=== nameless is now known as Guest81349 [08:53] hello - does anyone recognise this person from the Kubuntu commnuity? https://launchpad.net/~k-abraham ? [09:09] popey: looks brand new -- they have not checked in here that I know of [09:09] thanks valorie [09:10] devels -- Notes finally got fixed, so I grabbed our packaging notes and began to massage them into something at https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging#Getting_Started [09:10] looks like crap, and half of it will have to be moved elsewhere or just removed [09:10] but it's started [09:10] niters [09:23] New Plasma and Frameworks are available in staging (not landing), correct? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma [09:23] And that is for YY or XX? [09:39] mparillo: yes [09:40] as well as yes to both yy and xx? === ovidiuflorin is now known as ovidiu-florin === ovidiu-florin is now known as ovidiuflorin [09:43] mparillo: yes [09:47] what is Qt5TextToSpeech and where can I get it? [09:51] it is mentioned in this old post http://www.aegiap.eu/kdeblog/2015/08/kdepim-5-0/ [09:52] KDE pim 5.0 - Add support for texttospeech based on Qt5TextToSpeech (which is not release yet). [09:53] clivejo: [11:53] soee: something that hasn't been released yet I think [09:54] there are components that've optionally required that for the last 2 years or so [09:54] but nobody ever makes a release for it [09:54] [11:54] https://wiki.qt.io/QtSpeech [09:54] so, /ignore IMO [09:54] or feel free to package a snapshot if you think it's useful [09:56] seems to be for notifications, just thought it would be handy is they could be spoken! [09:57] rather spooky :D [09:57] could be useful for some people [09:57] and is some cases retardet when it would read the same text 3 times :D [09:57] * soee needs to file a bug .. [09:57] its your language soee!! [09:58] :( [09:58] clivejo: i see F 5.22 almost ready :) [09:58] maybe its like certain Iriish accents where you repeat yourself [09:58] to be sure, be sure, be sure [09:58] i asked about it on #plasma but had not response, so i better file a bug [09:59] yofel: did you see my question about networkmanager-qt last night? [10:00] * clivejo is getting a bit sick of FW [10:00] lots of merge marker left in stuff for some reason [10:00] and no i386 support [10:05] is there any way to put KCI into an interactive mode where it will build my packages first? [10:06] I dont see the point in building packages that are going to fail :/ [10:06] that i do not know :/ [10:11] no, and now's lunch, bbl [10:11] I see it in the log, just didn't read it [10:12] grrrr [10:12] need to grab kwallet v5.22.0-rc2 from depot [10:13] yofel: do I call the package the same ie 5.22.0-rc2 ? [10:45] clivejo: you call it 5.22.0a [10:45] ok [10:45] cant find it anyways [10:45] or I guess +rc2 would work, but 'a' is what we usually did [10:45] sucks as the scripts can't handle that [10:46] * yofel sees symbol failures in plasma-framework [10:47] I don't want to do this anymore -.- [10:49] yofel: Ive just fixed those in yakkety_archive [10:49] they're ok to remove? [10:50] * yofel didn't really look at them [10:50] it was merged with debian and full of merge markers [10:50] how did that cause missing symbols? [10:51] sorry, maybe we talking about something different [10:51] Im working on FW5.22 [10:51] I'm talking about the MISSING symbols [10:53] why am I getting emails about " Alessia's birthday" [10:53] SPAM? [10:54] seems like a full blown conversation [10:54] this coming Wednesday (May 11th) will be Alessia’s birthday and she would love to bring to school some muffins to celebrate with her classmates. [10:54] Is it possible? Do you prefer Alessia will bring the sweets by herself or could I come to take some pictures too? [10:54] …and at what time should I come? [10:54] dunno [10:54] ah, symbols are fine, o k [10:54] isnt this the girl that asked for stickers? [10:55] oh right, there was that [10:55] Im gonna delete it [10:55] Ive no interest in cupcakes! [10:57] yofel: can you scan over http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.22.0_yakkety.html [10:57] looks green? [10:57] kwayland is still messing about, and Im trying to