[08:53] <popey> hello - does anyone recognise this person from the Kubuntu commnuity? https://launchpad.net/~k-abraham ?
[09:09] <valorie> popey: looks brand new -- they have not checked in here that I know of
[09:09] <popey> thanks valorie 
[09:10] <valorie> devels -- Notes finally got fixed, so I grabbed our packaging notes and began to massage them into something at https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging#Getting_Started
[09:10] <valorie> looks like crap, and half of it will have to be moved elsewhere or just removed
[09:10] <valorie> but it's started
[09:10] <valorie> niters
[09:23] <mparillo> New Plasma and Frameworks are available in staging (not landing), correct? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
[09:23] <mparillo> And that is for YY or XX?
[09:39] <soee> mparillo: yes
[09:40] <mparillo> as well as yes to both yy and xx?
[09:43] <soee> mparillo: yes
[09:47] <clivejo> what is Qt5TextToSpeech and where can I get it?
[09:51] <soee> it is mentioned in this old post http://www.aegiap.eu/kdeblog/2015/08/kdepim-5-0/
[09:52] <soee> KDE pim 5.0 - Add support for texttospeech based on Qt5TextToSpeech (which is not release yet).
[09:53] <soee> clivejo: [11:53] <Riddell> soee: something that hasn't been released yet I think
[09:54] <yofel> there are components that've optionally required that for the last 2 years or so
[09:54] <yofel> but nobody ever makes a release for it
[09:54] <soee> [11:54] <Riddell> https://wiki.qt.io/QtSpeech
[09:54] <yofel> so, /ignore IMO
[09:54] <yofel> or feel free to package a snapshot if you think it's useful
[09:56] <clivejo> seems to be for notifications, just thought it would be handy is they could be spoken!
[09:57] <soee> rather spooky :D
[09:57] <clivejo> could be useful for some people
[09:57] <soee> and is some cases retardet when it would read the same text 3 times :D 
[09:57]  * soee needs to file a bug ..
[09:57] <clivejo> its your language soee!!
[09:58] <soee> :(
[09:58] <soee> clivejo: i see F 5.22 almost ready :)
[09:58] <clivejo> maybe its like certain Iriish accents where you repeat yourself
[09:58] <clivejo> to be sure, be sure, be sure
[09:58] <soee> i asked about it on #plasma but had not response, so i better file a bug
[09:59] <clivejo> yofel: did you see my question about networkmanager-qt last night?
[10:00]  * clivejo is getting a bit sick of FW
[10:00] <clivejo> lots of merge marker left in stuff for some reason
[10:00] <clivejo> and no i386 support
[10:05] <clivejo> is there any way to put KCI into an interactive mode where it will build my packages first?
[10:06] <clivejo> I dont see the point in building packages that are going to fail :/
[10:06] <soee> that i do not know :/
[10:11] <yofel> no, and now's lunch, bbl
[10:11] <yofel> I see it in the log, just didn't read it
[10:12] <clivejo> grrrr
[10:12] <clivejo> need to grab kwallet v5.22.0-rc2 from depot 
[10:13] <clivejo> yofel: do I call the package the same ie 5.22.0-rc2 ?
[10:45] <yofel> clivejo: you call it 5.22.0a
[10:45] <clivejo> ok
[10:45] <clivejo> cant find it anyways
[10:45] <yofel> or I guess +rc2 would work, but 'a' is what we usually did
[10:45] <yofel> sucks as the scripts can't handle that
[10:46]  * yofel sees symbol failures in plasma-framework
[10:47] <yofel> I don't want to do this anymore -.-
[10:49] <clivejo> yofel: Ive just fixed those in yakkety_archive
[10:49] <yofel> they're ok to remove?
[10:50]  * yofel didn't really look at them
[10:50] <clivejo> it was merged with debian and full of merge markers
[10:50] <yofel> how did that cause missing symbols?
[10:51] <clivejo> sorry, maybe we talking about something different
[10:51] <clivejo> Im working on FW5.22
[10:51] <yofel> I'm talking about the MISSING symbols
[10:53] <clivejo> why am I getting emails about " Alessia's birthday"
[10:53] <yofel> SPAM?
[10:54] <clivejo> seems like a full blown conversation
[10:54] <clivejo>  this coming Wednesday (May 11th) will be Alessia’s birthday and she would love to bring to school some muffins to celebrate with her classmates.
[10:54] <clivejo> Is it possible? Do you prefer Alessia will bring the sweets by herself or could I come to take some pictures too?
[10:54] <clivejo> …and at what time should I come?
[10:54] <yofel> dunno
[10:54] <yofel> ah, symbols are fine, o k
[10:54] <clivejo> isnt this the girl that asked for stickers?
[10:55] <yofel> oh right, there was that
[10:55] <clivejo> Im gonna delete it
[10:55] <clivejo> Ive no interest in cupcakes!
[10:57] <clivejo> yofel: can you scan over http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.22.0_yakkety.html
[10:57] <yofel> looks green?
[10:57] <clivejo> kwayland is still messing about, and Im trying to fix it
[10:57] <clivejo> but are the orange ok to ignore
[10:59] <yofel> kfilemetadata and kwayland need fixing
[10:59] <yofel> and kactivities needs paying attention
[10:59] <yofel> the rest is ~ok
[11:00] <yofel> the manpage stuff should maybe be looked at
[11:00] <yofel> as in: where to file bugs
[11:04] <clivejo> kwayland and kfilemetadata should be fixed when the pakages build
[11:04] <soee> \o/
[11:04] <clivejo> whats wrong with kactivities?
