[05:45] <paddatrapper> Good morning everyone
[05:55] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[05:57] <anton_may> good morning all
[05:58] <paddatrapper> hey anton_may 
[05:59] <anton_may> morning paddatrapper
[06:00] <paddatrapper> How things?
[06:00] <anton_may> i thought I was 20 again and party like it was '99 over the weekend and suffering this morning.
[06:02] <paddatrapper> Ouch
[06:02] <paddatrapper> But that's what the weekend's for after all!
[06:02] <anton_may> urg yes, but now I need a weekend to recover from the weekend
[06:05] <thatgraemeguy> Hallo Oom
[06:05] <anton_may> good morning Kilos
[06:05] <Kilos> morning thatgraemeguy anton_may and everyone else
[06:05] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos 
[06:06] <Kilos> hi there paddatrapper 
[06:06] <Kilos> haha thatgraemeguy you also doing the oom thing
[06:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:07] <Kilos> hi gremble inetpro MaNI theblazehen 
[06:07] <thatgraemeguy> :D
[06:08] <gremble> Good morning Kilos paddatrapper anton_may and thatgraemeguy 
[06:08] <Kilos> im sure its a conspiracy to make me feel older
[06:08] <anton_may> morning gremble
[06:08] <Kilos> winter does that enough
[06:08] <Kilos> power gone wbb
[06:08] <chesedo> morning paddatrapper thatgraemeguy anton_may Kilos gremble and others
[06:08] <anton_may> morning chesedo
[06:09] <anton_may> at least you know your limits Kilos, was just saying to paddatrapper I partied like I was a 20 year old again over the weekend and now I'm suffering today
[06:10] <paddatrapper> morning gremble 
[06:10] <paddatrapper> and chesedo
[06:10] <gremble> How is everyone doing
[06:11] <paddatrapper> Alright thanks. Regular Monday so far. You>
[06:11] <paddatrapper> ?
[06:12] <gremble> Not bad. Tried to get to campus, but the roads are completely bogged down where I live. So I turned back and came back home.
[06:12] <anton_may> like this --> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyGHb5yrD9HpGNbtxNnwzJ4lc-oZoDACAMmjSrrMBkijJLWzsc
[06:16] <theblazehen> hi ki
[06:16] <theblazehen> hmm
[06:18] <gremble> Good morning theblazehen 
[06:18] <gremble> Kilos is probably trying to fix his mobile data thing :P
[06:19] <chesedo> [08:08:36] <Kilos> power gone wbb
[06:21] <gremble> Oh. That's what you get for not reading
[06:21] <theblazehen> hey gremble
[06:22] <chesedo> lol, well it's sometimes to easy to miss the small messages
[06:23] <chesedo> s/to/too/
[06:23] <chesedo> hmm, anyone know who Yenrabbit was?
[06:25] <gremble> Yes, well it is a shitty habit that I have. I realised it last night when I was doing optimisation problems in calculus. I just sort of "skip" over information and then multiply incorrectly -_-
[06:30] <chesedo> yeah, and then 5 hours later - having gone over the problem for the dozenth time - you realise that you missed a minus and a minus that should be a positive...
[06:35] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Yeah he is a friend of mine
[06:38] <gremble> Or realise that 4x4 is not 8 
[06:38] <theblazehen> gremble: I've done that before..
[06:39] <gremble> So have I. For someone that studies mathematics, I am _really_ shit at arithmetic XD
[06:43] <paddatrapper> I've done that way too many times to count... that and x^2 + x^2 = x^4 because I'm simply not reading
[06:47] <urbanslug> gremble: :)
[06:50] <gremble> Hey urbanslug 
[06:53] <urbanslug> gremble: I wish I knew more math
[06:54] <gremble> You don't have to wish for it. There are quite a lot of resources available to learn more. Or at least deepen your knowledge of the parts you already know :P
[06:55] <chesedo> paddatrapper: great, i see that some did chat to him yesterday... so hope he feels welcome
[06:55] <gremble> Like finding out how many natural numbers there are or how many primes there are
[06:56]  * chesedo thinks that people who does math (more manually) are harder on themselves when making mistakes
[06:57] <gremble> I don't have to be hard on myself. My lecturer does that for me.
