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| popey | hello - does anyone recognise this person from the Kubuntu commnuity? https://launchpad.net/~k-abraham ? | 08:53 |
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| valorie | popey: looks brand new -- they have not checked in here that I know of | 09:09 |
| popey | thanks valorie | 09:09 |
| valorie | devels -- Notes finally got fixed, so I grabbed our packaging notes and began to massage them into something at https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging#Getting_Started | 09:10 |
| valorie | looks like crap, and half of it will have to be moved elsewhere or just removed | 09:10 |
| valorie | but it's started | 09:10 |
| valorie | niters | 09:10 |
| mparillo | New Plasma and Frameworks are available in staging (not landing), correct? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma | 09:23 |
| mparillo | And that is for YY or XX? | 09:23 |
| soee | mparillo: yes | 09:39 |
| mparillo | as well as yes to both yy and xx? | 09:40 |
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| soee | mparillo: yes | 09:43 |
| clivejo | what is Qt5TextToSpeech and where can I get it? | 09:47 |
| soee | it is mentioned in this old post http://www.aegiap.eu/kdeblog/2015/08/kdepim-5-0/ | 09:51 |
| soee | KDE pim 5.0 - Add support for texttospeech based on Qt5TextToSpeech (which is not release yet). | 09:52 |
| soee | clivejo: [11:53] <Riddell> soee: something that hasn't been released yet I think | 09:53 |
| yofel | there are components that've optionally required that for the last 2 years or so | 09:54 |
| yofel | but nobody ever makes a release for it | 09:54 |
| soee | [11:54] <Riddell> https://wiki.qt.io/QtSpeech | 09:54 |
| yofel | so, /ignore IMO | 09:54 |
| yofel | or feel free to package a snapshot if you think it's useful | 09:54 |
| clivejo | seems to be for notifications, just thought it would be handy is they could be spoken! | 09:56 |
| soee | rather spooky :D | 09:57 |
| clivejo | could be useful for some people | 09:57 |
| soee | and is some cases retardet when it would read the same text 3 times :D | 09:57 |
| * soee needs to file a bug .. | 09:57 | |
| clivejo | its your language soee!! | 09:57 |
| soee | :( | 09:58 |
| soee | clivejo: i see F 5.22 almost ready :) | 09:58 |
| clivejo | maybe its like certain Iriish accents where you repeat yourself | 09:58 |
| clivejo | to be sure, be sure, be sure | 09:58 |
| soee | i asked about it on #plasma but had not response, so i better file a bug | 09:58 |
| clivejo | yofel: did you see my question about networkmanager-qt last night? | 09:59 |
| * clivejo is getting a bit sick of FW | 10:00 | |
| clivejo | lots of merge marker left in stuff for some reason | 10:00 |
| clivejo | and no i386 support | 10:00 |
| clivejo | is there any way to put KCI into an interactive mode where it will build my packages first? | 10:05 |
| clivejo | I dont see the point in building packages that are going to fail :/ | 10:06 |
| soee | that i do not know :/ | 10:06 |
| yofel | no, and now's lunch, bbl | 10:11 |
| yofel | I see it in the log, just didn't read it | 10:11 |
| clivejo | grrrr | 10:12 |
| clivejo | need to grab kwallet v5.22.0-rc2 from depot | 10:12 |
| clivejo | yofel: do I call the package the same ie 5.22.0-rc2 ? | 10:13 |
| yofel | clivejo: you call it 5.22.0a | 10:45 |
| clivejo | ok | 10:45 |
| clivejo | cant find it anyways | 10:45 |
| yofel | or I guess +rc2 would work, but 'a' is what we usually did | 10:45 |
| yofel | sucks as the scripts can't handle that | 10:45 |
| * yofel sees symbol failures in plasma-framework | 10:46 | |
| yofel | I don't want to do this anymore -.- | 10:47 |
| clivejo | yofel: Ive just fixed those in yakkety_archive | 10:49 |
| yofel | they're ok to remove? | 10:49 |
| * yofel didn't really look at them | 10:50 | |
| clivejo | it was merged with debian and full of merge markers | 10:50 |
| yofel | how did that cause missing symbols? | 10:50 |
| clivejo | sorry, maybe we talking about something different | 10:51 |
| clivejo | Im working on FW5.22 | 10:51 |
| yofel | I'm talking about the MISSING symbols | 10:51 |
| clivejo | why am I getting emails about " Alessia's birthday" | 10:53 |
| yofel | SPAM? | 10:53 |
| clivejo | seems like a full blown conversation | 10:54 |
| clivejo | this coming Wednesday (May 11th) will be Alessia’s birthday and she would love to bring to school some muffins to celebrate with her classmates. | 10:54 |
| clivejo | Is it possible? Do you prefer Alessia will bring the sweets by herself or could I come to take some pictures too? | 10:54 |
| clivejo | …and at what time should I come? | 10:54 |
| yofel | dunno | 10:54 |
| yofel | ah, symbols are fine, o k | 10:54 |
| clivejo | isnt this the girl that asked for stickers? | 10:54 |
| yofel | oh right, there was that | 10:55 |
| clivejo | Im gonna delete it | 10:55 |
| clivejo | Ive no interest in cupcakes! | 10:55 |
| clivejo | yofel: can you scan over http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.22.0_yakkety.html | 10:57 |
| yofel | looks green? | 10:57 |
| clivejo | kwayland is still messing about, and Im trying to fix it | 10:57 |
| clivejo | but are the orange ok to ignore | 10:57 |
| yofel | kfilemetadata and kwayland need fixing | 10:59 |
| yofel | and kactivities needs paying attention | 10:59 |
| yofel | the rest is ~ok | 10:59 |
| yofel | the manpage stuff should maybe be looked at | 11:00 |
| yofel | as in: where to file bugs | 11:00 |
| clivejo | kwayland and kfilemetadata should be fixed when the pakages build | 11:04 |
| soee | \o/ | 11:04 |
| clivejo | whats wrong with kactivities? | 11:04 |
| clivejo | Im seeing Cmake warnings, but dunno how I can fix them | 11:05 |
| clivejo | but it seems to be building and installing ok | 11:06 |
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| yofel | clivejo: it's the big warning that updating just kactivities frameworks will certainly break your activities | 11:15 |
| yofel | so we have yet another frameworks release that's not backwards comatible | 11:16 |
| yofel | I don't want to do this anymore | 11:16 |
| soee | thy are not ? | 11:18 |