fix it [10:57] but are the orange ok to ignore [10:59] kfilemetadata and kwayland need fixing [10:59] and kactivities needs paying attention [10:59] the rest is ~ok [11:00] the manpage stuff should maybe be looked at [11:00] as in: where to file bugs [11:04] kwayland and kfilemetadata should be fixed when the pakages build [11:04] \o/ [11:04] whats wrong with kactivities? [11:05] Im seeing Cmake warnings, but dunno how I can fix them [11:06] but it seems to be building and installing ok === adrianalves is now known as adrian [11:15] clivejo: it's the big warning that updating just kactivities frameworks will certainly break your activities [11:16] so we have yet another frameworks release that's not backwards comatible [11:16] I don't want to do this anymore [11:18] thy are not ? [11:34] soee: well, you do remember how your activities worked when you installed frameworksk for the first time? [11:38] yofel: i do not ;/ [11:38] hm, might've been someone else then [11:40] yofel: but what Frameworsk version are you talking about - the very first or current ? [11:40] both [11:40] at first activities didn't work to well [11:41] now almost all works fine except the bug with switching them [11:41] right, but you're on plasma 5.6 too [11:43] yofel: but why this one is the problem [13:16] so we have yet another frameworks release that's not backwards comatible ? [11:44] because technically, kde is marketing frameworks, plasma and apps as 3 distinct components, and we are packaging them like that [11:45] when in fact, there's cross-dependencies, side-effects and compatibility issues all over the place [11:45] which makes our life harder than it needs to be [11:45] * yofel wants the KDE SC back [11:45] that was EASY [11:57] Howdy folks === nameless is now known as Guest69053 [12:56] yofel: was me had the activities stop working [13:00] kactivitymanagerd is now part of plasma, which I packaged in 5.6.3 [13:02] but where is kactivities-workspace [13:33] yay, the wiki lost my developer application [13:33] I think I'll move back to tanglu development. Unlike ubuntu that's actually fun [13:36] tanglu is so outdated with their packages it seems [13:37] yes, because ximion is working on appstream and whatever the limba successor is, and I'm working on kubuntu [13:37] it wouldn't be so outdated if someone would actually be doing something [13:38] ;) [13:38] For what it is worth, I hope you stay. Kubuntu is already short on people and I'm not sure it could survive without you. [13:40] I guess so, but doing stuff out of obligation is not particulary fun, esp. as I'm doing this for free. And holding the senior dev position here has mostly been a frustration loop lately [13:41] spending time on other things has improved my mood a bit, but any time I work here it goes down far faster then it goes up [13:44] I maintain 10 Kubuntu systems for myself and various other people, and I have no idea what I would do if Kubuntu wasn't a thing anymore. The combination of recent KDE packages with recent under-the-hood stuff and plenty of PPAs to fill in the gaps is unmatched as far as I can tell. I have evaluated several other KDE distros and none of them even come close. [13:45] Tried other KDE distos here as well, and nothing else allows me to get what I want for a system with minimum hassle [13:47] +1 [13:47] If kubuntu started lagging behind I would be stuck [13:47] I mean, I would do fine with something like Arch, but that wouldn't be acceptable for the systems I maintain for other people. I looked at Fedora, they have recent KDE packages, but either very out-of-date packages or no packages at all for other stuff I use. I checked OpenSuSE, they have recent KDE packages but their base system is too out-of-date for some of the newer hardware I am supporting. [13:47] Kubuntu is just the best KDE distro around. [13:49] Yes, tried Arch and it's nicely up to date, but fragile [13:50] With a kubuntu/ubuntu/debian system, I know how to bend it to my needs without breaking it [13:50] yofel: What are the problems that make you sad? Maybe there is something we can do about them. [13:54] * soee going for mile and cookies ... :) [13:58] not sure if you can. Problem