[11:05] <clivejo> Im seeing Cmake warnings, but dunno how I can fix them
[11:06] <clivejo> but it seems to be building and installing ok
[11:15] <yofel> clivejo: it's the big warning that updating just kactivities frameworks will certainly break your activities
[11:16] <yofel> so we have yet another frameworks release that's not backwards comatible
[11:16] <yofel> I don't want to do this anymore
[11:18] <soee> thy are not ?
[11:34] <yofel> soee: well, you do remember how your activities worked when you installed frameworksk for the first time?
[11:38] <soee> yofel: i do not ;/
[11:38] <yofel> hm, might've been someone else then
[11:40] <soee> yofel: but what Frameworsk version are you talking about - the very first or current ?
[11:40] <yofel> both
[11:40] <soee> at first activities didn't work to well
[11:41] <soee> now almost all works fine except the bug with switching them
[11:41] <yofel> right, but you're on plasma 5.6 too
[11:43] <soee> yofel: but why this one is the problem [13:16] <yofel> so we have yet another frameworks release that's not backwards comatible ?
[11:44] <yofel> because technically, kde is marketing frameworks, plasma and apps as 3 distinct components, and we are packaging them like that
[11:45] <yofel> when in fact, there's cross-dependencies, side-effects and compatibility issues all over the place
[11:45] <yofel> which makes our life harder than it needs to be
[11:45]  * yofel wants the KDE SC back
[11:45] <yofel> that was EASY
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:56] <clivejo> yofel:  was me had the activities stop working
[13:00] <clivejo> kactivitymanagerd is now part of plasma, which I packaged in 5.6.3
[13:02] <clivejo> but where is kactivities-workspace
[13:33] <yofel> yay, the wiki lost my developer application
[13:33] <yofel> I think I'll move back to tanglu development. Unlike ubuntu that's actually fun
[13:36] <soee> tanglu is so outdated with their packages it seems
[13:37] <yofel> yes, because ximion is working on appstream and whatever the limba successor is, and I'm working on kubuntu
[13:37] <yofel> it wouldn't be so outdated if someone would actually be doing something
[13:38] <soee> ;)
[13:38] <mamarley> For what it is worth, I hope you stay.  Kubuntu is already short on people and I'm not sure it could survive without you.
[13:40] <yofel> I guess so, but doing stuff out of obligation is not particulary fun, esp. as I'm doing this for free. And holding the senior dev position here has mostly been a frustration loop lately
[13:41] <yofel> spending time on other things has improved my mood a bit, but any time I work here it goes down far faster then it goes up
[13:44] <mamarley> I maintain 10 Kubuntu systems for myself and various other people, and I have no idea what I would do if Kubuntu wasn't a thing anymore.  The combination of recent KDE packages with recent under-the-hood stuff and plenty of PPAs to fill in the gaps is unmatched as far as I can tell.  I have evaluated several other KDE distros and none of them even come close.
[13:45] <acheron88> Tried other KDE distos here as well, and nothing else allows me to get what I want for a system with minimum hassle 
[13:47] <soee> +1
[13:47] <acheron88> If kubuntu started lagging behind I would be stuck
[13:47] <mamarley> I mean, I would do fine with something like Arch, but that wouldn't be acceptable for the systems I maintain for other people.  I looked at Fedora, they have recent KDE packages, but either very out-of-date packages or no packages at all for other stuff I use.  I checked OpenSuSE, they have recent KDE packages but their base system is too out-of-date for some of the newer hardware I am supporting.
[13:47] <mamarley> Kubuntu is just the best KDE distro around.
[13:49] <acheron88> Yes, tried Arch and it's nicely up to date, but fragile
[13:50] <acheron88> With a kubuntu/ubuntu/debian system, I know how to bend it to my needs without breaking it
[13:50] <mamarley> yofel: What are the problems that make you sad?  Maybe there is something we can do about them.
[13:54]  * soee going for mile and cookies ... :)
[13:58] <yofel> not sure if you can. Problem is that I'll have to make up my mind what I want to do here. I'm currently holding a position without actually having all the permissions that I would need to actually do the job, which means I spent lots of time with just "paperwork".
[13:58] <yofel> But as I'm also the only experienced packager here, I'm spending most of my time explaining stuff to people, and running around attaching band-aids in a hundred different places which eats up all my time.
[13:58] <yofel> So at the end of the day, kde devs make my life hard, which is exponentiated by me missing permissions, and me spending time on stuff that I actually don't have any time for if I wanted to fix the permission issue or improve out workflow
[13:58] <yofel> I would love to continue working on 16.04 because it's still buggy as hell, but that means that I will completely ignore yakkety and any new kde work until mid-august
[13:59] <acheron88> rock and hard place then
[14:00] <mamarley> Might it be possible to use any of the work from the KDE Neon project to help out?
[14:00] <yofel> sure, we could also just sync frameworks 5.21 from debian experimental, but it looks like our packagers would much rather spend their time on working on it themselves.......
[14:01] <acheron88> not sure what the internal politics are, but I'm astounded you don't have permissions required
[14:01] <yofel> acheron88: well, I was always just a side contributor in the past, so I never applied to them. But to apply for them I would need an actual work record in the field - which I don't have because I spend time on other stuff
[14:02] <mamarley> I'm sure anyone in here would be willing to vouch for you and all the work you did on Xenial.
[14:02] <yofel> so it's a bit of a chicken and egg problem
[14:02] <acheron88> I see. 
[14:02] <mamarley> I definitely would, if my opinion counts for anything.