| yofel | soee: well, you do remember how your activities worked when you installed frameworksk for the first time? | 11:34 |
| soee | yofel: i do not ;/ | 11:38 |
| yofel | hm, might've been someone else then | 11:38 |
| soee | yofel: but what Frameworsk version are you talking about - the very first or current ? | 11:40 |
| yofel | both | 11:40 |
| soee | at first activities didn't work to well | 11:40 |
| soee | now almost all works fine except the bug with switching them | 11:41 |
| yofel | right, but you're on plasma 5.6 too | 11:41 |
| soee | yofel: but why this one is the problem [13:16] <yofel> so we have yet another frameworks release that's not backwards comatible ? | 11:43 |
| yofel | because technically, kde is marketing frameworks, plasma and apps as 3 distinct components, and we are packaging them like that | 11:44 |
| yofel | when in fact, there's cross-dependencies, side-effects and compatibility issues all over the place | 11:45 |
| yofel | which makes our life harder than it needs to be | 11:45 |
| * yofel wants the KDE SC back | 11:45 | |
| yofel | that was EASY | 11:45 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:57 |
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| clivejo | yofel: was me had the activities stop working | 12:56 |
| clivejo | kactivitymanagerd is now part of plasma, which I packaged in 5.6.3 | 13:00 |
| clivejo | but where is kactivities-workspace | 13:02 |
| yofel | yay, the wiki lost my developer application | 13:33 |
| yofel | I think I'll move back to tanglu development. Unlike ubuntu that's actually fun | 13:33 |
| soee | tanglu is so outdated with their packages it seems | 13:36 |
| yofel | yes, because ximion is working on appstream and whatever the limba successor is, and I'm working on kubuntu | 13:37 |
| yofel | it wouldn't be so outdated if someone would actually be doing something | 13:37 |
| soee | ;) | 13:38 |
| mamarley | For what it is worth, I hope you stay. Kubuntu is already short on people and I'm not sure it could survive without you. | 13:38 |
| yofel | I guess so, but doing stuff out of obligation is not particulary fun, esp. as I'm doing this for free. And holding the senior dev position here has mostly been a frustration loop lately | 13:40 |
| yofel | spending time on other things has improved my mood a bit, but any time I work here it goes down far faster then it goes up | 13:41 |
| mamarley | I maintain 10 Kubuntu systems for myself and various other people, and I have no idea what I would do if Kubuntu wasn't a thing anymore. The combination of recent KDE packages with recent under-the-hood stuff and plenty of PPAs to fill in the gaps is unmatched as far as I can tell. I have evaluated several other KDE distros and none of them even come close. | 13:44 |
| acheron88 | Tried other KDE distos here as well, and nothing else allows me to get what I want for a system with minimum hassle | 13:45 |
| soee | +1 | 13:47 |
| acheron88 | If kubuntu started lagging behind I would be stuck | 13:47 |
| mamarley | I mean, I would do fine with something like Arch, but that wouldn't be acceptable for the systems I maintain for other people. I looked at Fedora, they have recent KDE packages, but either very out-of-date packages or no packages at all for other stuff I use. I checked OpenSuSE, they have recent KDE packages but their base system is too out-of-date for some of the newer hardware I am supporting. | 13:47 |
| mamarley | Kubuntu is just the best KDE distro around. | 13:47 |
| acheron88 | Yes, tried Arch and it's nicely up to date, but fragile | 13:49 |
| acheron88 | With a kubuntu/ubuntu/debian system, I know how to bend it to my needs without breaking it | 13:50 |
| mamarley | yofel: What are the problems that make you sad? Maybe there is something we can do about them. | 13:50 |
| * soee going for mile and cookies ... :) | 13:54 | |
| yofel | not sure if you can. Problem is that I'll have to make up my mind what I want to do here. I'm currently holding a position without actually having all the permissions that I would need to actually do the job, which means I spent lots of time with just "paperwork". | 13:58 |
| yofel | But as I'm also the only experienced packager here, I'm spending most of my time explaining stuff to people, and running around attaching band-aids in a hundred different places which eats up all my time. | 13:58 |
| yofel | So at the end of the day, kde devs make my life hard, which is exponentiated by me missing permissions, and me spending time on stuff that I actually don't have any time for if I wanted to fix the permission issue or improve out workflow | 13:58 |
| yofel | I would love to continue working on 16.04 because it's still buggy as hell, but that means that I will completely ignore yakkety and any new kde work until mid-august | 13:58 |
| acheron88 | rock and hard place then | 13:59 |
| mamarley | Might it be possible to use any of the work from the KDE Neon project to help out? | 14:00 |
| yofel | sure, we could also just sync frameworks 5.21 from debian experimental, but it looks like our packagers would much rather spend their time on working on it themselves....... | 14:00 |
| acheron88 | not sure what the internal politics are, but I'm astounded you don't have permissions required | 14:01 |
| yofel | acheron88: well, I was always just a side contributor in the past, so I never applied to them. But to apply for them I would need an actual work record in the field - which I don't have because I spend time on other stuff | 14:01 |
| mamarley | I'm sure anyone in here would be willing to vouch for you and all the work you did on Xenial. | 14:02 |
| yofel | so it's a bit of a chicken and egg problem | 14:02 |
| acheron88 | I see. | 14:02 |
| mamarley | I definitely would, if my opinion counts for anything. | 14:02 |
| yofel | mamarley: the problem is: to appy for motu/core-dev, I would have to do motu/core-dev stuff that is URELATED to kubuntu | 14:03 |
| yofel | but I'm spending all my time on kubuntu to not let it fall apart, so there's no time for that | 14:03 |
| mamarley | That's dumb. | 14:03 |
| yofel | I guess I could apply for motu and at least get enough recommendations for that | 14:04 |