[06:57] <gremble> "Oh, you used a right implications where you had to use a left implication to formulate the proof. 0"
[06:59] <chesedo> lol, and reponse "[sigh] ok"
[07:04] <gremble> Pretty much. 
[07:04] <superfly> gremble: I have an easier time understanding Greek than what you just said...
[07:05] <superfly> ahoy Yenrabbit, urbanslug
[07:05] <Yenrabbit> Ahoy!
[07:05] <superfly> morning paddatrapper, gremble, chesedo, theblazehen, anton_may
[07:05] <Yenrabbit> Morning all
[07:05] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos You need to wind that hamster wheel some more. Or get a new hamster.
[07:05] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:06] <urbanslug> gremble: Are you around here often? I have a real problem getting proofs into my head :(
[07:07] <gremble> superfly, The only reason that I understand is because I took extracurricular logic from one of the lecturers. Most of my class has no idea either.
[07:08] <gremble> urbanslug, I try to be. 
[07:08] <theblazehen> hey superfly
[07:09] <gremble> I am trying to find nice and simple physics examples for functions of two variables, it is harder than I had imagined. 
[07:09] <gremble> >.>
[07:15] <gremble> It seems they have cleared up the shit on the road. According to google maps at least. I am going to try to get to campus again. Talk to you guys tonight
[07:21] <chesedo> hi Yenrabbit and welcome
[07:22] <Yenrabbit> Hi chesedo
[07:22] <paddatrapper> gremble: what about SHM?
[07:24] <chesedo> morning superfly, neither did i (too scared to ask)... but __think__ it means he used RHS to prove LHS where he should have used the other way around (who knows)
[07:24] <paddatrapper> Maaz: tell gremble What about SHM motion for physics function of two variables?
[07:24] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Got it, I'll tell gremble on freenode
[08:01] <anton_may> morning superfly
[08:15] <urbanslug> There was shit on the road that stopped someone from getting to campus?
[08:15] <urbanslug> 0.o
[08:16] <theblazehen> I don't like php.. Especially 10 year old php
[08:24]  * urbanslug 's hipster ass types clojure :D
[08:24] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Haven't tried it. I like python
[08:25] <theblazehen> Recently learned about list comprehensions <3
[08:25] <theblazehen> learned? learnt?
[08:25] <urbanslug> theblazehen: Both are valid :)
[08:25] <theblazehen> Ah, cool
[08:26] <Squirm> Morning
[08:26] <pavlushka> Morning every one, :)
[08:26] <theblazehen> hi Squirm
[08:26] <theblazehen> hi GnikLlort
[08:26] <GnikLlort> supppp
[08:31] <urbanslug> theblazehen: List comperehensions are cool.
[08:32] <urbanslug> Do you use lambdas too?
[08:32] <pavlushka> can anybody tell me how can I help further on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1567540?
[08:32] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Nah. More on the admin side of stuff, do scripting when I need to
[08:33] <chesedo> urbanslug: there was traffic on the road...
[08:33] <urbanslug> theblazehen: Oh yeah, tis an ubintu channel after all. :)
[08:33] <urbanslug> chesedo: hahah traffic == shit :D
[08:33] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Yeah :)
[08:33] <theblazehen> pavlushka: Got a tl;dr on it?
[08:34] <theblazehen> Have you tried starting ntpd manually with a strace running on it?
[08:34] <pavlushka> theblazehen: may be you can explain a bit, no idea on that, 
[08:35] <theblazehen> pavlushka: Logs all function calls / syscalls, that way we can get a trace of what was happening right before it crashes
[08:42] <superfly> theblazehen: have you done dictionary comprehensions?
[08:42] <theblazehen> superfly: Sounds like it could be usefull.. /me reads up
[08:43] <superfly> theblazehen: basically the same thing
[08:44] <superfly> d = {key: value for key, value in thing}
[08:44] <theblazehen> Ah, cool
[08:44] <superfly> but yes, very cool
[08:44] <superfly> also, the zip() function is AWESOME
[08:44] <theblazehen> superfly: Since you're familiar with python etc, mind telling me if https://github.com/theblazehen/python-callbackToReturnVal that is the best way to solve what I was doing?