[14:03] <yofel> mamarley: the problem is: to appy for motu/core-dev, I would have to do motu/core-dev stuff that is URELATED to kubuntu
[14:03] <yofel> but I'm spending all my time on kubuntu to not let it fall apart, so there's no time for that
[14:03] <mamarley> That's dumb.
[14:04] <yofel> I guess I could apply for motu and at least get enough recommendations for that
[14:04] <yofel> except that I could still not be a release manager because that requires core-dev
[14:04] <yofel> but for that I would have to do stuff in 'main'
[14:04] <mamarley> It is a start, I guess.
[14:04] <acheron88> It makes sense for a ubuntu flavour that is well resourced
[14:17] <marco-parillo> soee: Thanks for the tip. I picked an XX vm, and I added staging-plasma. Software Updates running now.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> well soee, plasma 5.6.3 eventually broke my setup and made it unusable. I'm on my fallback Xenail and after akernel upgrade it's acting up now as well , not having a good day ;/
[14:39] <marco-parillo> I think I successfully upgraded to Plasma 5.6.3, but I got two errors:  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/libdiscover.mo', which is also in package libdiscovercommon 5.5.4-0ubuntu1  
[14:39] <marco-parillo> And trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.muon.repo.conf', which is also in package libdiscovercommon 5.5.4-0ubuntu1  
[14:45] <yofel> please paste the full errors, that doesn't say *what* tried to overwrite them
 clivejo this one? ppa:clivejo/xenial
 is clivejo around?
[14:55] <yofel> at least his bouncer is, he was here earlier
[14:57] <marco-parillo> This is my konsole session trying to update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16346597/ As I said, kinfocenter says I am on 5.6.3, and it looks different and seems to work fine (no immediate problems).
[14:58] <soee> marco-parillo: what language are you using in the system ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> activities working ok, marco-parillo?
[14:59] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin I am now :)
[15:01] <marco-parillo> soee: en_US
[15:05] <marco-parillo> BluesKaj: I can create a new activity, and switch to it using the hamburger. However, there are no activity templates.
[15:09] <clivejo> ko = korean?
[15:09] <clivejo> why are KDE install all lanuages alongside the packages?
 clivejo is this the one? ppa:clivejo/xenial?
[15:16] <clivejo> yes
 but it has other stuff in there
 ok...
 I'll add it and test only that one
[15:17] <BluesKaj> marco-parillo:  right , my actiities were locked and wouldn't launch the linked apps
[15:17] <clivejo> only install the networkmanager-qt package from it
[15:17] <clivejo> then disable it
[15:17] <marco-parillo> BluesKaj: I also was able to switch between activities using meta tab.
[15:18] <BluesKaj> clivejo:  I tried to , disabling didn't help 
[15:18] <clivejo> yofel: will plasma-nm need rebuilt?
[15:19] <yofel> is there a reason for it?
[15:19] <clivejo> I dont know how that stack works
 clivejo: no such package networkmanager-qt
 .....
[15:20] <yofel> and I don't have time to look at it, sorry
[15:20] <ovidiuflorin> I see it in the ppa on LP
[15:20] <ovidiuflorin> but apt refuses to locate it
[15:20] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: that package would be libkf5networkmanagerqt6
[15:21] <ovidiuflorin> muaaaaa?!
[15:21] <ovidiuflorin> restarting netowrk manager
[15:21] <ovidiuflorin> brb
[15:22] <ovidiuflorin> ok, back
[15:25] <ovidiuflorin> clivejo: it works
[15:25] <ovidiuflorin> thank you
[15:25] <ovidiuflorin> :D:D:
[15:25] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: can you open a LP bug for this
[15:25] <clivejo> we need to get it SRU
[15:26] <clivejo> there are a lot of papercuts in Xenial need attention
[15:26] <ovidiuflorin> ok, what should I say in the bug?
[15:26] <ovidiuflorin> open the bug on this package?
[15:26] <clivejo> yes
[15:26] <clivejo> networkmanager-qt
[15:26] <clivejo> say what the problem is
[15:27] <clivejo> Ive never seen the bug, so I have no idea
[15:27] <clivejo> something about connecting to VPNS
[15:27] <ovidiuflorin> to VPN
[15:27] <ovidiuflorin> any VPN
[15:27] <clivejo> yeah, well you know more about that side of it
[15:28] <clivejo> maybe link to the KDE bug, detailing the fix
[15:28] <clivejo> and Ill attact the patch
[15:29] <clivejo> Ill then try and get some of the release team guys to help me get the patch into the archive
[15:29] <clivejo> yofel: did you experience this bug too, with the VPN's?
[15:30] <yofel> vpns? no. It might solve a different issue I had though
[15:30] <clivejo> could you try it?
[15:30] <yofel> not for another 2 hours
[15:30] <clivejo> no prob
[15:30] <clivejo> I gotta go do a few things 
[15:31] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: please post the LP bug in here and ping me when you do
[15:31] <clivejo> Ill look at it later
[15:31] <ovidiuflorin> clivejo: ping
[15:31] <ovidiuflorin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1580229
[15:31] <clivejo> great, thanks :)
[15:31] <ovidiuflorin> ;)
[15:32] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: would you like to follow this path with me?
[15:32] <clivejo> ie learn how a SRU works and how to do it?
[15:32] <ovidiuflorin> sure
[15:32] <ovidiuflorin> can we use BBB?