| yofel | except that I could still not be a release manager because that requires core-dev | 14:04 |
| yofel | but for that I would have to do stuff in 'main' | 14:04 |
| mamarley | It is a start, I guess. | 14:04 |
| acheron88 | It makes sense for a ubuntu flavour that is well resourced | 14:04 |
| marco-parillo | soee: Thanks for the tip. I picked an XX vm, and I added staging-plasma. Software Updates running now. | 14:17 |
| BluesKaj | well soee, plasma 5.6.3 eventually broke my setup and made it unusable. I'm on my fallback Xenail and after akernel upgrade it's acting up now as well , not having a good day ;/ | 14:23 |
| marco-parillo | I think I successfully upgraded to Plasma 5.6.3, but I got two errors: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/libdiscover.mo', which is also in package libdiscovercommon 5.5.4-0ubuntu1 | 14:39 |
| marco-parillo | And trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.muon.repo.conf', which is also in package libdiscovercommon 5.5.4-0ubuntu1 | 14:39 |
| yofel | please paste the full errors, that doesn't say *what* tried to overwrite them | 14:45 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> clivejo this one? ppa:clivejo/xenial | 14:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> is clivejo around? | 14:52 |
| yofel | at least his bouncer is, he was here earlier | 14:55 |
| marco-parillo | This is my konsole session trying to update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16346597/ As I said, kinfocenter says I am on 5.6.3, and it looks different and seems to work fine (no immediate problems). | 14:57 |
| soee | marco-parillo: what language are you using in the system ? | 14:58 |
| BluesKaj | activities working ok, marco-parillo? | 14:58 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin I am now :) | 14:59 |
| marco-parillo | soee: en_US | 15:01 |
| marco-parillo | BluesKaj: I can create a new activity, and switch to it using the hamburger. However, there are no activity templates. | 15:05 |
| clivejo | ko = korean? | 15:09 |
| clivejo | why are KDE install all lanuages alongside the packages? | 15:09 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> clivejo is this the one? ppa:clivejo/xenial? | 15:16 |
| clivejo | yes | 15:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> but it has other stuff in there | 15:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> ok... | 15:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> I'll add it and test only that one | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | marco-parillo: right , my actiities were locked and wouldn't launch the linked apps | 15:17 |
| clivejo | only install the networkmanager-qt package from it | 15:17 |
| clivejo | then disable it | 15:17 |
| marco-parillo | BluesKaj: I also was able to switch between activities using meta tab. | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | clivejo: I tried to , disabling didn't help | 15:18 |
| clivejo | yofel: will plasma-nm need rebuilt? | 15:18 |
| yofel | is there a reason for it? | 15:19 |
| clivejo | I dont know how that stack works | 15:19 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> clivejo: no such package networkmanager-qt | 15:20 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> ..... | 15:20 |
| yofel | and I don't have time to look at it, sorry | 15:20 |
| ovidiuflorin | I see it in the ppa on LP | 15:20 |
| ovidiuflorin | but apt refuses to locate it | 15:20 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: that package would be libkf5networkmanagerqt6 | 15:20 |
| ovidiuflorin | muaaaaa?! | 15:21 |
| ovidiuflorin | restarting netowrk manager | 15:21 |
| ovidiuflorin | brb | 15:21 |
| ovidiuflorin | ok, back | 15:22 |
| ovidiuflorin | clivejo: it works | 15:25 |
| ovidiuflorin | thank you | 15:25 |
| ovidiuflorin | :D:D: | 15:25 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: can you open a LP bug for this | 15:25 |
| clivejo | we need to get it SRU | 15:25 |
| clivejo | there are a lot of papercuts in Xenial need attention | 15:26 |
| ovidiuflorin | ok, what should I say in the bug? | 15:26 |
| ovidiuflorin | open the bug on this package? | 15:26 |
| clivejo | yes | 15:26 |
| clivejo | networkmanager-qt | 15:26 |
| clivejo | say what the problem is | 15:26 |
| clivejo | Ive never seen the bug, so I have no idea | 15:27 |
| clivejo | something about connecting to VPNS | 15:27 |
| ovidiuflorin | to VPN | 15:27 |
| ovidiuflorin | any VPN | 15:27 |
| clivejo | yeah, well you know more about that side of it | 15:27 |
| clivejo | maybe link to the KDE bug, detailing the fix | 15:28 |
| clivejo | and Ill attact the patch | 15:28 |
| clivejo | Ill then try and get some of the release team guys to help me get the patch into the archive | 15:29 |
| clivejo | yofel: did you experience this bug too, with the VPN's? | 15:29 |
| yofel | vpns? no. It might solve a different issue I had though | 15:30 |
| clivejo | could you try it? | 15:30 |
| yofel | not for another 2 hours | 15:30 |
| clivejo | no prob | 15:30 |
| clivejo | I gotta go do a few things | 15:30 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: please post the LP bug in here and ping me when you do | 15:31 |
| clivejo | Ill look at it later | 15:31 |
| ovidiuflorin | clivejo: ping | 15:31 |
| ovidiuflorin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1580229 | 15:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1580229 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu) "VPN is broken in Xenial" [Undecided,New] | 15:31 |
| clivejo | great, thanks :) | 15:31 |
| ovidiuflorin | ;) | 15:31 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: would you like to follow this path with me? | 15:32 |
| clivejo | ie learn how a SRU works and how to do it? | 15:32 |
| ovidiuflorin | sure | 15:32 |
| ovidiuflorin | can we use BBB? | 15:32 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: heres a bit of info for a start - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 15:33 |
| clivejo | and I catch up with you later | 15:33 |
| soee | uhm | 16:06 |
| soee | https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-16.04.1.php | 16:06 |