is that I'll have to make up my mind what I want to do here. I'm currently holding a position without actually having all the permissions that I would need to actually do the job, which means I spent lots of time with just "paperwork". [13:58] But as I'm also the only experienced packager here, I'm spending most of my time explaining stuff to people, and running around attaching band-aids in a hundred different places which eats up all my time. [13:58] So at the end of the day, kde devs make my life hard, which is exponentiated by me missing permissions, and me spending time on stuff that I actually don't have any time for if I wanted to fix the permission issue or improve out workflow [13:58] I would love to continue working on 16.04 because it's still buggy as hell, but that means that I will completely ignore yakkety and any new kde work until mid-august [13:59] rock and hard place then [14:00] Might it be possible to use any of the work from the KDE Neon project to help out? [14:00] sure, we could also just sync frameworks 5.21 from debian experimental, but it looks like our packagers would much rather spend their time on working on it themselves....... [14:01] not sure what the internal politics are, but I'm astounded you don't have permissions required [14:01] acheron88: well, I was always just a side contributor in the past, so I never applied to them. But to apply for them I would need an actual work record in the field - which I don't have because I spend time on other stuff [14:02] I'm sure anyone in here would be willing to vouch for you and all the work you did on Xenial. [14:02] so it's a bit of a chicken and egg problem [14:02] I see. [14:02] I definitely would, if my opinion counts for anything. [14:03] mamarley: the problem is: to appy for motu/core-dev, I would have to do motu/core-dev stuff that is URELATED to kubuntu [14:03] but I'm spending all my time on kubuntu to not let it fall apart, so there's no time for that [14:03] That's dumb. [14:04] I guess I could apply for motu and at least get enough recommendations for that [14:04] except that I could still not be a release manager because that requires core-dev [14:04] but for that I would have to do stuff in 'main' [14:04] It is a start, I guess. [14:04] It makes sense for a ubuntu flavour that is well resourced [14:17] soee: Thanks for the tip. I picked an XX vm, and I added staging-plasma. Software Updates running now. [14:23] well soee, plasma 5.6.3 eventually broke my setup and made it unusable. I'm on my fallback Xenail and after akernel upgrade it's acting up now as well , not having a good day ;/ [14:39] I think I successfully upgraded to Plasma 5.6.3, but I got two errors: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/libdiscover.mo', which is also in package libdiscovercommon 5.5.4-0ubuntu1 [14:39] And trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.muon.repo.conf', which is also in package libdiscovercommon 5.5.4-0ubuntu1 [14:45] please paste the full errors, that doesn't say *what* tried to overwrite them [14:50] clivejo this one? ppa:clivejo/xenial [14:52] is clivejo around? [14:55] at least his bouncer is, he was here earlier [14:57] This is my konsole session trying to update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16346597/ As I said, kinfocenter says I am on 5.6.3, and it looks different and seems to work fine (no immediate problems). [14:58] marco-parillo: what language are you using in the system ? [14:58] activities working ok, marco-parillo? [14:59] ovidiuflorin I am now :) [15:01] soee: en_US [15:05] BluesKaj: I can create a new activity, and switch to it using the hamburger. However, there are no activity templates. [15:09] ko = korean? [15:09] why are KDE install all lanuages alongside the packages? [15:16] clivejo is this the one? ppa:clivejo/xenial? [15:16] yes [15:16] but it has other stuff in there [15:16] ok... [15:17] I'll add it and test only that one [15:17] marco-parillo: right , my actiities were locked and wouldn't launch the linked apps [15:17] only install the networkmanager-qt package from it [15:17] then disable it [15:17] BluesKaj: I also was able to switch between activities