[15:33] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: heres a bit of info for a start - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[15:33] <clivejo> and I catch up with you later
[16:06] <soee> uhm
[16:06] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-16.04.1.php
[16:08] <marco-parillo> Does anybody running Plasma 5.6.3 auto-hide the panel? I thought it was working, and I was playing with Activities, and now it looks as if the windows think it is auto-hidden, but the panel is always on top, because the bottom of the windows are hidden..
[16:09]  * sgclark runs applications
[16:10] <soee> marco-parillo: i think i had similar issue and it was due to some configuration
[16:10] <soee> test it on fresh account maybe
[16:10] <soee> sgclark: 16.04.1 
[16:10] <soee> ?
[16:12] <sgclark> sure I have already been working on 16.04.0
[16:13] <sgclark> and sorry about your frustrations yofel, I am afraid it will only get worse when my internship starts
[16:13] <soee> will it work if not all 16.04 were packed yet ?
[16:13] <sgclark> yes
[16:13] <soee> cool :)
[16:14] <yofel> depends. Less people working on packaging means my review-queue fills slower. So yes, you'll be missed - but not completely :P
[16:15] <yofel> and you concentrate on your internship. We can figure things out after that
[16:20] <soee> so the status is: we have 16.04.x apps to finish + backport, Plasma 5.6.4 to finish and backport (5.6.3 already done) and Frameworks 5.22 to backport 
[16:23] <soee> what takes longer: fixing package or waiting till it build and check if it was fine ?
[16:24] <yofel> latter
[16:24] <yofel> most of the time
[16:25] <yofel> if you build locally, ccache helps. On LP you just have to wait
[16:25] <soee> can't we have do it on some own nice VPS ?
[16:25] <yofel> unless you spend a lot of money on it, you're probably better of waiting for launchpad
[16:26] <yofel> I can provide containers for people that want it
[16:26] <yofel> but not everyone likes working over ssh
[16:26] <yofel> and then there's ssh/gpg key access issues and whatnot
[16:27] <soee> :<
[16:27] <soee> what are good specs for uch VPS so the builds go fast?
[16:28] <yofel> the launchpad builders are actually really powerful, so they beat any "cheap" VPS by far.
[16:28] <yofel> you could probably beat launchpad with some 8 cores or so. 6 might do it already
[16:29] <yofel> 4 if you repeatedly build the same thing and use ccache
[16:30] <soee> well we have here in Poland pretty cheap one but they use OpenVZ so am not sure if we can manimulate system sas we want
[16:31] <yofel> I'm testing the somewhat new x86 machines from scaleway, they offer you a 6 CPU 8 GiB machine for ~10€/m
[16:31] <soee> so 6 vcpu x 3.5GHz, 8GB ram, 60 GB sdd pcie 
[16:32] <yofel> they work reasonably well, but they're still Atom server CPUs
[16:32] <yofel> which is ok for the price...
[16:33] <soee> well i have for my one the one i mentioned and works fine :)
[16:33] <soee> also having smaller one for gitlab
[16:34] <yofel> yeah, that's a pretty good server for most purposes
[16:35] <soee> it is ~ 150.00 €/y
[16:35] <soee> but if you have 2 items you have 10% discount on each
[16:36] <soee> and  10+ 15%
[16:36] <soee> after 1 year also discount
[16:37] <yofel> sweet. I guess the only thing I don't like is OpenVZ. Yes, it does the job for most purposes, but I constantly run into situations where the system doesn't behave how I want. So I'm trying to stay away from that lately
[16:37] <soee> :) i have it for 2 months so far, i used debian on it and works fine
[16:39] <soee> last month with 1 time payment ~ 72 € they increased my mid plan to the highest i mentioned but staing on the lower one pricing :)
[16:39] <yofel> :D
[16:40] <soee> so atm. it costs me ~ 75 €/y without discounts
[16:41] <yofel> FWIW. I would really like to see if we could replace LP with our own build system for KCI. Jenkins spends >50% of the job time just waiting on the launchpad publisher (that's why the bot always prints results in batches)
[16:41] <yofel> oh, now that's cheap. lucky you ;P
[16:41] <soee> :D
[16:43] <soee> hmm, after 1 year renew has 20% discount, 2 years 25%, 3 years 30% :)
[16:44] <yofel> that makes sense as you probably won't get the hardware replaced. Otherwise you end up changing contracts to get a reasonable price again
[16:44] <soee> so for example, you have 2 vps = 10% discount for each, after 1 year you have +20% discount and if you renew for next year + 20% 
[16:44] <soee> = 50% :)
[16:44] <yofel> which is a PITA
[17:17] <marco-parillo> soee: I created a new user (for some reason creating one without a password did not work for me), and yes, the auto-hide panel does not seem to work.
[17:49] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: someone else reported that error "'gateway-ping-timeout' of type 'guint'" for something
[18:19] <yofel> clivejo: nmqt works, thanks
[18:20] <yofel> that happens when editing any network connection, so you don't need a vpn for the testcase
[18:24] <clivejo> yofel: does this diff look ok to you - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/258690910/networkmanager-qt_5.18.0-0ubuntu2_5.18.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04~ppa1.diff.gz
[18:25] <clivejo> should I drop the ppa build info from the version number before I submit it?
[18:26] <yofel> the version has to be ubuntu1.1
[18:26] <clivejo> well I need to fill in the LP bug number anys
[18:27] <yofel> no, wait
[18:27] <yofel> yes, 1.1
[18:28] <yofel> In the changelog please add "Add" before "Upstream"
[18:32] <yofel> in the patch, remove lines 3-8
[18:32] <yofel> and after you add the bug #, it should be fine
[18:33] <ovidiuflorin> clivejo: so my bug report is no good?