| marco-parillo | Does anybody running Plasma 5.6.3 auto-hide the panel? I thought it was working, and I was playing with Activities, and now it looks as if the windows think it is auto-hidden, but the panel is always on top, because the bottom of the windows are hidden.. | 16:08 |
| * sgclark runs applications | 16:09 | |
| soee | marco-parillo: i think i had similar issue and it was due to some configuration | 16:10 |
| soee | test it on fresh account maybe | 16:10 |
| soee | sgclark: 16.04.1 | 16:10 |
| soee | ? | 16:10 |
| sgclark | sure I have already been working on 16.04.0 | 16:12 |
| sgclark | and sorry about your frustrations yofel, I am afraid it will only get worse when my internship starts | 16:13 |
| soee | will it work if not all 16.04 were packed yet ? | 16:13 |
| sgclark | yes | 16:13 |
| soee | cool :) | 16:13 |
| yofel | depends. Less people working on packaging means my review-queue fills slower. So yes, you'll be missed - but not completely :P | 16:14 |
| yofel | and you concentrate on your internship. We can figure things out after that | 16:15 |
| soee | so the status is: we have 16.04.x apps to finish + backport, Plasma 5.6.4 to finish and backport (5.6.3 already done) and Frameworks 5.22 to backport | 16:20 |
| soee | what takes longer: fixing package or waiting till it build and check if it was fine ? | 16:23 |
| yofel | latter | 16:24 |
| yofel | most of the time | 16:24 |
| yofel | if you build locally, ccache helps. On LP you just have to wait | 16:25 |
| soee | can't we have do it on some own nice VPS ? | 16:25 |
| yofel | unless you spend a lot of money on it, you're probably better of waiting for launchpad | 16:25 |
| yofel | I can provide containers for people that want it | 16:26 |
| yofel | but not everyone likes working over ssh | 16:26 |
| yofel | and then there's ssh/gpg key access issues and whatnot | 16:26 |
| soee | :< | 16:27 |
| soee | what are good specs for uch VPS so the builds go fast? | 16:27 |
| yofel | the launchpad builders are actually really powerful, so they beat any "cheap" VPS by far. | 16:28 |
| yofel | you could probably beat launchpad with some 8 cores or so. 6 might do it already | 16:28 |
| yofel | 4 if you repeatedly build the same thing and use ccache | 16:29 |
| soee | well we have here in Poland pretty cheap one but they use OpenVZ so am not sure if we can manimulate system sas we want | 16:30 |
| yofel | I'm testing the somewhat new x86 machines from scaleway, they offer you a 6 CPU 8 GiB machine for ~10€/m | 16:31 |
| soee | so 6 vcpu x 3.5GHz, 8GB ram, 60 GB sdd pcie | 16:31 |
| yofel | they work reasonably well, but they're still Atom server CPUs | 16:32 |
| yofel | which is ok for the price... | 16:32 |
| soee | well i have for my one the one i mentioned and works fine :) | 16:33 |
| soee | also having smaller one for gitlab | 16:33 |
| yofel | yeah, that's a pretty good server for most purposes | 16:34 |
| soee | it is ~ 150.00 €/y | 16:35 |
| soee | but if you have 2 items you have 10% discount on each | 16:35 |
| soee | and 10+ 15% | 16:36 |
| soee | after 1 year also discount | 16:36 |
| yofel | sweet. I guess the only thing I don't like is OpenVZ. Yes, it does the job for most purposes, but I constantly run into situations where the system doesn't behave how I want. So I'm trying to stay away from that lately | 16:37 |
| soee | :) i have it for 2 months so far, i used debian on it and works fine | 16:37 |
| soee | last month with 1 time payment ~ 72 € they increased my mid plan to the highest i mentioned but staing on the lower one pricing :) | 16:39 |
| yofel | :D | 16:39 |
| soee | so atm. it costs me ~ 75 €/y without discounts | 16:40 |
| yofel | FWIW. I would really like to see if we could replace LP with our own build system for KCI. Jenkins spends >50% of the job time just waiting on the launchpad publisher (that's why the bot always prints results in batches) | 16:41 |
| yofel | oh, now that's cheap. lucky you ;P | 16:41 |
| soee | :D | 16:41 |
| soee | hmm, after 1 year renew has 20% discount, 2 years 25%, 3 years 30% :) | 16:43 |
| yofel | that makes sense as you probably won't get the hardware replaced. Otherwise you end up changing contracts to get a reasonable price again | 16:44 |
| soee | so for example, you have 2 vps = 10% discount for each, after 1 year you have +20% discount and if you renew for next year + 20% | 16:44 |
| soee | = 50% :) | 16:44 |
| yofel | which is a PITA | 16:44 |
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| marco-parillo | soee: I created a new user (for some reason creating one without a password did not work for me), and yes, the auto-hide panel does not seem to work. | 17:17 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: someone else reported that error "'gateway-ping-timeout' of type 'guint'" for something | 17:49 |
| yofel | clivejo: nmqt works, thanks | 18:19 |
| yofel | that happens when editing any network connection, so you don't need a vpn for the testcase | 18:20 |
| clivejo | yofel: does this diff look ok to you - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/258690910/networkmanager-qt_5.18.0-0ubuntu2_5.18.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04~ppa1.diff.gz | 18:24 |
| clivejo | should I drop the ppa build info from the version number before I submit it? | 18:25 |
| yofel | the version has to be ubuntu1.1 | 18:26 |
| clivejo | well I need to fill in the LP bug number anys | 18:26 |
| yofel | no, wait | 18:27 |
| yofel | yes, 1.1 | 18:27 |
| yofel | In the changelog please add "Add" before "Upstream" | 18:28 |
| yofel | in the patch, remove lines 3-8 | 18:32 |
| yofel | and after you add the bug #, it should be fine | 18:32 |
| ovidiuflorin | clivejo: so my bug report is no good? | 18:33 |
| yofel | the bug is ok in itself, just needs a description rewrite for the SRU | 18:34 |
| yofel | hm, lp 1577923 sounds like a dup | 18:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1577923 [Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569674 | 18:39 |
| yofel | ok, I didn't look that close :D | 18:40 |
| yofel | hm, that also complains about the guint value | 18:41 |
| yofel | ovidiuflorin: mind if I fold your bug into the other one? | 18:48 |
| ovidiuflorin | not at all | 18:48 |