[08:45] <superfly> you have 3 lists and you want to loop through them all at the same time? for a, b, c in zip(a_list, b_list, c_list): ...
[08:45] <theblazehen> superfly: Hmm, that sounds nice
[08:46] <superfly> theblazehen: I'm struggling to understand what your code is trying to achieve
[08:47] <theblazehen> superfly: Basically I want to do x = functionCall(), but the function I'm calling doesn't just return the data, it only sends it out to a callback
[08:48] <superfly> f(callback=g) ?
[08:48] <theblazehen> So I use the runSync function to run that function, and then pause the main thread until the callback is called, then return the data that the callback received
[08:49] <superfly> (btw, pep8 recommends words_with_underscores)
[08:49] <theblazehen> ah, ty
[08:50] <superfly> theblazehen: well, for one, your "runSync" method is not calling the function
[08:52] <superfly> and the way your example in the README is defined, you're running the function and passing its return value into runSync
[08:56] <superfly> theblazehen: did you catch my last two messages about your code?
[08:57] <theblazehen> superfly: The pep8 and f(callback .. one?
[08:58] <superfly> no
 theblazehen: well, for one, your "runSync" method is not calling the function
 and the way your example in the README is defined, you're running the function and passing its return value into runSync
[09:02] <inetpro> good evening
[09:02] <GnikLlort> good morning
[09:03] <superfly> good evening inetpro
[09:03] <superfly> hi GnikLlort
[09:04] <superfly> Oom Kilos isn't here, so I've taken over his job as greeter bot :-P
[09:04] <superfly> theblazehen: eish, your connection is struggling
[09:04] <theblazehen> superfly: Damn.. :(It's on my dedicated server even
[09:05] <superfly> theblazehen: where's your dedi?
[09:05] <theblazehen> was unmetered.com, now it's on some other service
[09:05] <theblazehen> No problems before now
[09:09] <theblazehen_> 2959 packets transmitted, 11 received, 99% packet loss, time 35602ms
[09:09] <theblazehen_> :(
[09:14] <inetpro> oh my, someone please go donate alternative power sources to oom Kilos
[09:14] <inetpro> we can't afford to have a channel without him here
[09:14] <GnikLlort> Eskom again?
[09:15] <theblazehen_> Hmm
[09:15] <theblazehen_> Seemed temporary international internet issue
[09:15] <theblazehen_> US server -> EU server had 99% packet loss
[09:15] <theblazehen_> Then ssh connection ZA -> US dropped
[09:15] <theblazehen_> Google went real slow too
[09:15] <theblazehen_> Now it's working again
[09:16] <theblazehen_> US -> EU link too
[09:16] <theblazehen_> also had issue with ZA -> EU thats working now
[10:09] <pavlushka> theblazehen_: ping
[10:12] <mazal> Hi
[10:13] <theblazehen_> hey pavlushka mazal
[10:13] <pavlushka> Hi mazal !
[10:13] <pavlushka> theblazehen_: can you recall the previous convo on ntp?
[10:13] <theblazehen_> pavlushka: Yeah, recommended running strace on it
[10:14] <pavlushka> theblazehen_: how can I do that?
[10:15] <pavlushka> oh, strace is a tracing tool, i see.
[10:16] <theblazehen_> yeah
[10:20] <pavlushka> thanks theblazehen_ :)
[10:20] <theblazehen_> np pavlushka
[10:23] <theblazehen_> tcp is magic
[10:47] <Kilos> hahahahaha clever superfly 
[10:47] <Kilos> did everyone see that
[10:48] <Kilos> hee hee
[10:48] <Kilos> superfly on freenode told me "tell Kilos You need to wind that hamster wheel some more. Or get a new hamster." 3 hours, 40 minutes and 56 seconds ago
[10:48] <Kilos> pta power peeps need more hamsters
[10:49] <Kilos> worked hard all the time on bath with leaking outlet thats been bricked in place 50 years agon
[10:49] <Kilos> tired now
[10:53] <theblazehen> I must be *really* unlucky ..