[18:34] <yofel> the bug is ok in itself, just needs a description rewrite for the SRU
[18:39] <yofel> hm, lp 1577923 sounds like a dup
[18:40] <yofel> ok, I didn't look that close :D
[18:41] <yofel> hm, that also complains about the guint value
[18:48] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: mind if I fold your bug into the other one?
[18:48] <ovidiuflorin> not at all
[18:48] <yofel> thanks
[18:48]  * ovidiuflorin is drooling over http://www.amazon.com/SawStop-PCS31230-TGP252-Professional-Assembly-Extension/dp/B005HPWE5W?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_g469_i5_r
[18:49]  * yofel wouldn't have a use for it, but nice indeed
[18:49] <yofel> clivejo: please change the bug in the changelog to 1569674
[18:53] <yofel> clivejo: I copied over the SRU description, updated the status and added the xenial task
[18:53] <yofel> can you give me a debdiff for yakkety so I can get that uploaded?
[18:53] <soee> clivejo: will you backport 5.22 ?
[18:53] <yofel> or you do the git tagging yourself, but that's a bit tricky
[18:55] <tazz> hello yofel long time no see. :) How are you?
[18:56] <yofel> tazz: well enough
[18:56] <yofel> long time no see indeed :)
[18:59] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.4.php
[19:02] <clivejo> soee: Im reaching for my trout!
[19:02] <clivejo> yofel: isnt the patch in 5.22?
[19:03] <yofel> clivejo: no SRU before the fix isn't in yakkety-release, so 5.22 doesn't help
[19:03] <clivejo> oh
[19:03] <yofel> or well, it would help, if you find someone to upload it
[19:03] <yofel> I can't
[19:03] <clivejo> so it becomes ubuntu2 in YY?
[19:03] <yofel> so it's faster to just upload the same fix to both
[19:03] <yofel> yes
[19:03] <clivejo> but 1.1 in a distro out the door
[19:04] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/258843923/networkmanager-qt_5.18.0-0ubuntu1_5.18.0-0ubuntu1.1.diff.gz
[19:04] <clivejo> that look better?
[19:05] <yofel> s/Closes LP: #1569674/(LP: #1569674)/
[19:05] <clivejo> grrrrr
[19:05] <yofel> and you dropped the exended description from the patch, which was fine
[19:05] <yofel> instead remove the '---'
[19:06] <yofel> *extended
[19:06] <clivejo> you said to drop lines 3-8?
[19:06] <yofel> you removed 2-7
[19:10] <clivejo> oh, that diff is different to the one I have locally
[19:10] <yofel> just pastebin a debdiff
[19:11] <clivejo> I hate LP debdiff
[19:11] <yofel> man debdiff?
[19:11] <clivejo> its comparing it to a test upload I deleted
[19:11] <yofel> yes, just do it locally...
[19:13]  * clivejo cries
[19:13] <clivejo> why does KDE Paste always password protect my pastes
[19:14] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/ploko8ggt
[19:14] <clivejo> 3rd time lucky
[19:19] <yofel> clivejo: https://paste.kde.org/pbqzrzfwd
[19:20] <clivejo> line 7, should there be a leading space?
[19:20] <yofel> doesn't need to be
[19:20] <clivejo> I removed it
[19:21] <yofel> ah hm, c&p somehow added that
[19:21] <clivejo> nano colours the diff, and it didnt look right :P
[19:23] <clivejo> yofel: is it always this difficult to make fixes?
[19:23] <clivejo> just seems so unreasonable difficult :/
[19:23] <yofel> not if you get it right on the first try
[19:24] <yofel> but the archive admins are rather pedantic, that's why I'm so nitpicky here
[19:25] <yofel> but yes, the SRU procedure is a bit verbose regarding steps and paperwork. So that regressions are as unlikely as possible
[19:26] <clivejo> but surely the original bug is a regression :/
[19:26] <yofel> yes 'regression-release', 'regression-update' counts as worse
[19:27] <clivejo> ok I uploaded to a clean PPA - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/frameworks/+packages
[19:27] <clivejo> hopefully get a decent debdiff on that
[19:27] <yofel> really, please pastebin me a debdiff yourself
[19:27] <yofel> so that you learn how to do that when someone else asks you for it
[19:28] <yofel> and I mean *without* launchpad
[19:28] <clivejo> I know how to do it, but its just should a LONG process!
[19:28] <yofel> running a command is a long process o.O?
[19:29] <clivejo> have to get the original source again
[19:29] <yofel> huh, what did you start with in the first place?
[19:29] <yofel> the original dsc should still be there, no?
[19:29] <clivejo> I dget the dsc file from xenial archive
[19:30] <yofel> right, so use that?
[19:30] <clivejo> unpack the .orig and .debian
[19:30] <clivejo> Ive deleted them since
[19:30] <yofel> well, don't do that ^^
[19:30] <yofel> and did you unpack them by hand? dpkg-source does that
[19:30] <clivejo> see I do stuff the long and hard way
[19:31] <clivejo> how would you do it?
[19:31] <yofel> let me try
[19:31] <clivejo> share your wisdom almighty yofel!
[19:31] <yofel> "pull-lp-source networkmanager-qt xenial"
[19:32] <yofel> then would come updating the package, debuild -S, then debdiff old.dsc new.dsc and I have a debdiff
[19:33] <yofel> or I would work on git, but with uscan broken I would still do pull-lp-source inside build-area so gbp works
[19:33]  * clivejo creates a new kate file
[19:33] <clivejo> Pearls_Of_Wisdom.txt
[19:33] <yofel> lol
[19:33] <clivejo> where is that script coming from?