| yofel | thanks | 18:48 |
| * ovidiuflorin is drooling over http://www.amazon.com/SawStop-PCS31230-TGP252-Professional-Assembly-Extension/dp/B005HPWE5W?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_g469_i5_r | 18:48 | |
| * yofel wouldn't have a use for it, but nice indeed | 18:49 | |
| yofel | clivejo: please change the bug in the changelog to 1569674 | 18:49 |
| yofel | clivejo: I copied over the SRU description, updated the status and added the xenial task | 18:53 |
| yofel | can you give me a debdiff for yakkety so I can get that uploaded? | 18:53 |
| soee | clivejo: will you backport 5.22 ? | 18:53 |
| yofel | or you do the git tagging yourself, but that's a bit tricky | 18:53 |
| tazz | hello yofel long time no see. :) How are you? | 18:55 |
| yofel | tazz: well enough | 18:56 |
| yofel | long time no see indeed :) | 18:56 |
| soee | https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.4.php | 18:59 |
| clivejo | soee: Im reaching for my trout! | 19:02 |
| clivejo | yofel: isnt the patch in 5.22? | 19:02 |
| yofel | clivejo: no SRU before the fix isn't in yakkety-release, so 5.22 doesn't help | 19:03 |
| clivejo | oh | 19:03 |
| yofel | or well, it would help, if you find someone to upload it | 19:03 |
| yofel | I can't | 19:03 |
| clivejo | so it becomes ubuntu2 in YY? | 19:03 |
| yofel | so it's faster to just upload the same fix to both | 19:03 |
| yofel | yes | 19:03 |
| clivejo | but 1.1 in a distro out the door | 19:03 |
| clivejo | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/258843923/networkmanager-qt_5.18.0-0ubuntu1_5.18.0-0ubuntu1.1.diff.gz | 19:04 |
| clivejo | that look better? | 19:04 |
| yofel | s/Closes LP: #1569674/(LP: #1569674)/ | 19:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569674 | 19:05 |
| clivejo | grrrrr | 19:05 |
| yofel | and you dropped the exended description from the patch, which was fine | 19:05 |
| yofel | instead remove the '---' | 19:05 |
| yofel | *extended | 19:06 |
| clivejo | you said to drop lines 3-8? | 19:06 |
| yofel | you removed 2-7 | 19:06 |
| clivejo | oh, that diff is different to the one I have locally | 19:10 |
| yofel | just pastebin a debdiff | 19:10 |
| clivejo | I hate LP debdiff | 19:11 |
| yofel | man debdiff? | 19:11 |
| clivejo | its comparing it to a test upload I deleted | 19:11 |
| yofel | yes, just do it locally... | 19:11 |
| * clivejo cries | 19:13 | |
| clivejo | why does KDE Paste always password protect my pastes | 19:13 |
| clivejo | https://paste.kde.org/ploko8ggt | 19:14 |
| clivejo | 3rd time lucky | 19:14 |
| yofel | clivejo: https://paste.kde.org/pbqzrzfwd | 19:19 |
| clivejo | line 7, should there be a leading space? | 19:20 |
| yofel | doesn't need to be | 19:20 |
| clivejo | I removed it | 19:20 |
| yofel | ah hm, c&p somehow added that | 19:21 |
| clivejo | nano colours the diff, and it didnt look right :P | 19:21 |
| clivejo | yofel: is it always this difficult to make fixes? | 19:23 |
| clivejo | just seems so unreasonable difficult :/ | 19:23 |
| yofel | not if you get it right on the first try | 19:23 |
| yofel | but the archive admins are rather pedantic, that's why I'm so nitpicky here | 19:24 |
| yofel | but yes, the SRU procedure is a bit verbose regarding steps and paperwork. So that regressions are as unlikely as possible | 19:25 |
| clivejo | but surely the original bug is a regression :/ | 19:26 |
| yofel | yes 'regression-release', 'regression-update' counts as worse | 19:26 |
| clivejo | ok I uploaded to a clean PPA - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/frameworks/+packages | 19:27 |
| clivejo | hopefully get a decent debdiff on that | 19:27 |
| yofel | really, please pastebin me a debdiff yourself | 19:27 |
| yofel | so that you learn how to do that when someone else asks you for it | 19:27 |
| yofel | and I mean *without* launchpad | 19:28 |
| clivejo | I know how to do it, but its just should a LONG process! | 19:28 |
| yofel | running a command is a long process o.O? | 19:28 |
| clivejo | have to get the original source again | 19:29 |
| yofel | huh, what did you start with in the first place? | 19:29 |
| yofel | the original dsc should still be there, no? | 19:29 |
| clivejo | I dget the dsc file from xenial archive | 19:29 |
| yofel | right, so use that? | 19:30 |
| clivejo | unpack the .orig and .debian | 19:30 |
| clivejo | Ive deleted them since | 19:30 |
| yofel | well, don't do that ^^ | 19:30 |
| yofel | and did you unpack them by hand? dpkg-source does that | 19:30 |
| clivejo | see I do stuff the long and hard way | 19:30 |
| clivejo | how would you do it? | 19:31 |
| yofel | let me try | 19:31 |
| clivejo | share your wisdom almighty yofel! | 19:31 |
| yofel | "pull-lp-source networkmanager-qt xenial" | 19:31 |
| yofel | then would come updating the package, debuild -S, then debdiff old.dsc new.dsc and I have a debdiff | 19:32 |
| yofel | or I would work on git, but with uscan broken I would still do pull-lp-source inside build-area so gbp works | 19:33 |
| * clivejo creates a new kate file | 19:33 | |
| clivejo | Pearls_Of_Wisdom.txt | 19:33 |
| yofel | lol | 19:33 |
| clivejo | where is that script coming from? | 19:33 |
| clivejo | dev-tools? | 19:33 |
| yofel | ubuntu-dev-tools | 19:34 |
| clivejo | the pul-lp-source | 19:34 |
| yofel | there's also a pull-ppa-source in kubuntu-dev-tools, which is also handy | 19:34 |
| clivejo | ok, so I used that and got the source and its unpacked it for me :) | 19:35 |
| clivejo | like magic | 19:35 |
| yofel | that's the point :P | 19:36 |
| yofel | it really just downloads and run dpkg-source -x | 19:36 |
| yofel | *runs | 19:36 |
| clivejo | but me didnt know this! | 19:36 |
| clivejo | Ive been doing it all manually | 19:36 |
| clivejo | like an idiot! | 19:36 |
| yofel | well, good that we fixed that then | 19:36 |
| clivejo | so would you create two folders, orig and new? | 19:38 |
| clivejo | to keep them seperate? | 19:38 |
| yofel | no, I only use one unpacked source. You just have to be careful to not run debuild without changing the version | 19:38 |
| yofel | debdiff only needs the dsc's and unpacks the relevant versions internally again | 19:39 |