using meta tab. [15:18] clivejo: I tried to , disabling didn't help [15:18] yofel: will plasma-nm need rebuilt? [15:19] is there a reason for it? [15:19] I dont know how that stack works [15:20] clivejo: no such package networkmanager-qt [15:20] ..... [15:20] and I don't have time to look at it, sorry [15:20] I see it in the ppa on LP [15:20] but apt refuses to locate it [15:20] ovidiuflorin: that package would be libkf5networkmanagerqt6 [15:21] muaaaaa?! [15:21] restarting netowrk manager [15:21] brb [15:22] ok, back [15:25] clivejo: it works [15:25] thank you [15:25] :D:D: [15:25] ovidiuflorin: can you open a LP bug for this [15:25] we need to get it SRU [15:26] there are a lot of papercuts in Xenial need attention [15:26] ok, what should I say in the bug? [15:26] open the bug on this package? [15:26] yes [15:26] networkmanager-qt [15:26] say what the problem is [15:27] Ive never seen the bug, so I have no idea [15:27] something about connecting to VPNS [15:27] to VPN [15:27] any VPN [15:27] yeah, well you know more about that side of it [15:28] maybe link to the KDE bug, detailing the fix [15:28] and Ill attact the patch [15:29] Ill then try and get some of the release team guys to help me get the patch into the archive [15:29] yofel: did you experience this bug too, with the VPN's? [15:30] vpns? no. It might solve a different issue I had though [15:30] could you try it? [15:30] not for another 2 hours [15:30] no prob [15:30] I gotta go do a few things [15:31] ovidiuflorin: please post the LP bug in here and ping me when you do [15:31] Ill look at it later [15:31] clivejo: ping [15:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1580229 [15:31] Launchpad bug 1580229 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu) "VPN is broken in Xenial" [Undecided,New] [15:31] great, thanks :) [15:31] ;) [15:32] ovidiuflorin: would you like to follow this path with me? [15:32] ie learn how a SRU works and how to do it? [15:32] sure [15:32] can we use BBB? [15:33] ovidiuflorin: heres a bit of info for a start - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [15:33] and I catch up with you later [16:06] uhm [16:06] https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-16.04.1.php [16:08] Does anybody running Plasma 5.6.3 auto-hide the panel? I thought it was working, and I was playing with Activities, and now it looks as if the windows think it is auto-hidden, but the panel is always on top, because the bottom of the windows are hidden.. [16:09] * sgclark runs applications [16:10] marco-parillo: i think i had similar issue and it was due to some configuration [16:10] test it on fresh account maybe [16:10] sgclark: 16.04.1 [16:10] ? [16:12] sure I have already been working on 16.04.0 [16:13] and sorry about your frustrations yofel, I am afraid it will only get worse when my internship starts [16:13] will it work if not all 16.04 were packed yet ? [16:13] yes [16:13] cool :) [16:14] depends. Less people working on packaging means my review-queue fills slower. So yes, you'll be missed - but not completely :P [16:15] and you concentrate on your internship. We can figure things out after that [16:20] so the status is: we have 16.04.x apps to finish + backport, Plasma 5.6.4 to finish and backport (5.6.3 already done) and Frameworks 5.22 to backport [16:23] what takes longer: fixing package or waiting till it build and check if it was fine ? [16:24] latter [16:24] most of the time [16:25] if you build locally, ccache helps. On LP you just have to wait [16:25] can't we have do it on some own nice VPS ? [16:25] unless you spend a lot of money on it, you're probably better of waiting for launchpad [16:26] I can provide containers for people that want it [16:26] but not everyone likes working over ssh [16:26] and then there's ssh/gpg key access issues and whatnot [16:27] :< [16:27] what are good specs for uch VPS so the builds go fast? [16:28] the launchpad builders are actually really powerful, so they beat any "cheap" VPS by far. [16:28] you could probably beat launchpad with some 8 cores or so. 6 might do it already [16:29] 4 if you repeatedly build the same thing and use ccache [16:30] well we have here in Poland