[19:33] <clivejo> dev-tools?
[19:34] <yofel> ubuntu-dev-tools
[19:34] <clivejo> the pul-lp-source
[19:34] <yofel> there's also a pull-ppa-source in kubuntu-dev-tools, which is also handy
[19:35] <clivejo> ok, so I used that and got the source and its unpacked it for me :)
[19:35] <clivejo> like magic
[19:36] <yofel> that's the point :P
[19:36] <yofel> it really just downloads and run dpkg-source -x
[19:36] <yofel> *runs
[19:36] <clivejo> but me didnt know this!
[19:36] <clivejo> Ive been doing it all manually
[19:36] <clivejo> like an idiot!
[19:36] <yofel> well, good that we fixed that then
[19:38] <clivejo> so would you create two folders, orig and new?
[19:38] <clivejo> to keep them seperate?
[19:38] <yofel> no, I only use one unpacked source. You just have to be careful to not run debuild without changing the version
[19:39] <yofel> debdiff only needs the dsc's and unpacks the relevant versions internally again
[19:41] <clivejo> ok I but the archive source into a folder called orig
[19:41] <clivejo> run debdiff on them https://paste.kde.org/pi9hns9xu
[19:42] <clivejo> BTW: regarding symbols, I wget the buildlogs, gzip -d them and run batchpatch
[19:43] <yofel> the "Closes" is unnecessary (that's the debian syntax), but I can work with that
[19:43] <clivejo> is there a magic way?
[19:44] <yofel> hm, there was this kubuntu-update-symbols script in kubuntu-dev-tools, but I believe that only works on the primary archive
[19:44] <yofel> I usually do it the same as you
[19:45] <yofel> clivejo: I'll upload the same thing to yakkety
[19:48] <soee> yofel: hard hard it would be to have own infrastructure that builds stuff for us and than when it builds fine upload it to launchpad for final build ?
[19:49] <yofel> somewhat tricky as you need a buildsystem. debile is fairly easy to use (runs buildd.tanglu.org) and aptly a pretty nice backend (used by neon)
[19:49] <yofel> but LP does the job rather well and we get it for free
[19:50] <yofel> for the CI it *might* make sense, but there we should see first if waiting for the publisher is really necessary
[20:03] <yofel> bah, NM in yakkety seems to have lost wimax support
[20:10] <yofel> or maybe those are just lost private symbols..
[20:13] <soee> :)
[20:13] <clivejo> soee: thats not good !
[20:19] <clivejo> so how would you apply a patch?
[20:19] <clivejo> say from a KDE diff
[20:20]  * clivejo is having to find another one and copy it
[20:20] <clivejo> Jonathan spoke of a way of importing a diff using quilt
[20:20] <clivejo> but at the time it was WAY over my head
[20:23] <yofel> kubuntu-update-symbols actually works, nice
[20:23]  * yofel hasn't used that in years :D
[20:23] <clivejo> kubuntu dev tools?
[20:24] <clivejo> must look into that
[20:25] <yofel> useless for ppa's - though one could add that
[20:26] <yofel> did you ever get your gpg-agent fixed?
[20:26] <clivejo> yup
[20:27] <clivejo> had to set the path manually
[20:27] <clivejo> I dunno what changed or happened it it
[20:27] <clivejo> just stopped working one day
[20:28] <yofel> which path?
[20:28] <yofel> I had probably the same thing happen to me, and it looks like the new agent only works with gpg2
[20:28] <clivejo> GPG_AGENT_INFO was blank
[20:28] <yofel> ah, set that to the socket in .gnugp?
[20:29] <clivejo> yup
[20:29] <clivejo> export GPG_AGENT_INFO="/home/clivejo/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1"
[20:29] <yofel> need to try that
[20:29] <clivejo> the agent was starting fine
[20:29] <clivejo> but debsign wasnt connecting to it
[20:30] <yofel> right, setting DEBSIGN_PROGRAM=gpg2 fixed it for me, but gbp seems to require 'gpg' for the tag signature which is annoying
[20:30] <clivejo> so added that line to my profile and its working again
[20:31] <clivejo> and Im strengthened my key and changed my email, so some good came of it all!
[20:32] <clivejo> regarding the SRU, whats the next step?
[20:32] <yofel> works, thanks :)
[20:32] <clivejo> I think thats a bug somewhere
[20:33] <clivejo> cause it used to work fine, then all of a sudden boom
[20:33] <clivejo> drove me insane for a couple of weeks!
[20:33] <clivejo> thankfully someone here pasted me the contents of their GPG_AGENT_INFO and it clicked what was wrong
[20:35] <clivejo> even managed to get my new key working in Kmail too :)
[20:36] <yofel> it's not a bug, it's deprecated behavior. A bit strange as a bunch of things still rely on gpg v1
[20:36] <clivejo> if only I could send emails via kubuntu.org
[20:37] <clivejo> we should setup a Kolab server for kubuntu.org :P
[20:37] <yofel> clivejo: https://www.gnupg.org/faq/whats-new-in-2.1.html#autostart
[20:37] <yofel> that depends whether your provider allows emails from different sender (IIRC gmail does, mine doesn't)
[20:38] <yofel> so my kubuntu.org address is mostly just a spam magnet
[20:38] <clivejo> about birthdays and cupcakes!
[20:39] <clivejo> yofel: so this debdiff, will I attach it to the LP bug?