| clivejo | ok I but the archive source into a folder called orig | 19:41 |
| clivejo | run debdiff on them https://paste.kde.org/pi9hns9xu | 19:41 |
| clivejo | BTW: regarding symbols, I wget the buildlogs, gzip -d them and run batchpatch | 19:42 |
| yofel | the "Closes" is unnecessary (that's the debian syntax), but I can work with that | 19:43 |
| clivejo | is there a magic way? | 19:43 |
| yofel | hm, there was this kubuntu-update-symbols script in kubuntu-dev-tools, but I believe that only works on the primary archive | 19:44 |
| yofel | I usually do it the same as you | 19:44 |
| yofel | clivejo: I'll upload the same thing to yakkety | 19:45 |
| soee | yofel: hard hard it would be to have own infrastructure that builds stuff for us and than when it builds fine upload it to launchpad for final build ? | 19:48 |
| yofel | somewhat tricky as you need a buildsystem. debile is fairly easy to use (runs buildd.tanglu.org) and aptly a pretty nice backend (used by neon) | 19:49 |
| yofel | but LP does the job rather well and we get it for free | 19:49 |
| yofel | for the CI it *might* make sense, but there we should see first if waiting for the publisher is really necessary | 19:50 |
| === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Yakkety open, happy hacking | Plasma 5.5.5: X/archive, Plasma 5.6.3 Y+X/STAGING -- Apps 15.12.3: X/archive, Apps 16.04 Y/WIP -- FW 5.18: X/archive, FW 5.22 Y/WIP 5.21 /STAGING| https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | ||
| yofel | bah, NM in yakkety seems to have lost wimax support | 20:03 |
| yofel | or maybe those are just lost private symbols.. | 20:10 |
| soee | :) | 20:13 |
| clivejo | soee: thats not good ! | 20:13 |
| IrcsomeBot | sgclark2 was removed by: sgclark2 | 20:13 |
| clivejo | so how would you apply a patch? | 20:19 |
| clivejo | say from a KDE diff | 20:19 |
| * clivejo is having to find another one and copy it | 20:20 | |
| clivejo | Jonathan spoke of a way of importing a diff using quilt | 20:20 |
| clivejo | but at the time it was WAY over my head | 20:20 |
| yofel | kubuntu-update-symbols actually works, nice | 20:23 |
| * yofel hasn't used that in years :D | 20:23 | |
| clivejo | kubuntu dev tools? | 20:23 |
| clivejo | must look into that | 20:24 |
| yofel | useless for ppa's - though one could add that | 20:25 |
| yofel | did you ever get your gpg-agent fixed? | 20:26 |
| clivejo | yup | 20:26 |
| clivejo | had to set the path manually | 20:27 |
| clivejo | I dunno what changed or happened it it | 20:27 |
| clivejo | just stopped working one day | 20:27 |
| yofel | which path? | 20:28 |
| yofel | I had probably the same thing happen to me, and it looks like the new agent only works with gpg2 | 20:28 |
| clivejo | GPG_AGENT_INFO was blank | 20:28 |
| yofel | ah, set that to the socket in .gnugp? | 20:28 |
| clivejo | yup | 20:29 |
| clivejo | export GPG_AGENT_INFO="/home/clivejo/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1" | 20:29 |
| yofel | need to try that | 20:29 |
| clivejo | the agent was starting fine | 20:29 |
| clivejo | but debsign wasnt connecting to it | 20:29 |
| yofel | right, setting DEBSIGN_PROGRAM=gpg2 fixed it for me, but gbp seems to require 'gpg' for the tag signature which is annoying | 20:30 |
| clivejo | so added that line to my profile and its working again | 20:30 |
| clivejo | and Im strengthened my key and changed my email, so some good came of it all! | 20:31 |
| clivejo | regarding the SRU, whats the next step? | 20:32 |
| yofel | works, thanks :) | 20:32 |
| clivejo | I think thats a bug somewhere | 20:32 |
| clivejo | cause it used to work fine, then all of a sudden boom | 20:33 |
| clivejo | drove me insane for a couple of weeks! | 20:33 |
| clivejo | thankfully someone here pasted me the contents of their GPG_AGENT_INFO and it clicked what was wrong | 20:33 |
| clivejo | even managed to get my new key working in Kmail too :) | 20:35 |
| yofel | it's not a bug, it's deprecated behavior. A bit strange as a bunch of things still rely on gpg v1 | 20:36 |
| clivejo | if only I could send emails via kubuntu.org | 20:36 |
| clivejo | we should setup a Kolab server for kubuntu.org :P | 20:37 |
| yofel | clivejo: https://www.gnupg.org/faq/whats-new-in-2.1.html#autostart | 20:37 |
| yofel | that depends whether your provider allows emails from different sender (IIRC gmail does, mine doesn't) | 20:37 |
| yofel | so my kubuntu.org address is mostly just a spam magnet | 20:38 |
| clivejo | about birthdays and cupcakes! | 20:38 |
| clivejo | yofel: so this debdiff, will I attach it to the LP bug? | 20:39 |
| clivejo | https://paste.kde.org/pl9kjohpt | 20:40 |
| yofel | if you need a sponsor, yes. Then you subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug so it ends up in the sponsorship queue (linked in #ubuntu-motu topic) | 20:40 |
| yofel | in this case, I already uploaded it | 20:40 |
| clivejo | to xenial? | 20:40 |
| yofel | both | 20:40 |
| clivejo | oh, you can do that? | 20:40 |
| yofel | well, yakkety a second time already.. | 20:40 |
| yofel | I can upload what's in the packageset, I cannot approve or accept SRU's | 20:41 |
| yofel | you can see in #ubuntu-release that it was put into UNAPPROVED | 20:41 |
| clivejo | where do you upload to? | 20:41 |
| yofel | I already nominated the bug for xenial (you would've had to ask a bugcontrol memeber or developer to do that - in this case: me) | 20:42 |
| yofel | 'dput ubuntu ...' | 20:42 |
| yofel | what you still have to do, is fill out a working testcase, then subscribe ~ubuntu-sru to the bug | 20:43 |
| clivejo | Id get a permission error? | 20:43 |
| yofel | you would get an upload rejected mail | 20:43 |
| yofel | when are you applying for ~kubuntu-dev? ^^ | 20:43 |
| yofel | well ok, maybe not just yet | 20:43 |
| clivejo | I dont actually have a test case, ovidiuflorin and you are my guinea pigs :P | 20:44 |
| soee | Scarlett left for good ? | 20:44 |
| yofel | you need one though | 20:44 |
| ovidiuflorin | oink | 20:44 |
| yofel | we need a state that's reproducably known broken, and a state that's reproducably known good | 20:44 |
| clivejo | I can see this is going to be one of my downfalls | 20:44 |