[10:53] <Kilos> why
[10:53] <theblazehen> Broadcast storm took down office network, *and* my bouncers internet connection is flaky for past while
[10:53] <Kilos> ai!
[10:54] <theblazehen> Was getting 90% loss from even USA server -> EU server
[10:55] <theblazehen> ai
[10:55] <Kilos> ouch
[10:55] <theblazehen> 93% packet loss on dedicated server..
[10:55] <theblazehen> Luckily I have a gigabit line on it so it's stilll fast enough to do irc :)
[10:56] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:56] <theblazehen> Oh weird, hmm
[10:56] <theblazehen> usa server has 90% loss to eu server. 0% from the office
[10:57] <mazal> Shees what a Monday
[10:58] <theblazehen> mazal: You're telling me..
[10:58] <mazal> Everything broken here from screens to fibers
[10:58] <theblazehen> mazal: Ouch
[10:58] <theblazehen> Oh. usa -> eu works now
[10:59] <mazal> and me thinks the rats is too blame for the fiber
[11:00] <mazal> is there a Kubuntu 16.04 user willing to test something for me ?
[11:06]  * pavlushka counting the stars in the daylight
[12:30] <mazal> l8tr all , have a good afternoon
[12:55] <magespawn> good afternoon
[13:22] <Wolfeyes> hey magespawn
[13:22] <Wolfeyes> afternoon everyone
[13:59] <anton_may> cheers all see ya ll tomororw
[13:59] <Kilos> cheers anton_may 
[15:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:19] <magespawn> thinking again Kilos ?
[15:21] <Kilos> yeah
[15:42] <magespawn> home time for me, chat later
[17:14] <paddatrapper> Hey spinza
[17:24] <Kilos> evening fellas
[17:24] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:28] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <locodir-user> Hi, anyone knows of any supplier / distributor / shop / online shop / company that sells Ubuntu-preinstalled PC's, laptops, etc?
[17:43] <Kilos> hi locodir-user 
[17:44] <Kilos> just hang out here for a while someone will answer you
[17:44] <Kilos> there were a few but i didnt keep track of who they were
[17:44] <Kilos> and welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:44] <locodir-user> Can't we list them on a wiki somewhere?
[17:45] <locodir-user> I am sick and tired of MS BS
[17:45] <locodir-user> Just getting rid of silly upgrade nag bars took 2 hours of my life this morning
[17:45] <locodir-user> on office 365
[17:45] <Kilos> we are having many spam attacks on wiki pages atm so edit is a problem
[17:45] <locodir-user> Libreoffice is superior
[17:45] <Kilos> but someone here will remember
[17:45] <locodir-user> for the last 3 "off the beaten track" functions I needed
[17:46] <Kilos> ouch
[17:46] <locodir-user> Hmmm... simple email verification not good enough?
[17:46] <locodir-user> email verification + human verification?
[17:46] <locodir-user> email verification  + human verification + moderator approval?
[17:47] <locodir-user> Where are you based? I'm in CPT 
[17:47] <locodir-user> Hi :-)
[17:47] <Kilos> yeah the guys are working on improving and tightening up security
[17:47] <Kilos> i am in pta but we have quite a few guys down there
[17:48] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[17:48] <locodir-user> Lol
[17:48] <locodir-user> I was just going to ask if you're a bot :-p
[17:48] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:49] <locodir-user> And don't get me started on Ubuntu either. 16.04 they thought they'll get smart and only install drivers for the installation platform with ubuntu server - so good luck installing on one machine for another *ugh*
[17:49] <Kilos> we have had the question of preinstalled ubuntu laptops a few times but i have faulty ram so dont remember things well
[17:50] <Kilos> i am still on 14.04 kubuntu
[17:50] <locodir-user> I'm almost ready to go on a big drive to make sure Pinnacle has pre-installed Ubuntu options
[17:50] <locodir-user> I'm sick and  tired of the MS scourge
[17:50] <Kilos> lol only now?