[20:40] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pl9kjohpt
[20:40] <yofel> if you need a sponsor, yes. Then you subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug so it ends up in the sponsorship queue (linked in #ubuntu-motu topic)
[20:40] <yofel> in this case, I already uploaded it
[20:40] <clivejo> to xenial?
[20:40] <yofel> both
[20:40] <clivejo> oh, you can do that?
[20:40] <yofel> well, yakkety a second time already..
[20:41] <yofel> I can upload what's in the packageset, I cannot approve or accept SRU's
[20:41] <yofel> you can see in #ubuntu-release that it was put into UNAPPROVED
[20:41] <clivejo> where do you upload to?
[20:42] <yofel> I already nominated the bug for xenial (you would've had to ask a bugcontrol memeber or developer to do that - in this case: me)
[20:42] <yofel> 'dput ubuntu ...'
[20:43] <yofel> what you still have to do, is fill out a working testcase, then subscribe ~ubuntu-sru to the bug
[20:43] <clivejo> Id get a permission error?
[20:43] <yofel> you would get an upload rejected mail
[20:43] <yofel> when are you applying for ~kubuntu-dev? ^^
[20:43] <yofel> well ok, maybe not just yet
[20:44] <clivejo> I dont actually have a test case, ovidiuflorin and you are my guinea pigs :P
[20:44] <soee> Scarlett left for good ?
[20:44] <yofel> you need one though
[20:44] <ovidiuflorin> oink
[20:44] <yofel> we need a state that's reproducably known broken, and a state that's reproducably known good
[20:44] <clivejo> I can see this is going to be one of my downfalls
[20:45] <yofel> for me, I got the error when editing the Manual IPv4 settings for a connection
[20:45] <yofel> you *should* be able to do that
[20:45]  * clivejo is terribly bad at writing thoughts and communicating ideas via text
[20:46] <yofel> no need for thoughts. Testcase is a step-by-step guide on how to verify that the bug is fixed
[20:46] <clivejo> test case doesnt work, apply patch, it works
[20:46] <clivejo> magic
[20:46] <yofel> like: create a manual connection, set setting FOO, see error, install package from proposed, try setting it again, it works
[20:46] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: could you write that?
[20:46] <clivejo> tell us how you found the bug
[20:47] <clivejo> 1) Turn on my computer 2) Type in my Kubuntu login 3) Make a cup of coffee
[20:48] <yofel> it doesn't need to be long, see e.g. lp 1556540 
[20:49] <clivejo> so how do you find out about these bugs?
[20:49] <yofel> I'm subscribed to our bug ML?
[20:49] <clivejo> this one was because ovidiuflorin was really upset and asked for help here
[20:49] <yofel> although I only really pay attention to the NEW messages. Too many mails
[20:50] <yofel> the original bug was on the ML too, but nobody noticed it
[20:50] <clivejo> cause reading that LP bug, its been going on a while
[20:51] <yofel> right, we would need some bug triagers that actually pay attention to it and filter it. But nobody does that, so what bugs get noticed depends on $developer_mood_of_the_day
[20:51] <yofel> or people throwing one into our face
[20:51] <clivejo> like ovidiuflorin did!
[20:52] <yofel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs is the ML
[20:52] <clivejo> how long will it be before that patch gets into the archive then?
[20:52] <yofel> dunno, kamera has been sitting in unapproved for over a week already
[20:53] <clivejo> I thought LP was supposed to make this all easier
[20:53] <yofel> it makes managing it easier, this is a human resources issue
[20:53] <clivejo> ie triagers poke the people who can fix it
[20:53] <yofel> sure, I would be fine with a triager assigning a valid bug to me
[20:53] <yofel> again, nobody does that
[20:54] <clivejo> theres a comment on there #5 I think seems to suggest they go to gnome for support :/
[20:54] <ovidiuflorin> do I still need to write the test case?
[20:54] <yofel> heh, #ubuntu-bugs has been in a near-death state for years... *sigh*
[20:55] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: yes
[20:55] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: yes please, you have first hand experience of the bug
[20:55] <yofel> clivejo: users will go for a workaround that works
[20:55] <ovidiuflorin> I'll make a notepad and ask you guys for feedback
[20:56] <yofel> meh, now I get a merge conflict in the symbols -.-
[20:58] <clivejo> symbols for what?
[20:58] <clivejo> YY?
[20:58] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: have you used open365.io?
[20:59] <yofel> yes, because I refreshed with 5.18 and you did with 5.21
[20:59] <yofel> well, I fixed it anyway
[20:59] <ovidiuflorin> clivejo: I tried it
[20:59] <clivejo> mine should be 5.22
[20:59] <clivejo> scarlett did 5.21
[20:59] <ovidiuflorin> https://notes.kde.org/p/a8eCbB2KxA
[20:59] <ovidiuflorin> clivejo: yofel ^
[21:00] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: I think 'any connection' would do it, not only VPN - or does it only happen with vpn for you?
[21:00] <ovidiuflorin> name yourself 
[21:00] <ovidiuflorin> yofel: I'm typing that now
[21:01] <yofel> ack
[21:02] <yofel> ok, built fine with yakkety, so that's done
[21:02] <clivejo> do you have to reverse the git for yakkety?
[21:02] <clivejo> or just add the ubuntu2 changelog entry?
[21:03] <yofel> I create a branch from the last tag, commit and tag that, then merge it into archive
[21:03] <ovidiuflorin> done
[21:03] <ovidiuflorin> is that good?
[21:03] <yofel> good for me, thanks
[21:06] <clivejo> copy that into the bug?