| yofel | for me, I got the error when editing the Manual IPv4 settings for a connection | 20:45 |
| yofel | you *should* be able to do that | 20:45 |
| * clivejo is terribly bad at writing thoughts and communicating ideas via text | 20:45 | |
| yofel | no need for thoughts. Testcase is a step-by-step guide on how to verify that the bug is fixed | 20:46 |
| clivejo | test case doesnt work, apply patch, it works | 20:46 |
| clivejo | magic | 20:46 |
| yofel | like: create a manual connection, set setting FOO, see error, install package from proposed, try setting it again, it works | 20:46 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: could you write that? | 20:46 |
| clivejo | tell us how you found the bug | 20:46 |
| clivejo | 1) Turn on my computer 2) Type in my Kubuntu login 3) Make a cup of coffee | 20:47 |
| yofel | it doesn't need to be long, see e.g. lp 1556540 | 20:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1556540 in kamera (Ubuntu Xenial) "System Settings->Digital Kamera Error occurred leaving orphaned control module" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556540 | 20:48 |
| clivejo | so how do you find out about these bugs? | 20:49 |
| yofel | I'm subscribed to our bug ML? | 20:49 |
| clivejo | this one was because ovidiuflorin was really upset and asked for help here | 20:49 |
| yofel | although I only really pay attention to the NEW messages. Too many mails | 20:49 |
| yofel | the original bug was on the ML too, but nobody noticed it | 20:50 |
| clivejo | cause reading that LP bug, its been going on a while | 20:50 |
| yofel | right, we would need some bug triagers that actually pay attention to it and filter it. But nobody does that, so what bugs get noticed depends on $developer_mood_of_the_day | 20:51 |
| yofel | or people throwing one into our face | 20:51 |
| clivejo | like ovidiuflorin did! | 20:51 |
| yofel | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs is the ML | 20:52 |
| clivejo | how long will it be before that patch gets into the archive then? | 20:52 |
| yofel | dunno, kamera has been sitting in unapproved for over a week already | 20:52 |
| clivejo | I thought LP was supposed to make this all easier | 20:53 |
| yofel | it makes managing it easier, this is a human resources issue | 20:53 |
| clivejo | ie triagers poke the people who can fix it | 20:53 |
| yofel | sure, I would be fine with a triager assigning a valid bug to me | 20:53 |
| yofel | again, nobody does that | 20:53 |
| clivejo | theres a comment on there #5 I think seems to suggest they go to gnome for support :/ | 20:54 |
| ovidiuflorin | do I still need to write the test case? | 20:54 |
| yofel | heh, #ubuntu-bugs has been in a near-death state for years... *sigh* | 20:54 |
| yofel | ovidiuflorin: yes | 20:55 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: yes please, you have first hand experience of the bug | 20:55 |
| yofel | clivejo: users will go for a workaround that works | 20:55 |
| ovidiuflorin | I'll make a notepad and ask you guys for feedback | 20:55 |
| yofel | meh, now I get a merge conflict in the symbols -.- | 20:56 |
| clivejo | symbols for what? | 20:58 |
| clivejo | YY? | 20:58 |
| clivejo | ovidiuflorin: have you used open365.io? | 20:58 |
| yofel | yes, because I refreshed with 5.18 and you did with 5.21 | 20:59 |
| yofel | well, I fixed it anyway | 20:59 |
| ovidiuflorin | clivejo: I tried it | 20:59 |
| clivejo | mine should be 5.22 | 20:59 |
| clivejo | scarlett did 5.21 | 20:59 |
| ovidiuflorin | https://notes.kde.org/p/a8eCbB2KxA | 20:59 |
| ovidiuflorin | clivejo: yofel ^ | 20:59 |
| yofel | ovidiuflorin: I think 'any connection' would do it, not only VPN - or does it only happen with vpn for you? | 21:00 |
| ovidiuflorin | name yourself | 21:00 |
| ovidiuflorin | yofel: I'm typing that now | 21:00 |
| yofel | ack | 21:01 |
| yofel | ok, built fine with yakkety, so that's done | 21:02 |
| clivejo | do you have to reverse the git for yakkety? | 21:02 |
| clivejo | or just add the ubuntu2 changelog entry? | 21:02 |
| yofel | I create a branch from the last tag, commit and tag that, then merge it into archive | 21:03 |
| ovidiuflorin | done | 21:03 |
| ovidiuflorin | is that good? | 21:03 |
| yofel | good for me, thanks | 21:03 |
| clivejo | copy that into the bug? | 21:06 |
| clivejo | Im on wired connection and never hit that bug :/ | 21:06 |
| ovidiuflorin | in the description or in a comment? | 21:07 |
| clivejo | description under [testcase] tag | 21:07 |
| ovidiuflorin | ok | 21:07 |
| ovidiuflorin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674 | 21:11 |
| ovidiuflorin | done | 21:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,In progress] | 21:11 |
| clivejo | ah | 21:12 |
| clivejo | thats why activities wouldnt work! | 21:12 |
| clivejo | duh | 21:12 |
| ovidiuflorin | what? | 21:15 |
| yofel | someone still needs to subscribe ~ubuntu-sru, don't forget that! | 21:15 |
| clivejo | done | 21:17 |
| yofel | ok, we're done for now | 21:18 |
| clivejo | just wait? | 21:21 |
| yofel | for now yes. If there's no reaction, poke the sru folks after a couple days | 21:22 |
| * clivejo hugs sgclark | 21:24 | |
| clivejo | so somewhere along the line qml-module-org-kde-activities got removed from my YY+Plasma5.6.3 and thats why activities werent working | 21:43 |
| clivejo | installed them and its working again | 21:43 |
| yofel | you might want to make sure something depends on it | 21:44 |
| clivejo | I think it was my fault | 21:44 |
| clivejo | I was doing tests! | 21:44 |
| clivejo | to see what packages pulled in stuff | 21:44 |
| nomen | hmm I just saw that post on planet kde http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2016/kubuntu-farewell-my-friends/ what does this mean? | 21:44 |
| sgclark | My services are no longer required. I am moving on with life. | 21:58 |
| clivejo | anyone using Plasma 5.6.3 having problems connecting to KDE Connect? | 22:19 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> Since 5.5.5 I thing I had to ping my device to get it connected | 22:22 |
| clivejo | I had to add it by IP | 22:22 |
| clivejo | but its not working | 22:22 |
| clivejo | wondering if its a network issue | 22:22 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> Strange | 22:23 |