[17:51] <locodir-user> buying a laptop that is too slow to use out of the box
[17:51] <locodir-user> Have you tried Win10 on a celeron?
[17:51] <locodir-user> ridiculous
[17:51] <Kilos> you can of course ubuntu laptops 
[17:51] <Kilos> import
[17:51] <locodir-user> I predict the 2nd hand market will be flooded with cheap celerons soon 
[17:51] <locodir-user> or new Ubuntu initiates
[17:52] <Kilos> system86 i think they are called
[17:52] <locodir-user> soon as those poor souls get fast enough internet to update to Windows 10
[17:52] <Kilos> ouch
[17:53] <Kilos> locodir-user have you tried buy a laptop without any system installed
[17:53] <locodir-user> Never seen one of those from a bulk retailer or their suppliers
[17:55] <Kilos> in 35 mins most of the guys finish having supper and family time then im sure we will have info
[17:55] <Kilos> locodir-user your first time here?
[17:56] <locodir-user> Cool, just got a new SSD for this shitty celeron laptop, I'll be out for 5 mins as I reboot. Yes... first time clicking on the installer slieshow links 
[17:56] <Kilos> ssd's rock
[17:57] <Kilos> great speed improvement
[17:57] <Kilos> celeron is single core cpu hey?
[17:57] <locodir-user> And battery life improvement... I'm expecting it to double
[17:58] <locodir-user> No I don't think you get single cores any more, they're all dual core but without hyper threading
[17:58] <Kilos> dual core with 4gig ram works fine with ubuntu
[17:58] <locodir-user> they're decent, I've been using Gentoo though, the additional 20-30% speed boost from having something compiled specifically for your CPU helps on a slow box
[17:59] <Kilos> you can download ubuntu and install it yourself
[17:59] <locodir-user> Yup, busy as  we speak...  logged in here from a live session busy installing
[17:59] <Kilos> cool i hope you dont disappear once install is done
[18:00] <locodir-user> Do you use mate or ubuntu, or ubuntu with mate after-installed?
[18:00] <locodir-user> No, I'll come back :-)
[18:00] <Kilos> i have used  both
[18:00] <locodir-user> I mean mint 
[18:00] <Kilos> mate is lighter than unity
[18:00] <Kilos> you can get ubuntu mate desktop
[18:00] <locodir-user> if you install ubuntu and then add mate it should be the same
[18:01] <locodir-user> minus the mint addons
[18:01] <Kilos> mate is in the u buntu repos now
[18:01] <Kilos> i use kubuntu now and totally hooked on it
[18:01] <Kilos> bit heavy on slow machines though
[18:02] <locodir-user> its been there forever, yes. I love kde.... in fact, I honestly tried it on Gentoo for a few months, but it wouldn't remember my customizations grrrr.... so every time I rebooted my folder sizes would be messed up and I didn't have any time for that. 
[18:02] <Kilos> inetpro can you remember where one can buy ubuntu preinstalled lappies
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> on ubuntu 14.04 it is rock solid
[18:03] <locodir-user> Just about the most fun thing I've done with Ubuntu so far was to mirror the whole 280GB of the repo
[18:03] <Kilos> whew
[18:04] <locodir-user> and had a drive where I installed literally everything  I could ever think of needing or wanting to check out
[18:04] <Kilos> you dont use mobile data then
[18:04] <locodir-user> and it took less than 150GB
[18:04] <locodir-user> And ran just as fast as a brand new install
[18:05] <locodir-user> no please no, mobile data is dead to me,  even in CPT CBD
[18:05] <Kilos> expensive too
[18:05] <locodir-user> With "unlimited" or R25/GB. All these cell companies are going to look a lot different in 5 years time
[18:06] <Kilos> go to https://ubuntu-za.org and join our mailing list there. the preinstalled lappy thing has come up often
[18:06] <locodir-user> Their greed has really messed them up
[18:06] <Kilos> yeah
[18:06] <locodir-user> I don't know a single person who as not been screwed over by a telco
[18:06] <Kilos> just drop a mail and hope the relevant guys answer before you get one here
[18:07] <Kilos> i use telkom mobile, no cables on plots or farms
[18:07] <Kilos> copper wires work better in melting pots
[18:09] <Kilos> paddatrapper you in CT hey?