pretty cheap one but they use OpenVZ so am not sure if we can manimulate system sas we want [16:31] I'm testing the somewhat new x86 machines from scaleway, they offer you a 6 CPU 8 GiB machine for ~10€/m [16:31] so 6 vcpu x 3.5GHz, 8GB ram, 60 GB sdd pcie [16:32] they work reasonably well, but they're still Atom server CPUs [16:32] which is ok for the price... [16:33] well i have for my one the one i mentioned and works fine :) [16:33] also having smaller one for gitlab [16:34] yeah, that's a pretty good server for most purposes [16:35] it is ~ 150.00 €/y [16:35] but if you have 2 items you have 10% discount on each [16:36] and 10+ 15% [16:36] after 1 year also discount [16:37] sweet. I guess the only thing I don't like is OpenVZ. Yes, it does the job for most purposes, but I constantly run into situations where the system doesn't behave how I want. So I'm trying to stay away from that lately [16:37] :) i have it for 2 months so far, i used debian on it and works fine [16:39] last month with 1 time payment ~ 72 € they increased my mid plan to the highest i mentioned but staing on the lower one pricing :) [16:39] :D [16:40] so atm. it costs me ~ 75 €/y without discounts [16:41] FWIW. I would really like to see if we could replace LP with our own build system for KCI. Jenkins spends >50% of the job time just waiting on the launchpad publisher (that's why the bot always prints results in batches) [16:41] oh, now that's cheap. lucky you ;P [16:41] :D [16:43] hmm, after 1 year renew has 20% discount, 2 years 25%, 3 years 30% :) [16:44] that makes sense as you probably won't get the hardware replaced. Otherwise you end up changing contracts to get a reasonable price again [16:44] so for example, you have 2 vps = 10% discount for each, after 1 year you have +20% discount and if you renew for next year + 20% [16:44] = 50% :) [16:44] which is a PITA === amichair_ is now known as amichair [17:17] soee: I created a new user (for some reason creating one without a password did not work for me), and yes, the auto-hide panel does not seem to work. [17:49] ovidiuflorin: someone else reported that error "'gateway-ping-timeout' of type 'guint'" for something [18:19] clivejo: nmqt works, thanks [18:20] that happens when editing any network connection, so you don't need a vpn for the testcase [18:24] yofel: does this diff look ok to you - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/258690910/networkmanager-qt_5.18.0-0ubuntu2_5.18.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04~ppa1.diff.gz [18:25] should I drop the ppa build info from the version number before I submit it? [18:26] the version has to be ubuntu1.1 [18:26] well I need to fill in the LP bug number anys [18:27] no, wait [18:27] yes, 1.1 [18:28] In the changelog please add "Add" before "Upstream" [18:32] in the patch, remove lines 3-8 [18:32] and after you add the bug #, it should be fine [18:33] clivejo: so my bug report is no good? [18:34] the bug is ok in itself, just needs a description rewrite for the SRU [18:39] hm, lp 1577923 sounds like a dup [18:39] Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1577923 [Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569674 [18:40] ok, I didn't look that close :D [18:41] hm, that also complains about the guint value [18:48] ovidiuflorin: mind if I fold your bug into the other one? [18:48] not at all [18:48] thanks [18:48] * ovidiuflorin is drooling over http://www.amazon.com/SawStop-PCS31230-TGP252-Professional-Assembly-Extension/dp/B005HPWE5W?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_g469_i5_r [18:49] * yofel wouldn't have a use for it, but nice indeed [18:49] clivejo: please change the bug in the changelog to 1569674 [18:53] clivejo: I copied over the SRU description, updated the status and added the xenial task [18:53] can you give me a debdiff for yakkety so I can get that uploaded? [18:53] clivejo: will you backport 5.22 ? [18:53] or you do the git tagging yourself, but that's a bit tricky [18:55] hello yofel long time no see. :) How are you? [18:56] tazz: well enough [18:56] long time no see indeed :) [18:59] https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.4.php [19:02] soee: Im reaching for my trout! [19:02] yofel: isnt the patch in 5.22? [19:03] clivejo: no SRU before the fix isn't in yakkety-release, so 5.22 doesn't help [19:03] oh [19:03] or well, it would help, if you find someone to upload it [19:03] I can't [19:03] so it becomes ubuntu2 in YY? [19:03] so it's faster to just upload the same fix to both [19:03] yes [19:03] but 1.1 in a distro out the door [19:04] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/258843923/networkmanager-qt_5.18.0-0ubuntu1_5.18.0-0ubuntu1.1.diff.gz [19:04] that look better? [19:05] s/Closes LP: #1569674/(LP: #1569674)/ [19:05] Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569674 [19:05] grrrrr [19:05] and you dropped the exended description from the patch, which was fine [19:05] instead remove the '---' [19:06] *extended [19:06] you said to drop lines 3-8? [19:06] you removed 2-7 [19:10] oh, that diff is different to the one I have locally [19:10] just pastebin a debdiff [19:11] I hate LP debdiff [19:11] man debdiff? [19:11] its comparing it to a test upload I deleted [19:11] yes, just do it locally... [19:13] * clivejo cries [19:13] why does KDE Paste always password protect my pastes [19:14] https://paste.kde.org/ploko8ggt [19:14] 3rd time lucky [19:19] clivejo: https://paste.kde.org/pbqzrzfwd [19:20] line 7, should there be a leading space? [19:20] doesn't need to be [19:20] I removed it [19:21] ah hm, c&p somehow added that [19:21] nano colours the diff, and it didnt look right :P [19:23] yofel: is it always this difficult to make fixes? [19:23] just seems so unreasonable difficult :/ [19:23] not if you get it right on the first try [19:24] but the archive admins are rather pedantic, that's why I'm so nitpicky here [19:25] but yes, the SRU procedure is a bit verbose regarding steps and paperwork. So that regressions are as unlikely as possible [19:26] but surely the original bug is a regression :/ [19:26] yes 'regression-release', 'regression-update' counts as worse [19:27] ok I uploaded to a clean PPA - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/frameworks/+packages [19:27] hopefully get a decent debdiff on that [19:27] really, please pastebin me a debdiff yourself [19:27] so that you learn how to do that when someone else asks you for it [19:28] and I mean *without* launchpad [19:28] I know how to do it, but its just should a LONG process! [19:28] running a command is a long process o.O? [19:29] have to get the original source again [19:29] huh, what did you start with in the first place? [19:29] the original dsc should still be there, no? [19:29] I dget the dsc file from xenial archive [19:30] right, so use that? [19:30] unpack the .orig and .debian [19:30] Ive deleted them since [19:30] well, don't do that ^^ [19:30] and did you unpack them by hand? dpkg-source does that [19:30] see I do stuff the long and hard way [19:31] how would you do it? [19:31] let me try [19:31] share your wisdom almighty yofel! [19:31] "pull-lp-source networkmanager-qt xenial" [19:32] then would come updating the package, debuild -S, then debdiff old.dsc new.dsc and I have a debdiff [19:33] or I would work on git, but with uscan broken I would still do pull-lp-source inside build-area so gbp works [19:33] * clivejo creates a new kate file [19:33] Pearls_Of_Wisdom.txt [19:33] lol [19:33] where is that script coming from? [19:33] dev-tools? [19:34] ubuntu-dev-tools [19:34] the pul-lp-source [19:34] there's also a pull-ppa-source in kubuntu-dev-tools, which is also handy [19:35] ok, so I used that and got the source and its unpacked it for me :) [19:35] like magic [19:36] that's the point :P [19:36] it really just downloads and run dpkg-source -x [19:36] *runs [19:36] but me didnt know this! [19:36] Ive been doing it all manually [19:36] like an idiot! [19:36] well, good that we fixed that then [19:38] so would you create two folders, orig and new? [19:38] to keep them seperate? [19:38] no, I only use one unpacked source. You just have to be careful to not run debuild without changing the version [19:39] debdiff only needs the dsc's and unpacks the relevant versions internally again [19:41] ok I but the archive source into a folder called orig [19:41]