| clivejo | my wifi seems to keep disconnecting at random too | 22:23 |
| clivejo | my laptop is on one subnet 192.168.1.* and phone is on the wifi network which is on 192.168.2.* | 22:24 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> With 5.6.3 and Frameworks 5.21 I had strange issue with steam when my desktop elements almost stops to response and there are often problems with windows and panel shadows. | 22:24 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> I think steam does something strange here, though it worked fine on 5.5 | 22:25 |
| * clivejo think one of the routers is playing up | 22:27 | |
| clivejo | and my VOIP gateway is on that subnet too :/ | 22:28 |
| clivejo | hummm | 22:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> I'm out for tonight... | 22:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> My dog just had a seizure | 22:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> We're discussing... The future... | 22:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> It's going to be a long night and day following | 22:48 |
| clivejo | wow | 22:48 |
| clivejo | what age is the dog? | 22:48 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> Sorry | 22:48 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> Almost 2 | 22:48 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> Almost 2 years | 22:48 |
| clivejo | :( | 22:48 |
| clivejo | sorry to hear that :( | 22:49 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> (Photo, 1280x856) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/aqZLQD06/file_16.jpg | 22:49 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> And he went blind... In the past 3 months | 22:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> He's always in panic | 22:50 |
| clivejo | Ive seen you with him on cam | 22:50 |
| clivejo | any idea what happened? | 22:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> He's my kid... | 22:50 |
| clivejo | a stroke or something? | 22:51 |
| clivejo | yeah, my pup is my kid too! | 22:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> Those f...ing breeders... Inbreeding | 22:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> That's the short story | 22:51 |
| clivejo | so sorry | 22:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> He also has a sensitive digestive system... Can barely eat something | 22:52 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> Just chicken without any spices and some sensitive dog food... | 22:53 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> The problem now is to keep the wife calm... | 22:54 |
| clivejo | my pup seems to eat everything! | 22:54 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> That's a normal dog | 22:54 |
| clivejo | hes burst every football Ive got him within about an hour! | 22:54 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> Clivejo will you stage 5.6.4? | 23:03 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Let us get fw5.22 finished first! | 23:13 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> They are not? | 23:13 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> What is missing? | 23:14 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Need tested | 23:15 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> I think my router is fecked | 23:16 |
| mamarley | clivejo: I can install FW5.22 on my VM to test. | 23:19 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> What happened to router? :/ | 23:20 |
| clivejo | dunno | 23:26 |
| clivejo | been acting up recently | 23:26 |
| clivejo | mamarley: please, if its not an install thats important to you# | 23:27 |
| clivejo | just to see if they install without errors | 23:27 |
| mamarley | It's a throwaway VM. If it gets screwed up, I can just nuke it. | 23:27 |
| clivejo | @marcinsagol I have a large network to connect up the farm etc | 23:27 |
| clivejo | the router that provides wifi to my house is misbehaving | 23:28 |
| mamarley | clivejo: It installs fine by the way. I am about to reboot and see what happens. | 23:28 |
| clivejo | mamarley: where from? | 23:28 |
| clivejo | staging-frameworks? | 23:28 |
| mamarley | clivejo: Yes, staging-frameworks for Yakkety. | 23:29 |
| mamarley | This VM is crazy fast. I think its hard disk must be cached in RAM. | 23:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> On your PC or what is it? | 23:30 |
| mamarley | Yes, it is a KVM VM running on my laptop. | 23:30 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> I see ;) | 23:31 |
| mamarley | clivejo: Plasma starts and runs and dolphin, konsole, and Quassel all work. :) | 23:31 |
| mamarley | (I am chatting from Quassel in the VM right now. :) | 23:31 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Lol that doesn't fill me with much confidence | 23:31 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> I'll try to install YY in VB, maybe installer has been fixed in daily. | 23:32 |
| mamarley | clivejo: It is just a VM, it is not equipped for my usual workflows. If you backport it to Xenial, I can do more thorough testing. :) | 23:32 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> I think we can't much rest it - only frameworks. | 23:33 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> :p | 23:33 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> Apps or Plasma use them and then it is wider space for tests. | 23:34 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Until we try building plasma on top and it breaks! | 23:34 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> And kills kittens | 23:34 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> Nah :) | 23:34 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> But you are an expert :) | 23:34 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> You are confusing me with someone else! | 23:35 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> What tablets do you guys recommend this days? | 23:36 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Something to calm one down | 23:40 |
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