[18:10] <Kilos> ya opposite fly
[18:16] <Kilos> locodir-user look here so long http://is.gd/iZF7aS
[18:19] <locodir-user> I just sold a big share in my company. I'm going to go on a world tour and see how the PC components and laptop industry is glued together, and jab at it with a blowtorch to see what comes off
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:19] <locodir-user> And I'm going to do so as publically as possible... so that if some MS agent tries to take me out everybody knows the score
[18:20] <gremble> Good evening
[18:20] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[18:20] <gremble> paddatrapper, I don't know what SHM is. I have not been doing much physics
[18:21] <gremble> I am sort of just assuming that he can see
[18:21] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[18:21] <Kilos> he will
[18:21] <Kilos> im fine ty and you
[18:22] <Kilos> will be better when it warms up
[18:22] <gremble> I am well thank you. I just gave a statistics class and realise that I don't know as little as I think
[18:22] <Kilos> zipper spoke about haskell today and i told him to keep an eye out for you
[18:22] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:23] <Kilos> you underestimated yourself
[18:25] <gremble> I actually asked one of the writers of the new haskell textbook if I could have a copy since $59 is quite expensive for a lowly South African student. 
[18:26] <gremble> So he gave me one. 
[18:26] <gremble> People are really so nice sometimes.
[18:28] <Kilos> nice
[18:28] <Kilos> hardcopy?
[18:43] <gremble> no. They havnt printed hardcopies yet
[18:44] <Kilos> is it as big as your book is going to be?
[18:45] <gremble> I get all the updates that they make to it. So yes
[18:45] <Kilos> i mean your maths book
[18:45] <Kilos> thinking to compare prices
[18:46] <gremble> Oh, no much smaller. Their textbook is about 1108 pages, mine will probably only be about 180 pages
[18:46] <Kilos> whew
[18:46] <Kilos> so many pages 
[18:47] <Kilos> haskell is a programming language right?
[18:47] <gremble> Yes
[18:48] <paddatrapper> gremble: SHM is simple harmonic motion wrt to time and position
[18:48] <gremble> One of the more fun ones that I have worked with.
[18:48] <paddatrapper> Kilos: yeah I'm in CT
[18:48] <gremble> paddatrapper, oh, those make nice differential equations. I am a bit apprehensive about using time as a variable though, since it is usually more useful as a parameter
[18:48] <gremble> Like when you are doing space curves
[18:48] <gremble> (particle position)
[18:48] <Kilos> you missed that other CT guy paddatrapper i dunno now anymore who is genuine and who isnt
[18:49] <Kilos> ubuntu being attacked all over by spammers
[18:49] <gremble> Kilos, recently or just generally in life?
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Eish
[18:49] <Kilos> all the time the lat month
[18:50] <gremble> That's weird
[18:50] <Kilos> even wiki pages been locked down to try block them
[18:50] <paddatrapper> The Ubuntu laptops, etc are sold by System76
[18:50] <Kilos> and yesterday they got into the etherpad stuff
[18:51] <Kilos> nno there is dell or someone in za that preinstalls ubuntu as well
[18:51] <gremble> You can get a dell pc preinstalled with ubuntu
[18:51] <gremble> I am looking at the XPS range
[18:51] <Kilos> tell maaz where gremble 
[18:52] <Kilos> i forget where when peeps ask
[18:53] <gremble> There are these http://www.dell.com/za/p/inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC
[18:53] <gremble> They are kind of shitty though
[18:53] <Kilos> Maaz ubuntu laptops is <reply> http://www.dell.com/za/p/inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC
[18:53] <Maaz> Kilos: I'll remember that
[18:53] <Kilos> shitty?