[21:06] <clivejo> Im on wired connection and never hit that bug :/
[21:07] <ovidiuflorin> in the description or in a comment?
[21:07] <clivejo> description under [testcase] tag
[21:07] <ovidiuflorin> ok
[21:11] <ovidiuflorin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674 
[21:11] <ovidiuflorin> done
[21:12] <clivejo> ah
[21:12] <clivejo> thats why activities wouldnt work!
[21:12] <clivejo> duh
[21:15] <ovidiuflorin> what?
[21:15] <yofel> someone still needs to subscribe ~ubuntu-sru, don't forget that!
[21:17] <clivejo> done
[21:18] <yofel> ok, we're done for now
[21:21] <clivejo> just wait?
[21:22] <yofel> for now yes. If there's no reaction, poke the sru folks after a couple days
[21:24]  * clivejo hugs sgclark
[21:43] <clivejo> so somewhere along the line qml-module-org-kde-activities got removed from my YY+Plasma5.6.3 and thats why activities werent working
[21:43] <clivejo> installed them and its working again
[21:44] <yofel> you might want to make sure something depends on it
[21:44] <clivejo> I think it was my fault
[21:44] <clivejo> I was doing tests!
[21:44] <clivejo> to see what packages pulled in stuff
[21:44] <nomen> hmm I just saw that post on planet kde http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2016/kubuntu-farewell-my-friends/ what does this mean?
[21:58] <sgclark> My services are no longer required. I am moving on with life.
[22:19] <clivejo> anyone using Plasma 5.6.3 having problems connecting to KDE Connect?
 Since 5.5.5 I thing I had to ping my device to get it connected
[22:22] <clivejo> I had to add it by IP
[22:22] <clivejo> but its not working
[22:22] <clivejo> wondering if its a network issue
 Strange
[22:23] <clivejo> my wifi seems to keep disconnecting at random too
[22:24] <clivejo> my laptop is on one subnet 192.168.1.* and phone is on the wifi network which is on 192.168.2.*
 With 5.6.3 and Frameworks 5.21 I had strange issue with steam when my desktop elements almost stops to response and there are often problems with windows and panel shadows.
 I think steam does something strange here, though it worked fine on 5.5
[22:27]  * clivejo think one of the routers is playing up
[22:28] <clivejo> and my VOIP gateway is on that subnet too :/
[22:29] <clivejo> hummm
 I'm out for tonight...
 My dog just had a seizure
 We're discussing...  The future...
 It's going to be a long night and day following
[22:48] <clivejo> wow
[22:48] <clivejo> what age is the dog?
 Sorry
 Almost 2
 Almost 2 years
[22:48] <clivejo> :(
[22:49] <clivejo> sorry to hear that :( 
 (Photo, 1280x856) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/aqZLQD06/file_16.jpg
 And he went blind... In the past 3 months
 He's always in panic
[22:50] <clivejo> Ive seen you with him on cam
[22:50] <clivejo> any idea what happened?
 He's my kid...
[22:51] <clivejo> a stroke or something?
[22:51] <clivejo> yeah, my pup is my kid too!
 Those f...ing breeders... Inbreeding
 That's the short story
[22:51] <clivejo> so sorry
 He also has a sensitive digestive system... Can barely eat something
 Just chicken without any spices and some sensitive dog food...
 The problem now is to keep the wife calm...
[22:54] <clivejo> my pup seems to eat everything!
 That's a normal dog
[22:54] <clivejo> hes burst every football Ive got him within about an hour!
 Clivejo will you stage 5.6.4?
 Let us get fw5.22 finished first!
 They are not?
 What is missing?
 Need tested
 I think my router is fecked
[23:19] <mamarley> clivejo: I can install FW5.22 on my VM to test.
 What happened to router?  :/
[23:26] <clivejo> dunno
[23:26] <clivejo> been acting up recently
[23:27] <clivejo> mamarley: please, if its not an install thats important to you#
[23:27] <clivejo> just to see if they install without errors
[23:27] <mamarley> It's a throwaway VM.  If it gets screwed up, I can just nuke it.
[23:27] <clivejo> @marcinsagol I have a large network to connect up the farm etc
[23:28] <clivejo> the router that provides wifi to my house is misbehaving
[23:28] <mamarley> clivejo: It installs fine by the way.  I am about to reboot and see what happens.
[23:28] <clivejo> mamarley: where from?
[23:28] <clivejo> staging-frameworks?
[23:29] <mamarley> clivejo: Yes, staging-frameworks for Yakkety.
[23:29] <mamarley> This VM is crazy fast.  I think its hard disk must be cached in RAM.
 On your PC or what is it?
[23:30] <mamarley> Yes, it is a KVM VM running on my laptop.
 I see ;)
[23:31] <mamarley> clivejo: Plasma starts and runs and dolphin, konsole, and Quassel all work. :)
[23:31] <mamarley> (I am chatting from Quassel in the VM right now. :)
 Lol that doesn't fill me with much confidence
 I'll try to install YY in VB, maybe installer has been fixed in daily.
[23:32] <mamarley> clivejo: It is just a VM, it is not equipped for my usual workflows.  If you backport it to Xenial, I can do more thorough testing. :)
 I think we can't much rest it - only frameworks.
 :p
 Apps or Plasma use them and then it is wider space for tests.
 Until we try building plasma on top and it breaks!
 And kills kittens
 Nah :)
 But you are an expert :)
 You are confusing me with someone else!
 What tablets do you guys recommend this days?
 Something to calm one down