mins as I reboot. Yes... first time clicking on the installer slieshow links [17:56] ssd's rock [17:57] great speed improvement [17:57] celeron is single core cpu hey? [17:57] And battery life improvement... I'm expecting it to double [17:58] No I don't think you get single cores any more, they're all dual core but without hyper threading [17:58] dual core with 4gig ram works fine with ubuntu [17:58] they're decent, I've been using Gentoo though, the additional 20-30% speed boost from having something compiled specifically for your CPU helps on a slow box [17:59] you can download ubuntu and install it yourself [17:59] Yup, busy as we speak... logged in here from a live session busy installing [17:59] cool i hope you dont disappear once install is done [18:00] Do you use mate or ubuntu, or ubuntu with mate after-installed? [18:00] No, I'll come back :-) [18:00] i have used both [18:00] I mean mint [18:00] mate is lighter than unity [18:00] you can get ubuntu mate desktop [18:00] if you install ubuntu and then add mate it should be the same [18:01] minus the mint addons [18:01] mate is in the u buntu repos now [18:01] i use kubuntu now and totally hooked on it [18:01] bit heavy on slow machines though [18:02] its been there forever, yes. I love kde.... in fact, I honestly tried it on Gentoo for a few months, but it wouldn't remember my customizations grrrr.... so every time I rebooted my folder sizes would be messed up and I didn't have any time for that. [18:02] inetpro can you remember where one can buy ubuntu preinstalled lappies [18:03] lol [18:03] on ubuntu 14.04 it is rock solid [18:03] Just about the most fun thing I've done with Ubuntu so far was to mirror the whole 280GB of the repo [18:03] whew [18:04] and had a drive where I installed literally everything I could ever think of needing or wanting to check out [18:04] you dont use mobile data then [18:04] and it took less than 150GB [18:04] And ran just as fast as a brand new install [18:05] no please no, mobile data is dead to me, even in CPT CBD [18:05] expensive too [18:05] With "unlimited" or R25/GB. All these cell companies are going to look a lot different in 5 years time [18:06] go to https://ubuntu-za.org and join our mailing list there. the preinstalled lappy thing has come up often [18:06] Their greed has really messed them up [18:06] yeah [18:06] I don't know a single person who as not been screwed over by a telco [18:06] just drop a mail and hope the relevant guys answer before you get one here [18:07] i use telkom mobile, no cables on plots or farms [18:07] copper wires work better in melting pots [18:09] paddatrapper you in CT hey? [18:10] ya opposite fly [18:16] locodir-user look here so long http://is.gd/iZF7aS [18:19] I just sold a big share in my company. I'm going to go on a world tour and see how the PC components and laptop industry is glued together, and jab at it with a blowtorch to see what comes off [18:19] lol [18:19] And I'm going to do so as publically as possible... so that if some MS agent tries to take me out everybody knows the score [18:20] Good evening [18:20] hi gremble [18:20] paddatrapper, I don't know what SHM is. I have not been doing much physics [18:21] I am sort of just assuming that he can see [18:21] How are you Kilos? [18:21] he will [18:21] im fine ty and you [18:22] will be better when it warms up [18:22] I am well thank you. I just gave a statistics class and realise that I don't know as little as I think [18:22] zipper spoke about haskell today and i told him to keep an eye out for you [18:22] hahaha [18:23] you underestimated yourself [18:25] I actually asked one of the writers of the new haskell textbook if I could have a copy since $59 is quite expensive for a lowly South African student. [18:26] So he gave me one. [18:26] People are really so nice sometimes. [18:28] nice [18:28] hardcopy? [18:43] no. They havnt printed hardcopies yet [18:44] is it as big as your book is going to be? [18:45] I get all the updates that they make to it. So yes [18:45] i mean your maths book [18:45] thinking to compare prices [18:46] Oh, no much smaller. Their textbook is about 1108 pages, mine will probably only be about 180 pages [18:46] whew [18:46] so many pages [18:47] haskell is a programming language right? [18:47] Yes [18:48] gremble: SHM is simple harmonic motion wrt to time and position [18:48] One of the more fun ones that I have worked with. [18:48] Kilos: yeah I'm in CT [18:48] paddatrapper, oh, those make nice differential equations. I am a bit apprehensive about using time as a variable though, since it is usually more useful as a parameter [18:48] Like when you are doing space curves [18:48] (particle position) [18:48] you missed that other CT guy paddatrapper i dunno now anymore who is genuine and who isnt [18:49] ubuntu being attacked all over by spammers [18:49] Kilos, recently or just generally in life? [18:49] Eish [18:49] all the time the lat month [18:50] That's weird [18:50] even wiki pages been locked down to try block them [18:50] The Ubuntu laptops, etc are sold by System76 [18:50] and yesterday they got into the etherpad stuff [18:51] nno there is dell or someone in za that preinstalls ubuntu as well [18:51] You can get a dell pc preinstalled with ubuntu [18:51] I am looking at the XPS range [18:51] tell maaz where gremble [18:52] i forget where when peeps ask [18:53] There are these http://www.dell.com/za/p/inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC [18:53] They are kind of shitty though [18:53] Maaz ubuntu laptops is http://www.dell.com/za/p/inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC [18:53] Kilos: I'll remember that [18:53] shitty? [18:55] i read this today in canonical.sysadmin [18:55] some spammers managed to subscribe to teams which give access to ubuntu-etherpad, so over the weekend we had to remove edit access for ubuntu-etherpad. We're working on removing the abusive edits, and finding a way to manage access which wont allow this kind of trick [18:56] http://www.dell.com/za/p/xps-13-9350-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC these are the other ones that I know of. I haven't went through all of them [18:56] ty gremble [18:56] That is surprising. That is a lot of effort for a spammer, to get on a team [18:56] Maaz forget ubuntu laptops [18:56] Kilos: Okay [18:57] Maaz ubuntu laptops is http://www.dell.com/za/p/xps-13-9350-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC and http://www.dell.com/za/p/inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC [18:57] Kilos: One learns a new thing every day [18:57] cool next one that asks i can help [18:58] My Internet speed has reduced me to watching SABC3... [18:58] lol [18:58] run mtr and see where the hassle is [18:59] man mtr for switches or wait for inetpro to give the right command [18:59] paddatrapper mtr -nr -c20 -o "LSD NBAW X" 8.8.8.8 [18:59] SABC 3 was always interesting because it was the only channel that had like built-in grainy-ness [19:00] i managed to find one command i saved [19:04] Thanks. Running it now [19:05] Mind helping me translate what I got? [19:05] hahahahaha [19:06] you in the same boat as me [19:06] let me run it and see [19:06] Got 100% loss from ip ??? On the jump after my gateway [19:06] And then again later on [19:06] And of course I cannot connect to anywhere to post it... [19:07] i got same loss from ??? but no looses after that [19:08] all those ip's are the sites you go through to get to google i think [19:08] Interestingly I can get google.co.za no problem [19:08] and the best last avg is ping speeds [19:09] 8.8.8.8 is google's DNS server [19:09] yes [19:09] Yeah [19:09] and 8844 i think [19:09] That is all I know from that command :P [19:10] I can't even check my usage on Telkom's site [19:10] on 8.8.8.8 my avg is 41 [19:10] number 11 here [19:10] other heavy losses are bad jumps [19:11] haha i think thats how you say it [19:12] Think they are called hops, but never been too sure! [19:13] im a greeter bot my i can say hello and welcome quite efficiently [19:13] other stuff is work [19:13] Lol [19:13] s/my/man [19:14] even gremble stayed here after i greeted and welcomed him so sweetly [19:14]