[18:55] <Kilos> i read this today in canonical.sysadmin
[18:55] <Kilos> some spammers managed to subscribe to teams which give access to ubuntu-etherpad, so over the weekend we had to remove edit access for ubuntu-etherpad. We're working on removing the abusive edits, and finding a way to manage access which wont allow this kind of trick
[18:56] <gremble> http://www.dell.com/za/p/xps-13-9350-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC these are the other ones that I know of. I haven't went through all of them
[18:56] <Kilos> ty gremble 
[18:56] <gremble> That is surprising. That is a lot of effort for a spammer, to get on a team
[18:56] <Kilos> Maaz forget ubuntu laptops
[18:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:57] <Kilos> Maaz ubuntu laptops is <reply> http://www.dell.com/za/p/xps-13-9350-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC  and http://www.dell.com/za/p/inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu/pd?ref=PD_OC
[18:57] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[18:57] <Kilos> cool next one that asks i can help
[18:58] <paddatrapper> My Internet speed has reduced me to watching SABC3...
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Kilos> run mtr and see where the hassle is
[18:59] <Kilos> man mtr for switches or wait for inetpro to give the right command
[18:59] <Kilos> paddatrapper mtr -nr -c20 -o "LSD NBAW X" 8.8.8.8
[18:59] <gremble> SABC 3 was always interesting because it was the only channel that had like built-in grainy-ness
[19:00] <Kilos> i managed to find one command i saved
[19:04] <paddatrapper> Thanks. Running it now
[19:05] <paddatrapper> Mind helping me translate what I got?
[19:05] <Kilos> hahahahaha
[19:06] <Kilos> you in the same boat as me
[19:06] <Kilos> let me run it and see
[19:06] <paddatrapper> Got 100% loss from ip ???  On the jump after my gateway
[19:06] <paddatrapper> And then again later on
[19:06] <paddatrapper> And of course I cannot connect to anywhere to post it...
[19:07] <Kilos> i got same loss from ??? but no looses after that
[19:08] <Kilos> all those ip's are the sites you go through to get to google i think
[19:08] <paddatrapper> Interestingly I can get google.co.za no problem
[19:08] <Kilos> and the best last avg is ping speeds
[19:09] <gremble> 8.8.8.8 is google's DNS server
[19:09] <Kilos> yes
[19:09] <paddatrapper> Yeah
[19:09] <Kilos> and 8844 i think
[19:09] <gremble> That is all I know from that command :P
[19:10] <paddatrapper> I can't even check my usage on Telkom's site
[19:10] <Kilos> on 8.8.8.8 my avg is 41
[19:10] <Kilos> number 11 here
[19:10] <Kilos> other heavy losses are bad jumps
[19:11] <Kilos> haha i think thats how you say it
[19:12] <paddatrapper> Think they are called hops, but never been too sure!
[19:13] <Kilos> im a greeter bot my i can say hello and welcome quite efficiently
[19:13] <Kilos> other stuff is work
[19:13] <paddatrapper> Lol
[19:13] <Kilos> s/my/man
[19:14] <Kilos> even gremble stayed here after i greeted and welcomed him so sweetly
[19:14] <Kilos> and MaNI 
[19:14] <gremble> #trueStory
[19:16] <paddatrapper> Looking at the DNS resolves it drops accessing the local Telkom exchange and when it leaves the Telkom network
[19:17] <Kilos> there are many interestin tools one can use but best is fone your isp and complain
[19:17] <paddatrapper> Interestingly Google has a server on Telkom's network, so the International jump doesn't happen and so I can access it
[19:17] <Kilos> run speedtest.net by ookla and give your isp the results
[19:18] <paddatrapper> I can't access speedtest.net :(
[19:18] <Kilos> oh my
[19:18] <Kilos> fone and complain
[19:18] <paddatrapper> Never mind I spoke to soon! It works
[19:18] <Kilos> you on mobile or adsl
[19:19] <paddatrapper> IRC - mobile, speedtest.net - Telkom ADSL
[19:20] <paddatrapper> Apparently I have 2mbps down and 0.5mbps up...
[19:20] <Kilos> adsl it seems you wait inline for improvements , mobile takes 2 weeks
[19:20] <Kilos> i get 4.8 down and 2.5 up
[19:21] <paddatrapper> Yup. I end up phoning them often.... The support is flaky...
[19:21] <gremble> That is not bad
[19:21] <paddatrapper> That's what I pay for, so I'd be happy if I could use it
[19:22] <Kilos> 084 196 4466
[19:23] <Kilos> if you dont get satisfaction email their ceo or tweet telkomsa
[19:23] <paddatrapper> Kilos: thanks
[19:23] <Kilos> tweeting seems to work because its public
[19:24] <paddatrapper> Reckon I should setup that bot that automatically tweets when my speed drops out
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <gremble> You'll probably spam the shit out of them
[19:25] <gremble> :P
[19:25] <Kilos> telkom adsl seems to suck in many areas
[19:26] <gremble> Especially telecommunications
[19:27] <paddatrapper> I so want to change, but the rest of the family are scared of Telkom and any new ISP just blaming each other for any problems
[19:28] <Kilos> thats the modern way
[19:28] <Kilos> pass the buck
[19:30] <Kilos> i do it often'
[19:31] <Kilos> im tired anf forgetful because fly and pro got me invilved in too much
[19:31] <Kilos> involved
[19:31] <Kilos> all their fault
[19:31] <paddatrapper> Lol
[19:32] <Kilos> oh, some medical news
[19:32] <gremble> But it is good to be busy. It prevents your brain getting old
[19:32] <Kilos> for warts pick a fig leaf
[19:32] <Kilos> and put the milk that comes out on the wart
[19:32] <gremble> And then freeze it off with liquid nitrogen? :P
[19:33] <Kilos> when dry put bandage on
[19:33] <Kilos> if bandae gets wet start again
[19:33] <Kilos> warts will die
[19:35] <gremble> That is interesting. Warts are caused by one of the Human Papilloma virusses
[19:35] <gremble> And they are contagious
[19:35] <paddatrapper> I like liquid nitrogen!
[19:35] <Kilos> fig leaf milk has something in it that kill them
[19:36] <Kilos> that remedy is twice as old as i am
[19:37] <paddatrapper> It's also a very good one
[19:38] <gremble> I have distrust in "naturism". I will just apply a statistically verified remedy, I am fine with that.
[19:38] <Kilos> oh in place of bandage put plaster
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> liquid nitrogen damages surrounding tissue as well so heling takes longer
[19:39] <Kilos> healing
[19:40] <gremble> That is only one of the remedies apparently. There are some other stuff that they use as topical antivirals
[19:40] <gremble> Luckily I don't have warts, so it is fine
[19:40] <gremble> :P
[19:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:42] <Kilos> oh my look at the time
[19:42] <Kilos> and inetpro still hasnt logged in
[19:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:43] <inetpro> says who?
[19:43] <Kilos> we really need to dig out the sjambok
[19:43] <Kilos> hee hee gotcha
[19:43] <Kilos> rofl
[19:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[19:43] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[19:43] <Kilos> you leave me to sukkel alone hey
[19:44] <Kilos> now i can sleep happy
[19:44]  * inetpro has no idea what he is referring to
[19:44] <Kilos> you still alive man
[19:44] <Kilos> so i can nag you tomorrow
[19:45] <Kilos> dunno bout what yet but something will come up
[19:45] <paddatrapper> inetpro: we are trying to diagnose my very poor Internet
[19:45] <Kilos> yes inetpro fixit
[19:45] <inetpro> paddatrapper: adsl?
[19:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:46] <Kilos> ohh lookit
[19:46] <paddatrapper> inetpro: Yup, telkom... But seems to be fine now
[19:47] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xombrero?field.series_filter=trusty
[19:47] <Kilos> light weight browser
[19:47] <Kilos> ty DalekSec 
[19:50] <paddatrapper> Pretty cool
[19:52] <Kilos> night everyone
[19:52] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:53] <Kilos> inetpro superfly that includes you
[19:53] <inetpro> goeienag oom
[20:06] <DalekSec> Sure, though it's in the repos, just built against gtk3.
[20:46] <paddatrapper> Night everyone